Why Don’t We Debate Banning Automobiles After Tragic Car Accidents?

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The shooting in Newtown, Connecticut has – as tragedies such as these always do – inspired calls for a renewed debate about American gun policies. Some push back against those calls, making accusations about politicizing a tragedy.

I really don’t see the problem with using tragedies such as these as an impetus for public debate. There’s nothing inappropriate about it. These sort of incidents should inspire debate about how they could be prevented. Those saying “now isn’t the time” are wrong. In a self-governing society, it’s always the right time for debate.

But to the issue of gun control specifically, ask yourself this question: Why don’t we debate banning automobiles after tragic car crashes?

The answer, of course, is because (barring some mechanical default) we don’t blame cars for car crashes. We blame the driver. We have debates about drunk driving and distracted driving and traffic laws, all in the name of having safe roads.

When it comes to shooting incidents such as what happened in Connecticut, the knee-jerk reaction from many is to blame the guns rather than the shooter. Which makes about as much sense as blaming the car for the actions of the drunk at the wheel.

In the coming days we’ll know more about what motivated the Connecticut shooter (whose identity, at the time of this writing, still isn’t 100% confirmed) and we’ll know about about what motivated him to murder all those innocent people. And perhaps it will be appropriate to debate those motivations, and to ask if public policy could have been used to address them.

More than likely we’re going to find out that there is no solution. Because sometimes bad things just happen.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Guest

    I didn’t realize the primary purpose of a car was to kill living things. Derp.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I didn’t realize the only use of guns was criminal murder.

      • Guest

        Yes, I’ve never heard of anyone ever being murdered with a gun. Derp.

        • Spartacus

          you’ve probably never heard of anyone being killed with a knife, rock or stick either. Derp.

          Take away the gun and anyone with the intent to kill will find another means to carry out their intent. Derp Derp.

          • Guest

            I didn’t realize the only use of knives rocks, and sticks was to murder people and murdered them as efficiently as an assault rifle can mow them down. Derp.

          • Spartacus

            Was the gun really an assault rifle or was it one of those “assault rifles” which is really just a semi-automatic rifle that looks like something the military uses? Derp derp mohammed jihad.

            Btw, I’ve bagged a 12 point buck with an SKS, which is one of those “assault rifles” so I guess that shoots your one purpose theory in the ass.

          • 308T

            He used two pistols, I posted the link above. Obama probably has his gun-control Czar at the scene planting an evil AR-15 at this moment.

          • two_amber_lamps

            What a shame… if you’re gonna take the time to plant a gun, could be something a little more manly… say a FAL or an AR-10? Maybe a SCAR? No… it’s always something pedestrian like an AK or an AR-15…

            SOOOOOOO unoriginal.

          • 308T

            The sheeple aren’t real familiar with FALs or SCARs, but AR’s & AKs ooohhh so scary!

          • two_amber_lamps

            Soooo scary…. and they’re BLACK!

            Racist gun control fascists….

          • two_amber_lamps

            That’s impossible since in a recent conversation I had with a closet lib I was told AK-47 rounds (which use the same ammo as your SKS as you well know) MAKE THINGS BLOW UP. Therefore, your deer must have been carted out of the brush in half a dozen Hefty bags….

            I stifled my laughter and explained to said individual that the same 7.62 bullet is very similar to the .308/30-06 used by hunters, and the cartridge/powder load is significantly lower.

            But of course we know that’s all a ruse… OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW THAT AK-47 ROUNDS BLOW PEOPLE/ANIMALS UP! DUHH!!

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob
          • Guest

            Good thing he didn’t have a gun or they’d all be dead.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            He could have killed them all. That he didn’t is merely circumstance.

            The point is, humans commit crimes, not inanimate objects.

          • Guest

            So we should allow weapons to kill even more efficiently. Great argument. Derp.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            No , we should talk about why some people choose to kill other people.

            Guns aren’t going anywhere. After all, banning marijuana and meth and cocaine hasn’t exactly erased them from our society now, have they?

          • Spartacus

            Neither had the gun ban in Chicago stopped shooting deaths in the windy city. If I were a Liberal I’d be more worried about a ban on the guns that are legal for sale in this country causing a more popular underground market for the military grade weapons the Russians and to a lesser degree the Chinese allow on the markets outside of their countries.

          • Guest

            Yes, why ban anything if people will be killed anyway like you reason. Personal nuclear bombs for everyone! Derp.

          • Spartacus

            Where can I get one of those?

          • Guest

            You can’t get one unfortunately, those libtards thinking that by banning individual possession of nuclear bombs it’ll stop needless nuclear bomb deaths. Derp.

          • Spartacus

            So, in other words you just make sh!t up, right? Do you really believe that helps the veracity of your argument?

          • Guest

            So in other words you’re stupid sh*thead who doesn’t understand logic, right? Do you really beleive that banning nuclear weapons stopped nuclear weapons deaths at schools, workplaces, malls, etc? Derp.

          • Spartacus

            In the first place, were nuclear bombs ever at any time available on the public market? Keep making sh!t up, it certainly helps your credibility!

          • Matthew Hawkins

            BS, it is not just circumstance. It wasn’t a mass murder because it is extremely difficult to do a mass murder with a knife.

            I challenge you to find a case where a single person committed mass murder with a knife.

          • Bat One

            I believe ALL of Jack the Ripper’s kills were committed with a knife, no?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Juan Corona was convicted of killing 25 with a machete.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            Not at the same time.

            Not mass murder.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            There have been mass murders sans firearms. Arson is one. I could go into detail, but hesitate to make the Internet a “How to” manual for those so inclined.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            To be clear, is it your position that guns do not make mass murder easier?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            To be clear, murderers make mass murder easier.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            There have always been murderers, mass murder seems to be a recent phenomenon.

            Of course you could make the argument that it is just the price of doing business.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            There was a mass murder in a school in 1927. I linked to it in the Saturday Linkaround. There is a strong argument that our culture has moved away from one that respects life and the well being of others.

            Perhaps we need to change the culture first, then it would not matter the tools at their disposal?

          • Guest

            Goof’s logic: murder happens with less efficient tools so we should permit extremely powerful murder weapons. Biological and nuclear weapons for all! Deep.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            For anyone to determine what my logic would be, would require that they have an adequate knowledge of the English language, so that they could understand what I am actually saying. You do not.

            Secondly, it would require a sane and rational mind, which yours is neither.

