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True the ruling is stupid but don’t you need a license to perform an abortiono.  What t’s the penalty for performing said abortion without a license.

 I think the lawyer should have stuck to the insanity plea but it seemed to work out for this nutjob. 

Sounds like the old fashioned science known in the middle ages as "alchemy".

Why the Guilt Roe?

As I stated before I am totally against abortion on every account, I am also for the death penalty as well, so I say hang the murderer.

Well, now we know of at least one abortion that was murder.

That reminds me of the Lacy Peterson murder case.  There was a feminist memo (NARAL I think) that got out to the public explaining their predicament.  Since all men are rapist scum, they had the opportunity to nail him for two murders, since Lacy was pregnant.  But if they do that, they acknowledge that the "tissue mass" inside her is/was a person.  They don’t dare do THAT!

It’s like every other liberal position out there: totally indefensible by logic and unable to stand on its own two feet.  Everything they believe has to come with a "that depends" clause.

Clint

The insanity defense would probably have only worked if she were still within her first trimester. That’s when 98% of abotrions are done. The lawyer could have argued that she was driven insane from finding out that she was pregnant. Being full term doesn’t constitute abortion. Doctors will only do a partial-birth abortion up to the end of the second trimester (at the very end of the second trimester for either an ectopic pregancy or one that could potentially harm the mother). So the mother shooting herself on her due date is not exercising her “right” to an abortion--as NO doctor would do an abortion that late. A D&C (dilitation and curretage) will be done as late as 24 weeks because the fetus will not survive out of the womb. Even at 24 weeks, some babies will survive, so those D&Cs will only be done in extreme circumstances that late.
So, obviously the judge who dismissed this case hadn’t read up on their biology and anatomy/physiology. Technically, a woman only has a right to an abortion until the embryo becomes a fetus and can live outside the womb with assistance.
This chick was in need of an intervention. And she can’t say that she was scared of the pain of childbirth since she’d been through it before. Adoption would have been the right way to go if she didn’t want the child and actually gave a damn about her body.

This is the ludicrous state of abortion law in this country. If the mother doesn’t want an unborn child the child itself is considered a "clump of cells" that can and should be destroyed and vacuumed out of the mother’s womb. If the mother wants a child, however, that "clump of cells" magically turns into a human being with protection under the law.

It makes absolutely no sense.

I agree.  A fetus has no rights of citizenship.

I agree.  A fetus has no rights of citizenship.

That’s not what he said. But then again, you knew that and were just continuing the argument in the dishonest way that abortion supporters do.

Unreal, how is this not murder?  How can it be murder for a male to do such a thing with the woman’s consent and then this be considered a woman’s "right"?

The thought of this actually happening is disgusting.  But the idea that this woman gets off with no punishment is offensive and ridiculous.

I agree.  A fetus has no rights of citizenship.

So MI, for you, this all comes down to location?  A viable human being inside the womb (of course you probably will stop me right there and say it’s not a human being) vs. a viable human being outside the womb?  At term the difference in location can take minutes to change, but that doesn’t matter to you?

Saraia-  Thanks.  Another female ?  here who makes sense.  Although I take the position that life begins at conception, I do agree that the Roe case clearly was talking about the embryo, not a fetus.  You have heard about "partial-birth" "abortions" that kill the baby as it is exiting the birth canal? 

MI-- using your logic, we can kill anyone who is not a citizen like the 12 million illegal aliens?

Yes, I did get a kick out of the NOW people dancing around the Lacy Peterson case.

I cant believe this… my ex wife did something like this several years ago.. she hit herself in the stomache till she had a miscarriage.. she did this while i was at work.. and told me the truth several days later.. i hid it and could not deal with it.. now its coming back to haunt me hard.. and this case is a painfull reminder
of that..

What I want to know is how a woman can’t be held accountable for killing her fetus while someone else who kills her fetus can. Is an unwanted baby somehow less human?

Ron-- Thanks for your honesty and your personal involvement with a woman who murdered your child.  More stories like this may lead to a reversal of the ROE case which was based on lies.
Melissa-- And another female?  If the truth be told, a majority of women in the USA still have the opinion that killing a child is murder.  Past time for the states to take back their X amendment rights and address this slaughter of children in America.

If the truth be told, a majority of women in the USA still have the opinion that killing a child is murder.

Nearly 100% of women probably think that killing a child is murder.  It’s the unborn fetus, however, that’s at issue in the matter of abortion.

