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Thursday, January 31, 2008

With McCain Leading The GOP Field, Liberals Dredge An Important Issue Facing His Candidacy

That’s right.  They’re talking about McCain’s use of the word “gooks” to describe the North Vietnamese who tortured him.

(02-18) 04:00 PST Greenville, S.C.—Arizona Sen. John McCain refused to apologize yesterday for his use of a racial slur to condemn the North Vietnamese prison guards who tortured and held him captive during the war.

``I hate the gooks,’’ McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. ``I will hate them as long as I live.’’

McCain, a former Navy pilot who spent five years in a Vietnamese prisoner of war camp, was questioned about the language because of a story last month in the Nation magazine reporting his continued use of the slur.

Since then, reports of McCain’s language have been circulating on Internet chat sites and e-mails among Asian Americans, many of whom find the the term offensive and inappropriate for an elected official.

McCain’s appeal to voters has been as a wartime hero and a feisty politician who speaks his mind and damns the consequences. But his comments on the eve of the key South Carolina primary show the candidate’s vaunted `’straight talk’’ in another light.

``The use of a racist slur can’t be acceptable for any national leader, regardless of his background,’’ said Diane Chin, executive director of the San Francisco-based Chinese for Affirmative Action. ``For someone running for president not to recognize the power of words is a problem.’’

Here’s a description of McCain’s time in captivity with the Vietnamese Communists:

On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying as part of a 20-plane attack against a thermal power plant in central Hanoi, a heavily defended target area that had previously been off-limits to U.S. raids.[34][35] McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile[35] while pulling up after dropping its bombs.[36] McCain fractured both arms and a leg in being hit and ejecting from his plane.[37] He nearly drowned after he parachuted into Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi.[34] After he regained consciousness, a mob gathered around him, spat on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing.[38] Others crushed his shoulder with the butt of a rifle and bayoneted him in his left foot and abdominal area; he was then transported to Hanoi’s main prison.[38] Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to put him in the hospital, deciding he would soon die anyway. They beat and interrogated him, but McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of birth.[38] Only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral did they give him medical care[38] and announce his capture. At this point, two days after McCain’s plane went down, that event and his status as a POW made the front page of The New York Times.[31]

McCain spent six weeks in a hospital, receiving marginal care, was interviewed by a French television reporter whose report was carried on CBS, and was observed by a variety of North Vietnamese, including the famous General Vo Nguyen Giap. Many of the North Vietnamese observers assumed that he must be part of America’s political-military-economic elite.[38] Now having lost 50 pounds, in a chest cast, and with his hair turned white,[34] McCain was sent to a prisoner-of-war camp in Hanoi in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week (one was Bud Day, a future Medal of Honor recipient); they nursed McCain and kept him alive.[39] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would be for two years.[38] In July 1968, McCain’s father was named Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command (CINCPAC), stationed in Honolulu and commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater.[3] McCain was immediately offered a chance to return home early:[34] the North Vietnamese wanted a mercy-showing propaganda coup for the outside world, and a message that only privilege mattered that they could use against the other POWs.[38] McCain turned down the offer of repatriation due to the Code of Conduct of “first in, first out”: he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well.[40] McCain’s refusal to be released was even remarked upon by North Vietnamese officials to U.S. envoy Averell Harriman at the ongoing Paris Peace Talks.[34]

In August 1968, a program of vigorous torture methods began on McCain, using rope bindings into painful positions and beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[38][34] Teeth and bones were broken again as was McCain’s spirit; the beginnings of a suicide attempt was stopped by guards.[34] After four days of this, McCain signed an anti-American propaganda “confession” that said he was a “black criminal” and an “air pirate”,[34] although he used stilted Communist jargon and ungrammatical language to signal the statement was forced.[41] He would later write, “I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[38] His injuries to this day have left him incapable of raising his arms above his head.[42] His captors tried to force him to sign a second statement, and this time he refused. He received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal.[43] Other American POWs were similarly tortured and maltreated in order to extract “confessions”.[38] On one occasion when McCain was physically coerced to give the names of members of his squadron, he supplied them the names of the Green Bay Packers’ offensive line.[41] On another occasion, a guard surreptitiously loosened McCain’s painful rope bindings for a night; when he later saw McCain on Christmas Day, he stood next to McCain and silently drew a cross in the dirt with his foot[44] (decades later, McCain would relate this Good Samaritan story during his presidential campaigns, as a testament to faith and humanity[45][46]). McCain refused to meet with various anti-war peace groups coming to Hanoi, such as those led by David Dellinger, Tom Hayden, and Rennie Davis, not wanting to give either them or the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory based on his connection to his father.[38]

In October 1969, treatment of McCain and the other POWs suddenly improved, after a badly beaten and weakened POW who had been released that summer disclosed to the world press the conditions to which they were being subjected.[38] In December 1969, McCain was transferred to Hoa Loa Prison, which later became famous via its POW nickname of the “Hanoi Hilton”.[38] McCain continued to refuse to see anti-war groups or journalists sympathetic to the North Vietnamese regime;[38] to one visitor who did speak with him, McCain later wrote, “I told him I had no remorse about what I did, and that I would do it over again if the same opportunity presented itself."[38] McCain and other prisoners were moved around to different camps at times, but conditions over the next several years were generally more tolerable than they had been before.[38]

Altogether McCain was held as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. The Paris Peace Accords were signed on January 27, 1973, ending direct U.S. involvement in the war, but the Operation Homecoming arrangements for POWs took longer; McCain was finally released from captivity on March 15, 1973,[47] having been a POW for almost an extra five years due to his refusal to accept the out-of-sequence repatriation offer.[48]

Given all that, if McCain wants to call them “gooks” I’m fine with it.

