Wireless Welfare: Poor People In Colorado To Get Taxpayer Subsidized Cell Phones

Sure. Why expect these people to go out and work and become prosperous enough to buy their own gadgets when we could just give them phones funded by our bankrupt government?

Thousands of low-income Coloradans reliant on public assistance could get a free cellphone under a plan before the state Public Utilities Commission.
If approved, the plan by TracFone Wireless in Miami would make Colorado the 17th state it has settled into with free cell service for the indigent, a form of wireless welfare that proponents say taps into one of the last untapped markets for the telecom technology.

“Taps into one of the last untapped markets for the telecom technology.” Who sees welfare cases who can’t afford phones as a market? Why, rent-seeking telecoms who want some of your tax dollars, of course!

“Our hope is to have it up and running by September,” said Jose Fuentes, TracFone’s director of government relations. “Historically, it’s a very underutilized service, and we’d like that to change.”
The program is a twist on Lifeline, a long-standing federal subsidy that provides low-income families with a break on their land-line telephone bill in order to ensure emergency 911 service.
In Colorado, it’s called LITAP — the Low Income Telephone Assistance Program — and is available to anyone receiving aid from any of six welfare funds: Colorado Works Assistance (TANF), Supplemental Security Income, LEAP, Aid to Needy Disabled, the Old Age Pension Fund and Aid to the Blind.
Statewide, about 65 percent of those eligible participated in Lifeline last year.
The money — more than $800 million in subsidies were paid last year for low-income phone service across the country — comes from the Universal Service Fund, a tax on all telephone lines. Of that amount, Coloradans received nearly $3.2 million in low-income subsidies.

Our federal government is bankrupt. We are trillions of dollars in debt and sinking faster every day as our political leaders spend, spend, spend.
And now we’re subsidizing cell phones for the poor.
What really bothers me is that a cell phone isn’t a necessity. It’s a luxury. It’s something people who are successful enough to afford it buy for themselves. If we take nice things like cell phones which are incentives to work for a living so that you can afford them and we simply give them to people who don’t work for a living then what impetus do they have to get a job?
That’s the problem with the welfare state. I won’t say that it’s fun or even all that easy to live on the government dole, but that doesn’t mean we should be making it more fun or easier. It shouldn’t be pleasant at all to live on the backs of other people’s productivity. It should be hard so that there is a reason to become independent.

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  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Glue jammed up the shift key on your keyboard Sparkless?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    So since all fatness is caused by McDonalds we can assume that everyone in Detroit is thin?

  • Rezistik

    Why do you always sound so bitter? I sometimes really agree with you and then you just sound like a bitter old douche bag of a man and then I find myself disagreeing.

    This isn’t one of the the things I agree with you though. Cell phones help a person get a job. As it is most places require you to submit an application online, even the ones that do allow paper applications require you to have a phone to be reached by.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    If only someone would have told Einstein, Tesla and Edison to stop trying so hard to reinvent the wheel.

    Pretty sure those fellows weren’t reinventing the wheel! But, you keep showing off your public school education and maybe someday you’ll get all the respect you deserve!

  • bill-tb

    How do homeless people charge their phones? Do they come with lifetime batteries?

    Any cell phone, activated or not will dial 911 if the battery is charged. I gave one to an elderly aunt, cost $10 at Walmart so she could always carry it around and if it fell and dropped no loss. Yes even the Tracfones that are not activated will work. Any old cell phone will do. I actually gave her three, just in case, she still has them … Got her to even wear one on a leash when out in the yard.

    Local thrift store sells used cells for just that purpose $1-3 each. Plenty at the flea markets.

    This is just another brain dead liberal feel good nothing.

  • Rezistik

    Rez,

    By the way, I’m not bitter. I just don’t think someone else’s poverty is a mortgage upon my success.

    Ya sound bitter, ya really do.

    Their are alternatives to cell phones. Like home phones. But if you’re lacking in a home it might be hard to use one of those.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Funny I could swear that the homeless shelter has a phone.

    A cell phone is a luxury, not a necessity.

    The story says you have to be on welfare to get the phone. There’s no mention of a requirement (however bogus your point is) to be looking for a job.

