” how would you feel if your tax dollars were spent on a private Muslim madrasahs? “…I’m not aware of christian private religious schools teaching students that a country should be removed from the planet, or that salvation awaits those whom murder infidels, or that misogyney is a positive character trait. Other than those concerns I have no reservations. Have you amny other foolish statements or assertions to make today?

Only those with an interest in keeping the public “Stupid” are against School Vouchers.
It’s a true No-Brainer.
If there’s competition for the right to educate my kid, somehow it makes me believe it would be better.
All this resistance, just shows how “Stupid” people already are.
I’ve met “Drop-outs” with better heads on their shoulders than most highschool grads.

It is a contextual specific classification.

That’s a meaningless string of words meant to obfuscate the fact that you have no logical point. Kind of like you would find in something written by Marx, Hegel, or many of today’s “post-modern” philosophers.

Otherwise, I’m not sure what “context” justifies your classification. Are you saying that the fact that people who disagree with you post on this site provides sufficient context for classifying them?

If that is the case, then likwidshoe’s statement about eradicating muslims was perfectly justified as contextually specific to those muslims who want to kill him. Right?

Greetings:

One of the things that I have noticed in the debates about the efficacy of public education and especially the impact of vouchers is that the Catholic parochial education system rarely comes up in the discussion.

I think that the Catholic school system is an excellent example of people accepting responsibility for their children’s education, not by whining to the government, but by putting their own hands in their own pockets and marshaling the required resources while at the same time being required to support, through taxation, the public school system.

I attended Catholic schools for 13 years, five of which involved direct tuition payments. Religious training was only one of my daily subjects, the rest of which were the government mandated curriculum. There seems to be a consensus that the Catholic schools do a quality job in educating their students.

It seems to me that the non-Catholic public receives a double benefit, a reduced school population to support and the same revenue levels, and yet, rarely is this identified as a political oppression or a situation to be rectified. I would think that a government subsidy of some sort would be in order at least to acknowledge the cost of the mandated curriculum.

Of course, I not holding my breath waiting for this to happen.

I’m not sure it’s xenophobia (at least not unjustified) when a good chunk of the people you fear actually do want to kill you.

Seems to me that it would be kind of reckless (of your own life) to pretend that weren’t the case. No? Or is that too logical and not emotional enough of an analysis?

How much do you want to bet that the AFT Arizona donates heavily to the ACLU to be its legal muscle?

What does that say about your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you is a “rabid right-wing extremist?”

It is not a matter of attributing everybody whom I disagree with as being an “rabid right-wing extremist”. It is a contextual specific classification.

Seems to me that it would be kind of reckless (of your own life) to pretend that weren’t the case. No? Or is that too logical and not emotional enough of an analysis?

I do admit that there is a sect of Islam that is violent and destructive, but those who follow that sect are the vast minority.

Your rabid right-wing extremist TV and talk-radio hosts have committed the Guilt By Association fallacy, that is, highlighting the acts or beliefs of some individual (or individuals) and attributes those acts and beliefs to an entire group (which makes for bad journalism, but effective propaganda).

Man Train. I apologize. I was wrong.

Not even topic related here enymore.
Just a Tit-For-Tat with that Fagot, Man Train.

The guy doesn’t practice what he preaches, but he sure has insults galore!

I do not mean “rabid right-wing extremists” as an insult. It is an accurate categorization of the people on this site. Calling you guys “moderate” or even merely “conservative” would be dishonest and entirely false. Besides, calling you guys fascists (not an insult, but an accurate categorization) breaks Godwin’s Law.

Ignorance is destructive when coupled with aggression. For your sake, I hope you are more reserved when expression your opinions in public than you are while on-line.

So “the religion of peace” isn’t evil?

Okay, then.

It’s not like we can’t point to many gifts to humanity brought by the Muslims like….uh….and….uh….nevermind.

Yeah, just call those who oppose this evil religion “ignorant”. That’s the ticket!

Projection and delusion. Not surprising. Rabid right-wing extremists cannot admit to having any faults. It is part of the personality type.

You just don’t stop.

Why don’t you bounce on out of here now? I think you’ve hit up upon the “Fairness Doctrine” limit.

You’re not a hypocrite, are you?

