In any case, reprehensor’s arguments are false. The purpose of the extreme interrogation methods were not to confirm what we already knew from multiple intel sources about the planning of 9/11, but rather to reveal whether there were other similar attacks planned for the future. And as Hayden explained in the link above, to expose secret details about the organization, financing and training in the al Qaeda organization.

Al Qaeda was severely compromised by the capture of these three thugs who reprehensor cries crocodile tears for. And the world is safer because of it.

J.A. Simon:

Many well known and respected senior U.S. military officers, intelligence services and law enforcement veterans, and government officials have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report or have made public statements that contradict the Report.

These same people also think Oswald was not alone and LBJ, the Mob and Castro killed JFK, they believe in the Loch Ness monster, and space aliens.

Bat One, I’ve made it clear all along that there are circumstances where I thought it was justifiable. Interestingly enough, for the good intel that we gathered e.g. from KSM, there is a long list of erroneous information that was unfortunately acted upon, sometimes to the embarrassment or general detriment of our nation.

Bad intel gets people killed as often than a lack of intel does.

If, as you continue to intimate, it’s such a damned successful program, why do you suppose they suspended it (and years before it became public knowledge)?

Willie’s got it right. The truth hurts.

Bad intel gets people killed as often than a lack of intel does.

Emotionally satisfying, but a bit hard to quantify the consequences of a lack of intel, isn’t it?

One nuke in the middle of a crowded city covers a lot of wrongful convictions, I think; even some dead agents.

I am glad that Willie feels free enough to speak his mind on 9/11. It is not tenamount to to Holocaust denial, as has been suggested! People who deny the Holocaust say it never happened. 9/11 Truthers are saying that the whole truth of that horrible day has yet to be told. and yes, there IS a difference!!!

Just answer the question. Where are all those people?

Awwww. The comments here are so absurdly stupid, they’re almost cute.

AE911truth.o r g

You want engineers? There you go…

Still no proof. Perhaps you mental midgets ought to get Arlen Sphyncter to investigate. You idiots believed the Warren Report. What fucking morons.

Man, think about what moniker you are giving to people that believe 9/11 was a staged event by a shadow government: “Truthers”. Are you afraid of the truth? Would you have to reevaluate your life? Is that uncomfortable for you?

A minimum of 2000 people vanished. Where are they? And where are the people who ran the op? Point them out. Prove it, now, or shut the fuck up.

Nevertheless, the SERE experts’ theories were apparently put into practice with Zubaydah’s interrogation. Zubaydah told the Red Cross that he was not only waterboarded, as has been previously reported; he was also kept for a prolonged period in a cage, known as a “dog box,” which was so small that he could not stand. According to an eyewitness, one psychologist advising on the treatment of Zubaydah, James Mitchell, argued that he needed to be reduced to a state of “learned helplessness.”

Rep,

So, what?

Perhaps you are unaware, but there are probably tens of thousands of us, active duty personnel and veterans, who have undergone exactly this same treatment as part of our training.

It is certainly uncomfortable, particularly with “guards” beating on the “box” at irregular intervals with some sort of wooden or metal stick… never mind the incessant Chinese “bubble gum music” played for our displeasure. But the smart-asses among us, when asked by the “guards” why we didn’t respond more quickly, replied that we were “upstairs taking a nap” and hadn’t heard the doorbell. And the more limber among us managed top turn themselves around 180 degrees, despite the confines of the “box” and drop our pants to that when the “guards” opened the door they were greeted with a nasty ol’ butt smiling back at them.

Torture is what John McCain, Jeremiah Denton, and Admiral James Stockdale and hundreds of other American warriors endured… broken bones, dislocated joints, untreated infections, dysentery, relentless beatings, starvation, deliberately inflicted acutely painful injuries to various parts of the body. The SERE stuff you cite, even waterboarding, is nothing in comparison. Effective…Yes. Thankfully. But torture? Not hardly!

Besides, in the final analysis there is no rational justification for treating men like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri anywhere nearly as well as they were. Men such as these, who have sworn a blood oath to destroy our civilization, our way of life, and anyone who refuses to accept their religious dogma, can have no claim on the benefits afforded by that civilization, that way of life, and our institutional tolerance.

If a man breaks into my home, I am not about to ask him politely if he is there to merely steal my art collection or whether his intentions toward me and my family are perhaps more savage. I will kill the SOB on the spot, assuming the worst and secure in the knowledge that the intruder left all claim to tolerance and presumed innocence outside the door or window he came in.

And only a witless fool, you included, would do any different.

The terrorists were in league with aliens. A UFO flies away from WTC1 at about 14 seconds into the clip of the second plane hitting.

The Martians are Muslims.

The Twin Towers did not “collapse”, they were pulverized

Why not both?

It’s called kinetic energy. Look into it. It’s amazing what half a million tons of mass crashing down to the Earth will do. It pulverizes all matter.

Holy shit, imagine that!

9/11 was an inside job.. check out zeitgeist the movie, loose change and other movies on YouTube, and learn the TRUTH ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON!

Wow. You’re so sure of yourself.

Why don’t you check out Screw Loose Change.

And then you can learn about the TRUTH ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON!

That is, if you’re not just a STUPID person employed typing RUMORS and trying to DISSUADE intelligent people from drawing their own conclusions. (Capitalized for your benefit.)

Propaganda is your main strength of course.

Btw idiot – did you notice that you’re allowed to spew your insulting crap at this website? Think about that as you capitalize random words and insult those who give you a forum.

got two words for ya!! GOOGLE THERMITE!!!!