    And with free money, subsidized rent, food stamps, WIC, SCHIP, and now a free cell phone why would someone go out there and get a job that likely will pay less than the benefits you lose. (Not to mention the free college that many welfare tramps get and probably lots of other programs that I’m missing.)

    Welfare is a trap. You get ‘em on there and screw them up for life in many cases.

    Some people need to be motivated to work. Giving them everything is the last thing we should be doing.

  • Rezistik

    How do homeless people charge their phones? Do they come with lifetime batteries?

    We get a lot of homeless people in my McDonalds and they all charge their phones on our outlets. I assume other restaurants are more of the same.

    Any cell phone, activated or not will dial 911 if the battery is charged. I gave one to an elderly aunt, cost $10 at Walmart so she could always carry it around and if it fell and dropped no loss. Yes even the Tracfones that are not activated will work. Any old cell phone will do. I actually gave her three, just in case, she still has them … Got her to even wear one on a leash when out in the yard.

    Right, any phone that is charged can dial 911, but this is more of an effort to help these people get employed.

    Local thrift store sells used cells for just that purpose $1-3 each. Plenty at the flea markets.

    We should refer the government to buy those phones. It sounds like a good idea to me.

    This is just another brain dead liberal feel good nothing.

    Not really, this is a move to reduce unemployment and homelessness. One of the few ones that makes actual sense.

  • Rezistik

    Rob
    Okay. So you don’t support subsidizing big oil’s taxes. Great. I never see you post on that. You only like to pick on the poor people, bro. That’s f*cking tacky – seriously. Doesn’t the 7% subsidy of big oil’s taxes seem a bit more insideous to you, and a bit more expensive? But no, you’d rather pick on the poor people and the homeless. I’ve seen that photo of the bum taking the picture of Michelle used by you out of context at least 5 times now.

    No class at all, apparently.

    He makes a good point Rob, I’ve never seen you complain about the welfare and socialism for the rich. Only when it effects people who haven’t been successful. When the government helps people who were successful but have hit a bad moment you don’t seem to take notice or care. Nor do you post about scandals from the conservative side until you feel you can dispel them.

  • SigFan

    I’m sure they’re planning on paying for this with the tax they want to collect from the people who get cell phones supplied to them by their employers. I wonder when they’ll start pitching the cell phone amendment to the Bill of Rights? Stupidity 24/7 and no end in sight.

  • Mark

    I’m getting fucking sick and tired of this lousy government constantly taking from those that do, and giving to those that wont. Cell phones for the homeless! Ridiculous! Let’s give them a car also, they have to get to their job interviews, right.

    They’ve got land lines in the homeless shelters don’t they.

    As far as the homeless charging their phones at Mickyd’s says a lot about the laziness of many in this country. I’m sure it keeps honest tax paying citizens away from your McDonalds.

  • Rezistik

    As far as the homeless charging their phones at Mickyd’s says a lot about the laziness of many in this country. I’m sure it keeps honest tax paying citizens away from your McDonalds.

    No it doesn’t actually. It’s a McDonalds if you can’t handle seeing the occasional bum…then you shouldn’t live in the Metro Detroit area. And you certainly shouldn’t be going to places with cheap food. Not to mention I don’t quite understand why homeless people going to a restaurant would drive you away from there. They are nice people who have hit a snag.

  • Rezistik

    Really? You’ve never heard me talk about Wal-Mart’s coporate rent-seeking? Or GE’s corporate rent-seeking? Or GM and Chrysler?

    I guess it’s easy to just shape reality around whatever poitn you’re trying to make.

    When it comes to GM and Chrysler you are only really complaining about the unions.

  • Rezistik

    Rob, try to remember you’re having an argument with someone who has admitted that he’s a youth. As in, barely working age. So that he talks like he’s reading from a pamphlet that came with something at Hot Topic should not surprise you. He’s got the same liberal self-righteousness my little sister had when she was that age.

    Yeah Rob he barely has hair on his nuts forget his opinions.

    No, you don’t sound bitter and am I not the person who’d tell you straight given I’ll ream you on drug legalization and so on?

