Why Is The Federal Government Buying Up So Much Ammo?

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According to Andrew Malcolm, writing for Investor’s Business Daily, the Department of Homeland Security has enough ammo for a 24-year Iraq war, and they’re still buying more.

In a puzzling, unexplained development, the Obama administration has been buying and storing vast amounts of ammunition in recent months, with the Department of Homeland Security just placing another order for an additional 21.6 million rounds.

Several other agencies of the federal government also began buying large quantities of bullets last year. The Social Security Administration, for instance, not normally considered on the frontlines of anything but dealing with seniors, explained that its purchase of millions of rounds was for special agents’ required quarterly weapons qualifications. They must be pretty poor shots.

But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions. Indeed, Examiner writer Ryan Keller points out Janet Napolitano’s agency illegally redacted information from some ammunition solicitation forms following media inquiries.

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That’s sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.

To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, DHS is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war.

A lot of conspiracy theories are being touted in response to this seemingly excessive stockpiling, most having to do with the government declaring martial law, etc., etc.

But I think the explanation is much simpler. I think the Obama administration is just running up the price of ammo. These massive government buys are taking place amid, may very well be causing, a national ammo shortage. I think the goal of anti-gun activists, up to and including President Obama, is to make gun purchases, ownership and use harder in every way they can.

Buying up all the ammo is just part of the strategy.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Onslaught1066

    Because Americans are hard to kill?

    • camsaure

      The American spirit is hard to kill.

  • PK

    If your theory is correct, why wouldn’t the DOD just put bids out for 20 billion bullets and send officers to every manufacturer and ask every one to put all their resources into making them for top dollar? That wouldn’t look nearly as suspicious as DHS buying all this ammo. Wouldn’t you agree that if there’s a collapse of the dollar, martial law would probably have to be declared in many areas to restore order? It would be chaos in the big cities. Why does everything you don’t agree with have to be called a “conspiracy theory”? Remember Obama saying this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

    • $8194357

      Yup…
      Barrys private army..
      Equipped as good or better than the US military….
      Gestapo for the Cloward/Piven cause…..

      • borborygmi

        Does his private army have heavy armor or air superiority? Otherwise they won’t be going very far.

        • $8194357

          Ask him gurgle.
          he’s replacing his top command at a record pace…
          The litmus test?
          Since 1993……
          will you follow orders to shoot American citizens and work with
          the UN blue beannies on American soil…
          If the answer is “yes” get to the front of the promotional line…
          If the answer is “no”.
          Take your retirement option and…..
          Get out now…..

          • borborygmi

            Obama was President in 93. Didn’t know that.

          • Heartlander

            Oh, please, borborygmi. We’re not morons. Most folks here know that the “New World Order” has been coming for quite some time. Bush 41 was obviously globalist. It’s just that Obama has made a LOT of folks wake up. He’s so in-your-face brazen about it, and is punishing the country so badly, that it’s no longer deniable. People who never listened to warnings all through the ’90s are listening now.

          • $8194357

            10X 2 tru 4 marxist public skool..

          • SusanBeehler

            Yes they are not morons, because the “New World Order” has been talked about for almost 2000 years and it is coming any minute. Everyone was sleeping a little for those 2000 years and now they are wide awake! What happened to all the people who did not listen to the warnings in the 70’s and then back in the 1800’s the Millerites, no was listening to them either except for those who kept hanging out in the field waiting for the end which was soon to come, then they died. Let’s not forget about the guys in the new tennis shoes on the bunk beds waiting for their spaceship. Rumors of war? Where have I heard this before?

          • PK

            Let’s not compare the comet/spaceship tragedy with Biblical prophecy and people who believe that the anti-Christ’s reign is near. Everyone’s entitled to their own perceptions of the world.

          • SusanBeehler

            Why not? It is all based FEAR, not faith, negative, not positive, evil, not good.

          • PK

            Well not really.

            “so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast”

            It’s not bad to be aware. We live in a digital age with the entire monetary system on computers. There could be a cashless society tomorrow, where everyone has to get government approval to make transactions and cash is banned. The infrastructure is in place. Don’t compare someone recognizing this system, and the people behind it, as dangerous, to people committing suicide to hitch a ride on the Star Trek Enterprise.

          • PK

            “No one’s talking about banning cash!”, said SusanBeehler.

            Ha, i beat you to it.

            http://www.infowars.com/turn-in-your-bin-ladens-what-if-using-cash-becomes-a-crime/

          • slackwarerobert

            I haven’t seen any proof they didn’t make it to hale bob.

          • borborygmi

            x10 Susan For a suppose rational bunch who rant about emotional decisions they sure are emotional.

          • SusanBeehler

            They like to dish but sure can’t handle it back at them, then they want to go buy more guns and more ammo, because they got real scared!

            Boo! I am the boogeyman.

          • Hal414

            No, you are acting like a crackpot who got shut down at the legislature for babbling gibberish.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Lil MsSuzyB babbling gibberish? Rolling her eyes and gnashing her teeth in public?

            No…. say it ain’t so!

          • Onslaught1066

            Like I said. if you were to only get out of bed more often that every 3 days, who know what you might know by now.

          • SusanBeehler

            Maybe he would be Christ?

          • Onslaught1066

            Non Sequitur.

          • $8194357

            I thought you were begining to understand that the POTUS is a puppet to the international olagarchy. Apparently your marxist democratic loyalty still blinds you…

    • PK

      By the way, you can get all the guns and ammo you want if you’re willing to pay 300%-400% more than prices of 3 months ago. The brief shortage is due to the American people responding the the government’s gun control push by buying way more than usual, and the manufactures are struggling to keep up. It’s not the government amassing munitions that’s causing it, it’s us. The American people normally buy way more than 1.8 billion bullets every year and this year is exceptionally high.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        I am hearing stories of people buying .223 cartridges by the pallet.

        • devilschild

          It may be a great investment opportunity … if you can find any.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Small purchases can still be made in out-of-the-way places, and places that sometimes stock ammunition, sometimes not, like hardware stores. I am also hearing that it is getting difficult to get reloading equipment.

          • John_Wayne_American

            no 9mm press dies, 8 weeks out everywhere, no small pistol primers bullets are scarce, I suppose you could cast you own. The .223 brass is 30 plus dollars per hundred, I used to pay 8 for a box of 50 ready to shoot!

          • $8194357

            Marxist crony capitalism using ‘government puppets’
            to enrich themselves…….
            When Marx met Wall Street in 1908…
            Illuminati madness on a global scale.

          • borborygmi

            Aren’t you glad you have a choice with your disposable income.

          • $8194357

            Brass, powder, primmers and bullets are scarce and expensive.
            Can’t find a set of $30 .223 dies anywhere but on the internet for
            a $100 plus….

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Get ‘em!

          • $8194357

            I have %98 of what I shoot covered already..
            Just short a small amount of reloading stuff and equipment..

          • slackwarerobert

            That is why I built my hydrolic press, now I can stamp out all the brass I will ever need. Should have it automated this year so I can let it make my ammo unattended. I’m working on electronic ignition so I don’t need primers now.

          • $8194357

            Modern.
            I will stick to the old.
            Works for me.

        • borborygmi

          fearful lemmings one and all

          • $8194357

            Blind a$$ apoligist leftist lemmings one and all….
            Lenin’s useful fool tools….

        • John_Wayne_American

          BS, you cannot buy more than 3 boxes at a time, at any retail store that actually has them on the self, it doesn’t matter how much money you have, if it isn’t on the shelf, you cant buy it. The online stores are sold out and backorder lists are long. You used to be able to buy it by the pallet, but those were the good old dayz.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Obviously not at a retail store. I doubt that there ever has been a retail store that stocked a pallet of a single caliber outside of maybe TX. A person with connections and a whole lot of money—which often goes together. Black marketeering is probably getting into gear.

          • borborygmi

            Black Market is always in gear and the purest form of free market capitalism. You should be happy dealing in the black market.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Indeed I am. And I get better quality products. Happy to see that you understand the black market. It could save your life.

          • borborygmi

            yep it could

          • PK

            Ever heard of gunbroker.com?

          • $8194357

            Prices are high there for sure tho.
            try auctionarms.com
            They are steep as well.

          • SusanBeehler

            Guess not

          • SusanBeehler

            I would have thought you would have figured out how to shop online!

      • borborygmi

        Thanks hysterical gun buyers. My stock portfolio looks brighter because of you. Thanks for stimulating the economy. ooop Thanks to President Obama for stimulating the economy.

    • SusanBeehler

      I really wonder why all the gun nutters are buying up all the ammo and guns they are, because they keep on talking about taking up arms against the government. Do you think these gun nutters driven to buy are planning on a war against the government?

      • PK

        No i don’t think any sane person is planning an offensive war against the Federal or any State government. Many people have drawn a line in the sand with the 2nd Amendment though. Semi-automatics and the feeding devices used in them are it for most gun owners. We’re not turning anything in and people are arming themselves just in case the government is dumb enough to try and take them. Confiscation of certain things has been talked about by people in government, so please don’t deny that and say it’s paranoia. I see everything backfiring on the gun control pushers to the point where we’ll probably have a much bigger gun culture and guns in most schools and public areas, either by police or CC citizens. I would worry more about the economy collapsing due to the incompetence of the Federal Government and the resulting chaos, or a nuclear world war, more than an asymmetrical war waged by gun owners. Most people are good out there.

        • PK

          But if the proposed gun control bills are passed and if the NY bill isn’t repealed, as many people in government have warned, it will lead to mass non-compliance and possible Waco style standoffs. If the government wages aggressive military sieges on the American people, especially if unmanned drone strikes start happening on US soil, there will be organized GOVERNMENT resistance to it, starting from the township and county levels, all the way up to state secession all over the country. That will lead to a civil war based off history. Let’s hope the gun grabbers back off.

          • PK

            To go further, it could very well lead to a large world disruption as well. If a civil war were to happen, much of the military will defect and come home to honor their oath. We could be looking at over half of the armed forces coming to the American peoples aid, which would give other superpowers a perfect opportunity to secure strategic assets. Like i said, hopefully they leave us alone.

        • SusanBeehler

          Slavery used to be talked about too. Confiscation is NOT being talked about NOW! If most people are good why wouldn’t a ban on the “assault type guns”, a limit to ten round magazines, universal background checks, and reporting of mass purchases of ammo to the ATF be bad?

