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She didn’t kill a child she killed a lump of cells with her own drug use…bust her for drug use/possesion and go home.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

A unique human DNA profile is created at the moment of conception.  To call a human being “a clump of cells”, so it can be killed with impunity is disgusting.  She took a human life.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

So if it has a unique DNA profile it is worthy of life…?

It couldn’t breath or talk or survive on it’s own, it was a clump of cells in her stomach. She has to deal with the consequences of drug use and she needs help, imprisoning her for murder will do the world no good.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

Rob
Are you suggesting that we should put all mothers in padded rooms?
Eh?
Parenting much?

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Rob
“South Central District Judge Thomas Schneider ruled earlier that North Dakota courts have recognized viable, unborn children to be human beings in wrongful death cases.”

read much?
clump of cells may be an appropriate description of yourself, but the judge considers the unborn a human. One could have a drug overdose in the eighth month of pregnancy and kill a fetus.  My son was born in his eighth month and is quite healthy in his tenth year.  What’s the difference?  Remember Scott Peterson?  Time and time again liberals try to convince us that it isn’t a child until it’s out of the womb, an idiotic means of justifying abortion.  Or in Robs case, if it can’t talk, it isn’t human.
Genius

My apologies, apparently I’m the one who doesn’t read much.  I was responding to Rezistik, not Rob.

So if it has a unique DNA profile it is worthy of life…?

Wrong!  It’s a live human being.  It’s a unique human DNA profile, which defines an individual human being.  If it wasn’t alive, how could it have been killed?  What is the purpose of abortion, except to kill a living human being?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Life begins at conception, and from that point is a continuum of growth and development until interrupted by death, by natural or unnatural means.

This is simple, scientific fact.  All arguments to the contrary are arbitrary ruses motivated by politics and personal expediency.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Life might begin at conception, but at what point does it become human, at what point is it a person?

This case is plain fucked up,the child was at the point that I feel it was human enough, it was almost 8 months so this particular case is bad. However I also think that this child might be better off having never lived, with a drug addict mother and probably in a lower socioeconomic standing the child would have had a rough upbringing and would probably become a statistic.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

However I also think that this child might be better off having never lived, with a drug addict mother and probably in a lower socioeconomic standing the child would have had a rough upbringing and would probably become a statistic.

Aborting the child means we will never know if the child would have become a “statistic” or a prodigy wonder.

Statistically speaking the latter is more unlikely…

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

Life might begin at conception, but at what point does it become human, at what point is it a person?

It’s human from the moment of conception; it’s not a cocker spaniel.

However I also think that this child might be better off having never lived, with a drug addict mother and probably in a lower socioeconomic standing the child would have had a rough upbringing and would probably become a statistic.

Pure rationalization.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

My thoughts have been to put it bluntly, let lower socioeconomic classes abort their children so I don’t become a statistic, kill them before they can rob and kill me.

I come from the lower socioeconomic class myself, and the majority of people in my neighborhood have no hope, they live off welfare and do drugs…

So in economic terms, isn’t letting people abort their children better then allowing them to live off welfare?

Not allowing them to have abortions results in crime and more mouths for the government to feed.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

It’s human from the moment of conception; it’s not a cocker spaniel.

No but if it were a cocker spaniel it would make High School health class a helluva lot more interesting…it’d make ultrasounds more interesting too.

It isn’t a human or a person from conception it’s a lump of living cells.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

I think eugenics(which is what you appear to support) quickly fell out of fashion after its implementation by Hitler.
Just a thought…

Human cells…you do understand DNA, don’t you?  In fact, they are just as human as an adult, and adolescent or a dead body.  The DNA profile defines a unique human being, from the moment of conception.  Two human parents cannot make anything other than a human.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Its a lump of Cells, or a FETUS. Not a human.

I am hardly a proponent of eugenics, I believe a child is a sacred thing and not something to hastily decide to happen, people make mistakes and people are stupid, and some people aren’t ready to raise a child, and they shouldn’t

This has nothing to do with genetics (eugenics)and everything to do with timing.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

I am hardly a proponent of eugenics…

You described it to a “T”.  It’s a human fetus.  If you want to rationalize killing human babies, that’s on you; at least be honest about it.

...some people aren’t ready to raise a child, and they shouldn’t

Not your decision to make, is it?  There’s always adoption; there are a lot of people who want children and can’t have them.  Why be selfish?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

There are lot of people who want children, which is why we have filled adoption clinics and foster homes…

It isn’t my decision, it also isn’t my decision to make that they shouldn’t be able to make their own decisions…it is a difficult decision and is up wholly to the mother and father and not to the legislation.

Described what exactly to a “t”?? It’s a Fetus, a lump of living cells, not a person.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

It’s a human fetus, a small human being.

Here’s your advocacy of eugenics(I guess you forgot what you wrote, or are trying to deny it):

So in economic terms, isn’t letting people abort their children better then allowing them to live off welfare?

Not allowing them to have abortions results in crime and more mouths for the government to feed.

You deny the American principle of equal opportunity and the pursuit of happiness.  You would deny it to those who you regard as inferior.  Shame on you!
I think the people of each community should be allowed to vote on whether or not they want a big abortion corporation to ply its grisly trade in their community.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Again EUGENICS is about GENETICS.

I am talking about socioeconomic class and timing, I am not saying these people should never have children just that them having children now would be irresponsible.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

I am talking about socioeconomic class and timing, I am not saying these people should never have children just that them having children now would be irresponsible.