    All the better to take pictures of the first lady dishing you up a heaping helping of gourmet, tax-payer funded food.

    Bitter:
    “7. resentful or cynical: bitter words.

    You’re right, the poverty of others does not in you or me create any logical compulsion or duty to give to anyone else.

    Further, the conscience and the emotional ability of seeing the self in the other which become compassion, do not require those with to give foolishly and we should not allow ourselves to be fooled or bullied into same by those who have a most naive view of compassion and charity and utterly wrongheaded definitions of them without regard to the psychological and emotional well being of those subject to them.

    I don’t feel any duty to give so they may be successful, I see my own success affected by others. As a business man I am sure you could see the same sentiment. The more people who are unemployed or in debt the less money there is to be collected by your business. Any attempt to help people get work is usually a good thing. This isn’t welfare statism that continues poverty necessarily this is a chance to allow potentially qualified people to acquire employment. Thus giving them money to spend on things and keeping money in the economy.

    If their argument is that the poor should have mobile 911 access, let that argument be made to the people, let them decide if they believe this or not, let they and their elected representatives together agree and figure out how to make that and only that happen. A simple 911 call device would cost $5US and no more. They balk at this and demand more. More which they cannot convince the majority of nor make a proper case, but only make irrelevant non-comparisons with true ethical and moral situations of history such as their constant refrain regarding the majority once being in favor of slavery and segregation but the political class having to override the majority.

    It shouldn’t cost more than a few dollars to create a cell phone capable of voice only calls. That is all that is needed, this program isn’t supposed to fund iPhones for the homeless.

    We can debate the ethics and morals there and make an excellent case built on basic foundations much as Epictetus, Kant, Rand or others would, involving basic notions and definitions and observations of moral underpinnings in rationality and logic, but no such thing can be made for giving cell phones to the alleged poor.

    The alleged poor? Of course, as a man with a great income I prefer homelessness because I want others to take care of me. I’m sure most homeless people think like that.

    That we for one moment think to is the essence of the reason Rez speaks the way he does. He wants to feel like he got one over on you and not actually make any rational intellectual point and to do that, you need to take him seriously. Don’t.

    Of course, I only want to feel validated. You see through my mask Suite, you detective you. I don’t want to debate, I just need a surrogate internet daddy to teach me right and wrong and give me attention.

  • http://forums.kikizo.com/ Eddie_the_Hated

    That we for one moment think to is the essence of the reason Rez speaks the way he does. He wants to feel like he got one over on you and not actually make any rational intellectual point and to do that, you need to take him seriously. Don’t.

    He uh… he could just be saying what’s on his mind. I know the youth can be pretty scary sometimes, but we don’t all have sinister motives.

    Don’t get me wrong. I disagree with Rez, but you bringing age to the table every time you feel someone younger than you is wrong isn’t productive.

    Or logical.

  • http://verizon.com/ ND in MD

    “We subsuduze 7% of big oil’s taxes”

    When it comes to “Big Oil”, why so bitter? I don’t know for sure how much, but I suspect “Big Oil” pays millions, if not billons, of dollars in federal income taxes. In addition to the federal government, I suspects they pays millions more in state and local income taxes. “Big Oil” also probably pays a lot of money to city, county and local governments in the form of property taxes on their plants, refineries, facilities, pipelines, etc. They provide jobs to a lot of people who use their income to buy homes, educate their children, save for retirement and support themselves. In addition, their employees pay all sorts of income and property taxes to all levels of government. And this does not even begin to include all the spin-off and collateral jobs and economic activities “Big Oil” creates. Maybe the problem for some of us is that we pay, pay, pay and have to pay for what we get, whiles others get it handed to them. Call me bitter, call me a hate-monger, call me mean spirited, but maybe, just maybe, it is time for some of th epeople who are always riding in the wagon to get out and help pull.

  • pparets

    Eddie…

    bringing age to the table every time you feel someone younger than you is wrong isn’t productive.
    Or logical.

    Amen!!

    “Out of the mouths of babes…”
    The Bard

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Cell phones help a person get a job.

    It’s almost a requirement in the drug trade.

    More seriously I’ve done hiring in my career and I can assure you that leaving a message is a viable option for employers.

