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Tuesday, August 12, 2008


Why Would Russia Stand Down Now When Georgia Is Ready To Fall?

It seems that Russia has decided to stand down in Georgia, at least for now. The Russian president Dmitri Mevedev has called for a sort of vease fire:

MOSCOW - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ordered a halt to military action in Georgia on Tuesday, after five days of air and land attacks that took Russian forces deep into its small U.S.-allied neighbor in the Caucasus.
Medvedev said on national television that the military had punished Georgia enough for its attack on South Ossetia. Georgia launched an offensive late Thursday to regain control over the separatist Georgian province, which has close ties to Russia.

“The security of our peacekeepers and civilians has been restored,” Medvedev said. “The aggressor has been punished and suffered very significant losses. Its military has been disorganized.”

The Russian president, however, said he ordered the military to defend itself and quell any signs of Georgian resistance.

It’s not hard to read between the lines here. The “aggressor has been punished….” Translation - we’ve made our point. All you upstart democracies on our borders hear this - we won’t tolerate too much posturing on your parts and inclusion in NATO is unacceptable.

Note that he’s also opened the door for the military to “defend itself.” Translation: We’ll probably stay right where we are for now, Georgian soil or not and if you make a move against us we’ll finish what we started. You’ve just become a semi-occupied country.

And if there is any doubt about what the ultimate goal was from the first shot fired, check out this statement:

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said earlier Tuesday that Georgia’s President Mikhail Saakashvili should leave office and that Georgian troops should stay out of South Ossetia permanently.

Moscow will not talk to Saakashvili, Lavrov said; the best thing for Saakashvili to do “would be to step down.” But he said Moscow has not made Saakashvili’s departure a condition for ending hostilities.

Translation: We want a sock puppet. Period. And until you give us one we’re not going anywhere.

Russia will get away with this one. Mostly. There’s only one problem with their whole little plan. This isn’t Prague in 1968 regardless of the comparisons being made. In 1968 it was easy to tell your side of the story, stick to it, and most people would just have to swallow what you put out.

That’s not the case anymore. Now the internet and cell phones have opened up people’s access to information like never before. It’s harder to shovel the party line down people’s throats when they can pull up news sites from all over the world and get the other side of the story. I have to wonder if all the bad press they were getting is one reason the Russians stopped the actual takeover of Georgia.

It would have been an easy thing to do for them militarily. Georgia never stood a chance from the start. So…why quit when Georgia could have been in their back pocket in days? And I don’t think an attack of the conscience had much to do with it.

I think it got out of control too fast and Russia found herself the focus of some very negative attention. They’ve won militarily but have painted themselves in a corner by doing so. Now they’ll just have to hold what they have for a while before they start to pull back. They have to save face, and the best way to do that is through bluster and demands.

I could be wrong, but what the Georgian military couldn’t do, mass communication on a global scale did. The Russians may have just taught Georgia a military lesson but they may have learned one of a different sort themselves.

The days of fooling all the people all the time are over.

 

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Comments

So…why quit when Georgia could have been in their back pocket in days?

I blame Bush.  His rhetoric halted the Russian advance.

Politically Incorrect on August 12, 2008 at 04:45 am

Pil, the Russians are not standing down. Their forces continue to operate openly in Georgia and are moving into the central regions as we speak.


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2Hotel9 on August 12, 2008 at 05:02 am

Hotel,

According to this morning’s most recent headlines they’s stopped in place.


The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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Pilgrim on August 12, 2008 at 05:05 am

I could be wrong, but what the Georgian military couldn’t do, mass communication on a global scale did. The Russians may have just taught Georgia a military lesson but they may have learned one of a different sort themselves.

I imagine that was Saakashvili’s objective. There could be no other reason why he would attack a far superior force.


“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Hairy Polemic on August 12, 2008 at 05:16 am
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Note that he’s also opened the door for the military to “defend itself.” Translation: We’ll probably stay right where we are for now, Georgian soil or not and if you make a move against us we’ll finish what we started. You’ve just become a semi-occupied country.

Now where have I heard that before?  What leader has ever uttered words to justify invasion of another country to defend itself?

Probably just coincidence?

Hannitized on August 12, 2008 at 05:28 am

Airstrikes and movement of armored columns continue from the west, into central Georgia. Operations in Ossetia are holding in place, consolidating and resupplying.

Medved, Putins sockpuppet, has stated that Georgia must stand down all military forces, and give full access to the entire country or they will be forced to do so.

NYT actually has 2 good articles on this, one from yesterday and one in this morning’s print.


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2Hotel9 on August 12, 2008 at 05:32 am
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“Why Would Russia Stand Down Now When Georgia Is Ready To Fall?”
you won’t understand, since you are nothing but a stupid american.

pean on August 12, 2008 at 05:32 am

peon has chosen the right usename.


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2Hotel9 on August 12, 2008 at 05:34 am

you won’t understand, since you are nothing but a stupid american.

Yikes!

I wish paen would enlighten us since we’re so stupid and all. Me, specifically.

I’m sure that wherever he’s from is so much more…..intelligent.