That’s eugenics, to a “T”.  It’s not just “genetics”, it’s selective breeding, in order to “improve the breed”, in order to make a, well…Master Race!  You should read up on the subject before you comment on it.  Your attitude about who should and shouldn’t have children is a part of eugenics, whether you know it or not.  The evil of it is judging people by what you think they might achieve, not respecting their right to live and make choices.  Your method requires a totalitarian govt to enforce your standards on everybody else(for their own good, of course), just like Obama wants to do.  It’s a very sick way of thinking, and about as antiAmerican as you can get.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

A RACE IS GENETIC.  I am not talking about a master race, I am talking about people who aren’t mentally, financially or physically ready and able to have kids not having them through their OWN decision to have an abortion. How am I pushing this thought on anyone? I am simply saying that we shouldn’t deny people who are willing to pay for an abortion the ability to.

Your the one controlling things by DENYING people the ability to control their own bodies. I also mention in that same quote that Iam not saying they should never have kids just that they should plan having kids, and make sure theyre ready for it, this woman clearly was not ready to take care of a child.

Perhaps you should study eugenics?

The study of factors that influence the hereditary qualities of future generations.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=Eugenics&gwp=13

–noun (used with a singular verb)
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eugenics

Eugenics is a social philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

Eugenics has to do with GENETICS, not socioeconomic class which while “inherited” can be changed…

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

I am talking about people who aren’t mentally, financially or physically ready and able to have kids not having them through their OWN decision to have an abortion.

What gives you the right to make that determination?
I’m glad you finally looked up the definition of eugenics, and it agrees with what I have already said.  Hitler was a proponent of eugenics, as was Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood.  If you read what she said about abortion, you will see that she wanted it done by poor and especially black women, to reduce the number of children who she judged would have inferior lives, and who would bring down the quality of life for others.  Hitler took it to the extreme degree of trying to breed a Master Race, including killing not only babies, but anyone who he regarded as inferior, which is what you suggest.  You want to dehumanize humans of a certain socioeconomic “class”, and you value the life of humans by calling them “a clump of cells”.
You set yourself up as a dictator in the classic sense, with control over life and death.

“various forms of intervention” - code for selective breeding.  Who decides who can be born, and who decides what forms of “intervention” will be used on those who are judged to be “inferior”?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Eugenics has to do with GENETICS…

You repeat your previous false statement.  Eugenics originated and flourished before DNA was discovered, so it was all about visible characteristics, including class and socioeconomic status, including racial characteristics.  Before DNA, genetics was all theoretical, and based on observable characteristics.  We know better now; very few people are genetically inferior, and the tyranny of evaluating human beings in that way is well-known, even if you embrace it.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Nothing gives ME the right, THEY have the right…

The mother and father decide when they should have a child…and if not then they decide to have an abortion…I don’t factor into the equation at all.

Theodore Roosevelt was also a proponent of Eugenics…

If the poor had less children they might be able to save some money and work hard and move up the socioeconomic ladder…thats the American dream in the classic sense.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

I also think that this child might be better off having never lived,

Maybe, just maybe the human would have thought differently, but then we’ll never know. And I’m glad your not God, rez.

Theodore Roosevelt was also a proponent of Eugenics… And he was wrong in doing that.

If the poor had less children they might be able to save some money and work hard and move up the socioeconomic ladder…thats the American dream in the classic sense.

Again you do your eugenics thing. “Socioeconmic ladder”?  It’s a continuum, based on life choices.  Those Americans who choose to marry and have children early in life generally reduce their earning potential; it’s a choice.  The illusion of baby-killing is that it relives women of responsibility for the choices they make.
Reproduction works; look around you.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

You repeat your previous false statement.  Eugenics originated and flourished before DNA was discovered, so it was all about visible characteristics, including class and socioeconomic status, including racial characteristics.  Before DNA, genetics was all theoretical, and based on observable characteristics.  We know better now; very few people are genetically inferior, and the tyranny of evaluating human beings in that way is well-known, even if you embrace it.

Visible characteristics such as physical fitness, and intelligence were also a part of who should live or die…but thats beside the point because I am not a favor of the state or even me (Apparently sometime in this conversation I became a dictator…I’ll be sure to post a news article on who I choose for my cabinet soon, I am favoring BIll Ayers for secretary of defense)telling people what to, I am in favor of people deciding for themselves when they should have kids.

Regardless the definition of eugenics I am not saying people shouldn’t be allowed to have kids but that they should DECIDE whether or not to continue a pregnancy.

Religion, the best method to make the masses vote against their interests.

After the decision to have sex(which produces babies, btw), the choice is made; anything after that is avoidance of responsibility.  If you don’t want the results, don’t do the deed.  At least, that’s what adults do.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

If you support the idea that lesser races, i.e. blacks, hispanics, etc. in a lower socio-economic class, living off of the government, receiving foodstamps, whatever, should be aborted because it would be better because the parents aren’t ready to have children, can’t afford them, they haven’t anything to look forward to, how do you explain the President-elect?? He fits in there. I am sure he is pretty glad his single mother who was on the government dole didn’t off him. ABORTION=MURDER. Everyday, Everyway, Always. I guess if a mother gets headaches she should just off her baby, huh? My 20 yro daughter probably should have just murdered my TWO beautiful grandchildren, she was young, just started college, broke, etc. Why should she be inconvenienced with those little blobs of cells??