          • PK

            Please read this article.

            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57568322/calif-lawmakers-seek-toughest-gun-laws-in-nation/

            “Lawmakers also want to make some prohibitions apply to current gun owners, not just to people who buy weapons in the future.”

            Wouldn’t some prohibitions applying to current gun owners result in forfeiture or seizure? To answer your question, it would be bad because Congressman and children get put on the no-fly list. The government doesn’t need more laws, they need to enforce the thousands that are already on the books.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Meanwhile we pile laws on top of laws until we don’t recall what the original laws were intended for… sort of like geological processes like sedimentation.

            Until we live in a society where ANYONE can be arrested for long forgotten felonies which no one even remembers as law.

            As it is now many of us break laws every day and don’t even realize it.

          • SusanBeehler

            So you are LaPierre’s mouth piece, the guy who worked with Democrat McGovern? The guy telling you “they need to enforce the thousands that are already on the books.” The guy who does not really like guns but likes politics, your that guy’s “parrot”. You state “lawmakers” and refer to one states’ ideas, California. No prohibitions do not mean confiscation your buddy LaPierre wants you to believe that too. California currently confiscates guns from criminals. If a gun is banned it means they will no longer manufacture it and you would not be able to sell it or transfer to another owner, what is wrong with that? What California does is not what is or has been introduced to congress? You do know how to look up federal legislation don’t you?

          • PK

            Well actually, i’m not a member of the NRA. They’ve supported gun control in the past and i don’t agree with everything they believe. If i’m “parroting” anything, it’s just data. So there isn’t over 20,000 some gun/weapon laws already? That guy who shot those firefighters with a stolen AR-15, wasn’t a felon that killed his grandmother with a hammer and was let lose into society? Hmm, will you join me in thanking the government for protecting us from a known murderer?

          • SusanBeehler

            Also it was a “law-abiding” gun owner who bought the gun he used. Thank the “law abiding” gun owners for that little hiccup in law enforcement.

          • PK

            Do you blame rape victims too? Banks get robbed quite often around the world. Criminals will be able to get whatever they want and you blame our right to have an AR-15 for a released murderer stealing one and killing firefighters? He killed his grandma with a hammer. He was released from prison. And it’s the gun owners fault for him murdering again. I guess that makes sense, thank you for changing my entire opinion on this.

          • SusanBeehler

            Did I say I blame you? Rape has nothing to do with the discussion. From what I read on this blog a few of you want to blame the victims of Sandy Hook for not being armed. Responsible gun owners are responsible; they obey the law. But if you have people walking around with mental illness in your home, do you keep sharp objects, guns and other hazards laying around for them to get at. Both incidents you cited have an indirect relationship of careless gun owners or legal purchasers. The minute your gun leaves your hands and is in another who is mentally unstable, bad things could happen. So what do you do? Do you leave the guns available for those who are unwilling to keep their guns out of the hands of the bad guy and freely transfer them or do you do something different? If we can’t lock up all the mentally ill and bad guys; we can at least remove from the market place the weapons which can cause the most destruction. Which is easier to secure a gun in a safe place or lock someone up because they might do something? It is common sense.

          • PK

            Ok, so you’re suggesting “remove from the market place the weapons”. You’re advocating taking my right to buy an AR-15 because murderers who’ve been let out of prison steal guns to kill people. Your mentality is much more dangerous than anyone’s guns. By the way, do you know how easy it is to make a bombs with commercially purchased, easily accessible materials? Let’s just turn the whole society into a prison because there’s bad people out there.

          • SusanBeehler

            Just like I would have “advocate your belief it is your RIGHT” to take a way a sawed off shotgun or a machine gun. Rights are regulated and can be regulated. Do you know how easy it is to make METH and they now regulate my right to buy Sudafed in a quantity which the government has decided? Sudafed never used to be regulated now it is. Let’s make it more difficult for the “bad people” to do bad things, that is what I advocate. Use another kind of gun if you can’t have the AR-15; they all can shoot things. Did you beller when moma took your BB gun when you started shooting at a neighbor kid too?

          • PK

            You’re ignorant. The drug war has really worked hasn’t it? Prohibition doesn’t work and there’s more drugs on our streets than ever before. It’s a perfect example that gun control won’t end crime. It will just take law-abiding citizens right to the best equipment we have to defend ourselves and the State. Don’t take my right to buy an AR-15 away because there are criminals. Your last sentence sums up your complete misunderstanding of the issue and shows your disdain for American’s right to have weapons. You think every gun owner is a criminal in the making. You’re the only dangerous person commenting on this site, because you would cheer on a war against the American people’s guns.

          • slackwarerobert

            I don’t blame the victim, but they chose not to shoot the attacker. If they prefer to be raped twice by the guy, and then by the state later, more power to them. I prefer a hollow point between the nads to convince them to stop. They rob banks because the banks have a stupid policy of handing over the money. Change to a policy to you wont live to get to the door, and they will stop robbing banks.

        • Hellboy

          The Department of Homeland Security just recently ordered another 1 million plus rounds of ammo on top of the already 1 + Billion rounds it has in the queue….. I don’t believe for a minute that the intent is to control the population by threat, rather….. it is to create an “artificial” shortage in ammo to further the gun control agenda. If ammo is not available, guns are useless unless you use them as clubs…. You tax dollars at work……… against you…..

          • PK

            Well like i said in a comment above, it would make a lot more sense to have to DOD make the purchase, rather than DHS. But not a small purchase like 1.8 billion rounds, but 20 billion. Americans buy more than 10 billion every normal year, so i don’t find that argument convincing. A more logical, harmless explanation could be the government is just stocking up for a few years in case there’s a disruption in the system like a larger war, financial collapse, solar storm, etc.

      • borborygmi

        Its for defense only. At least for most. They really are harmless. The NRA suggested better screening for mental health issues. Wait until the gov’t has a brain scan and psycological profile done for a baseline, for all gun owners. Then have to repeat it every 4 years just to make sure they aren’t wacko. THen you will hear some howling…

        • $8194357

          There it is gurgle….
          Now your catching on..
          Blend in with the indoctrinated lemmings or be branded
          anti government/anti social by the same folks running the scams…

      • slackwarerobert

        Not me, I am planning on restoring my government. If they choose to fight rather than acknowledge the constitution it is on their heads. But I have no use for a semi AR in that conflict because I plan on winning.

  • $8194357

    Ammo and “select fire” AR’s..
    ya know…The “real Assault Weapons”….
    Hollow points the military are outlawed from using as well…..
    They have enought to shoot every American five or six times to make sure
    we don’t re-produce and spread our Constitutional Rule of Law doctrines, huh….

    • borborygmi

      You know you aren’t following your own logic. IF the bankers , the trilateral commission and whatever else is backing the ‘takeover’ they wouldn’t risk a civil war in the US. Too easy for their interests to be destroyed.

      • PK

        Yes it’s risky, but a financial collapse, leading to a civil war would create the perfect storm to bring in a dictatorship. Starting and controlling revolutions and civil wars to bring in a new, worse, system has been a common tool of statecraft throughout history.

        • borborygmi

          You have it correct but your assumption is wrong. Risky wouldn’t be in their vocabulary.

          • $8194357

            Ever do any triage?
            Globalist life over nationalist limb.
            The rule of thumb we learned in EMT class…
            This is a GLOBAL agenda and A free America and Israel
            stand in the way of its completion….
            Read it in a Book…..

          • borborygmi

            They would be doing the triage and won’t cut off there head. They wouldn’t be into self sacrifice for the ‘greater good’.

      • $8194357

        They may just feel its time for “arab spring” in America, huh…

        • borborygmi

          OR…..Ask yourself why are the conspiracy theorist doing this. Could they be part of the conspiracy> Useful pawns being manipulated by the people who are making the money Arms dealers and manufacturers. While saying they are worried about the Coming Dictatorship they are actually part of the plan fomenting insurrection in the name of keeping with the Constitution but really trying to instigate armed rebellion thus allowing the gov’t the reason they need to declare marshall law while also exposing the whole chain of conspirators when they arm themselves against the gov’t. Less work then investigating, arms dealers and manufacturers clean up (probably gold speculators also). The manufacturers of modular homes will be able to make millions by providing shelter for the Gulags under the guise of providing homes for the Bakken. Sneaky very sneaky.

          • $8194357

            Mock what you don’t understand fart bubble…
            In plain sight..
            Out in the open…
            The “thing” called by “another name” is still the same thing…
            Just re branded and sold to a new generation of Lenin’s
            useful idiot fool tools and Cloward/Piven cannon fodder for the cause.

          • borborygmi

            You are just so blind you don’t see it. Such a pity. Such a useful pawn.

          • $8194357

            How Alinsky of you gurgle..
            Take historical accurate truth I have been telling
            you for so long and turn it around on me like that…
            leftist lemming useful idiot.

    • headward

      Homeland security might be able to buy hollow point ammo. But it is illegal for the military because of the treaties we have.

      • $8194357

        Yup

    • slackwarerobert

      That was their mistake, sandra fluke types will spread for anyone and anything. give her a couple of m&m’s, tell her they are morning after pills, and before she knows it we have a new batch of freedom fighters.

  • $8194357

    Ever notice when the DHS needs more AR’s and ammo they go for the full auto
    30 round magazines and call them “personal defense weapons”?

    And ya wonder why we civilians are suffering from a ammo shortage?

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/dhs-solicits-for-another-2-6-million-rounds-of-ammo/

    Paul Joseph Watson helps to put the quantities of ammunition purchased
    by DHS into perspective:

    An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities.

    To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.

    Such massive quantities of ammo purchases have stoked fears that the agency is preparing for some kind of domestic unrest. In 2011, Department of Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano directed Immigration and Customs Enforcement to prepare for a mass influx of immigrants into the United States, calling for the plan to deal with the “shelter” and “processing” of large numbers of people.

    Just recently DHS put in a solicitation for 7,000 “personal defense weapons” that shoot 5.56 NATO ammunition that have “fire select” capability along with high capacity 30 round magazines. Remember these are for “homeland” use, not foreign.

    Back in December DHS solicited for 250 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition.