Comments

Ditto that. I may dislike his politics at times but I think that he’s more than earned his share of free speech.

Fiu's Rob B. on January 31, 2008 at 12:16 pm

An issue I heard last night while having some beers was that McCain might not be eligible to run becuase he was born in Panama?  I didn’t think it mattered where you were born, if your parents are American.


"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, so much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.”
- John Adams

Troy_Pineri on January 31, 2008 at 01:01 pm

What do you call them, then?  “Torture workers” or something?

My goodness, I’m one of those wacky fundamentalists who tries (not always successfully) to avoid Anglo-Saxon verbiage, but I’ll guarantee you that I could come up with worse than “gooks” to describe people who systematically tortured another human being.

Bike Bubba on January 31, 2008 at 01:25 pm

The use of a racist slur can’t be acceptable for any national leader, regardless of his background.

Ms Dianne Chin is certainly entitled to her opinion, and is free not to vote for John McCain, although I suspect that the possibility that she would vote for a Republican is, charitably, remote.

She is wrong, however, to think that McCain doesn’t “recognize the power of words.” It’s simply that McCain, in this case, doesn’t much give a shit.

And he has more than earned that right.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to question John McCain’s candidacy for the White House.  This ain’t one of them.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on January 31, 2008 at 01:36 pm
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McCain may have great reasons for hating Vietmanese people; however, he will still be the President of alot of them.  If he can’t treat them fairly than he shouldn’t be President.

Lestat on January 31, 2008 at 02:09 pm
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An issue I heard last night while having some beers was that McCain might not be eligible to run becuase he was born in Panama?  I didn’t think it mattered where you were born, if your parents are American.

It depends on the definition of Natural Born Citizen which as far as I know has never been legally defined, however I find it highly unlikely that the Supreme Court would determine that somebody who was born of two American citizens would be determined to not be a natural born citizen.  And it certainly won’t come up before this election and if McCain is elected there is no way in Hell the SC would touch a case that would remove an elected President from office.

Lestat on January 31, 2008 at 02:13 pm

I despise McCain! I will not vote for him! I would never defend him on any issue of any kind, except this one. Despite his many failures in life and his incredibly destructive liberal tendencies, he was tortured beyond a point wherein most normal, even really macho guys could possibly endure. He was tortured by gooks, my brother and many others suffered life long injuries at the hands of gooks, as did many of my fellow Marines, with many of them killed. So, not only has little Johnny McCain earned the right to call them Gooks, I seriously doubt there are very many North Vietnamese murder-torturers, you know f*^king Gooks, in America that he need represent as President. If there are any of these bastards in America, they are still f*^king Gooks and I don’t give a shit what they think! They should drop f*^king dead!

That is not very Christian of, but I was there and while I have no desire to harm any of them, it makes me mad that anyone would criticize someone having fought there for having very human emotions about them, especially someone that was tortured for many years.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on January 31, 2008 at 02:24 pm

Don’t you just love the PC liberal/left? Terrorists are ‘insurgents’. Unborn children are ‘non-sentient fetuses’. North Vietnamese tortureres can’t be called ‘gooks’.  Iraq, Iran and North Korea can’t be called the ‘Axis of Evil’. Illegal aliens are ‘undocumented immigrants’. The list is endless.

Maybe its time for some Straight Talk!


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets on January 31, 2008 at 02:40 pm

Lestat - McCain may have great reasons for hating Vietmanese people; however, he will still be the President of alot of them.

I wasn’t aware that McCain was running to be President of Vietnam.

It depends on the definition of Natural Born Citizen which as far as I know has never been legally defined

It was defined more than 200 years ago by the First Congress.

“The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States.”

likwidshoe on February 2, 2008 at 12:26 am
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An inteligent man need not use the nifty head turning word Like__F K_ or G_00_ks.  But you went ahead and did it anyway.  Feel proud boy. We call Him the Embalmer. We gonna get Ya’ osama.  Feel proud of your selves’ while you bathe in trailor park fungus.  You are incapable of exiting the paths of the new consumer techno geeks or the divine ultragenocidal reasearchers such as Mmmoo ahh.
Tootle ooohhh fellow Americans. May the white horse take you to that trailor park in the sky.  By the way he could have come up with a niftier word to describe Asians .. Asian maybe or N. Vietnameese

@1stproGermanNOWproIsraeli_makeupyrmind. on March 7, 2008 at 03:40 pm

gooks, like JAPS or NAZIs or some other word describes those people who we were at war with.  In all three, they are no longer.  He, in my opinion was referring to those monsters who tortured him.  Same can and will be said about the JAPS in WW II who did not treat our captured men under the rules of war by the Geneva Convention, and that is speaking mildly.  Talk to a death march survivor sometime.  Read Flyboys by James Bradley.  They ate our men.
At least the NAZIs for the most part followed the rules of war.  They fought honorable and many do not care to discriminate but the SS/SA were not part of the regular German Army, the Wehrmacht.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on March 7, 2008 at 03:57 pm
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