    I also doubt they’d mind hiring someone who said “I don’t have a cell phone because I can’t afford it.”

  • Rezistik

    More seriously I’ve done hiring in my career and I can assure you that leaving a message is a viable option for employers.

    Right and homeless people who manage to find a friend willing to take a message for them are lucky. Unfortunately a lot of homeless people are without contacts that aren’t also homeless.

    I also doubt they’d mind hiring someone who said “I don’t have a cell phone because I can’t afford it.”

    The jobs these people are getting are minimum wage low skilled jobs. Like my job. You put an application in online most likely and a phone is a requirement. There isn’t an option for too poor to afford a means to communicate.

  • Rezistik

    I consider Rez’s age when I read his comments. I don’t use his age to dismiss his comments, but I do think that growing up and getting a job and paying some taxes sometimes makes people grow up and see the world as it is.

    The world as it is? I’ve seen the world as it is. It’s a cut throat place, and I expect people to work to screw another person over without any thought to advance themselves. I’ve seen people throw wrenches in anothers plans simply because they didn’t have any themselves. I lean libertarian but I could never call myself conservative. Because despite all the cut throat attitudes I’ve seen, and all the laziness, and all the ineffective government spending, I’m still not bitter. I’m still not as angry as a lot of conservatives. Not to mention I believe in a right to choices both good and bad as well as the right to marriage. Two things no con would dare believe in.

  • Rezistik

    Don’t get me wrong. I disagree with Rez, but you bringing age to the table every time you feel someone younger than you is wrong isn’t productive.

    Shouldn’t you be out putting in work applications? For always complaining about your lack of funds here you seem to have a lot of extra time to post. When was the last time you put in an application??

  • Rezistik

    I’d have more hope if he’d stop using that awful avatar reminiscent of that bullshit merchant Hunter S. Thompson. How pretentious the young can be.

    Perhaps one of the few heroes of libertarianism and you’d dislike him? At least he wasn’t a bitch like Rand. And I do mean that, sure she had decent ideas but she could be such a bitch.

    *Simplistic dismissiveness with remarks like “douchebag” and assumptive claims of bitterness are a hallmark of overly self-satisfied “smart” young people lacking experience. Rez has admitted to the youth and demonstrated the rest.

    Hell I’ll admit to being a smart young person. I’ll even admit to knowing nothing. That is why I often phrase my sentences in a way that they are more suggestions of possibilities then definitive statements. Your world is far too black and white and all or nothing.

    There is no moral duty to charity without regard to the constituent parts and specificity of what that being reckoned to be charity actually is. Clearly, cell phones are an extravagance and not a staple at this point in time in modern human civilization. There is little enough and a hard enough time of enunciating and heading off all counter arguments for those justifications for the staples being subsidized and to what extent and for how long. None can be effectively made for extravagances.

    This isn’t about morals or right and wrong. This is about securing better economic futures. We can’t live in a world of the cut throat. We can not thrive when we continually kick down others. If we want others to purchase things from our stores then we must give them the opportunity to succeed. It is a very long and perilous road from homelessness to employment and success. We have very public success stories but those success stories are indeed rare, they shadow over the many people who can not move up.

    The truth is I don’t care about any of these peoples quality of living. I care about how much they can spend at my business and how much money they can bring me. They bring me nothing if they can not find employment because they don’t have a method of being reached for an interview.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Yeah Rob he barely has hair on his nuts forget his opinions.

    I’ve never seen a teen who felt that working at McDonalds made them an expert on business. Even for a youth you have amazing hubris, and arrogance. Assembling sandwiches doesn’t give any life lessons (other than perhaps that working at McDonalds sucks), yet you lecture us all about capitalism and work place this and that.

    And you never know what you’re talking about. That’s not bad, in and of itself, but that you really believe that no one knows better than you, despite your complete lack of life and work experience.

  • Rezistik

    Funny I could swear that the homeless shelter has a phone.

    Because as an employer the first thing I want to hear when I call a person in for an interview is “XXX Homeless Shelter, how can I help you today?”

    A cell phone is a luxury, not a necessity.

    Agreed, if only these people had a home to have a home phone in.