            Now, draw from the well of your own twisted and perverted soul and project how anyone who might disagree with you on what a proper gun policy should be, is “celebrating the death of toddlers”.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            There have been bombs too. We outlaw those.

            I will concede mass murder is possible without guns. However, it seems to me guns make it easier. Especially semi-automatic or automatic guns.

            Maybe we should go back to the founders and make everybody use muskets.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            The “musket” argument is terribly shallow. The guns our Founding Fathers had were close to the state of the art at the time. To say the Founders could not have envisioned automatic weapons is no different from saying they could not have envisioned high speed presses or the Internet. Freedom of speech is the same on a hand cranked press as the NYT. The principle is not radically altered by technology.

            Automatic weapons are strictly licensed and historically have not been used in criminal endeavors. Semi automatics have been around for over a century. The intent of the user counts for more than the tool he uses.

            As for bombs, outlawing them didn’t stop Bill Ayers, did it?

          • Matthew Hawkins

            I didn’t say serial murder, I said mass murder. Jack the Ripper killed his victims one at a time.

          • Bat One

            Quibbling childishly about timing and technology and whether or not the perp is a “single person” merely demonstrates how superficial and vacuous your argument is.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            Or it just proves you don’t understand my argument.

            I don’t disagree that a knife can kill somebody.

            I just think it is very difficult to kill several people at once with a knife.

            Jack the Ripper killed 5 women over a several month period. Adam Knapp killed 27 people in about an hour.

            The argument that if we didn’t have guns that we would have more knife murders is BS. It is actually hard to kill somebody with a knife.

          • 308T
          • Guest

            Sounds a lot better than all 21 dead, like what happened in CT.

          • Bat One

            If you are so hellbent on banning guns – at least for those who pay attention to the law’s restrictions, please let us know when and how you plan to void the Constitution’s Second Amendment.

          • Guest

            IKR. The constitution was is and always was perfect. There was never anything bad in the constitution like treating black as only part of a person, not letting women vote, not letting blacks vote, banning alcohol, etc. You’re so smart, bat-shit insane one!

          • Bat One

            You’re wasting your host’s bandwidth! Obama has already demonstrated, on numerous occasions, the liberal Left’s contempt for the US Constitution and any sort of principle-based form of governance beyond the expedience of stealing the wealth and the liberty of the productive in order to buy the votes of the slothful and remain in power. Oh, and your attempt at sarcasm pretty much sucks too!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            ” treating black (sic) as only part of a person” Of all the ignorance I hear about our Founding Fathers, this is perhaps my favorite. What you are complaining about is an anti-slavery provision that the northern colonies insisted upon.

            Unless you are totally ignorant of the idea of representative government, the US takes a census of all its people and then divides the representatives in the House among them. States with the most people get the most votes. The people who wanted slaves to count as whole persons for this purpose were the slave holding states, who would then have gotten more representatives and held greater power in the House of Representatives. To limit the power of slave holding states, the anti-slavery folks, wanted slaves to count as “0” for the sake of the census, since slaves could not choose those who would “represent” them. The 3/5 compromise was not a statement about the value of their personhood, but an attempt to limit the power of those who held them in slavery. Thus endeth the lesson.

            (Not that there isn’t more you could learn, but I doubt you have the intellectual curiosity to seek out any further knowledge on your own.)

          • guest

            Wow, so on top of dancing on children’s graves we can add to defending treating blacks as less than a person to Goof’s atrocious beliefs.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State”

          • Bat One

            As I noted earlier today in response to Mike Adamson, that “well regulated militia” argument has already been rejected by the Supreme Court in the Heller decision. “The right to keep and bear arms” is a “fundamental, individual right.” Let me know if you need help with the url.

          • Guest

            http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html

            NO children in China died. Looks like your credibility was killed though.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Doubtlessly the ChiComms could always use a citizen of your “caliber” given your leftist totalitarian bend…. though I doubt they would suffer your pederastic tendencies.

          • 308T

            No it wasn’t, my link was to a mass killing in Japan NOT China…Try & keep up Libturd.

          • Guest

            I guess it comes down to what kind of world we want to live in. I want a world where children might be harmed but generally live and 308t favors one with over twenty dead kindergardeners.

          • Spartacus

            I read about that, no mention of how many kids were in the class that I recall. Perhaps he did.

          • 308T

            He didn’t use an “assault rifle”. Two pistols & Connecticut has a 10 round mag capacity limit law that you libs always claim will save the world. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15907407-elementary-school-massacre-27-killed-including-20-kids-at-connecticut-school?lite=&ocid=ansmsnbc11.DERP.

          • $16179444

            neither are guns.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Cars aren’t designed for killing people, but sometimes people run over other people on purpose.

          And sometimes guns are used for murder.

          In both cases, it’s the user of the car/gun that makes a decision. Debating the existence of the car/gun is stupid. We should debate why people make those decisions.

          • Guest

            Thanks for admitting that car’s aren’t designed for killing living things, thus destroying your equivalency with them to guns.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Cars, like guns, are inanimate objects.

            The people who make use them make decisions. Most people use them legally. Some use them illegally, and do great harms to others.

            But the common denominator is people.

          • Spartacus

            dakota just rendered his/her/piece of work in progress argument that guns kill invalid with that comment, LOL. Rob wins!

    • Spartacus

      Pipe should probably be banned too since it’s very easy to purchase and fashion into a tool used to launch projectiles at lethal velocities. So much for indoor plumbing. Derp.

      • Guest

        Wow, way to just rephrase Rob’s argument but with pipes, Derp. Guns and pipes are exactly the same- I once went to the pipe store and they gave me a gun by mistake since the similarities between the two were so similar. True story. Derp.

        • Spartacus

          Sarchasm (n.): The gulf between irony and the dolt that doesn’t get it.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          I think we should get ban fertilizer, since that’s what Tim McVeigh used to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City.

          • Guest

            Exactly, fertilizer and guns have the samer primary purpose: to kill living things. Derp.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            But guns have lots of purposes outside of killing people. Hunting. Recreation shooting. Acting as a check upon tyranny, as our founders intended.

            Firearms are an important part of a free society. Disarming the populace leaves them vulnerable, as awful crime statistics in places like Chicago and Washington DC prove.

          • Guest

            Right, a pistol is going to stop a tyrannical government with stealth bombers and nuclear bombs. Derp.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Well, the insurgency in Afghanistan and Iraq did a pretty good job of stymieing the US military for a long time. The Afghani’s handed the Soviets their asses.