This woman was in the 9th month of her pregnancy.  The only difference between the child she killed and the child she would have given birth to is the fact that it had not emerged from her womb yet.

So “unborn fetus” isn’t exactly an accurate term here.  But, if it allows you to justify murder in your mind...whatever gets you through the night I guess.

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I think that a majority of the people in this forum were saying that an “unborn fetus” was a human being. No one was trying to justify murder. Murder is murder even if the baby hasn’t been born yet.

Melissa-- That is exactly what I was implying.  I don’t know how much more clear I could be or the majority of women either.  Hello, Melissa, another logical person that I will remember.

I’m so excited about this site. I have never been on a site talking about abortion that wasn’t decidedly pro-choice. I think most of the comments made by you guys are really mature and thought-provoking. However some people use pretty strong language. Calling a 15-yr-old girl who was lied to and pressured and and threatened into having an abortion a ‘murderer who should be arrested’ it a little harsh. That kind of attitude is precisely why pro-lifers are classed as bigoted, ignorant and right-wing. If a girl has an abortion, then that’s it. We can’t do anything about it. Women like that are the ones who need our compassion and understanding. Rather than focus on the bad things people have done, let’s try and prevent more happening in the future.

Laura,
thats exactly my thoughts.. you cant change or judge people for what is in the past.. people are not perfect and make decisions that just plain happen.. i think more needs to go towards the supporting of people and compassion.. Im not religous.. but i think that Jesus would not picket abortion clinics.. I dont think he would judge people for that they have done.. but encourage them to do things of greatness and beauty.. ok.. maybe i just got a little heavy there.. like i said im not religious.. i belive in justice compassion and love
Rob

This woman was in the 9th month of her pregnancy. The only difference between the child she killed and the child she would have given birth to is the fact that it had not emerged from her womb yet.

This fact alone makes this situation more complex.  A fetus can survive outside the womb at “about” 27 weeks gestation at the earliest.  In MY opinion (and I know that this is going to piss a lot of people off) this is where I personally draw the line.  If a fetus CAN survive and breath on its own, and its life is taken, it is clearly murder.  The fact that a woman could point a gun and pull the trigger on a fully developed baby is something that I cannot fathom.  It seems insaine to me. 

The argument about the fetus being a “cluster of cells” in the first trimester, well that is obviously a complex issue and I’m not going to touch that with a 10 foot pole.  That can be argued both ways forever.  Perhaps clarification of the law is what is needed.  I believe that this woman should be convicted of murder.  However, this would then create the argument to the fact that if the baby is still in her womnb at 9 months then why wouldn’t an abortion at 8 weeks gestation be considered murder.  I can’t answer that question.

If she didn’t want the kid she didn’t want the kid. It wasn’t out of her yet so it’s still her body. *shrug*

If she didn’t want the baby, why didn’t she demand a c-section and put the baby up for adoption?!?  Either way required surgery of the abdomen. And the c-section would have reduced the risk to her life. There are many good people waiting to adopt that would have given that child a happy home.

Yeah lets look at the law shall we?

The law defines death in 2 ways NO brain waves and NO heartbeat a “unborn fetus” as we are calling a baby these days has BOTH by 6 weeks of preganancy

I know this is a divisive issue and I know that most of you guys (and gals) oppose abortion, but what’s the alternative. There will always be women who don’t want to have kids (at least at one point in their lives) and making it illegal for them to kill their unborn baby would just bring back loads more back-room abortions. These often result in infertility and even death (but maybe she deserves it [- for being so promiscuous]) for the mother.

In this case, the woman was clearly a nutter and in need of extensive psychiatric treatment. Nuff said.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

IT’S HEARTBREAKING TO HAVE WOMEN HURTIN THEMSELVES JUST TO GET RID OF AN UNWANTED BABY. HOWEVER I BELIVE THAT JUST HOW IT IS HER FAULT FOR NOT USING PROTECTED SEX ITS ALSO OUR FAULT FOR MAKING ABORTIONS TO EXPENSIVE. SOMETIMES IN LIFE, JUST AS HARD AS THE DECISSION MIGHT BE, ABORTIONS ARE THE ONLY SOLUTION, HOWEVER IF THEY’RE HARD TO PAY FOR, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE LOOKING FOR OTHER LESS EXPENSIVE SOLUTIONS.
I JUST WISH THERE WOULD’VE BEEN EASIER WAYS TO ABORT THESE BABIES