    The story says you have to be on welfare to get the phone. There’s no mention of a requirement (however bogus your point is) to be looking for a job.

    And with free money, subsidized rent, food stamps, WIC, SCHIP, and now a free cell phone why would someone go out there and get a job that likely will pay less than the benefits you lose. (Not to mention the free college that many welfare tramps get and probably lots of other programs that I’m missing.)

    Welfare is a trap. You get ‘em on there and screw them up for life in many cases.

    So add that, I am all for making job searching a requirement. In fact I believe anyone on welfare should be forced to be registered with a job agency and if they can not find a job to stick with for a decent enough amount of time, say 2 months then they should be removed from the welfare system. After 2 months of employment they should be senior enough to make enough money to support themselves and be removed off of welfare.

    Some people need to be motivated to work. Giving them everything is the last thing we should be doing.

    Hardly giving them everything. Welfare doesn’t allow a person to live at any level. It can only supplement an existence.

  • Rezistik

    I’ve never seen a teen who felt that working at McDonalds made them an expert on business.

    It isn’t working at McDonalds that fuels my ego nor my supposed expertise. I’ve gone over my stores numbers as well as am helping pioneer the first apartment complex to be powered through solar panels.

    Even for a youth you have amazing hubris, and arrogance. Assembling sandwiches doesn’t give any life lessons

    I’ve been told I have a bit of an Ego. I can’t say its undeserved. I deal with the people, I’m a service person not a burger flipper.

    (other than perhaps that working at McDonalds sucks),

    You got me on that one, it is a terrible job. People are so utterly stupid.

    yet you lecture us all about capitalism and work place this and that.

    I don’t lecture I make statements on common sense.

    And you never know what you’re talking about. That’s not bad, in and of itself, but that you really believe that no one knows better than you, despite your complete lack of life and work experience.

    I’ve had plenty of life experience. More than most and less than some. Enough that I’d rather not acquire anymore.

  • Brent

    I sometimes really agree with you and then you just sound like a bitter old douche bag of a man and then I find myself disagreeing.

    Rez, this means you have emotional problems or potentially a mental illness, since your logical reasoning skills (and sanity?) so easily escape you.

  • robert108

    I don’t lecture I make statements on common sense.

    Your statements on economics display abysmal ignorance.
    You have yet to learn that Marxism is based on total falsehoods about reality.

  • robert108

    Why do you always sound so bitter? I sometimes really agree with you and then you just sound like a bitter old douche bag of a man and then I find myself disagreeing.

    Thanks for admitting that your judgments are made on an emotional basis, rather than a factual one.

  • Rezistik

    Your statements on economics display abysmal ignorance.
    You have yet to learn that Marxism is based on total falsehoods about reality.

    You have yet to learn that I don’t support Marxism. It isn’t based on falsehoods of reality but falsehoods of human spirit. In this reality is stands as a possibility to work, it is the human spirit that stops Marxist philosophy from thriving and becoming the norm. And all the better, I enjoy the idea of people competing and new goods and services being created.

  • robert108

    You have yet to learn that I don’t support Marxism.

    You have made multiple statements of a Marxist nature, but maybe you are too ignorant to realize it.
    Marxism fails on the grounds of being devoid of economic reality. For instance, his “Labor Theory of Value” is simply false, a product of an overheated intellectual’s dishonest imagination. It cannot work, but your ignorant statement that the failure is in the human spirit, and not Marx’s ignorance, is a Marxist position, in and of itself.
    His “fixed pie” concept of wealth is wrong, as is his refusal to concede the power of both private capital and of management to be vital parts of the creation of wealth.

    Until you understand that Marx is completely wrong, and the reasons why he is completely wrong, you will continue to be economically ignorant.

  • Rezistik

    You have made multiple statements of a Marxist nature, but maybe you are too ignorant to realize it.
    Marxism fails on the grounds of being devoid of economic reality. For instance, his “Labor Theory of Value” is simply false, a product of an overheated intellectual’s dishonest imagination. It cannot work, but your ignorant statement that the failure is in the human spirit, and not Marx’s ignorance, is a Marxist position, in and of itself.
    His “fixed pie” concept of wealth is wrong, as is his refusal to concede the power of both private capital and of management to be vital parts of the creation of wealth.

