“The Foley scandal came at the perfect time for Democrats.” He Says!

What, you think it was a coincidence?

(no, a coincidence is that my captcha image reads “wanted17″ right now. That could have been Foleys IM handle )

R108, what a liar you are tonight. You lie buecasue you just can’t stand it that the Rs are in trouble for something they did all on their own and you continue to be the apologist for the republicans. Just keep up the lying. No one believes it anyway. We’ve seen great leadership this week with Rs cutting deals behind the scenes to save Hastert and try to stop the hemorraging and fighting within the republican party. They dems didn’t have to do anything. Y’all did this on your own.

Oh what a tangled web…..

Still waiting for those facts, donnie.

That sword cuts both ways—the Foley scandal also distracts from:

** the GOP failure to bring al Qaeda to justice,

** the fact that global terrorism has gone UP every year the Bush regime has been in office,

** the massive GOP deficit,

** the resurgence of the Taliban after the Bush regime cut and ran from Afghanistan,

** and Rumsfeld’s total incompetence in Iraq.

Y’all should be grateful that one of your guys likes to simulate sex with teenage boys.

** the GOP failure to bring al Qaeda to justice,

Thanks to our President, a very large number of Al Qaeda have been killed or captured, along with the head of AQ in Iraq, Zarqawi. Lie #1

** the fact that global terrorism has gone UP every year the Bush regime has been in office,

A duly-elected majority is not a “regime”. Lie #2
We have had so terrorist attacks on our own soil for five years, due to our President fighting terrorists instead of ignoring them, like Clinton did. We have far less terrorism in the US, which is what counts. Lie #3

** the massive GOP deficit,

As a percentage of GDP, the deficit is less than most Dem Admins; the “surplus” claimed by Clinton was also a lie, in that it was a ten year projection that didn’t factor in the war on terrorism, since Clinton wanted to hunker down and pretend it doesn’t exist. The deficit is also decreasing right now, because of our President’s economic policies. Lie #4

** the resurgence of the Taliban after the Bush regime cut and ran from Afghanistan,

The Pentagon has the real figures, and they disagree with leftie hopes. Lie #5

** and Rumsfeld’s total incompetence in Iraq.

While every human(except you, in your own mind) makes mistakes, Rumsfeld’s handling of Iraq has been quite successful, for a variety of reasons. In any case, your assertion of “total incompetence” is a lie; we deposed Saddam in a very short time, for one thing. Lie #6

Y’all should be grateful that one of your guys likes to simulate sex with teenage boys.

I’m sure he’s not the only one, including Barney Frank and you, Don, so your criticism of a gay man is strictly a partisan thing. In any case, no Republican is “grateful” for whatever really happened. Lie #7

Don
I’m not sure but doesn’t STFU mean shut the fuck up?

Could that be construed as a childish insult?

Not if you’re a democrat. Then it’s honest debate.

P: I’ll try to make it simple for you: The Dems had this information on Foley for some time, but didn’t choose to reveal it until right before the election, so they didn’t really care about “protecting the children”, did they? That’s not the gay bashing part. Foley’s behavior was not anything the Dems have ever publicly disapproved of; in fact, they praise it as an “alternate lifestyle”, except when it is being done by a Republican, then it becomes a “scandal”. When you strip away the lies, that this was pedophilia(it was not), that this is “underage sex”(it was not underage, nor was it sex) and when you factor in that at least some of it was deliberately manufactured, you are left with one conclusion: Foley’s real crime was to be a gay Republican. That is the most cynical and partisan gay bashing there is. This is an attempt to divide the Republican vote; no more, no less. There no victims making any accusations here; only self-righteous Dems trying to win an election by playing dirty tricks. Shame on them!

Was it those same aliens (from uranus) that told you:
the GOP failed to bring al Qaeda to justice,

that global terrorism has gone UP every year Bush has been in office,

That the the Taliban resurged

and that Rumsfeld’s is totally incompetent

Two: Yes, the Dems must be getting really desperate to go for gay bashing. The gays are one of their “plantation” groups. Maybe this is a warning for gays to not go Republican, or they will be “outed” and demonized.

Donnie, as a gay man you should be pissed at your party, the Democrat Party, for bashing gays in order to push up their numbers. Instead you are angry at the party that is not bashing gays. You are seriously confused.

puzzledfuck, Foley is already gone, he resigned. And his replacement is already on the ballot. And the GOP is taking their talking points from me. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Now go bash some more gays and marginalize some more minorities. That is all your party, the Democrat Party, has. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

And I’m still waiting for you give up your Bush/Republican apologist ways. But that’ll be when hell freezes over. You’re in charge and we’ve seen what’s happened. Maybe 2007 will be a better year. We can only hope.

so what happened to personal accountability?

so what happened to accountability in the Bush/Republican adminstration?

so what happenened fiscal accountability?