          • Guest

            Yes, who doesn’t want to live in a place like Afghanistan? Derp.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Obviously you do since you’d just as soon hand away your constitutional rights because some autistic kid went on a rampage and killed a classroom-full of kids. Coward… go ahead, give up your rights. Sheep. Derp.

          • Guest

            Can you even read you stupid cow? He’s arguing against devolving into a place like afghanistan, Rob’s the one he hopes we can be more like them. It’s forgivable though, stupid cows like you are’t known for their reading comprehension.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Greetings pederast, I’m not speaking to Rob’s narrative… I speak to YOURS. Obviously you’d rather live in a fascist state, though unlike the islamofascists yours would be a LIBERAL FASCIST state. If you’d take the time you’d see your utopia is quite similar to that of those you denigrate…. but where they give up their rights in the name of religion… you do it for the adulation of Comrade Marx. Go ahead foul troll, give up your rights…. Derp.

          • Guest

            Greeting fat b*tch, you were speaking of Rob’ narrative of glorious Afghanistan where people are free to murder themselves as they please. If you love guns so much, please do society a huge favor and place the barrel of one in your mouth like you do for so many pastries.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Salutations lascivious pederast, we were speaking of the Afghanistan which you’d sooner see this nation reduced to by depriving the good citizens of this nation the very rights that used to differentiate the US from some 3rd world hell hole or banana republic. But never fear, your pathetic attempts to control the narrative are utterly transparent and I shall be more than happy to guide you back on track. Nighty night… don’t let your STD’s bite.

          • Spartacus

            The fertilizer that kids dad put in the kids mother 24 years and 9 months ago certainly turned out to be a killer, didn’t it?

          • 308T

            Guns save people & protect them from harm far more than they are used for homicide & criminal activity http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html It gets really old going over the same arguments with you libturds every time some left winger goes crazy with a gun.

          • Guest

            Wow, a link to guncite.com. Did you know that guns were used in 100% of gun related violence and killed all 20 something children in CT today? Derp.

          • 308T

            Wow, a liberal who doesn’t like to see studies proving his/her/its ignorance about guns & self defense. Here’s another link for you, not that it’ll change your closed mind but I like to rub it in. http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Gun-Rights-Self-Defense-Deterrent.htm P

          • Guest

            Wow, I’ll forward that to all the parents who had their children murdered today. It’ll certainly make them feel much better.

          • 308T

            Do that, then post their replies here since you’re obviously friends with them & have their emails. It won’t change the fact that guns save more people than they kill in spite of tragedies like we seen today.

          • Guest

            Yes, the answer to violent crime is violent weapons. You’re so smart 308t, derp! Hope your kids die one day from a shooting and you’ll take solace in your defense of a system with such easy gun access!

          • 308T

            LAMO! Thanks for showing that legendary liberal kindness & tolerance. There are no “good guns”. There are no “bad guns”. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to anybody — except bad people. Good luck repealing the 2A you Mfer.

          • Guest

            LAMO! You’re the person who extols the system that produced the tragedy that occurred today in CT. The parents of dead kingdergardeners have you to thank for your backwards thinking! Good luck explaining why you favor a system resulting in so many dead people, you stupid sh*thead!

          • 308T

            The unarmed and shepherded pissants of Europe await you & your progressive thinking, au-revoir!

          • Guest

            Yes, terrible Europe where gun violence is almost non-existent compared to the United States. Glad you like your guns so much you’re willing to see over twenty kindergardeners murdered for it.

          • maybetoday777

            keep freaking out because 28 people died. Oh my God! Have a nervous breakdown. Did you have the same nervous breakdown when the Roman Catholic Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Fidel Castro and the Marxist Mao Tse Tung murdered 80 million people with THE exact same gun control laws we already have in this country? Why are you so concerned about 28 friggin kids but not 80 MILLION PEOPLE, WHITE WASHED PHARISEE!?! Becauase you watch the roman catholic news mafia and get your talking points from them? Birds of a feather flock together? Why are you not freaking out about the 120 wars in 60 years the UN has sponsored? Do you like 2 wars every year and 1 war every 6 months? How were those 7 million Jews killed by Adolf Hitler again in Auschwitz, etc…? You people that watch tv and listen to the news mafia talking points are Apartheid preaching idiots. Like I said, you are a white washed pharisee who strains at a gnat and swallow the camel.

          • Guest

            Yes, people often over-estimate the importance of tragedies like this shooting and the Holocaust. We have nothing to learn from those tragedies. Thank you for your insightful comment. Derp.

          • 308T

            Then move there you sniffling b!tch! Guns aren’t going away in America but people like you should. Don’t let the door hit you in the lazy a$$ on the way out.

          • Guest

            Ah, you lost the argument and are throwing a fit, how adorable- just because you so much prefer guns to compensate for your micro-penis it is not going to stop the country from being reasonable. We’d hoped retards like you would eventually kill themselves out, but can no longer wait as you take more and more innocent lives down with your dying beliefs.

          • Flamejob5

            What’s a “violent” weapon?

          • Matthew

            You do need a license to buy large quantities of that type of fertilizer.

          • Spartacus

            no.

        • two_amber_lamps

          You must have been very disappointed since it’s difficult to smoke crack thru a flash suppressor… Derp.

          • Guest

            You must have been very disappointed since it’s difficult to shove a whole cake down your throat.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yes… I heard Ellinasty and Hanniturd are quite envious of your ability to put a whole c$%k down your throat…. such trained reflexes, or should I say lack thereof you possess, aren’t you proud of yourself?

          • Guest

            Yes, I heard you’re such a gluttonous b*tch that you sit online on a Friday night trading insults since no other human could ever stand the sight of a fat b*tch like you. Aren’t you proud of youself?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Bwhahahahaaaa! I see you enjoy Friday night company from the little Laotian boy you keep chained and gimped in your basement. Tell me, what does your mom think of you keeping a pet like that? Sleepovers generally don’t last four months…. doesn’t your little friend’s mom wonder where he is?

          • Guest

            Bwhahahha! I see you enjoy sitting online all night wasting away dropping cheetos dust over the your heavilycaked keyboard. Tell me, what will your obituary say? Oh sorry, that’s making the huge assumption anyone would ever want to pay 2 dollars to commenerate your pathetic life.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh wook at the wittle pederastic deviant spent the whole night trying to think of snappy comebacks, which is all his little leftist mind is capable of other than fabricating technicolor child-porn fantasies…. we KNOW your mom will spring $2 for your obituary in a futile effort to give meaning to your wretched child predatory existence. In reality, yours shall never measure up to anything more than the brown stain that should have soaked into your mom’s mattress as she shared it with whomever would tolerate her horrid visage. I bid thee luck in your paternity search b#$tard son of an ugly whore leftist troll…. Derp :)

    • 308T

      If the purpose of all my AR-15s is to kill people all mine must be broke because they haven’t killed anyone.