    Until you understand that Marx is completely wrong, and the reasons why he is completely wrong, you will continue to be economically ignorant.

    I really don’t have time to argue with a troll.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Rezistik – It’s a McDonalds if you can’t handle seeing the occasional bum…then you shouldn’t live in the Metro Detroit area.

    But don’t worry as there are NO McDONALD’S RESTAURANTS IN THE CITY OF DETROIT!

    Why, you may ask? Because they follow the stupid economic and tax policies that Rezistik supports. Detroit is so ass-backwards to wealth and wealth creation that there are NO McDonald’s, Burger Kings, Wendy’s, Taco Bells, or any of the other big name fast food places in the entire city! It’s not like those places aren’t popular in America, as just north of Detroit (a scant couple of miles), there are more fast food places per population numbers than anywhere else in the country.

    There are also no supermarkets in the entire city!

    Because “liberals care” about the poor. Just look at Detroit! They created a whole city of them.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    So since all fatness is caused by McDonalds we can assume that everyone in Detroit is thin?

    That’s the crack cocaine.

    You see, it’s such a liberal paradise in Detroit that many of the wards of the state are toking their lives up in smoke.

    At least the “liberals care”, eh? That’s something. Nevermind the poverty, the lack of choices, the sky-high school bills for 60+% that don’t even graduate high school, the drugs, the pimps and pushers and murderers roaming the streets, etc. It’s a Democrat city and that means that all is well! Nevermind the thousand plus people pouring out of the city every single month. Nevermind that the President, Barack Obama, has the same “solutions” for the country. Nevermind all of that, because Detroit is a success!

    And if you don’t agree? Well then,….you’re just not “reality based” if you don’t agree that Detroit has the answers.

    Seriously, if Rezistik wants to see bitterness, then he needs to go the fuck down to Detroit and witness all of the human waste of talent and wealth that his stupid ideology brings.

  • Rezistik

    But don’t worry as there are NO McDONALD’S RESTAURANTS IN THE CITY OF DETROIT!

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    Google says otherwise. Not to mention I said the Metro Detroit Area. Also known as the suburbs and cities surrounding Detroit.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Google says otherwise.

    Holy shit, they actually have some!

    Now where are the supermarkets?

    Not to mention I said the Metro Detroit Area.

    Yeah, you fit in with the area’s 4.3 million residents in the city of Westland. I remember.

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  • Rezistik

    Not that I expect you to listen. Do youths ever listen or do they insist on reinventing the wheel every time?

    If only someone would have told Einstein, Tesla and Edison to stop trying so hard to reinvent the wheel. If only this would have been told to the others who have tried, to the Washington’s and Lincoln’s.

    I’d rather a slim slim chance of changing the wheel and world forever in place of accepting what this world has given us.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    You have yet to learn that I don’t support Marxism. It isn’t based on falsehoods of reality but falsehoods of human spirit. In this reality is stands as a possibility to work, it is the human spirit that stops Marxist philosophy from thriving and becoming the norm. And all the better, I enjoy the idea of people competing and new goods and services being created.

    For once I actually agree with Robert. You have made a lot of overly Marxist statements, and your hatred of religion supports this too.

    90% of the time when you talk on economic issues, it’s complete nonsense.

    I make statements on common sense.

    If by “common sense”, you mean complete ignorance and wishful thinking, then yes. Your comments display both your astounding (and completely undeserved) ego, and the stupidity of youth. Anyone who says, in their teens, “I don’t need more life experience” is a fool.

    You need to grow up Rez.

  • Jute

    Going back to the original article here, now even Virgin Mobile is become a low-class welfare phone! I can’t believe they’d get themselves associated with this low-level program. Yeah! sorry for the poor, but VIRGIN MOBILE! I’ve been w/ them for a long time but am starting to rethink just how hip they are. Might as well go with AT&T and get myself an Iphone! How’s this for a welfare bonus.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    We subsuduze 7% of big oil’s taxes. They ain’t even poor and you support that. Ha.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    you said nothing about the copius examples i provided of your hypocrisy. shall we take that as tacit admission?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Rob
    Okay. So you don’t support subsidizing big oil’s taxes. Great. I never see you post on that. You only like to pick on the poor people, bro. That’s f*cking tacky – seriously. Doesn’t the 7% subsidy of big oil’s taxes seem a bit more insideous to you, and a bit more expensive? But no, you’d rather pick on the poor people and the homeless. I’ve seen that photo of the bum taking the picture of Michelle used by you out of context at least 5 times now.