Let’s see what we got:

a war out of control so much that now we have a commission headed by James Baker trying to figure a way out of Iraq in order Bush to save face.

Delay indicted
Cunningham indicted and pled guilty
Foley quit in disgrace, a pervert stalking children
Ney indicted
Abramoff: indicted pled guilty and singing like a bird
Ralston: Rove’s aid de camp forced to resign

Yep, you betcha, the adults are in charge, bringing integrity and personal responsibiity back to the White House and congress. What’s your approval ratings again?

R108, what a liar you are tonight.

An empty charge, at best. You just can’t stand the truth about your partisan gay bashing Dems.

Oh, and still waiting for those facts you are going to post.

Pleaseto explain why you are not angry at your party, the Democrat Party, bashing gays. Is it really that difficult?

This just in…..
drip…drip…drip….
Puzzlefeet on October 6, 2006 at 10:58 pm

This has been in for a while:

Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi marched in a Gay Pride parade with San Francisco’s beloved Harry Hay; a fierce advocate of NAMBLA and man/boy love.

That would be now Democratic leader of the U.S. Congress and the candidate of the Democratic Party to be the next Speaker of the House of Representatives, the official third in line to be President of the United States.

Surely this is a different Rep. Nancy Pelosi from the one who currently has on her website as Minority Leader the following statement:

“Republican leaders admitted to knowing about Mr. Foley’s abhorrent behavior for six months to a year and failed to protect the children in their trust. Republican Leaders must be investigated by the Ethics Committee and immediately questioned under oath.”

Abhorrent behavior?

If men having sex with children is “abhorrent behavior.” then it seems it would be quite logical for a United States Congresswoman to stand up and protest the presence of one of its leading advocates having a place of honor in a civic parade — a parade in which she herself would be marching mere steps behind him.

If Representative Pelosi took the time to condemn Harry Hay’s presence in the Pride Parade, there is no evidence that I can find.

Nor did she refuse to march in the parade as a protest of Mr. Hay.
Nor did she issue a statement warning parents that they were bringing their kids to a parade where Mr. Hay was one of the featured attractions.

What Representative Pelosi chose to do instead — as did much of civic San Francisco — is blithely give a wink-and-a-nod to ole Harry and his interest in little boys.

Not only does a moment like this unintentionally reveal the mindset of what Representative Pelosi and her fellow Democrats may really think but can’t — yet — support.

(This is, after all, the city where now-Mayor Newsom took it upon himself to break new cultural ground by authorizing the performance of same-sex marriages — in violation of California law.)

It also raises the question of whether the acceptance of Harry Hay and his views is a snapshot of a larger, unspoken agenda that San Francisco Democrats want the national Democratic Party to eventually pursue when they return to a Congressional majority — and the White House.

After all, if Harry Hay’s views were not only celebrated in a parade in San Francisco but were not even thought out-of-the-mainstream enough to draw the slightest protest from Ms. Pelosi, why should there be protests over a move to eventually change the laws about men having sex with boys in Pennsylvania or Missouri or Virginia?

There’s two words for that kind of agenda.

“Abhorrent behavior.”

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Liberal San Francisco Democratic Representative Nancy Pelosi Supports NAMBLA. Here’s what NAMBLA says:

“The issue of love between men and boys has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany.

In the United States, as the gay movement has retreated from its vision of sexual liberation, in favor of integration and assimilation into existing social and political structures, it has increasingly sought to marginalize even demonize cross-generational love.

Pederasty – that is, love between a man and a youth of 12 or so years of age – say middle-class homosexuals, lesbians, and feminists, has nothing to do with gay liberation.

Some go so far as to claim, absurdly, that it is a heterosexual phenomenon, or even “sexual abuse.”

What a travesty!

Pederasty is the main form that male homosexuality has acquired throughout Western civilization – and not only in the West!

Pederasty is inseparable from the high points of Western culture – ancient Greece and the Renaissance.

Men and youths have always been attracted to each other, and, like homosexuality in general, their love is irrepressible.

Even if it is far from triumphing, or flowering with the freedom it merits and has enjoyed in some other cultures (for example, Siwa oasis in Egypt), still, it can never be repressed.

It will continue to find its way to expression despite all the efforts to suppress and demonize it.