      • Guest

        Hopefully one day you’ll do the right thing and kill yourself with them :)

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          Ah, yes! The vaunted tolerance of the modern liberal leftist!

          • Guest

            Ah, yes! Twenty dead kindergardeners! The natural outcome Goof’s ideal world!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            One liberal retard recommends suicide and his butt buddy shows up to lie about the killing of children. You really are scum aren’t you?

      • Guest

        If the purpose of your gun isn’t ever to shoot living things, then you can disable them! Good work, you’ve made the world a better place by being a slightly less of a sh*thead :D

  • Guest

    What a stupid argument; how does the fact that cars inadvertently kill people support letting people have assault rifles not also justify them having other needlessly dangerous weapons like small nuclear bombs?

    So what if personal nuclear bombs kill people, so do cars. Derp.

    • Spartacus

      Where can I get one of these personal nuclear bombs? They sound pretty cool!

      • Guest

        You can’t get one unfortunately, those libtards thinking that by banning individual possession of nuclear bombs it’ll stop needless nuclear bomb deaths. The many nuclear bomb deaths at schools and workplaces prove them wrong. Derp.

        • Spartacus

          I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The only deaths I’m aware of due to nuclear bombs are thousands in the aggressor nation of Japan’s cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in late 1945 and one prior to that during the Manhattan project. Please enlighten me. Burp.

          • Guest

            Exactly, banning nuclear weapons did nothing to stop all the nuclear bomb deaths and schools, malls, and workplaces, so it’s stupid to think stricter gun laws would have a similar effect. You’re so smart, ‘tardicus. Derp.

          • Spartacus

            Thank God for the SALT treaty. I can’t buy Russian nukes, but I can certainly build one, just like I can turn out gun barrels on my engine lathe in my shop.

          • Guest

            Exactly, there was a guy who killed some children with knives in China so we should all be allowed to make personal nuclear bombs ‘tardicus. You’re so smart. Derp.

          • Spartacus

            So now you’re finally getting back to and conceding Rob’s point. Inanimate objects aren’t to blame for the actions of people. Don’t ban guns, ban Liberals, like kids raised in New Jersey or yourself from possessing guns. Burp.

            Now I’ve got something more important to do than reading your whining screeds, re-runs of Duck Dynasty are on. They’re not as boring as you, sorry.

          • Guest

            Exactly, mocking sarcastically is the same thing as conceding the argument. Since other inanimate objects can kill things, all murder weapons like personal nuclear weapons should be legal. You’re so smart ‘tardicus. Derp.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Cars inadvertantly kill people?

      So, does that mean drunk drivers aren’t responsible for the deaths they cause?

      The piont is, guns and cars are just inanimate objects. People don’t kill other people because of guns.

      • Guest

        Thanks for completely ignoring the criticism that just because one thing leads to deaths does not mean others should be permitted and proving your argument is meritless. Personal nuclear bombs for everyone! Derp.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Reductio ad absurdum.

          Nobody is talking about nuclear bombs. We’re talking about guns and cars and the fact that neither are the cause of crime. Rather, the people who use them are the cause of crime, when they choose to use them for crime.

          • Guest

            Your argument supports nuclear bombs as well, though Rob. Don’t blame logic for the many faults in your reasoning.

            We’re talking about nuclear bombs and the fact they are not the cause of crime. Rather, the people who use nuclear bombs are the cause of the crime, when they choose to use them for crime. Derp.

          • Spartacus

            When you say “we’re” do you have a mouse in your pocket? Other than my curiosity to know where you’ve found personal nuclear bombs for sale you’re the only one talking about such mythical devices.

            I’ll trade you one of my magic unicorns for one of your personal nuclear bombs!

          • Guest

            LOL. Rob objects to a reductio ad absurdum argument in his post saying that if guns are banned we should ban cars too.

    • maybetoday777

      cars dont inadvertently kill anybody. A person drove them by CHOICE. This is very difficult stuff gnat-strainer.

      • Guest

        Are you seriously so stupid that you think every driver who hits someone did not do so by accident but on purpose?

  • http://thepoliticalinformer.com/ John-Pierre Maeli

    Cars aren’t a threat to a politician’s power. A gun does.

    • sbark

      exactly –Well said………and that is why our founding fathers did what they did……..its the ultimate checks and balances–no matter if the Left trashes the Rule of Law, Warps the 17th Amendment, appoints 100 czars—-there is still the 2nd amendment.

      …….and that is exacly why the Left wants to take weapons out of the citizens hands, they just need the right excuse to do so

      There are what……10 or 20,000 gun laws on the books…..enforce them. Dont let another mentally ill Dem’cat voter have access.

  • spud

    I think we need a discussion on how we can see and identify mental illness in human beings. We could have had metal detectors at this school but fact is he would have gone someplace else and mowed down other innocent people. The facts are eliminating guns from law abiding citizens only leads to the criminals and insane to have more access to them. Identifying the people who could be led to do these heinous acts and protecting our children from this through various methods will go much further than guns laws that are not followed in the first place by those who would commit violent acts.

  • dakotacyr

    Oh, lord here come the asinine equivalencies.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Oh lord, here comes the knee-jerk dismissals from liberals who don’t want to have an intellectual debate about this.

      • Davo

        Yep. Somehow, this tragedy is all about you.

  • Guest

    Well, for one: This wasn’t an accident.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Neither are the vehicle rampages some people go on from time to time.

      Cars are used to try and murder people all the time.

      • DelawareBeachHouse

        Generally, I think you’re comparison has merit. I mean, Malaysians use to run amok with machetes, or whatever the equivalent implement was at the time.

        However, in this case, you’re abandoning the terms of your original argument. You specifically referred to “accidents,” in the original post, not rampages. Murders via vehicles are few and far between, mass shootings less so.

        Another point: President Obama referred to the event as a tragedy. IT’s NOT A TRAGEDY! It’s an act of evil, murder. Or insanity, chaos.