    No class at all, apparently.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    He makes a good point Rob, I’ve never seen you complain about the welfare and socialism for the rich.

    Really? You’ve never heard me talk about Wal-Mart’s coporate rent-seeking? Or GE’s corporate rent-seeking? Or GM and Chrysler?

    I guess it’s easy to just shape reality around whatever poitn you’re trying to make.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Rob, try to remember you’re having an argument with someone who has admitted that he’s a youth. As in, barely working age. So that he talks like he’s reading from a pamphlet that came with something at Hot Topic should not surprise you. He’s got the same liberal self-righteousness my little sister had when she was that age.

    No, you don’t sound bitter and am I not the person who’d tell you straight given I’ll ream you on drug legalization and so on?

    You’re right, the poverty of others does not in you or me create any logical compulsion or duty to give to anyone else.

    Further, the conscience and the emotional ability of seeing the self in the other which become compassion, do not require those with to give foolishly and we should not allow ourselves to be fooled or bullied into same by those who have a most naive view of compassion and charity and utterly wrongheaded definitions of them without regard to the psychological and emotional well being of those subject to them.

    If their argument is that the poor should have mobile 911 access, let that argument be made to the people, let them decide if they believe this or not, let they and their elected representatives together agree and figure out how to make that and only that happen. A simple 911 call device would cost $5US and no more. They balk at this and demand more. More which they cannot convince the majority of nor make a proper case, but only make irrelevant non-comparisons with true ethical and moral situations of history such as their constant refrain regarding the majority once being in favor of slavery and segregation but the political class having to override the majority.

    We can debate the ethics and morals there and make an excellent case built on basic foundations much as Epictetus, Kant, Rand or others would, involving basic notions and definitions and observations of moral underpinnings in rationality and logic, but no such thing can be made for giving cell phones to the alleged poor.

    That we for one moment think to is the essence of the reason Rez speaks the way he does. He wants to feel like he got one over on you and not actually make any rational intellectual point and to do that, you need to take him seriously. Don’t.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    I’d have more hope if he’d stop using that awful avatar reminiscent of that bullshit merchant Hunter S. Thompson. How pretentious the young can be.

    Eddie:

    He uh… he could just be saying what’s on his mind. I know the youth can be pretty scary sometimes, but we don’t all have sinister motives.

    Don’t get me wrong. I disagree with Rez, but you bringing age to the table every time you feel someone younger than you is wrong isn’t productive.

    Or logical.

    I don’t find it scary nor can my statements regarding your age and his be regarded as a product of fear by any but the self-satisfied and dismissively smug, which is a tendency of the young with too much intellectual potential and too little real world experience. Fail one.

    I don’t bring it to the table every time either. Fail two.

    It was never stated or implied that it was by itself the only reason, hence logic has nothing to do with in the way you imply, but experience teaches those who pay attention and that experience in concert with that which Rez says and how says “teenybopper gotten ahead of himself”* to me and experience being inseparable from our cognition, bringing it to bear upon a situation is entirely logical especially when it is purposeful towards teaching.

    That which is to be taught is that which Rob, despite his youth relative to mine, has well taught him which is that the losses or winnings of others are theirs and not his and in no way create in him or others a duty of any kind to rectify or otherwise intervene.

    The entire basis of charity is the notion of the golden rule, so well enunciated not as do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but do nothing to others that you would not have them do to you. That is, do no harm if you would find it a harm to you. That one should do anything that is not a harm is left entirely as an unstated implication to be discovered by the subject’s conscience and therefore is a matter of free will choice as to whether they do or not.