    In September, DHS solicited for nearly 200 million rounds of sniper ammunition.

    In August 750 million rounds of high power ammunition were also solicited and in March DHS solicited 450 million rounds of hollow point bullets.

  • Roy_Bean

    It’s possible that Obama will only serve 2 terms and if the next President is a Republican we can count on lots of cheap surplus ammo on the market.

    • $8194357

      Optimist thinking on your part Roy, IMO…
      I hope your right tho…

      • slackwarerobert

        When they were going to shred the brass so I would have less competition for it and could pick it up cheaper the rino’s stopped them. They always go for higher costs to us.

    • 1911bullseye

      Sell it he’ll. they’ll give it to Egypt or some other belligerent country if they don’t use it.

      • sbark

        I would hope they drop it via chutes into remote Iran……so the next time those “patriots” want to overthrow them religous Leftists……they got the means to get’r done
        ………dont leave hang em’ out to dry like ‘Bama did

    • 1911bullseye

      Sell it he$&. It will be given to Egypt or some other country. Either way it will be at a loss.

    • banjo kid

      I sincerely hope that will happen but I will not hold my breathe.

    • Heartlander

      Roy Bean, I think you’re living in fantasy land.

  • ec99

    Get real. In advance of the sequestration the D o D has signed numerous contracts with General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and others for everything from ammo to planes to ships.

    • toomuchguvmint

      DOD is not the DHS. DHS is a new major purchaser of billions of rounds. Read the IBD article.

  • borborygmi

    You are probably right. Although if done correctly corner the market on ammo, run up the price and then sell making a tidy profit. Or……..Its the gulag or the firing squad for those against Obama. Either way the conspiracy theorists are going to flood this thread.

    • Hal414

      When was the last time the government sold ammunition? Your theory doesn’t make sense.

      • borborygmi

        just as much as much as jack booted thugs with Blue UN helmets coming to get your guns.

      • slackwarerobert

        Obamas first term, what do you think the drug cartels put in those assault weapons? Last week, you don’t think those jets didn’t come with bullets he gave to the terrorists do you?

    • $8194357

      So says the oracle gurgle…
      Or you got gas again?

    • $8194357

      What conspiracy fart bubble?

      WHAT AGENDA?
      Take any basic liberal death-based agenda,
      and add a crisis to exploit.

      1. Destroy the traditional family;
      2. Undermine religion and co-opt it;
      3. Confiscation of guns;
      4. Control of health care;
      5. Control of the media;
      6. Control of education.

      All proceeding apace,
      some close to full realization.

      The U.S. is a Marxist revolutionary wet-dream emotion-driven,
      hoodwinking the hysterical useful idiots.
      This country is “ripe” for the picking apoligist…

      • borborygmi

        Traditional family: Yep still have mine as do my sons
        Undermine religiion: Yep I can go to ANY Church any time
        Confiscation of Guns: Still have mine how about you
        Control of Healthcare: See Dr. regular. Not as healthy as I could be
        but you might be on to something if Insurance Companies are a part of the Lateral Commission.
        Control of Media: Well you got me there Fox is definitely controlled and of course all the Right Wing radio.
        Control of Education: Choices Public, Private, Religious or Home Educated

        • $8194357

          You sure you weren’t in Russia talking your apoligist crap
          all the way to the death camps in another life fart bubble?

          • borborygmi

            I just like to live in reality. Everything written above is true. I have had nothing taken away, I have raised my kids appropriately. All are Church going and believe in God. All have been schooled in public and private educational systems. THey are frugal with their money and they make a lot more then I do. Media is controlled by money. Media is more expansive then ever. Health Care is controlled…by the insurance companies. I still have my guns and don’t fear anyone taking them away. I still can vote for who I want. Apparently you have failed someplace along the line and wish to blame something.

          • $8194357

            Ideoligical agendas move slow so you and your indoctrinated
            left brain folks don’t notice them. alot of folks are “waking up” under Barrys rush to get er done…Deep sleep patterns for the rest of you.
            The red pill or the blue for you?

          • borborygmi

            One pill makes me smaller, one pill makes me tall, the one that mother gives you doesn’t do anything at all.

          • $8194357

            Go ask Alice…

          • borborygmi

            She is part of the Illuminati . I mean if your are talking to hookah smoking caterpillers you have to be illuminated.

          • $8194357

            Never did trust that rabbit neither..

    • borborygmi

      Either way the conspiracy theorists are going to flood this thread. Oh and I was right on this although it didn’t take a nostradamus to predict it.

  • sbark

    The Drones are for dissadents………

    The bullets are to be against Patriots and capitalists…….

    those that crossover inbetween the two…….will get both

    Just take notice of the correlation with QE 1,2,3,4.(printing money)………and the purchase of guns and Ammo by the same Govt that is doing the printing–not a 1st in history thats for sure.

    • $8194357

      Following the tried and true patterns of the past.

    • SusanBeehler

      Are you a Patriot if you talk about treason?

      • two_amber_lamps

        Oh hey there lil SuzyB! Suspending the 1st Amendment again?

        TOTALITARIAN.

        Now shush… the big people are talking about important things and nobody cares about what your cat did.

        • SusanBeehler

          Are you a Patriot? No suspending the 1st Amendment, answer the question. Are you a Patriot if you talk about treason?

          • two_amber_lamps

            It is treason to talk of overthrowing the constitution. You speak of subverting the 2nd Amendment. Therefore you court treason.

            So you tell me, is it patriotic to talk about treason?

          • SusanBeehler

            How is regulating something subverting the 2nd Amendment? I bet you are all into the regulating of a woman’s uterus too? When my right to live is being subverted by another person’s right to own an object, whose right is more?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Sweet Jesus you’re stupid… what part of “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” do you fail to comprehend?

            The rest of your incoherent babbling is irrelevant to the topic on hand… stay on track my crazed “friend.”

          • SusanBeehler

            PUBLIC safety comes first. Taking the Constitution out of context, “shall not be infringed.” what do you fail to understand about “well regulated”

          • Hal414

            “well regulated militia” You forgot the militia part. Then “the right of the people shall not be infringed” Learn to read Susan.

          • SusanBeehler

            I am glad your laxative is working for you and you are “well regulated” . If you want to be part of a “militia” join the armed forces.

          • Hal414

            You would be funny if you weren’t so uneducated.

          • Jon

            The definition of “militia” is basically a force that is NOT the government controlled armed forces.

          • SusanBeehler

            Saul Cornell, PhD, Fordham University Paul & Diane
            Guenther Chair in American History, and the foremost authority on the 2nd
            Amendment

            “The Second Amendment does not bar regulation. Guns have always
            been regulated. After the adoption of the Second Amendment gun laws got
            tougher, not more lax. Even in Dodge city, the symbol of the Wild West,
            gun control was the norm. You had to check firearms when entering the city limits.”

          • two_amber_lamps

            What part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand?

            What part of “well regulated militia” have anything to do with the individual rights to ownership of a firearm? Do you understand that the right to own firearms are merely codified in the Constitution? Do you understand that the 1st Amendment and 2nd Amendment as well as the rest of the Bill of Rights are UNDERSTOOD to be GOD-Given rights? Not rights merely apportioned to the individual by a man or a piece of paper.

            But of course you don’t understand that.

            As to various gun laws, I’ve explained this to you before. Reread our previous conversations on this matter since I’m tired of repeating myself and you seem too dense to absorb the content.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Argumentum ad verecundiam

            Hooray!! You found one “foremost” authority (lol!) who agrees with you. I’m sure a certain “Constitutional” Attorney (BHO) who also agrees with you and his policies have been found unconstitutional.

            Just because local ordinances forbid the possession of firearms doesn’t make it Constitutional… ask the bolsheviks of Chicago about the violation of their constituents’ 2nd Amendment Rights….

            http://www.suntimes.com/13285781-761/judge-strikes-down-part-of-chicago-gun-law.html

            I’d say those Dodge City anti-gun ordinances sound quite unconstitutional given the findings cited in the above ruling.

          • SusanBeehler

            So what God do worship who gives “rights” to own weapons which can be used for killing. The God I worship allows choice to choose his path or the other, and Says Thou shall not KiLL.

          • Jon

            It’s actually “Thou shalt not murder”. Big difference.

          • SusanBeehler

            I don’t think their is a big difference, both end a life and both can be against man’s law and God’s law. It depends on what translation you read too, how it is worded, Thou shall not kill

          • two_amber_lamps

            The same who gave us swords, rocks, arrows… etc.

            God gave man the intelligence to defend himself and forage for food, etc. Gave him self-reliance.

            Thou shalt not kill, but thank the greatest leftist of them all (Satan) for the sin of murder.

            Then you’d sooner we all be stupid, helpless chimpanzees… left to the whims of an authoritarian government.

          • SusanBeehler

            So if someone is throwing rocks on the playground, do you take the rocks away are do you give all the children rocks to throw at each other? Common Sense What would you do? WWJD

          • Lianne

            Susan, common sense would tell most of us that it is not possible to remove all the rocks from not only school yards, but from the universe. Common sense would tell most of us that dicipline followed by instruction about how it is wrong to throw rocks.

          • SusanBeehler

            I was not talking the universe, common sense would tell you I was referring to a playground. Common sense also dictates “more” is not the answer. What does your “sense” tell you to give the kid the rock back?

          • Lianne

            Common sense would tell ME that a child would need to learn that it is wrong to throw rocks whether he /she is on the playground, on the street, in a parking lot, or wants to throw it at a house, an animal, vehicle, person, etc. So removing rocks from the play ground teaches NOTHING. Discpline , the instruction in right from wrong, and in self-control are the common sense approaches so the child learns that rocks belong and are needed on the ground, not in the air as a missile.

          • SusanBeehler

            Just like guns and bullets are needed?

          • Lianne

            You orginally made the ridiculous comparison with rocks.

          • SusanBeehler

            Both are a weapon, ask David if it was a “ridiculous” rock which hit Goliath

          • slackwarerobert

            You are right, not more, BETTER is the way you stay safe.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Methinks Lil MsSuzyBS’er had many a rock thrown at her as a child… a few obviously hit her in the grape.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            When Suzy Clueless talks about “common sense,” put the emphasis on “common,” ’cause common she is; sensible, she is not.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Your argument is invalid, you have no common sense.