Personally, I think the recent tornadoes were a government plot to instill fear in the populace on their way to installing a

…wait for it…

A dictatorship.

Yes folks. You can go back to sleep if you want, but the truth is the truth and it is understood if this truth scares you. Just go back to sleep.

For all of those who want the truth,

GOOGLE CLOUD SEEDING!!!!

Don’t believe fox news! They are in on this conspiracy.

Wake up sheeple, the 2/5 Truther Movement is growing. Don’t believe the official fairy tale.

Unbelievable. j.a. (that stand for jack ass?), 7 years have past and you’re beating that very dead horse. Get a life…

go watch fox news and they will set you straight (sic), they’ll give you all the facts you need to know

Don’t be silly, Fox News don’t deal in facts.

You’ll live to see the real story of 9/11 exposed to the light of day.

I already has been; I’ve got the video. You’re in denial of an obvious truth.

Carrick, as I have pointed out several times, the “bad intel” you keep referencing mainly came from unreliable HumInt sources, not interrogations. Interrogation works. You can deny that till Hell freezes over, and all you will have is the fact that interrogation works. And frozen Hell.

Willie smokes so much dope that it’s hard to take anything he says seriously.

So, nutjob, where are the thousands of conspirators who did this? Were they all killed to keep them silent?

Hi Rob,

Apparently, the codswallop put forward by the Bush Administration regarding 9/11 is more to your liking. This requires a certain lack of intellectual rigor on your end, of which, I am sure you are capable.

To believe that version of reality, you must accept the contradictions of military brass about what happened that day;

Here are the earlier claims made by the military–as represented at a Commission hearing in May of 2003 by Colonel Alan Scott and Major General Larry Arnold–followed by the contrary information provided by the tapes:

(1) The military’s earlier claim: When fighter jets at Langley Air Force Base in Virginia were scrambled at 9:24 that morning, they were scrambled in response to word from the FAA that possibly either AA 77 (as implied by Colonel Scott) or UA 93 (as stated by General Arnold) had been hijacked and was headed towards Washington.

What the tapes indicate: NEADS did not learn that AA 77 and UA 93 had been hijacked until after they had crashed. The Langley fighters were instead scrambled in response to “phantom AA 11″–that is, to a false report that AA 11 had not struck the World Trade Center and was instead headed towards Washington.

(2) The military’s earlier claim: Having learned from the FAA about the hijacking of UA 93 at 9:16, NEADS was tracking it and was in position to shoot it down if necessary. (Although the claim about the 9:16 notification is not reflected in NORAD’s timeline–which instead has “N/A”–both Arnold and Scott made this claim in their May 2003 testimony.)

What the tapes indicate: NEADS, far from learning of the possible hijacking of UA 93 at 9:16, at which time it had not yet been hijacked, did not receive this information until 10:07, four minutes after UA 93 had crashed. So NEADS could not have had fighter jets tracking it.

(3) The military’s earlier claim: NEADS was prepared to act on a command, issued by Vice President Cheney, to shoot down UA 93.

What the tapes indicate: There was no command to shoot down UA 93 before it crashed. Cheney was not notified about the possible hijacking of this flight until 10:02, only one minute before it crashed, and the shoot-down authorization was not given by him until many minutes after UA had crashed.

Assuming that the newly released tapes provide the definitive account of NEADS’ conversations on 9/11, the implications go far beyond the conclusion that Colonel Scott and General Arnold made false statements to the 9/11 Commission, evidently deliberately (Commission members, pointing out that the military had reviewed the tapes, dismiss the view that Scott and Arnold could have simply been confused). http://tinyurl.com/2csksh

Are you OK with that?

The story of how 9/11 was planned, (according to the 9/11 Commission), is based on the torture of the key 9/11 suspects;

Those subjected to waterboarding were suspected Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and senior al Qaeda leaders Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, Hayden said at the Senate hearing on threats to the United States. http://tinyurl.com/2t4syb

The torture model that the CIA used was based on an earlier program from the Cold War;

Nevertheless, the SERE experts’ theories were apparently put into practice with Zubaydah’s interrogation. Zubaydah told the Red Cross that he was not only waterboarded, as has been previously reported; he was also kept for a prolonged period in a cage, known as a “dog box,” which was so small that he could not stand. According to an eyewitness, one psychologist advising on the treatment of Zubaydah, James Mitchell, argued that he needed to be reduced to a state of “learned helplessness.”

Steve Kleinman, a reserve Air Force colonel and an experienced interrogator … said that … “…It starts with isolation. Then they eliminate the prisoners’ ability to forecast the future–when their next meal is, when they can go to the bathroom. It creates dread and dependency. It was the K.G.B. model. But the K.G.B. used it to get people who had turned against the state to confess falsely. The K.G.B. wasn’t after intelligence.”

The CIA used torture techniques designed to elicit false confessions to base the “Official Conspiracy Theory” of 9/11 on.

Are you OK with that?

Egh, whatever “Paul Revere”. If you’re going to lie about what happened and characterize things as vanishing into thin air, then you’re going to find holes in that story. The thing is, it’s your story that you’re debunking.

Good job there, chief. You’re debunking your own story.

Not that any level of fact and reason will penetrate your cloud of conspiracy, but a lot of very smart and very independent people have reviewed the 9/11 attacks and concluded that they were what they were: Terrorist attacks.

Plus, common sense tells us that massive conspiracies (of the size that would have to exist to pull off something like 9/11) don’t survive. Especially not with the level of scrutiny applied to 9/11.