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Pilgrim on August 12, 2008 at 05:44 am

you won’t understand, since you are nothing but a stupid american.

Sounds like sarcasm but it’s hard to tell since ROB WON’T GIVE US SARCASM TAGS.  (Kidding.  My daughter uses two thumbs up and a grin but it doesn’t work on the internet.)

The Russians may have just taught Georgia a military lesson but they may have learned one of a different sort themselves.

I agree with Rob largely but Putin may be depending on the worlds lack of cojones to escalate this.  We made threatening gestures and Russia made concilliatory noises and paused.  I don’t think it’s over and the Russian learned lesson may have been too subtle for a quick turnaround.

FlyOnTheWall on August 12, 2008 at 05:57 am

I wouldn’t trust the Russians just yet.

As my dad would say, they are responsible for nearly all of the situations that required US military intervention in the last 65 years.  This is the same country that conspired with Hitler to take over the world and only turned against them when they were attacked.

electnixon on August 12, 2008 at 06:53 am
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I am Russian.

We completely do not need any big war on Caucases.
Chechenia - this more than enougth for us,
we have lot of other problems than making wars.

Most of the population is very proud for our RESPONSE
to Georgian attack on Osetia !
But I think not many will support a
full scale war with Georgia.
That would not be war with Georgian army - but the war
with Georgian people, guerilla war which can last for dozens
of years. Much worse than Chechnia.
Of course, not the population decide to start-stop wars
- but Putin -  I cannot say about his reasons.

I just wanted to say about the opinion of common people.

Alex on August 12, 2008 at 08:52 am
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Yours posts are so anti-Russian…
Let me ask You something.

I was around 16 in 1991;
we were very entusiastic about democracy, freedoms, ...
USA and West were kind of ideals for us…

But Eltsin came and began to lead to “democracy”.
You know what was the result - our life became a disaster,
millions of people were killed in local wars like
the same Osetia in 1991-2, Chechnia, Karabax, Tadzhikistan…

Where You were when all this happened ?
Why did You support him ?
How dare You teach us “democracy” after that ?

You cannot understand things not because You are “stupid Americans”,
but because You do not have so much pain as we had,
You have not seen as Your country crashed,
Your ideals were broken away.
You just see the quite life around You.
Imagine Yourself in Georgia (USA) at the end of the civil war in USA,
that might get You some undetstanding.

Alex on August 12, 2008 at 10:05 am

Alex, Putin is nothing more than a разбойник, and he has no concern for the people of Russia.

As for the collapse of the Soviet Union and the subsequent wars and banditry, you have to lay the blame where it belongs. Your leadership. Their moral failure is not America’s fault.

Russian politicians, under the guidance of the arch criminal Vladimir Putin, have been working to destabilize all of the governments of the former slave states. And the only reason is so they can be the new Politburo, the Czars of the 21st century. Serfdom is returning, and Putin et al plan to be the new Royalty, the reincarnation of the House Romanov. 

The claim that Russia is merely responding Georgian aggression against the poor, oppressed people of Ossetia is laughable. Russia will not give them their freedom. They will slap them into the chains of slavery which they cast off when the Communist empire collapsed. That is the sole purpose of Russia crushing Georgia.

Oh, and the oil and gas. Putin has coveted that all along.


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2Hotel9 on August 12, 2008 at 11:13 am

You have not seen as Your country crashed,
Your ideals were broken away.

It isn’t our fault if moronic Russians can’t make democracy work.

Stop your whining. Boo hoo, no one cares about your self-inflicted misery.

Ken McCracken on August 12, 2008 at 11:24 am

Ken

It isn’t our fault if moronic Russians can’t make democracy work.

Grow up. Namecalling is for highschoolers. That’s not only xenophobic, it wrong. There are many Russians who live in this country and they function just fine. I am of polish/slavic dissent and I take personal issue with that. Its ethnic-based jive and its shit. Sounds like what Ashcroft wrote in the southern partisan back in ‘84: blacks, asians, latinos, eastern europeans… they aren’t cut out for democracy. STFU, both of you.

Pilgrim
Remember what Zig said. Truth is the first casualty of war. Commenting on this now is silly. Its not a democracy/nondemocracy issue. The Georgian leader is as much a thug as Putin is. Just because he courts us for financial incentives doesn’t mean shit for democracy.

I’m tired of gut reaction politics. You guys are quick to shoot and hardly ever hit the target. The truth gets buried under buzzwords and emotional vitriol. Its gone. speculate away…


For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 12, 2008 at 01:38 pm

STFU, both of you.

Stick it up your ass, Sparkie.

Grow up. Namecalling is for highschoolers.

This, coming from you? Is this some kind of joke?

There are many Russians who live in this country and they function just fine. I am of polish/slavic dissent and I take personal issue with that. Its ethnic-based jive and its shit.

But you have no problem with some Russian idiot using ‘ethnic-based jive’ against Americans. Well I take personal issue with that, Sparkie.

If Russians are all so damn great, why does Russia just suck out loud when it comes to democracy, human rights, capitalism and progress?

Ken McCracken on August 12, 2008 at 04:59 pm
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