As John Henry Mackay wrote in 1924 in The Books of the Nameless Love:

They murder our love and yet it lives.
They throttle our cry and it echoes back from the future.

Puzzledfuck is practically histerical, must be “the change”. I love the Democrat Party in desperation mode, just too funny. Hey, puzzle, is your union going to hop on the “we will out you if you defy our commands” bandwagon? Your gaybashing is going to lose you a pile of voters. And they ain’t gonna vote Republican. They are just not going to vote, period. Just like the abysmal turnout your party, the Democrat Party, had in the primaries. Now toddle along and bash some more gays, I think you missed a couple yesterday.

When Puzzle manages to voice her support for the Boy Scouts position against gay scout leaders, then maybe we can start to take the rest of her partisan little tirades seriously. After all, if the untoward advances of an adult male authority figure toward a 17 year old male are repugnant and offensive, how can similar advances toward a 10 or 12 year old be accpetable?

In the meantime, as usual, it is the Republicans that are being principled and consistent.

then there’s this today:

In Pennsylvania this week, Representative Don Sherwood, a suddenly endangered Republican, bought time on television to offer an apology in response to allegations that he had abused his mistress.

(Washington Post 10/6/06)

Nice Try guttermouth, what is happening to the party of “moral values”? It seems the wheels are coming off the track.

Pelosi said he was a child molester, not that he is a child molester because he is gay. Obviously you have a problem with gays as does the republican party.

More childish insults…please wake me up when one of you kids has something of substance to say.

>YAWN<

Pelosi has vote in support of initiatives to legalize the activities of organisations such as NAMBLA. Now suck it, puzzledfuck.

Puzzle,

If you will try just a little bit harder to concentrate on what is being said, I will try just a little bit harder to slow down enough to make that effort easier for you.

If you are going to suggest that adult males who show a “perverted” interest in 17 year old males should be restricted from positions of authority over those boys, then it’s hard to see how you can oppose those, like the Boy Scouts, who try to keep exactly that situation from happening.

I have not suggested that everyone who is gay is perverted, so please don’t insult my intelligence with that tired strawman argument.

You could TRY to argue that the Boy Scouts should allow gay scout leaders and only go after those who actually DO something perverted toward those under their control, but then you would be endangering the very victims you pretend to be concern with, and argung against the very position that you and the Democrats have taken against Congressman Foley… particularly as I don’t see that you have any sort of proof that Foley actually DID anything to any of the pages. Logical consistency is such a bitch, isn’t it.

I know this sort of confrontation is frustrating for you. But this is what happens when you shoot off your mouth without the benefit thinking first… an all too common affliction among those on the Left, obviously.

What, no explanation of the “gaybashing” boys?

puzzledfuck, we don’t have to prove anything. Every comment you post is just dripping with hate and derision for anyone who dares to disagree with your party’s, the Democrat Party, position. Hard left ideologues are all of the gay lobby remaining with the Democrat Party. Every day walking in the street working at their job gays are turning their backs on the Democrat Party and moving to other political affiliations. And they ain’t going Republican. They are leaving you, because you are a bitter, hate-filled old woman, and your party, the Democrat Party, is filled with bitter, hate-filled old people who cannot get over 1967. Now suck on it.

Hey Beze, no proof, not even circumstantial evidence. Oh, and your lame attempt at proof of gay bashing falls flat. Your problem with this lame attempt is that he is not being attacked for being gay, but for going after children.
Like, nice try though.
Puzzlefeet on October 7, 2006 at 06:34 am

Wrong once again!

Puzzle Feet continues to display the extemporaneous (even unconscious) intransigent irrationality of teenagers!

You guys give puzzle feet a break. She’s trying real hard and can’t help it if she was never educated properly in school.

That’s not her fault. She’s a victim and is deserving of charity and tenderheartedness.

She’s just a kid: albeit an air headed blockhead, but a kid nevertheless.

Right now, she’s having a difficult time thinking for herself so, please, show some compassion for this poor pathetic child.

It’s not really ‘her’ fault that she’s so dazed and deficient. Perhaps she too was abused by a cleric when she was younger.

#1

Mr. “Nambla” was number 31 in the parade and Ms. Pelosi was number 34 in the parade line up. They were not marching “together” as you allege
Puzzle feet on October 6, 2006 at 10:16 pm

Ok Pus…First things first…
Once upon a time….two astronauts were both in the space shuttle.
The space shuttle is huge.
One astronaut was way in the back and the other was way in the front.
According to your puerile and silly reasoning you’d say that they were not flying together on the same mission. But really they were.