          • slackewarerobert

            You shoot the one throwing rocks at you. Why would I want an innocent child forced to be at a disadvantage to a known attacker. That is why we have guns so we don’t have to worry about bullies.

          • Lianne

            Is there anyone else who wishes that Susan would have followed through with her statement back in December when she said she had completed her work on the gun control study and no further statements would be made?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            That would be the Christian God. Jesus told his disciples to buy swords, which, the last time I looked, were “weapons which can be used for killing”.

            And in Romans 13:4 “For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.”

            As Jon said, the commandment is properly understood to be “Thou shalt not murder”

          • SusanBeehler

            WWJD

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Buy a sword, if you can believe the Gospels. Or maybe make a scourge of small cords. One thing he wouldn’t do is copy something on the Internet and then lie about where he got it from to bolster a weak argument. Get the beam out of your own eye, Suziekins. Then you can worry about the motes in everyone else’s. .

          • $8194357

            10X

          • ellinas1

            Romans 13:5 “Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.’

          • slackwarerobert

            My God gave me the right to bear warms. Ever hear of Honor they father? It isn’t Jesus’s place to question his dad. If God is OK with upholding mans law, who am I do say he is wrong. He didn’t tell rome they can’t try his son on trumped up charges, he told his son, sucks to be you sometimes.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            If you check out my comment below, or check him out in wiki as dear Suzie did, you’ll find that no one there claims he is “foremost”. Suzie gave him that title to bolster her weak arguments.

          • SusanBeehler

            I was quoting what was said at a recent panel discussion, you don’t like the word “foremost’ take it up with the people who introduced him, quoted him.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Funny how your quote was word for word from wiki except the “foremost” nonsense. Funny how what you remembered was said at a “panel” was word for word from wiki, except where you attributed him to be the “foremost”.

            He’s your “expert”, Suziekins. If you want to claim he’s the foremost authority on anything, then you need to be prepared to back it up. And if you want to plagiarize wiki and then pretend you heard it someplace else, which you also didn’t identify, *cough* bogus! *cough*, I just heard the foremost authority on BS at a recent panel, and he called it on you.

          • SusanBeehler

            How do you think those words get on wiki? Who can post those words? I did not claim he was “foremost” I was quoting an attendee, that is what she said. O great cut and past guy doesn’t mean everyone does the same thing you do. Proof of what you think you know?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            So, are you saying you wrote the wiki post now? You were “quoting” an attendee. And failed to give the source you copied from.

            Your projection about denial is more understandable now. BTW, if you were quoting “yourself” from wiki, how did you manage to get it wrong?

            Look, if you want to bloviate and make up facts that you cannot corroborate, fine! Just don’t expect anyone to believe you, Susan Be Lying. Or is your “style” to throw in a hard return or two, for no reason in the middle of sentences and people’s names?

            Go argue with shower mold Suzie. Don’t cry when you lose.

          • SusanBeehler

            I did not copy from a internet page and I did not write the wiki post. I got it from a conversation in a email from a friend. I did not get it wrong, because I did not copy it from Wiki. Give me your name and your email address and I will have them send it to you directly. I am not crying you sound like the baby, I want, I wanna, I wanna know your source? Give me your name and email, put up or shut up. Your choice.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I just got back from a panel on Internet frauds. Someone there said you were a dipwad. It must be true, because here it is in my notes! You claimed someone to be the “foremost authority” on the second amendment, but still haven’t come up with a name of anyone who made the claim. Was it his Mom? Does he himself make the claim??

            You say you have an email from a “friend”, did this friend say it or would she be quoting your anonymous source again? After all, if some guy said it on a panel, it must be true! /sarc And I get and send emails all the time…forwarding me an email won’t make it true.

            If you like, I can send you an email that I am the world’s foremost authority on foremost authorities. Then, you can quote me to all your little friends!

            According to whom, exactly, is this guy, that I never heard of before today, the “foremost authority” on the second amendment? The onus is on you. You’re the one who quoted him as the “foremost authority”. If you have no idea what these words mean, maybe you shouldn’t be using them! Put up or shut up. Your choice. (Frankly, I prefer “shut up”, since you don’t add much to the conversation other than your peculiar form of hysteria.)

          • SusanBeehler

            So the one who called me a “dipwad” is he a “foremost authority” on Susan Beehler or just people he believes are a “foremost authority” on something. You want the source give me your name and email. Why do you think it was a “he”?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You are the Queen of the Dipwards! For example, there is your inability to read! You said, ” Why do you think it was a “he”?” after I said,

            “You say you have an email from a “friend”, did this friend say it or would she be quoting your anonymous source again?”

            Suziekins, you are a dipwad, liar, flake or joke. (Or some combination of the four) If you have a source, you can post it here. You posted your claim here, you can post the evidence here if you have any. Better yet, don’t. But, don’t hold you breath waiting for me to give you my email address, so you can fill my inbox twice as fast with your blather.

          • SusanBeehler

            I am not posting a source to someone who cannot or will not reveal his “name” for all I know you are a mass “shooter”. You can post evidence of who you are, if you have a source for yourself. You want proof and you won’t even prove who you are. You have some trust issues? Yes it was from a friend but if you care to look outside your narrow view of the world you could find more information about the “foremost”.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I’m asking you to cite the source your friend cited unless she did it herself, in which case, it is as useless as you claiming it. I have no desire to have your little friends email me and tell me, “Yeah, I heard it too!” That’s not valid evidence that this guy is a foremost anything.

            For you to say you cannot provide that information without me first giving you my email address, makes you a first class loon, Susan Be Crazy.

            I want “proof” because that’s the way adults converse on the Internet. Someone posits something, and when challenged, they support their assertion with evidence. If you have no real evidence, just say so, and quit bothering me. Toddle off now, Susan Be Wasting Our Time.

          • Jon

            Why don’t you just paste it here? Only want to be exposed as a fraud to one person at a time?

          • SusanBeehler

            Because just like you using only your first name not all people are willing to endure the crap those on this blog like to throw at people. I can see it already, the person is identified, (yes a person not a fake avatar a real person with feelings) Proof would say prove you heard what you wrote, put a link to it, and than someone else would drum in and say you are an idiot they did not say that, than some else would say you are retarded. Yeah I am goin to expose someone to these assholes who are such chicken doo doo they cannot use their real name. They tell me their name and their email I will get permission from my friend to see if they want to be interrogated by the “truth seekers” on this blog. Do your own research if you don’t want to share your real name. The speakers were real, the university is real and it really happened, I talked to someone who attended and they gave me their notes on the event. I am the “foremost” authority this is what I said. Believe it or not.

          • $8194357

            http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/why-congress-may-lawfully-require-citizens-to-buy-guns-ammunition-but-not-to-submit-to-obamacare/

            The Constitution Authorizes Congress To Require Citizens to Buy Guns and Ammunition.

            In 1792, Congress passed “An Act more effectually to provide for the National Defense by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States”.2 This Act required all able-bodied male citizens (except for federal officers and employees) between the ages of 18 and under 45 to enroll in their State Militia, get a gun and ammunition, and train.

            Does Congress have authority in the Constitution to require this? Yes! Article I, Sec. 8, clause 16 says Congress has the Power:

            “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;” [boldface mine]

            That is what authorizes Congress to require adult male citizens to buy guns and ammunition.

            As Section 1 of the Militia Act of 1792 reflects, the “Militia” is the citizenry! Our Framers thought it such a fine idea that The People be armed, that they required it by law! See, e.g., the second half of Federalist Paper No. 46 where James Madison, Father of Our Constitution, speaks of how wonderful it is that the American People are armed – and why they need to be. 3

            So! In the case of Congress’ requiring adult citizens to buy guns and ammunition, Congress has specific authority under Art. I, Sec. 8, cl.16.

            In the case of Congress’ requiring ship owners who use the federal dock-Yards to pay the fees to fund the marine hospitals at the dock-Yards, Congress is granted by Art. I, Sec.8, next to last clause, a general legislative power over the federal enclaves, such as dock-Yards.4

            But for the country at large, Congress has no broad grant of legislative powers. There, Congress’ powers are few, limited, and strictly defined. See: Congress’ Enumerated Powers.

            Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/why-congress-may-lawfully-require-citizens-to-buy-guns-ammunition-but-not-to-submit-to-obamacare/#ixzz2KYZ7yp5W

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            ” Even in Dodge city, the symbol of the Wild West, gun control was the norm” What a weaselly way to try to obscure the fact that in most towns in the old West, you did not have to check your firearms at the city limits. Plus, there was nothing to say you ever had to go to Dodge. Gun control was not the “norm” of the “Wild West”.

            The foremost authority on the 2nd. Amendment? According to whom? Saul Cornell?? You??? As it happens, yes!

            First of all, dear Susan, even when you stoop to using wikipedia as your primary source, you might try to a) quote them correctly, and b) read the footnotes.

            wikipedia does not say he is “the foremost authority on the 2nd
            Amendment”, as you claim, but it says he “is now one of the nation’s leading authorities on early American constitutional thought.“. That would include the 2nd amendment, but could mean that the bulk of his expertise lay elsewhere. And if you read the footnote as to who is claiming he is is “now one of the nation’s leading authorities on early American constitutional thought”, you find it is :

            ” Saul Cornell – Fordham University Faculty” – on a university page hyping the university faculty.

            Even Fordham, trying to induce students to attend their school, does not promote him as the “foremost” authority on anything. Did you promote him to that position yourself, merely because your argument was so weak, dear Susan? Small exercise in logic: the foremost authority would certainlly be “one of the leading authorities”, yet is does not follow that all of the “leading authorities” (if even that claim applies) would be “foremost”.

            Also, dear Susan, do not be afraid to link to your sources. It just means that we may laugh at you sooner rather than later. And, as a general note, know that having a PhD doesn’t always make you an authority. Some people are merely educated beyond their intelligence.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Cornell

          • SusanBeehler

            I was not going by wikipedia you really need to use other sources like living breathing people besides just the internet. I was going by the presentation actually given and quoting what was said by an attendee, their first hand account to me . A panel discussion at the Wesleyan University held in Middleton, CT was held here is what the media said about it. http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-middletown-wesleyan-gun-forum-0207-20130206,0,4701123.story

          • PK

            “you really need to use other sources like living breathing people besides just the internet”.