        And why did Obama order the flying of flags at half-staff after this heinous mass murder? Flying flags at half-staff used to honor sacrifice on behalf of the nation, or the death of people who rose to positions of leadership who helped shape the nation. Now, lowering the flags is just another sympathy card writ large, used to reflect the supposed deep emotions of the President and, one assumes, the grief-stricken nation. How about a little restraint, instead? A little private grieving instead of public posturing?

        Alas, modern media and therapeutic cultural nabobs won’t allow it.

        • Matthew

          Tragedies don’t have to be accidents. Your criticism of Obama is inane. It was a tragedy.

          • Spartacus

            Nobody knows yet. The kid may have been a college graduate with tremendous government loans to pay back and couldn’t find employment due to ObamAA-‘s economic policies, in which case it could be construed as ObamAA-‘s fault as well as yours for re-electing ObamAA-.

          • Guest

            LOL @ ‘tardicus. Guns not responsible for today’s tragedy, Obama is. DERP.

          • Matthew

            Or he may have been an autistic kid with a documented history of emotional problems, who still had no problem getting several guns.

          • two_amber_lamps

            I suppose under the leftist definition of Pro-abortion, if some mom had done “the right thing” this whole issue would have been fixed decades ago?

          • $16179444

            and golly gee, if we would just ban those gun he wouldn’t have them, nor would any of those other lunatics.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Lol… Matthew, you’re EXISTENCE is inane.

          • Guest

            LOL fat b*tch, YOUR existence is inane.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Shopworn AND retarded?! Bravo liberal fascist troll creature… BRAVO!

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaa!

          • Guest

            At least I know the difference between you’re and your, unlike the fat stupid b*tch you are.

          • two_amber_lamps
          • Guest

            Congratulation on being a fat b*tch who cheers for a system that produced twenty dead children!

          • two_amber_lamps

            Congratulations repulsive child fondler who cheers for a system that absolves all of personal responsibility and blames inanimate objects for the woes of the world. Derp.

          • Guest

            Congratulzation on being a fat b*tch who spent all Friday night alone on writing rather uncreative insults! Derp.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Congratulations on spending your Friday night with your c$#k stuck in a ten year old boy! Such stamina…. Hannitard and Ellinasty would be most proud of you!

          • $16179444

            the system produced it? how so? do you REALLY believe that if we took all the guns away someone hell bent on destruction wouldn’t be able to find one? dope is illegal, gee how many people still use dope? critical thinking – not your strong suit

          • Guest

            Yes, because clearly I stated that no crime would ever occur again. Instead you have to result to straw men arguments and resign yourself to the defeatist thinking that because crime will happen anyways we should legalize all its methods. Personal nuclear weapons for all! Even rudimentary logic- not your strong suit.

          • willieB

            Oh Quinn, you’re such a turd.

          • $16179444

            your inability to see Obama was who he truly is is a tragedy.

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          I don’t see where intent matters. The point is, inanimate objects dying kill people. People kill people, be it through negligence or by design.

          • DelawareBeachHouse

            You’re changing the argument. The original, framed ironically: Cars create accidents, thus they should be banned. Guns create accidents, thus they should be banned.
            But yesterday’s shooting was no accident. If we were debating accidents, that would be one thing. We’re debating conscious acts of evil or unconscious acts of insanity, which with guns do occur, every so often. With cars, rarely.
            You got to the right place, in my opinion. Just a bad original framing.
            My view: These kinds of mass murders are the price of freedom.
            Don’t see that argument so much.

          • DelawareBeachHouse

            I recognize the argument sounds callous. Mrs. Jones, your daughter’s death is the price of freedom.
            But, it’s true. Bad shit happens. Government can’t prevent it.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Leftists don’t believe in evil, rather they ascribe to moral relativism. They attribute foul acts to everything BUT the individual responsible for the act. Therefore, the logical conclusion is to ban the implements responsible for the act no matter the cost of liberty lost to the rest of society.

          And I agree 100%… this is disgusting act and the loss of those involved doesn’t warrant flags at half-staff. Politicians no longer grasp the meaning of such, and now it’s a platitude to somehow indicate they’re “doing something” about the situation (which is a lie).

        • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

          I would have to see numbers to accept that “murders via vehicles are few and far between.” I am personally aware of a couple of domestic murders done by deliberately running over a spouse. How many cops are killed by motorists running over them to escape apprehension? How many innocents are killed by drivers committing suicide by driving into another vehicle? These are tough statistics.
          There are about 1,000,000 cases of vehicular homicide (mostly manslaughter, of course) world-wide.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Vehicular homicides, and quite deliberate ones, are common, as are vehicular suicides. Legally they are usually treated quite differently, but a number of parallels can be drawn to weapons homicides. Exact numbers are elusive and are very often classed as “accidents.” Vehicular manslaughter is very common.

  • jimmypop

    we should ban crazy people this would solve many, many more problems than just banning guns.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Alas, the problem is who gets to decide who is and is not crazy?

      • Spartacus

        Sounds like Dakota has more than a few loose screws.

  • Twinsity

    Because this wasn’t an accident.

  • fred

    I can’t think of a single incident in which a vehicle was used to deliberately kill 26+ individuals. I can think of several in recent memory where guns were. Also, since “nuclear warheads don’t kill people, people kill people” can I buy one on ebay now?

    • Spartacus

      Indirectly, Oklahoma City. But you probably blame that on Timothy McVay. The only difference there is one used a vehicle full of oiled down fertilizer and this one used a piece of pipe attached to a handle. The common factor that you refuse to recognize is the human, like you, that was involved.

      • Guest

        Nice try ‘tardicus. The common factor you refuse to see in the gun related deaths is that guns were involved.

        • Spartacus

          The common factor you refuse to acknowledge is people, there’s always a human involved. The inanimate object varies depending upon the person, but in every case you mention there’s always a human wielding the instrument you blame for the death(s). Derp your self until you’re blue in the face you’ll never change that fact and you have nothing to supply that even comes close to a valid argument supporting otherwise. You’re just as capable of being as homicidal as the kid from New Jersey, and I fear you owning a gun just as you now fear his owning one. I sleep soundly knowing I own several and if you approached me wielding a gun I stand a better than 50/50 chance of taking you out before you get me. And I want to keep it that way, that’s part of what the second amendment is about and I want to keep it that way, thank you. Now I’m off to watch Duck Dynasty re-runs, they’re more interesting than you, good day.

        • $16179444

          wow! the gun should be arrested! bad gun…..you acted all by yourself. its people like you fred that disgust me.