Your rabid right-wing extremist TV and talk-radio hosts have committed the Guilt By Association fallacy, that is, highlighting the acts or beliefs of some individual (or individuals) and attributes those acts and beliefs to an entire group (which makes for bad journalism, but effective propaganda).

That’s fair. What does that say about your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you is a “rabid right-wing extremist?”

You keep displaying an inability to examine your own faults. There is something sociopathic about that.

Perhaps calling you guys fascist is a bit hyperbolic.

Ya think?

You can add “belligerent nationalism”, “xenophobia” and “ostracization of minorities and out-groups” to the hyperbolic crap pile.

The problem is the parents, teachers union and the school boards.

I see this as partially correct, but the crux of the piss-poor state of public education is the basic structure; Administration -> Advocate groups (unions) -> Educators -> Parents -> Students…The order of priority is wrong, and you will notice that the bulk of funds winds up in the hands of the high end of that order and corresponds accordingly. Administration = GOVERNMENT, and inept government to boot, partially because it lays under the thumb of the union. It’s that easy.

Performance-based pay for both admin and teachers is the most equitable way to attempt to correct this, along with PARENTAL dictate of itenerary, NOT union/admin. In fact, the union serves NO useful purpose as anything but a political extension of “progressive” organizations and their advocates…

Thank you for outlining your objection. Perhaps calling you guys fascist is a bit hyperbolic. ‘Fascistic tendencies’ is more accurate, specifically your overall belligerent nationalism, xenophobia, and ostracization of minorities and out-groups.

You can add “belligerent nationalism”, “xenophobia” and “ostracization of minorities and out-groups” to the hyperbolic crap pile.

likwidshoe on December 13, 2008 at 01:56 pm

[Muslims are] like hornets that need to be exterminated and here’s the center of their hive.

likwidshoe on December 13, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Hypocrite.

So if I were to use my economic stimulus check to make a donation to a church or faith based charity that would also be money laundering ?

Is the money for you economic stimulus check being deducted from public school budgets? Knowing the hatred rabid right-wing extremists have for public schools I’m guessing the answer is “hopefully”.

Man Train,

Knowing the hatred rabid right-wing extremists have for public schools I’m guessing the answer is “hopefully”.

That’s offensive. I am not a rabid right-wing extremist, but I have a profound hatred for public schools. Most likely because I now work among people who went to prep school, and I had to teach myself everything that I didn’t learn in public school (which is just about everything) so that I could communicate with my co-workers without embarassing myself (and this dispite having gone to a top private university).

The public school system creates a huge culture gap in income disparity and freezes class mobility. It is very rare that an ambitious public school graduate will be autodidactic enough to teach himself what he needs to know to find acceptance among the “higher” classes — even if he manages to get himself there money-wise.

To give you an example. While a public school history class is busy teaching a watered-down American History from a textbook approved by countless interest groups who don’t want to be “offended.” A private school is teaching the same class from a series of famous (and probably controversial) historians’ dissertations. The private school students get to (1) learn those bits of history that are not necessarily comfortable to teach in a PC environment, and (2) learn to exercise their critical thinking skills by seeing how different scholars interpret events differently. Meanwhile, the public school kiddies are sitting there memorizing “facts” and dates like mindless drones.

All this because private schools have an incentive to compete with each other for people’s money.

So yes, there is a perfectly acceptable, non-rabid reason to hate public schools.

The problem is that people want to spend their voucher money on private religious schools, that means unconstitutionally funding religion with federal money.

That’s not actually true. The voucher would be given to the individual taxpayer with children of qualifying school age. That parent would then choose a school, possibly a religious one.

Thus it is not Congress or any agent of the government choosing religious schools. It is the taxpayer, and there’s nothing unconstitutional about that.

Knowing the hatred rabid right-wing extremists have for public schools I’m guessing the answer is “hopefully”.

I actually don’t have a problem with public schools at all. I think that subsidizing education is an appropriate role of government. I just happen to think that giving public educators and their unions/lobbyists a monopoly on public education is idiotic.

Parents shouldn’t be trapped into sending their kid to whatever public school happens to be closest. Schools, be they public or private, should have to compete with one another to make parents want to send their kids there.

That sort of competition will make education in this country better.

I actually don’t have a problem with public schools at all.

I should qualify that by saying that I have a problem with the way public education is run. I don’t have a problem with the existence of public schools. I just think we need to do public education differently.