            Is the internet an individual entity that produces data automatically? I thought living, breathing people put data on the internet. Some of it’s true, some of it isn’t.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Too funny, Suzy Q! You still stick to your lame story that the quote you clearly copied (complete with extraneous returns) is what you “remembered” having been said at a panel, which, mirabile dictu!, just happened to be word for word from wikipedia.

            And can you glimpse the irony in telling me I need to use other sources than the Internet, and then give me a link to “prove” your point. Only it doesn’t. It proves there was a panel, but the idea that you can quote what they said, word for word from memory, which just happens to be identical to wiki is not believable.

            Have the grace to admit when you are wrong, Bogus Queen. Telling lies about such petty things degrades your weak and pitiful arguments even further than they already are.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Funny how your “memory” of what was said, Suziekins, looks exactly like it was copied from someplace else. (I added red bars where a real human writing from memory would not have use a carriage return, but a copied and pasted text might.) Please do not bother cluttering my inbox further unless it begins with an apology for your petty, meaningless lies.

            BTW, I can also add one between “got” and tougher” if you’re still clueless as to what copied text looks like without editing.

          • SusanBeehler

            Do you ever take notes at something you attend? Oh that is right you do not attend anything unless it is on the internet. You are the petty one. Call up the college and ask the Professor, since you will not believe what was said by someone who attended. I believe them, you can call them petty, you say whatever you want, it does not mean it did not happen. You are proof there is a river “denial”

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Yes, Susie Be Lying. I take notes at panels and seminars I attend. And when I write them out, the odds that they would EXACTLY match a text in wikipedia that I did not write are slim and none. Let me demonstrate again, Sue Who Would Rather Lie Over Petty Crap Than Have a Meaningful Discussion Be Lying. Note the spaces in the illustration below, between the words “Diane” and “Guenther” and between “2nd” and “Amendment” and between “got” and tougher”, which are typical of cutting and pasting and copying returns that are in the original text.

            You copied them. And then lied about their source. It sucks to be you, Susan Be Lying. And if you are thinking of going back and editing your original comment, I have a screen shot of it. I do that with people that I suspect or know to be dishonest. That would be you, Susan Be Lying.

          • SusanBeehler

            I never did find the link you from wikipedia, please post it I did not copy it from wiki. Think about it, if you take notes do you think you might share them, and than someone else might share them? Get a clue it is not a conspiracy, just because you are not smart enough to figure out how it came to be; does not mean it did not happen. Put up or Shut up.

          • SusanBeehler

            I went to your link and I can’t find what I quoted on the previous post where is the direct link?

          • Thresherman

            On the Dodge city thing, only the visiting cowboys had to check their guns before heading into the saloon and red light district.. The residents of Dodge got to keep the guns at the ready. Hardly a comparable form of gun control. But as long as we are talking about the old west, Susan should look up what happened to the James/Younger gang when they tried to rob the bank in Northfield MN. Simply put, they got the sh*t shot out of them by the local populace.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Please don’t try to confuse her with actual facts, or she’ll be forced to make up more stuff that only she knows and can’t back up.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Suzie: Your pathetic lies notwithstanding, the red bars between “Diane” and “Guenther” and between “2nd” and “Amendment” are typical of cutting and pasting and copying returns that are in the original text.

            If you’ll lie about things as simple as this, what else are you lying about? Go back to the kiddie table until you learn how to have a discussion with the adults.

          • PK

            Running a search on what’s in quotations, brings up the One Million Moms for Gun Control facebook page. I notice the page only has 137 likes, a bit shy of the goal of one million.

          • PK

            She had to have copied and pasted off that page. Everything is word for word, even punctuation, but the name and quote are flipped.

          • SusanBeehler

            I didn’t copy it from a facebook page. You want to know give me your name and email.

          • SusanBeehler

            Which One Million Mom For Gun Control Chapter you looking at? You are off about 60,000 http://www.facebook.com/OneMillionMomsForGunControl

          • PK
          • SusanBeehler

            “If you’ll lie about things as simple as this, what else are you lying about?” Like your “name” , your name is Proof and you look like Mark Twain, that is the truth? If you lie something as simple as your “name” what else do you lie about? I know, I know you are extremely paranoid and fearful and the boogeyman will get you if anyone really knows your name. I understand you need to sleep with your ak 47 to feel all SAFE! What else ARE YOU lying about? Now go to your corner with your big gun, because you are “scared” of the truth.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Are you mind numbingly stupid or just a child? (Or both?) Mark Twain’s name wasn’t Mark Twain, either, Susan Be Lying. If you cannot understand the use of a nom de plume or a nom de cyber, then go back to the kiddie table.

            BTW, I do not own an AK-47, your delusions and projection notwithstanding.

            You evidently cannot argue rationally with adults, as you have amply proven time and again on this forum. I have demonstrated, with evidence, that you lied about the source of your bogus “authority”. Like a good liberal, you want to make a false equivalence with someone who uses a pen name. Epic Fail, Susan Be Lying.

            Please go clog the inbox of someone who cares.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Sweet Jesus… someone throw her a shovel… she’ll dig herself a hole all the way to China… or hell, which ever comes first.

            http://mylifeyoga.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/DonkeyInTheWell.jpg

          • SusanBeehler

            Now you really sound like an old old man, what are you about 80?

          • two_amber_lamps
          • devilschild

            Even hell has standards. We don’t take just anybody.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh “hell” no! We don’t want her back… she’s all yours.

            Don’t you guys have a nice scalding-hot cauldron in the corner you could put her in? For eternity?

            We’d be eternally grateful……

          • slackewarerobert

            You should consider getting one then, they are much better at holding up in a dirty conflict. And much cheaper, the chinese make the best ones now. I don’t sleep with mine, I sleep with the handgun, shotgun, crossbow, and sword. The rifles are for after the first response doesn’t handle the problem, and for the children to use of course. The kick from the 475 mag would put them on their butt, but the AR and AK will put bad guy on his.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            My eldest son has an AK-47, if I ever had the overwhelming desire to shoot one. I’ve got more now than I have time to shoot. Still have to look out for the two biggest threats to firearms: politicians and rust.

          • slackwarerobert

            What part of you can’t have one do you consider “regulating”.It is not treason to point out the president is a cold blooded murderer. It is not treason to point out the courts no longer believe the constitution is the last word. It is not treason to oppose DICTATORS. It isn’t just the second amendment, they are killing ALL of them.

      • sbark

        So which one is the author of this quote?

        The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
        Thomas Jefferson
        hint for gradeschool civics Liberals………tyrants trash the Constitution……..

      • slackwarerobert

        If you talk about stopping the dictator in chief YES, if you talk about oppressing the people at his bequest NO. But you need to do more than talk, you must act on behalf of your country as well. You can’t stand by as americans are slaughtered by obama and call yourself a patriot. Our founders really shafted us with this one. Do we have to shoot all 9 justices when only 5 violated the constitution? Is it equal treatment? Before they said you have to talk in order to remain silent I would have said yes just the 5. Now I have no idea, and there doesn’t seem to be a way to ask the court. What if I get 5 no, and 4 yes answers from them? How do you deal with the capital police, they are not going to let you just pass when you tell them you are just going up penn ave to ask obama to leave politely. Do you have to wait for each to go for their gun? You know they are all going to do so, or can you just shoot them for being the tyrants henchmen?

      • Libertyinchains

        only if you lose

  • Snarkie

    I’m glad you did the math so that we know how many Americans, and illegals, can be shot with that ammo.

    Thanks for the informative post.

  • banjo kid

    If the idiots think they will have a slam dunk taking any ones gun will be in for the surprise of their life. We have so many guns and look at the other countries what they did with little or no arms , sticks and stones in Egypt and they took over so any one here who thinks it will be easy better think again.

    • borborygmi

      Just shows you you don’t need ARs. When a tank comes rolling down your street please stand in front of it. That way we don’t have to destroy the homes. We will use those (after you are gone) as a reward to certain loyalists.

      • Heartlander

        Asshole.

        • borborygmi

          Witty reply lemming. We…I mean They know where you are at. Tracer put in at the bottom of your spine when you were born. Nanites in the con trails of jets you breathe them in push a button and you are ours …I mean theirs. Bwahahahaha. YOu don’t play nice so you get the bottom bunk at the back of the gulag. 7.62 still gets the one by the door.

          • $8194357

            Corner bunk gurgle…
            I want my back to the wall…
            Hes right tho…
            You sure can be a blind apoligist a$$hole…
            I know…No pork chops for me…

          • 7point62

            Some say I write like a lunatic…

            Ted Kaczynski…

            Or the Glen Beck……… ….. …. . … …. .

            I dont care…

            Here me roar…. .. ….

            I dont care about the grammer and the spelling english ether… ..

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yes Bobby’sWorld… you’re dismissed.

          • $8194357

            Dang liberal gnats….

          • $8194357

            Thats a first….
            A liberal putting words in some one elses mouth…
            (SARC)

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Yore a speshial feller all right, gun nut!

          • $8194357

            Better the street sweeper in heaven than the
            devils lap dog in hell
            grasshopper…

            Psalm 103:14-16
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            14 For He knows our frame;
            He remembers that we are dust.

            15 As for man, his days are like grass;
            As a flower of the field, so he flourishes.

            16 For the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
            And its place remembers it no more.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yes, a beet or maybe a turnip.

          • $8194357

            We un re educatable won’t be around long
            enough to fear starvation.
            History repeating itself to the new generation of blind,
            deaf and dumb apoligists..

          • borborygmi

            You are special so I will give you your choice. Pork Chops …in your dream. Us Muslim/Jewish people don’t touch pork and neither should you. It is in the Bible. Heathen!

          • $8194357

            Did you lie to me before…..
            Or are you lieing now?
            Thats the thing about lies…
            ya have to remember who you told what to
            when the truth is just plain simple to remember, huh.

          • slackwarerobert

            What, which of my kids told you about the 44 snubby in my bible?

      • PK

        You’re actually making an argument that the American people should be able to have RPG’s, TOW’s, hand grenades and C4. Our founders were clear on the American people having military weaponry.