        • SilverStreak

          Friday…some nut case slashed 22 children with a knife at the gate to their school.
          Another attacker kills 3 children and wounds 13 with an axe.
          Other strings of knife attacks have left dozens of schoolchildren dead and dozens more injured.
          Does that mean that we should now institute tougher controls on knives and mandate training along with waiting period to buy an axe?
          Or…just accept the unpleasent fact that if someone wants to kill badly enough,they will find a way.

          http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14/15901085-villager-slashes-22-kids-with-knife-at-elementary-school-gates-in-china?lite

    • 308T

      Educate yourself about firearm use in America. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

      • Guest

        Educate about yourself about guns having a direct link to violent crime rates. https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=206421

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          Educate about yourself about guns having a direct link to violent crime rates: John Lott: More Guns, Still Less Crime http://cfif.org/v/index.php/commentary/42-constitution-and-legal/686-john-lott-more-guns-still-less-crime

          • Guest

            Wow, a blog post. Why not just link to something you farted out on your sh*tty website?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I could have given any one of a hundred references to John Lott’s work, but I doubted that your impenetrable ignorance could handle any of them. I was correct.

          • Guest

            Indeed, you were correct that you have a sh*tty website with zero credibility. A study comparing crime rates in the US is pointless as a criminal need only drive a state over and likely has easy access to black market guns nearby as a result. More comprehensive gun laws have shown to dramatically lower gun rates. You’re so widely known as an unthinking parasite incapable of any insight beyond linking to right wing sources you probably didn’t realize it though. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704353/

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            …says the spineless, no name, troll “Gusty”. *Yawn* Write when you get some new material. Or not.

          • Guest

            (Says in most annoying, pedophiliac, raspy voice possible) I could have given any one of a hundred references to the relationship between guns and crime rates, but I doubted that your impenetrable ignorance could handle any of them. I was correct. Derp.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Has anyone ever told you, Gusty, that “derp” is the closest thing to making sense you ever say? (The fact that it is tiresome and repetitive, just makes it all the more “you”.)

          • Guest

            That’s why it’s only placed after mocking your meritless, profoundly stupid beliefs like yours Goof. The fact that it annoys you makes it even more sweet.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Actually, I’ve only seen it used against me once. The mindless repetition, which you so thoroughly enjoy was observed ad nauseum in a “conversation” Gusty held with others. But, thanks for playing!

            If you believe that babbling “derp” in lieu of actual facts or logical argument is a good thing, then the word “mindless” applies to you as well.

          • Guest

            Goof complains that the use ‘derp’ is repetitive and tiresome and than posits that it’s only been used once! Derp! What a Goof!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            We’ll credit your inability to interpret the words “against me” into anything vaguely meaningful inside the vast, empty canyons of your head. Along with “The mindless repetition…observed ad nauseum in a “conversation” Gusty held with others ” .

            Really, we don’t mind you being a mindless, incompetent boob with zero reading comprehension, we just wish you would do it someplace else!

          • Guest

            And indeed you failed to interpret “like yours.” Reading comprehension is apparently very difficult for Goof, as he can’t be bothered to read studies debunking his meritless beliefs.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Yes, that “widespread debunking ” by one guy. I’ll get around to it. Probably not today. Probably before you get around to growing a spine or some balls or flossing your fecal stained teeth. Toodles, Derpmeister.

          • Guest

            Wow, what a surprise that Goof hasn’t read the study which actually cites numerous other studies debunking his claims. Goof would rather recede into his bubble and dance and the graves of dead kindergardeners rather think rationally.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “dance and (sic) the graves of dead kindergardeners (sic) rather (sic) think rationally. ”

            What kind of sick bastard are you? A stupid one, it would appear. Perhaps the lie you meant to spew through your fecal stained teeth was about dancing “on” someone’s grave. And since nothing I have written would lead any sane person to believe that I would do such a thing, I can only surmise that you are yet again projecting some of your own sick, twisted fantasies unto me.

            Please seek professional psychiatric help immediately.

          • Guest

            As Goof is the only person who thinks what happened is acceptable and is completely unwilling to support his abominable position, please seek help for your learning disability and cheerleading for more deaths of innocent children. It takes a sick mind like Goof’s to advocate for the deaths of more children.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “cheerleading for more deaths of innocent children”

            Again, no one is doing that. The imagery you continually call forth is from the well of your own perversion.

            Seek professional psychiatric help. I feel sorry for your mother.

          • Guest

            I feel real sorry that your so strong advocate for the murder of children instead of taking immediate action to stop anything like this from happening again. I feel really sorry that you’re such a terrible human being, so happy to dance on the fresh graves with a gun in hand.

          • willieB

            Speaking of profoundly stupid…

          • Guest

            Only smallwillie would introduce himself by beginning with “speaking of profoundly stupid.”

          • Onslaught1066

            I would ask gutless, but I’d like an answer that makes sense and is not dripping with profanity… What exactly is a “gun rate”?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Whatever the spineless, impotent troll could Google up, I guess! John Lott’s scholarship on the relationship between guns and crimes far exceeds anything our numbnutted “Guest” could conjure up.

          • Guest
          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            By a pointy headed liberal econ prof? I doubt it. Nice Google work though! Maybe someday you’ll actually know something yourself?

            Maybe someday you’ll learn what “widely” means, too. It’s not just your momma’s backside anymore!

            BTW, you want to explain exactly how that paper “debunked” John Lott? Or did your Google search not go into that kind of detail?

          • Guest

            Wow, way to defiantly stay in your bubble despite actual evidence your beliefs are meritless, Goof! Derp! The study cited numerous other studies debunking his work, but you wouldn’t know that since you obviously couldnt be bothered to read it. Goof has no interest in be challenged with have to think rationally. Rational thought poses a grave challenge to conservative thought, so it’s understandable why Goof would be so hesitant to ever exercise it. Goof would rather cheer for the status quo and cheer for the resultant death over innocdent kindergardeners!

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “…cheer for the status quo and cheer for the resultant death over innocdent (sic) kindergardeners (sic)!”

            Your intellectual bankruptcy is showing, Derpmeister. If you actually had an argument, you would not have to posit lies about me cheering for the death of innocent kindergarteners. (And if you ever complete the second grade, perhaps your spelling would improve, too? )

            You really are scum, aren’t you? Trying to manipulate the death of innocents for your own political advantage. Which is why I didn’t bother to read the link you Googled, because you are a dishonest POS and I have better things to do with my time than humor you.