I was thinking about adding a picture here to help puzzle feet understand (kids like picture books)but the concept is so simple that I decided an image is not needed. I’m working on faith that pus will understand.

This statement alone kiddo, completely blows any and all credibility that you might have had.

#2

Once again, all talk and no proof, simply saying the dems are gay bashing, is not proof. You boys know that. No proof that the dems are gay bashing,No proof whatsoever.
Puzzle feet on October 6, 2006 at 10:16 pm

Democrat Bob Beckel, echoing his party’s concerns, said a gay man should be kept away from male pages the same way Willie Sutton should have been kept away from banks.

“If Willie Sutton is around some place where a bank is robbed,” Beckel said, “then you’re probably going to say, ‘Willie, stay away from the banks.’”

This is the current Democratic line.

Hmmmm….. let’s search the memory bank.

In July 2000, the New York Times (Dem) “ethicist” Randy Cohen advised a reader that pulling her son out of the Cub Scouts because they exclude gay scoutmasters was “the ethical thing to do.”

The “ethicist” explained: “Just as one is honor bound to quit an organization that excludes African-Americans, so you should withdraw from scouting as long as it rejects homosexuals.

Ok Pus… gay man then= not excluded..gay man now = is excluded…hence the gaybashing….k?

#3

The republicans had the information for years, like three, I believe…. it is clear that this is all yours buddy
I just love how you are trying to deflect this and blame the dems.
but there’s so much more to come,
Robert108 and 2h9 are nothing but apolgists for the failed leadership of the republicans
Puzzle feet on October 6, 2006 at 10:16 pm

First, the needless use of the word ‘LIKE’ in front of the word “three” betrays/affirms puss’s youthful stupidity. I mean, like I’m trying to like make a point here.

But, as Robert often says, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every so often.

Puzzle feet is partially correct (unbeknownst to her how and why) when she says there’s no proof (YET) that the Dems had the IM’s for that period of time.

She’s also correct when she says: “but there’s so much more to come.”

But not in the way she thinks!

Yes these communications appear to have existed for three years, there should be an investigation into the extent that there are persons who knew or had possession of these messages but did not report them to the appropriate authorities.

This is in Hastert’s letter to the justice department.

Fact:
The Republicans did not have these instant messages. But somebody did. Who are they? Who started rubbing their hands together and salivating, and how long ago?
Tons of circumstantial evidence implicating the DEMs is piling up!! (BUT NO SOLID PROOF —YET)

Remember, Democrat Gerry Studds did more than engage in an exchange of words with the page.

He actually went out there and had a little whoopee and the House only censured him, and he got reelected from his district. Twice.

P: So, they were separated slightly; does that really make a difference? Her marching with him in the parade was a demonstration of support. Why didn’t she protest his presence? He supports child molestation. Got a real answer? Where was her “leadership”?

P: You continue to lie and be an apologist for the NAMBLA-supporting Dems and Pelosi. She was marching with the head of NAMBLA in San Francisco in their “Gay Pride” parade. Fact. She not only does not attempt to shut down this admitted pedophiliac group, she supports them because they vote for her.
You have presented zero evidence that NAMBLA is part of the Republican constituency, and they would be crazy to be that, since the Republicans don’t support them, like the Dems do. Gay Republicans are not equivalent to NAMBLA members, who are a subset of gay Dems. I sympathize with you; you are on the wrong side of this issue, and have to continue to lie and spin. You can’t admit that your party continues to support real pedophiles, along with all the other “alternate lifestyles” that make up your voting base. They have bought you with their political support, so you desperately have to seek out Republicans to blame for what Dems do as a matter of course. Sick!

What a liar. Obviously you were listening to Hannity today. so why don’t you get the story right, you liar. Mr. “Nambla” was number 31 in the parade and Ms. Pelosi was number 34 in the parade line up. They were not marching “together” as you allege.

You have truly proven yourself to have absolutely no credibility, a liar and a serial repeater of Hannity talking points.

Bwaaa haaaa haaaa! don’t you think you should try again tomorrow R108?

Guttermouth, really you ought to calm down just bit. You are getting hysterical now. Are you missing your pig again? Now don’t take it out on your wife.

Yes, where’s that Dem “leadership” when it comes to real pedophilia? I guess NAMBLA aren’t Republican.

We still do not have to prove anything. Your hate-filled gaybashing is all the prove needed. Now suck on it, you bitter, frigid, hate-filled old bitch.