    There is no moral duty to charity without regard to the constituent parts and specificity of what that being reckoned to be charity actually is. Clearly, cell phones are an extravagance and not a staple at this point in time in modern human civilization. There is little enough and a hard enough time of enunciating and heading off all counter arguments for those justifications for the staples being subsidized and to what extent and for how long. None can be effectively made for extravagances.

    *Simplistic dismissiveness with remarks like “douchebag” and assumptive claims of bitterness are a hallmark of overly self-satisfied “smart” young people lacking experience. Rez has admitted to the youth and demonstrated the rest.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Yeah. I’m a party line hack…who routinely criticizes Republicans!

    Maybe, Sparkie, the problem is you sniff too much glue.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Stay classy Rob.

    You will sit around and defend Bushie when he pisses billions of dollars into holes in the sands of the Iraqi desert.

    But god forbid we subsidize something like phones for actual American citizens, something one needs if they are doing, say, job interviews, training, and the lot. We can put Israel on the dole, the Saudi terror kingpins, etc. No Problem! But god forbid we help American citizens get back on their feet to become contributing members of our country once again. You say, “They are lazy or dumb. They deserve it.” 20,000 families are newly homeless in NYC this summer. Families full of proud and hardworking people who simply cannot find jobs. They are not nec. lazy or dumb, just hard on luck in a giant causal system (economy) that was specificly managed in such a manner as to FUCK them for the last decade. Rob is just a classist. He’s not really against handouts, he just hates poor members of his own country. Subsidizing arms for billionare terror kingpins is just fine. Right Rob? Tell us how it is.

    You site a list of examples. So you complain about WalMart or GM or Chrysler and their ‘rent seeking’. Yea but you only use those as proxies to bitch about Democrats or ‘socialism’. You don’t care if the rich graft the shit out of us, steal our taxes and give us jack shit. The only tax money many poor people experience is the police, kicking in their teeth. Yet low and behold, the richie riches avoid paying taxes, run questionable non-profits many of whose day-to-day expenses like postage are paid for by you and me.

    Rob is a tacky, party-line hack. He hates poor people. He would fit right in in racist, nationalist France. He would love it in Spain, where the Romas are still killed on site, without trial, for being homeless, poor, nomadic, or members of an ethnic underclass.

    Much tax money is taken in for social programs to help the poor and the unfortunate. Then it is given to richie riches under the watchful eye of spend-freaks that you fellas put into power. Then you complain about the poor and act as if the rich have earned all they have through hard work when in reality it is through nepotism and our pay-to-play system that Rob apologizes for daily.

    Stay classy Rob.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Rez, I second the urge to you to grow up.

    The longer you put it off, the more bitter and cranky you’re going to be, and that will not help you.

    Not that I expect you to listen. Do youths ever listen or do they insist on reinventing the wheel every time?

    So the best Willy Wonka “no, stop, wait, don’t” to you and good luck figuring things out before you come across something you can’t extricate yourself from because that kind of arrogance you’re carrying leads exactly to it.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    When it comes to GM and Chrysler you are only really complaining about the unions.

    No, I’ve criticized those companies for throwing themselves on the mercy of the federal government too.

    And I’ve nailed GE for rent-seeking on cap and trade, and using their media arm for propaganda.

    Again, you just want to shape reality to fit your points.

    He uh… he could just be saying what’s on his mind. I know the youth can be pretty scary sometimes, but we don’t all have sinister motives.

    Don’t get me wrong. I disagree with Rez, but you bringing age to the table every time you feel someone younger than you is wrong isn’t productive.

    Or logical.

    I consider Rez’s age when I read his comments. I don’t use his age to dismiss his comments, but I do think that growing up and getting a job and paying some taxes sometimes makes people grow up and see the world as it is.

    Of course, some people never grow up as evidenced by a lot of the liberals here.

    In Rez’s case, i still have hope. ;-)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    They ain’t even poor and you support that.

    I don’t, actually. Put take another sniff of glue and believe whatever you want.

    Rez,

    By the way, I’m not bitter. I just don’t think someone else’s poverty is a mortgage upon my success.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    So, I’m a douche bag because I don’t want to subsidize other people’s cell phones?

    And i don’t know what world you’re living in, but the world I live in there are alternatives to cell phones.

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