          • Guest

            Yes, sorry for not taking the time to proofread my posts. Just as I don’t care to sit and stare and dog sh*t on the sidewalk, I don’t care to spend more time conversing with you than necessary. Thank you for being able to unable to defend your meritless arguments and throwing the puzzling criticism that all I’ve done is linked to a study when that’s all you’ve done as well (nor provided any semblance of a reason why that study is not persuasive). Only a Goof like you would ignore such a double standard and would cheer for the deaths of these innocent children so he can pretend the ownership of a gun compensates for his impotence.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            If you don’t care enough to express yourself properly, why should any of us care what you “think”*? I have cheered for no one’s death. Why you would presume that your arguments were so weak, feeble and lame that you had to stoop to the slimiest of ad hominems, in lieu of arguments, is beyond me, much as logic, reasoning and common decency are beyond you.

            *Your ability to think, unproven here, could be like Sasquatch or the Easter Bunny…believed by some, doubted by most.

          • Guest

            Wow, what a surprise that Goof’s case is so weak that best he can do counter the research debunking is “study” is attacking me. It’s not a surprise, as Goof would rather recede into the debauchery of celebrating the death of innocent toddlers as if his gun rights would ever compensate for his incompetence and impotence.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “…debauchery of celebrating the death of innocent toddlers”

            It would seem that you believe that repeating the same sick lie over and over will make it believable somehow? You cannot produce so much as a single word I have written that in any way coincides with your sick fantasies, disgusting lies and outrageous libels.

            Please stop fantasizing about anyone celebrating the death of toddlers and call a professional psychiatric counselor for help.

            The only one “celebrating” anything hear is you, Derpmeister. If you had so much as a single shred of human decency, you would stop.

          • Guest

            Yes, sorry for not taking the time to proofread my posts. Just as I don’t care to sit and stare and dog crap on the sidewalk, I don’t care to spend more time conversing with you than necessary. Thank you for being able to unable to defend your meritless arguments and throwing the puzzling criticism that all I’ve done is linked to a study when that’s all you’ve done as well (nor have you provided any semblance of a reason why that study is not persuasive because you’re either to dumb or lazy to read anything that might contradict your pre-determined beliefs). Only a Goof like you would ignore such a double standard and would cheer at the deaths of these innocent children as the cost of gun ownership he mistakenly believes compensates for his impotence.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            ” I don’t care to sit and stare and dog crap on the sidewalk”

            We know. You scoop it up and post it here.

          • Guest

            I’m not posting it, I’m responding to it- Goof somehow thinks that posting to a blog post that’s been widely debunked somehow counts for something and celebrates the death of innocent kindergartners. LOL DERP.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Since no one here is “celebrating” the death of anyone, should we take it that you have an unhealthy fascination, fixation, and/or enjoyment of the death of children?

            Please seek professional psychiatric help before you hurt yourself or someone else.

          • Guest

            As someone who dances on the graves of children so he can have gun that wont compensate for his impotence anyway, please seek out a preschool so you can be taught basic reasoning and also how to wipe better so your posts and pants are less $hit stained.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You have nothing but sick, vicious and twisted ad hominems. I dance on no one’s grave. Do you get some perverted pleasure from pretending that other people are as sick and twisted as yourself?

            The projection of your impotence and incontinence are duly noted.

          • Guest

            For someone who cried so vigorously over mirroring insults, it’s curious that the best you can do is deflect your impotence and advocacy for infanticide back to me. I want to stop something like this from ever happening again and Goof is content to see even more children die.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Poor Gusty! Too many years he was content to watch even more of his brain cells die. Amazing he has any left! Is it insanity for you to make the same baseless charge over and over expecting different results?

            Please seek professional psychiatric help.

          • Guest

            You’re the person advocating for guns and the consequent slaughter of children and thus I implore you to take your own advice and please seek professional psychiatric for wanting to see children dead as a result of your gun fetish.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            You know, one of the differences between you and I, (aside from the fact that I’m a rational human being and you clearly are not), is that fact that I could argue that the presence of a single firearm in the hands of one of those teachers or administrators might have minimized or averted this tragedy, but I do not try to lay the blame for the murder of these children at your feet, because you oppose the presence of armed citizens, or characterize you as “celebrating” their deaths or “dancing on their graves”.

            Your attempts to politicize the tragic death of children, smearing the opponents you have no prayer of beating in a rational and reasoned debate, are duly noted.

          • Guest

            I have no doubt Goof believes he is being rational and humane, but in actuality he merely provided one link to a study and than criticizes another for posting a link to study which exposes the flaws of the former study and refuses to consider anything that may counter his stubborn pre-determined beliefs. Goof labels trying to fix the problem as politicizing it and is such a blind advocate for guns and the consequent slaughter of children that he should take his own advice and please seek professional psychiatric for wanting to see children dead as a result of his gun fetish.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Nothing you have said dissproves anything I have said. You are defined by your irrational hatred and envy of me. Get a life, or seek professional psychiatric help.

          • Guest

            If Goof lazily provides a link to a study and then wants to pretend another study that exposes the flaws in that “research” doesn’t exist, it’s just more evidence of Goof’s worsening senility. As Goof is such a blind advocate for guns and the consequent murder of children, he should take his own advice and please seek professional psychiatric for wanting to see children dead as a result of his gun fetish.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Another difference between you and I (aside from the fact that you are a lying POS and I am not), is that I have held my newborn, infant children in my arms. Caring for the young and helpless is not merely a theoretical abstract to me, much as sexual congress with a woman is with you.

            Your continued fantasies of anyone celebrating the deaths of helpless innocents is duly noted.

          • Guest

            Thank you for being repeatedly unable to defend your indefensible beliefs and resorting to the ad hominem attacks, which you so sorely decried before, adding hypocrisy to your list of truly heinous qualities, Goof.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Your projection is duly noted.

          • Guest

            Your abominable condition and positions are duly noted.

          • Guest

            And perhaps if any of Goof’s “children” (quotations used as the salaciousness of his paid escorts casts grave doubts about any particular individual’s paternity) are dying as a result of gun violence, Goof can happily explain to them how their death is an acceptable byproduct of his gun fetish.

          • Guest

            Oh Onshat1066, you’re such a sh*thead!

          • Onslaught1066

            You mean like the opinion pieces in lieu of fact you’re always touting.

            Oh hannitard, you’re such a hannitard.

          • Guest

            A scientific study is not an opinion.

            Oh Onshat1066, you’re such a sh*thead!

          • Onslaught1066

            No, I don’t suppose it is…

            Would you care to share one with us?