        • $8194357

          Yup

        • borborygmi

          If they are worried about the gov’t taking away your guns you better be so equipped. Because NOTHING is going to happen unless the TYRANT has complete control of the armed services. What do you think the odds are for that. ON a side note I will have to read the Constitution again on banning military hardware…unless hmm something about the navy which would have be the super weapon at that time

          • PK

            It’s rather complicated, but your statement about full control over the military is needed for a takeover isn’t true. If you have control over the NSA and top brass, you’re going to have the high-tech weapons, which would include “autonomous” unmanned drones, literal terminator machines. Probably things we can’t even imagine. So if you lose 3/4 of the military, you can make that up with foreign troops and mercenaries, “contractors as they’re called today”. China and the UN would love to go along with a takeover of America. Then of course a solid core of domestic enforcers that would follow orders to walk over a cliff is also needed. What’s the harm in Americans buying guns and ammo anyway?

          • borborygmi

            No harm what so ever. The pure ludicrous assumption that they are going to take the guns away is debatable.

          • slackwarerobert

            Not by anyone with a brain. It doesn’t matter if they take your gun, or wait for you to die off and your kids can’t have a gun, the end is no guns. Tanks are not a problem, you shoot out the gas tanks and oil trucks, and they stop all by themselves. I also have several surprises for them that they will never expect. As dormor proves, a prepared individual can wreck havoc on a bunch of buffoons.

  • mike

    I know the answer to this one … the government is preparing for civil war.

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      Civil war and/or food riots.

      • $8194357

        Preppers have saw this national emergency comming for decades.
        since the global bankers and Bush #1 started openly talking their
        New World Order junk.
        Leftist globalist RINO crony capitslist wet dream come tru.

        • SusanBeehler

          Preppers are paranoid! There is something did not prepare for……

          • two_amber_lamps

            Says the Leftist. Liberalism is a mental disorder, so you’re hardly one to throw stones.

          • $8194357

            Lack of faith in government is seen as paranoid on the left…
            I put my Faith in God and prepare for bad times…

          • two_amber_lamps
          • $8194357
          • SusanBeehler

            So if a kid is throwing rocks on a playground do you give them more rocks?

          • two_amber_lamps

            That’s why it’s best we keep the rocks (and sharp objects for that matter) away from you.

          • $8194357

            In your opinion…
            Your version/understanding of their paranoia
            is blind and limited.
            Truth is what folks seem to percieve and believe these days.
            Delusion and deception is strong in the world…..

        • Snarky

          And the environmentalists have seen ecological disaster on the horizon for the same amount of time. Sooner or later, everyone will be right.

          • $8194357

            If you so say so de based self hater….
            Its your “gospel”.

          • Onslaught1066

            ‘Cept your wife, she be dead.

            What a buttfuckle.

          • slackwarerobert

            Then why do they vote for the biggest polluter on the planet? obamas footprint is worse than all of LA, and that is without counting his gulf oil mess. If you mean the sun making things hot, well duh, but what do you want to do about it?

    • SusanBeehler

      Or maybe they are acting like all gun owners do after a mass shooting, they buy more guns more ammo. What are you preparing for, when the word “ban” is shouted? Maybe it is a marketing game to see who can buy the most?

      • Hal414

        Yes Susan, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Democrats are really trying to increase gun and ammo sales because they secretly love freedom.

        • SusanBeehler

          How do you define freedom? at the end of a gun barrel?

          • Hal414

            Ah…Comrade Beehler. I know where you got that idea, 0bama’s Anita Dunn and Ron Bloom. What a great follower you are of your Dear Chairman Mao.

            “Much has been made about White House Communications Director Anita Dunn’s description of the murderous dictator Mao Zedong as one of her “favorite political philosophers.””

            “Now comes word that another Obama insider
            has been quoting Mao approvingly. A video shot at a 2008 Union League
            Club meeting in New York shows “manufacturing czar” Ron Bloom telling his audience:

            We know that the free market is nonsense. (…) We kind of
            agree with Mao that political power comes largely from the barrel of a
            gun.”

          • two_amber_lamps

            Lol… sorry to steal your quote… great minds think alike.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Your political/intellectual elite would say that….

            Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.

            -Mao Tse-tung

          • SusanBeehler

            YOU mean two_amber_lamps barrel of a gun. Control works two directions. Freedom is not just for those owning guns or certain types of guns. Freedom is a person’s right not a gun’s right. Protect People, not guns.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Your circular drivel is incomprehensible. Seek psychological therapy… it’s for your own good.

          • slackwarerobert

            What do you think the gun is for you nitwit? To protect the persons rights, not to protect criminals right to be the only one armed.

          • slackwarerobert

            No at the other end of the gun. I define freedom as a 600 yard radius of adherence to the constitution around me, can extend that range easily, but that is the easy freedom zone.

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    There are basically two types of conspiracies:

    1. Ordinary, limited, secret ones that generally get found out eventually, especially if more than two people are involved, and

    2. Serious, large scale conspiracies involving revolutionary change.

    The latter are not secret. They are wide open but lightly camouflaged in disinformation. These so-called conspiracies are basically public and observable by all; however, because of their audacious disregard of the usual rules and customary behaviors, they produce confusion as to their goals and legality. People become disorientated and make up comforting and fantastic arguments as to alternative explanations for the actions in question. Such conspiracies are not “covered up” by the perpetrators but, ironically, they are covered up by a confused, rudderless, uneducated public and useful idiots, i.e., the victims themselves. These conspiracies are only revealed in the final act when they have achieved their goals and it is too late.

    Obama has telegraphed his agenda. It hides in plain sight. He may indulge in more petty lying than anyone every has who has been in the public eye (except, perhaps, Harry Reid), but in the final analysis it will be hard to fault him for committing overall deception. He has not pulled the wool over our eyes, we have ourselves pulled it over our eyes.

    I have used this technique myself in corporate settings, and it works every time.

    • Heartlander

      THANK YOU flamemeister, for so eloquently articulating what is really going on. You are absolutely right. I think that’s why so many of us feel we are living in some surreal Twilight Zone: day after day, we see our own neighbors, coworkers and family members steadfastly maintaining that the emperor’s new clothes are just wonderful — while it is so perfectly OBVIOUS to US that the emperor has NO clothes.

      • borborygmi

        Thats because we are letting you see what we I mean they want you to see. Its not the croc you see its the one you don’t see thats going to get you.

        • $8194357

          The snake hisses and hypnotizes its next meal…
          From the garden to the modern day UN AGENDA 21…
          Hisssssss

        • SusanBeehler

          Croc is correct

      • $8194357

        10X

      • SusanBeehler

        Or you are in denial and can’t see paranoia has infiltrated your thinking. Kind of like the Sandy Hook Hoax

        • two_amber_lamps

          Oh, you mean the hoax about the “Bushmaster” rifle that was never used in the murder spree that YOU helped to propagate like a good little useful idiot? Yes, that was an ugly thing to do…. smacks of paranoia and denial (of reality). But that’s what we expect of you…

          Define political expedience lil SuzyB……

          • PK

            I believe the ar-15 was used. There was a semi-automatic shotgun found in the car’s trunk(video footage). People did die there. The person they caught in the woods and how it was never talked about later is probably the strangest thing. Regardless of what actually happened, it’s definitely being handled by the media and government for maximum shock and psychological trauma to push their gun control agenda.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yeah, I saw the video of them unloading the shotgun… it was some kind of autoloader (as in a semi-auto shotgun). Couldn’t tell if it was a Saiga or just something like a Mossberg/Remington autoloader since all have the charging handle on the right side. As mentioned in the link above reports have changed from “the bushmaster” was used to kill everyone, to “there were 4 pistols used” (later proved false). Now there’s a gag order so we won’t find out WHAT was used where. News agencies reported the rifle was removed from the trunk, but what was shown in the video was a shotgun, so I’m left believing the rifle was removed earlier or afterward.

            Everything is hearsay and as you said calculated to produce “maximum shock and psychological trauma to push their gun control agenda.”

          • SusanBeehler

            Wow, someone who actually believes legitimate sources rather than the conspiracy radical cats out there. All media maximizes to sell their product just like the gun industry capitalizing on sell more guns when someone says “gun control”. Get a clue, what benefit is it to moms and victims of gun violence to push a gun control agenda? Maybe just maybe it is because they don’t want anyone to have to endure and go through what they did, their is no big scheme to overthrow the world, they just want to feel safe again! They don’t want your damn guns, they don’t want your gun shooting up their world!!!!!! Get IT!!!

          • two_amber_lamps

            None of this has dissuaded a group of ardent supporters who back Dorner for a variety of reasons. #GoDornerGo, #WeAreAllChrisDorner and other hashtags have been gaining momentum on Twitter. Some supporters appear to be motivated by personal issues; others express anti-hero worship and fugitive fandom to push specific agendas.

            http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2013/02/08/12476/lapd-manhunt-some-cheer-on-fugitive-christopher-do/

            Are you cheering for Dorner MsSuzyB? Another useful idiot in furtherance of your anti-gun anti-2nd Amendment agenda?

          • SusanBeehler

            I do not cheer on criminals/killers! I think it is sick! I don’t believe in killing to promote an agenda, again attention or to seek justice or revenge.

          • two_amber_lamps

            But you certainly agree with using the resulting emotional fallout to further your anti-second amendment agenda.

            You indulge in it daily on this forum.

            Strike while the iron is hot… never let a good crisis go to waste… right Comrade SuzyB?

          • SusanBeehler

            I am not anti-second amendment. Some people get a wake up earlier than others.

          • two_amber_lamps

            You have been shrieking 2nd Amendment disparagements for weeks… now you claim to be NOT anti-second amendment.

            You are insane.

          • slackwarerobert

            It is a shame the press is so complicit though. The cops just shot two paperboys, and no call to find those shooters. I am shocked I would have expected the gangs to use this opportunity to shoot the cops all over the place and blame dorner. But this should shut up the anti gun nuts, the cops can’t even protect themselves, so how are they going to protect us. I cheer anyone who shows the hacks for the crooks they are.

          • SusanBeehler

            You are a perverted sick person.

          • Onslaught1066

            HEY! HEY! HEY! there are dating sites for this kind of crap.

            Keep it in your bed room.

          • PK

            I see the psychological operation has had an effect on you. I’m sorry. My guns won’t shoot up the world. They’re just for protection, leave me alone.