Oh, come now r108, give puzzledfuck a break. It is not her fault. She is a bitter,frigid,hate-filled,gaybashing old bitch. Oh, er, well I guess it is her fault. Sorry. Carry on.

puzzle bashes gays. puzzle bashes gays. nana nana na na. Now puzzle is bashing Foley for having a “relationship” with a consenting adult. puzzledfuck? Why do you hate gays so much? Is your son gay? Daughter a lesbian and won’t go to bed with you? Just why are you so bitter and hate-filled, frigid old bitch?

NAMBLA is not part of the Republican constituency. It should be a local enforcement matter, i.e. Pelosi in her area of San Francisco. She shows no sign of any action against the organization in her area. She is a hypocrite, and a self-righteous one at that.
In answer to your question about legislation, there is plenty of legislation against NAMBLA, since pedophilia is illegal everywhere. In San Francisco, at least, those laws are not being enforced. Ask Pelosi why she is protecting those pedophiles.
I see no more serious law enforcement with certain Republicans than with certain Dems. Hastert doesn’t include San Francisco in his constituency, so why do you keep being an apologist for Pelosi and her failure to bust NAMBLA in her city? The only thing Foley has really done is to flirt with those young men. Not my cup of tea, but I thought you lefties approved of “alternative lifestyles”. Only for the Dems, I guess, like Barney Frank. Who does Barney flirt with? Do you know?

Let’s add up the score here: you hate Pelosi and try to equate her membership in the ACLU with supporting NAMBLA and marching in a gay rights parade. Is that it? That’s the best you can do. Oh yeah you also add her looks for good measure.

Now your side: disgraced congressman going after children while on duty (Foley); disgraced and arrested former majority leader (Delay); disgraced and arrested congressman (Ney), disgraced and arrested assistant to the Veep (Libby). Disgraced and arrested republican lobbyist (Abramoff) Disgraced and Resigned (forced?) assistant to Karl Rove with over 465 contacts to the White House by Abramoff.

You guys have had a great 2006. What will 2007 bring?

P: Where is Pelosi’s “leadership” in going after admitted child molesters in her own constituency, a group called NAMBLA, who exist solely for the purpose of having sex between adult men and young boys, even under the age of puberty? She knows who they are and where they are, but she has exhibited no leadership in going after them and punishing them, but she self-righteously attacks a Republican gay man for flirting with young men above the age of consent. Talk about hypocrisy! Shame on you for being an apologist for her!

okay, I’ll even give you Jefferson. You simply ignore the facts and continue to be a Republican/Bush apologist and stand up for the pervert Foley. Have the republicans ever legislated against NAMBLA? No, so they are supporting NAMBLA as well, I don’t think Hastert has spoken out against NAMBLA.

Why do you fail to admit the serious leadership vacuum in the republican party? Why do you fail to admits the serious criminal activity within your own party? Flirting? If you say so! You’re just too too funny tonight.

P:

R108 so now you have decided that there are two kinds of gay people. Gay democrats = bad. Gay republicans (as long as they stay in the closet) = good? Is that you newest argument.

Wow, that is the most pathetically lame argument you have ever posted. You have no proof whatsoever and just throw lies out there.

Well, as usual, you lie to mislead. I said just the opposite, so you admit that the Dems targeting of only gay Republicans is lame? I agree with you on that one. For the Dems, their gays are OK, even if they are pedophiles(NAMBLA), but gay Republicans who flirt with teenage boys over the age of consent, and who wait until they are of age to actually approach them is “evil”. Nice double standard, and exceedingly lame. If the Dem gays only flirted with young men, there is no crime. That’s my position. I just have the same standard for both parties, unlike you and the rest of the hypocritical Dems.

Keep apologizing for your party’s utter lack of leadership. It is, after all, what you do best, R108.

And I’m still waiting for some leadership from you and the rest of the Dems against NAMBLA(the real pedophiles). Cleanse them from your Party, and then maybe you will have something worthwhile to talk about.

R108 so now you have decided that there are two kinds of gay people. Gay democrats = bad. Gay republicans (as long as they stay in the closet) = good? Is that you newest argument.

Wow, that is the most pathetically lame argument you have ever posted. You have no proof whatsoever and just throw lies out there.

The Foley scandal is all yours. Oh and I forgot to add Duke Cunningham to your 2006 all star Republican list.

Keep apologizing for your party’s utter lack of leadership. It is, after all, what you do best, R108.

This has been a most enjoyable thread watching you squirm and twist and support Foley, Hastert, Ney, Delay, Cunningham, Abramoff, Ralston, Libby. Gosh, all in one year, the year of accountability and family values of the Republican party. A grand ole party she is!