            If you ever happen to stumble across one that is.

          • Guest

            One was linked above.

            Oh Onshat1066, you’re such a sh*thead!

          • Onslaught1066

            Opinion yes, fact, not even close.

            Care to try again?

          • Guest

            Scientific research is a fact, Onshat1066.

            Oh Onshat1066, you’re such a sh*thead!

          • Onslaught1066

            Yes, it is.

            And if you ever come across some, it might be nice if you would share.

            Until then your fact-less opinion pieces don’t impress me any.

          • Guest

            One was linked above.

            Oh Onshat1066, you’re such a sh*thead!

          • Onslaught1066

            In your opinion, but as you have pointed out, opinion does not equal fact.

            Now climb back on your hamster wheel, tiny rodent.

          • Guest

            Scientific research is a fact, Onshat1066.

            Oh Onshat1066, you’re such a sh*thead!

          • Onslaught1066

            If you ever come across one, feel free to share.

          • Guest

            A scientific study was linked above.

            Oh Onshat1066, you’re such a sh*thead!

          • Onslaught1066

            Yes, yes, you said that already.

            if you ever come across a fact, don’t hesitate to share it with us, won’t you?

  • Davo

    For two: We have discussions all the time, not about *banning* automobiles, but about how to make automobiles safer–changes in the way we drive them, and the way we manufacture them. These discussions intensify after particularly tragic automobile accidents, and led to the creation of MADD, DUI laws, passenger-side airbags and all sorts of other safety features, designed to reduce the needless loss of life.

    Americans hate it when lots of people die senselessly, and want to explore ways to reduce that. No one wants another tragedy like we just had in Newtown–we’re all asking ourselves what we can do to prevent it from happening again. Whether that’s through gun control, school policy changes, conceal&carry permits, or what, all sides are looking for the same thing.

    • Spartacus

      Bottom line is that the kid was bent on killing. If you had your way and he had no gun he’d have likely just went to a sporting goods store and bought a couple of baseball bats and started clubbing kids like an Inuit during baby seal season, only less humane. The gun didn’t pick the kid, the kid picked up the gun, case closed.

      • Guest

        What a stupid argument ‘tardicus. Even if he would’ve gone to the school with a bat, there’s no way he would’ve been able to kill as many kids. Stop and look at what your defending- a legal framework that allowed this psycho to brutally murder so many innocent kids. You’re disgusting if you think this is acceptable.

        • Spartacus

          What makes you think that? Like Rob mentioned, a guy in China killed 22 kids in a classroom today with a knife. It’s in today’s news, if you pay attention. The guy in China makes the kid in Ct sound like a piker when you consider their choices of inanimate objects they chose to use to kill.

          • Guest

            Exactly, since people use will use lesser tools for murder all murder weapons should be legal! Personal nuclear weapons for all. You’re so smart ‘tardicus. Derp.

  • sbark

    This country has always had guns….25 yrs ago, 50,100, 200 yrs ago

    What has changed for this increase in incidence of mass murders?

    Is it the media or the many forms of media that give these types their 15 minutes of fame for doing something so atrocious?

    or………is it that we just have more non-thinking very emotional people, who substitute extreme emotions for thought …..being pumped into society by our educ. system. These people are taught to hate our society, our history, our acheivments, our sucessful people, our entire way of life………..and we wonder why they go off the reservation?

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Why?
    Because we are not douche nozzle nutters.

    • Spartacus

      The kid was 24 and from New Jersey. ‘Nuff said.

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        My bad.

        I should have written: some of us are not douche nozzle nutters.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    All the victims were white so that should please Democrat Liberal, Obama supporter, Jamie Foxx quite alott

  • Thresherman

    If gun control has merit, then all that has to be done is institute it in Israel and the West Bank. Naturally, no one advocates this because they know that one side is batshit crazy and Israel has a need to defend itself. But when it comes to defending ourselves against our own batshit crazies, the brain dead left thinks that it will suddeny work here, despite all the evidence to the contrary..

  • $16179444

    gee, your ‘president’ with his weak attempt at tears at the death of these kids, yet opens his arms for abortion. disgusting.

  • $16179444

    hmm, Norway has some of the strictest gun control laws and yet the attack on the summer camp happened. hmmmmm……..lets ban everything! fucking simple minded rubes.

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    Guns are specially designed for killing unlike such weapons as knives and axes, which can be used for a variety of other purposes. This makes guns something magical to the primitive mind. It has been common throughout history to attribute magical powers to weapons—that they actually possess a killing power of their own, a sort of mana or mulungu that makes a particular sword or club more effective than others, especially in the hands of the “right person.” A huge part of the gun-phobia is simple primitive animistic thinking which still exists in people everywhere, and especially in those who deem themselves “modern” and “sophisticated.” Some years ago automobile makers were pressured to avoid the use of aggressive names for automobile models. Primitive, bogeyman thinking.

    • Onslaught1066

      Repeating patterns such as rituals, automatic responses without
      conscious thought, predictability, fear of losing job, or spouse, or
      home, or dying, lack of money & resources, and the unknown are all
      response created by the reptilian brain.

      Sound like every liberal on this board?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=74603543 Jordan W Green

    The difference between guns and cars is that we have enacted common sense regulations of motor vehicles that have cut down drastically in per-capita deaths from motor vehicles. Common sense regulations of guns (not banning guns) would do the same. Require registration of firearms and require that the registered owner prove his or her possession of firearm periodically, require training and education, and require background checks. If you’re really going to follow through on the motor vehicle analogy, people that are deemed medically unfit to drive are not allowed to drive, and the same could go for gun ownership. If you are a law abiding citizen, none of this will prevent you from obtaining a firearm, but it will make it more difficult for ner-do-wells to obtain a firearm. Yes, they can always use a knife or other weapon, but I could also mow you down with my bicycle. Its a lot easier to avoid a knife than a gun, just as its a lot easier to dodge my trek than it is to avoid my Nissan.

    Also, would everyone just stop saying derp, it makes you sound like immature assholes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/edward.p.cox Edward P Cox

    26+ people dead every day due to non essential driving. Ban non essential driving.

  • http://www.facebook.com/edward.p.cox Edward P Cox

    Put the blame squarely where it belongs, the Democratic
    Party. They were behind the overthrow of commitment laws and closing mental
    asylums in the 1970s. Thanks to the Democrats the entire country has become one
    big asylum. And Democrats insist these mentally deranged people have civil
    rights including the right to buy guns.

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