          • slackwarerobert

            Then why are they not upset with obama who disarmed their children so they could be slaughtered. The way you stop things like that from happening is you SHOOT them when they try and break in. not after they kill everybody. The cops are now shooting the paperboys in commifornia, what do you suggest they do, throw the paper at them to stop it? My gun only shoots up criminals, so don’t stand near obama if you want to ensure your safety, he doesn’t have much time left before he give us no other option. If you know of a way to make a tyrant leave office without shooting them, please let me know soon.

          • SusanBeehler

            You still denying the rifle used, you are truly a unbeliever.
            Quit reading only propaganda;
            http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Sandy-Hook-Gunman-Had-4-Guns-State-Police-188031071.html

            Political expedience “not pleasing you”

          • two_amber_lamps

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HK8Z5K5M2Dw#!

            ABC, CBS, NBC all retracted their original statements….

          • Hal414

            Should we be surprised that Comrade Susan has been so wrong at the top of her shrill voice for all this time?

          • SusanBeehler

            You can hear my voice through my words, truly amazing, I did not know I was ventriloquist. I am happy you consider me your comrade.

          • Hal414

            Chairman Mao considers you his Comrade. You think alike.

          • SusanBeehler

            Your link does not work. But it is irrelevant, unless you prefer to listen to “illegitimate sources” instead of the police officers and the coroner at Sandy Hook. You may have a comprehension problem. “But as a veteran law enforcement officer, what was most striking to Kehoe was that the gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, had heavier firepower than Kehoe and his officers. The police had Glock pistols with 14-round magazines; Lanza had a Bushmaster assault-style rifle, two handguns and multiple 30-round magazines that allowed him to squeeze off an estimated 150 shots.” http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/13/16496402-newtown-police-chief-adds-voice-to-call-for-assault-weapons-ban?lite

          • two_amber_lamps

            Lol… youtube link works fine… I realize this interwebz thing for you is probably quite taxing on the intellect so let’s try it together.

            Put your mouse pointer over the link and “right click” (there’s two buttons on the mouse) and click “open in new tab.”

            Why, if the police chief your link quoted (who is incidentally a politically appointed official and subject to pressure from bureaucrats) is correct, did he not mention the shotgun in addition to the other weapons? Why did he claim all the victims were shot with a rifle when we know pistols were used again? Why did he not mention the shotgun which was also evidence in this and an additional nail in the leftist coffin for gun control?

            Though I actually doubt you tried to open the link or perhaps you just imagined it didn’t work. Your detachment from reality (which has been proven time and again here by your incessant drivel and sniveling) has been duly noted.

          • SusanBeehler

            Maybe your link has a disease, a “virus”, all trusting one of You Tube conspiracy theories, when the intruder may be in your click, you tab. What anti-virus program you packing on your interwebz thingy? I forgot police chief do not take an oath to uphold the constitution as you define it, so they are untrustworthy, because they were crossing their fingers behind their back while taking the oath. Yes you have been to many more radical conspiracy theory sites and he only has the reality of the place and answering the call, yes two_amber_lamps you believe you are much smarter than any officer of the law. WHY? WHY? are you so smart and he is so deceiving? Why do you choose to believe what you believe rather than a higher authority?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Link works fine… you’re just inept. The only virus (or should I say DISEASE) at stake here is the psychological disorder(s) affecting that tiny little pustule encased in your soft head.

            Why wouldn’t a police chief cross his fingers when he takes the oath to support and defend the constitution when the very leftist politicians who may have put him/her there did the exact same thing?

            I know a few LEO’s… let’s just say they’re human and they’re just as smart (and/or dumb) as anyone else, and just as susceptible to political pressure.

            Maybe you should stop placing the Newtown PD on some kind of pedestal because they happen to preach a line of drivel you seem to scarf down like a starving Ethiopian and see there are far too many inconsistencies in this whole story from the day it was brought in the media spotlight. So far the media AND law enforcement have handled this in about as unprofessional and biased manner as I have ever seen something of this magnitude handled. Unfortunately the “fourth pillar” of government (which was supposed to be a check) is utterly complicit in this and in fact active participants in this active assault on the Bill of Rights.

          • SusanBeehler

            You should stop putting your “conservatism” on some kind of pedestal and believing the spin which is feeding someone’s market or ego.
            I do not live in your “paranoid” world so I can understand why you may think I am “different” because I am, and I am thankful for this everyday, every minute. The assault is on our “first ammendment”

          • slackwarerobert

            So you support the gifford shooter then? He was defending his first amendment. No one is forcing you to have a gun, we just prefer our families be safe.

          • SusanBeehler

            Do you? You are crazy! Defending the first amendment or any amendments does not require murder. Your family is not safe with you because you have a very distort idea of what is right and wrong.
            The unwillingness to come to a solution where we can talk about regulations on certain firearms is an “assault” on my liberty and my freedom, my first amendment.

          • Onslaught1066

            That you are a retard goes without saying, that you are wrong is no surprise.

            There is one amendment that you are ready, willing, able, and deliriously eager to commit murder for and woe betide any who would dare get in your way.

            I will give you an opportunity to figure out which one and quietly retract your false statement.

          • Jon

            By this logic you’re saying that Richard Nixon had to have been telling the truth simply because he took an oath.

          • Hal414

            The link does work.

          • Hal414

            Susan, the link works, maybe you are still clicking the wrong “mouse”.

          • Onslaught1066

            Susan, it’s a very good thing you are so retarded, because if you were smart enough to realize just how stupid you are, you’d probably blow your empty little head off with an assault weapon.

            What a hanniturdlet you are.

          • SusanBeehler

            He had a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun and a gun in the trunk

          • Onslaught1066

            If you say so, doesn’t alleviate you from being a retard.

            What a hanniturdlet you are.

          • Jon

            Good God, if I hear or read the word “clips” in reference to magazines one more time, I am going to jump off a building. Why can people not educate themselves on an issue before the go rampaging around whining that something needs to be done.

          • SusanBeehler

            Good God, it is a quote directly from the newspaper. I hear gun owners interchange the words magazine and clips often enough, does it matter in a blog discussion if you say clip or magazine or kill or murder. Maybe you are hung up on the wrong part of the discussion. I am more concerned with talking about we as Americans can do about all the people being killed by firearms, their, there, here, hear. Are you of the do nothing crowd. Lets manufacture something that can shoot even more bullets and cost taxpayers even more money and their lives? How many lives will it take to be killed or murdered, how many dead is your limit to bag?

          • slackwarerobert

            Yes, please join us in removing the reagan assault ban that prohibits us from doing so. I have a nice 75-100 round full auto pistol designed already, just need the law fixed so I can make it. It doesn’t cost more than a few cents to put a bullet in the criminals head. I don’t know what you are talking about. My most expensive bullets are only $2 a piece, maybe depleted uranium will cost more, but I am worth it.

          • SusanBeehler

            I don’t believe in killing, I don’t believe in the death penalty, you make it sound as if people are “critters” that bug you so “exterminate” them. The cost I am talking about is not just measured in dollars and cents, it is the cost, the value of a human life. Not to mention what we as the public have to expend to update the police officers with the weapons the criminals will start using, then all the funerals from those killed, all the security to protect the innocent from the bad guys, and the list goes on and on . This is a public health and safety issue!!!

          • slackwarerobert

            All my armor piercing bullets come with speed loading clips so you can fill the mags easily.

          • slackwarerobert

            No, he did not. His mother had those weapons, he STOLE them. Once agian proof that gun laws kill people, by making him wait for his guns he instead went home and killed mother and took hers. If he was allowed to leave with his own guns that murder wouldn’t have been needed.

          • Jon

            You realize that every single police car in America has at the very minimum a 12 gauge shotgun and an AR15 of some sort in the trunk? If the police were outgunned, it was by choice.

          • SusanBeehler

            Are you a very old old person? Because if not you are vulernable and I think maybe I should report this vulernablity to Adult Protective Services because you are wide open to being taking advantage of. I did get the video to open, I did not see any “retraction” of any original statement. What I saw was what many of the “blogasphere illegimate media” do, they take news pieces, and edit them stitching together the story they want to present, the delusion they want believed. It is nothing more than their “magic” show. There is no official “retraction” there is no “official” anything, these propaganda’ers know there are those like them who want to believe the “conspiracy” theory of the day, the hour of whatever they make and they feed your “paranoia” which you gobbled up and “puke” out on another blog like this, you are their “sheep” spreading their “manure” and leading others to follow. I asked if you are old because, old people do not know all the “magic” of the internet and the capabilities of what you can do to make something appear as true when it is not. Define discernment, because you need to know what it is!!!!!

          • Hal414

            Lamps must be old enough to be retired, he posts all day, but not unemployable like you and I doubt he is very vulnerable.

            So you are now saying that the latter news reports were wrong and the first correct? Why can’t you ever admit that you are wrong?

          • SusanBeehler

            I am employed I work for an international corporation, contract with a national company and I have my own retail small business. I am saying I believe the police officer who said a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun were found with the shooter and a rifle in the trunk.

          • Hal414

            You choose to believe what you desire, not the facts.
            Typical leftist.

          • SusanBeehler

            Link please to a real retraction, not a you tube cut and paste movie. You call your fiction, fact, prove it with real evidence not some blog or you tube fiction.

          • Onslaught1066

            I am employed I work for an international corporation, contract with a national company

            And you wonder why you are known as hanniturdlet.

            Next thing you know you will be posting pictures of what you claim is your girl friend and the $800 belt buckle you use to beat her with.

            BTW, when can we look forward to you linking us to a documentary wherein you describe what it is like to be a haole trying to make it in the ND surfing community?

          • SusanBeehler

            I am married with 5 children and one grandchild, cat; my beloved dog passed this last year. I have both male and female friends. Who do you beat?

          • Onslaught1066

            Non Sequitur.

          • $8194357

            Does Am way really count?

          • SusanBeehler

            Does a publishing and education company count? Does a business location in many parts of the US count? I am not into pyramid schemes.

          • $8194357

            But you support the leftist communist ponzi !

          • two_amber_lamps

            Negative Ghost Rider…

          • two_amber_lamps

            Please learn the definition of words and phrases before you incorporate them into your mindless screeds…

            K’ thanx bai!

    • borborygmi

      You sir must be a hell of a Chess player..not to mention having to watch your back if you are a coworker.
      Oh no you might be playing us now as a member of the conspiracy! ON to you now you sneaky basta$d.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Your assumptions are showing. Co-workers (and myself) were the one who benefited.

        • borborygmi

          My sincerest apologies Mr. Meister.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Accepted.

          • borborygmi

            What about the bit on chess/

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Haven’t been interested in board or card games since my early teens. I got too wrapped up in psychology, history, and observing human behavior. It was much more interesting to me (and served my needs to play games) to observe how people could be manipulated by way of their motivations and illusions. How is it that people believe what they believe when it is based on little or no evidence—in many cases, when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary? Why, and in what ways, do many people continue to believe in UFOs, alien abductions, Bigfoot, that Obama is some sort of Messiah? That Hitler is alive and plotting somewhere in South America? (That one has gone away due to how old Hitler would have to be. Nevertheless, a novel about finding Hitler in S.A. was written by a major author not that long ago. The novel “The Boys from Brazil”—also made into a movie—involves the cloning of Hitler so that his work might be carried on.) What drives scientific theories and lines of technological development besides status and grant money? What are the structures and dynamics of pop culture obsessions? What are the cultural assumptions underlying modern medicine? What is history driving toward? That might all sound very serious, but really it is huge fun—so I have kept the games down to golf and fishing.

          • borborygmi

            seems like a in depth hobby horse. And if you are a fisherman more kudos

    • $8194357

      The “ideological weapons” morph from decade to decade
      but remain with the same intentions..IMO

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Yet the fundamental structure and dynamics remain the same. Only the names have been changed to protect the perps.

        Then the Heart of Heaven
        Blew mist into their eyes,
        Which clouded their sight
        As when a mirror is breathed upon.
        Their eyes were covered and they could see only
        What was close, only
        That was clear to them.

        —Popul Vuh

        • $8194357

          Yup
          Lenins useful idiots on a global scale..

    • SusanBeehler

      Or you could just think everyone thinks like you and does like you, kind of like your slave momma theroy, you may just think too much of yourself. Your paranoia is showing.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Jeez! This thread was going along pretty good, then the petulant petty panzer swoops in and takes a dump.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Ms SuzyB reminds me of Proof’s HippoCrat….

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeCOfNWjJUs

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            So very apt! I will have this in my head whenever I see an SB comment—a stream of hot, hysterical gas blasting out crap shrapnel.

          • Hal414

            Appropriate for several reasons.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    People should be concerned, because right now we have top heavy, authoritarian, Soviet style government that is way out of control.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    The Antichrist will be Satan’s counterfeit Messiah.

    The weapons will be used . . . cities and nations will disappear.

    our future is already history . . .

    • borborygmi

      dogs and cats living together…..

      • $8194357

        The Lion of the Tribe of Judea
        lain down with the Lamb for sinners slain
        will be more to the point…
        Upon His shoulders will be ALL government..

  • mickey_moussaoui

    That’s all we need. All these fat ass idiot HSA agents frisking everyone and then they get to carry weapons.

  • are you kidding me?

    Why would Obama need to buy up all he bullets to raise prices? Every right wing gun owner in America is already running around like a chicken with its head cut off buying up all the ammo they can find before someone tries to take their guns away. Now you want to blame Obama for the cost of ammo going up too? LOL…

  • Stop jumping to conclusions

    Ok, I am by no means a fan of big gov but let’s look at a couple of figures before we get our exercise jumping to conclusions.

    DHS employees; include the US Coast Guard, US Customs and Border Protection (Border Patrol, Office of Field Operations, Air & Marine), ICE, TSA, US Secret Service, and MANY OTHER agencies. Just CBP law enforcement personnel number (estimated) close to 45,600. For arguments sake let’s say that 1.4 of those officers/agents are issued two handguns. That is 63,840 qualifications that occur every quarter, hence 255,360 qualifications every year. Each qualification is 72 rounds of ammunition so yearly pistol qualification rounds dispensed are approximately 18,385,920.

    So reports of 21.6 million rounds of ammo isn’t that far out of line with yearly ammunition usage of just CBP alone. There are enough issues and concerns (Federal Reserve System, fractional reserve banking, Congress, etc…) to worry about in this country, we do not need to jump to conclusions and create conspiracy theories. By doing so we are taking focus off the issues which are truly important.

    • two_amber_lamps

      10-fo’

    • PK

      Too bad it’s 1.8 billion rounds and DHS isn’t responsible for the Coast Guards equipment. DHS has over 200,000 employees, all won’t carry firearms, but lets say they all do. Two hundred thousand divided into 1.8 billion is 7500 rounds each.

  • Snarkie

    If a Republican were president, you would be complaining whenever anyone who you don’t agree with politically displays anything but blind faith and obedience.

    Some people have a memory. And to them, these posts, and the especially fervent responses to them, just make you all look like emotional nutcases who can’t calm your nerves long enough to reason in a straight line for any extended period of time.

    • Onslaught1066

      Gosh buttfuckle, sounds an awful lot like you’re complaining about someone, who you don’t agree with politically, not displaying blind faith and obedience.

      Ironic, ain’t it?

      BTW, how’s the dead wife?
      Still dead, I trust.

  • chris

    As usual, people are getting all scared and paranoid for nothing:

    “Our members (of the National Shooting Sports Foundation) confirm what we are seeing is the normal functioning of the
    Feds’ procurement apparatus. When you do the math in the case of the DHS
    purchase, even the maximum purchase would add up to less than 1,400
    round per year for all 65,000 DHS law enforcement personnel. That
    doesn’t seem outrageous considering training and qualification
    requirements.”

    http://www.nssfblog.com/clearing-up-rumors-about-government-ammo-purchases/

    • PK

      1,400 x 65,000= 91,000,000
      That’s a bit shy of = 1,600,000,000

      • PK

        17.6%. What do they need the other 82.4% for? A logical, factual argument would be, they’re just stocking up for 5 years in case of a financial disturbance and inflation, getting them now while they’re cheap and readily available.

  • $8194357

    From WND…………

    Could what we see happening now in the Department of Homeland Security be the beginning of Obama’s dream and our constitutional nightmare?

    We’ve learned more about Obama’s vision since then. Maybe it’s time for a review:

    He made the campaign promise to build this $439 billion domestic army, but all references to the initiative were inexplicably deleted from the copy of his speech posted on his website while others mysteriously disappeared from transcripts of the speech distributed by the campaign. That was strange – and ominous.

    At the time, I had never heard anyone use the phrase “civilian national security force” before. But I did a little homework and found out where it originated. It was first proposed by then Bush administration Defense Secretary Robert Gates. On that basis alone, I accurately predicted that, if elected, Obama would name Gates as his own defense secretary. Needless to say, when that appointment came to pass, no media outlet bothered to interview me about my foresight.

    Still during the campaign of 2008, I suggested that what Obama had in mind might be something very sinister indeed – perhaps “some kind of domestic Big Brother program.”

    We never heard another mention of Obama’s “civilian national security force” again. Not in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 or 2012.

    But that brings us up to 2013 and the highly unusual stockpiling of firearms and ammo by Homeland Security – firearms and ammo that Obama would like to deny to ordinary citizens who are not members of his domestic army.

    Well, I hate to say it, but I may have predicted this, too.

    In a Halloween column last fall, I stated that, if re-elected, Obama would “declare a full-scale war on his domestic opposition.”

    I wasn’t joking. I was deadly serious – so serious, in fact, that I did something I pledged I would never do: Vote for Mitt Romney. It was a matter of self-defense and self-preservation. I said then that a second term of Obama might mean we would never see another free and fair election in America. (I’m not even sure we saw one in 2012.) I suggested due process would go the way of the horse and buggy. I said I expected Obama would move to shut down or destroy all independent media. I even speculated that his biggest critics would eventually be rounded up in the name of national security.

    Think about it.

    Why does the civilian Department of Homeland Security need billions of rounds of ammunition?

    This is the agency that is responsible for policing the border. But it doesn’t.

    This is the agency that is responsible for catching terrorists. But it doesn’t.

    So why does Homeland Security need so many weapons and enough hollow-point rounds to plug every American six times?

    Maybe this is the “civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the Defense Department.

    These words – “civilian national security force” – have haunted me ever since I first read them.

    Obama has never explained what he meant.

    He’s never been called to account for that remark.

    Doesn’t this sound like police-state talk to you?

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/why-is-government-stockpiling-guns-ammo/#Xu5reUmktof44ZMG.99

    • borborygmi

      ” I said then that a second term of Obama might mean we would never see another free and fair election in America. (I’m not even sure we saw one in 2012.) I suggested due process would go the way of the horse and buggy. I said I expected Obama would move to shut down or destroy all independent media. I even speculated that his biggest critics would eventually be rounded up in the name of national security.” And I bet that in 4 years time ..there will be a peaceful transition to another legally elected President.

      • chris

        Again, you’re a tin-hat wearing fool. Democracy will flourish for the next four years, and then another president will take over, maybe even a tea-party republican, and then it would be the liberals wearing tin hats.

      • $8194357

        (And I bet that in 4 years time ..there will be a peaceful transition to another legally elected President)

        Perhaps…
        To “another” Tri lateralist/Bilderberg hand picked puppet…
        The MSM is already jumping on a second go around of team Billary, huh.

  • B rock

    In time their intentions will be revealed…in the meantime vote for patriots (if you can find them)…hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

    I find it atrocious that liberals can speak of saving lives by taking guns away from law abiding citizens and infringing on our Second Amendment rights, but they have no problem supporting the right to have an abortion which KILLS hundreds of millions of babies each year. I’m saying this as a supporter of Pro-choice because I believe it’s no one’s right to tell another person what they can or can’t do wwith their body or offspring. HOWEVER, if it’s ok for you to have that right then you can’t tell me what guns I can use to protect my family.

  • cwfer

    Impeach him. He is taking away our rights and going against the Constitution.

  • Rico53

    Obama has already committed an impeachable offense, when a man he picked for his admin says he could kill American citizens without due process is a direct violation of our constitutional rights,the same constitution he swore an oath to protect.

  • scott

    How dumb really …? buy up all the ammo and spend billions ,even the goverment is not that stupid ha ha ha nuff said

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