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10-12-07
NARAL’s (abortion) political director Elizabeth Shipp acknowledged it “would help” the pro-choice movement if a Republican proved it was possible to win the presidency while still supporting abortion rights (ie… Rudy Giuliani) .

Interesting how the Indians taking away the right of usage, gives a whole new meaning to Indian Giver, huh?

Why should they?  The matter’s been settled between the parties.

Settled?  Hardly.  UND now has to get some sort of tribal authority to give them permission to use the name.

Dorgan, Conrad and Pomeroy could help facilitate that process.  But they won’t.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Rob I am glad that you brought this up and I am surprised this discussion wasn’t brought up earlier, I will tell you why because the three amigos are big time leftist and don’t want to piss off their base, if they came out in favor of this they could suffer the loss of votes from the three affliated tribes.

I actually think we should write them in masse and get them to at least respond to the issue.

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I can think of nothing that a Congressman should concern himself with less. 

Purchase a license from them.  If they don’t want to sell one, change your name.

I can think of nothing that a Congressman should concern himself with less.

Members of Congress shouldn’t concern themselves with their constituent’s concerns over an issue involving a state-owned school’s dispute with a national collegiate sports organizations and federally-recognized indigenous peoples?

Purchase a license from them.  If they don’t want to sell one, change your name.

The “Sioux” name isn’t anyone’s to license, really.  But frankly, UND got permission from tribal leadership years ago to use the nickname.  The problem is that the tribes are highly disorganized, and turnover among leadership is constant.

There’s got to be a better way to settle this.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Rob,that you don’t like the settlement is irrelevant.  If the congressional delegation did get involved then you would complain about them being nannystaters, pandering to the reservations or to the big UND donators.

Rob writes: 

Dorgan, Conrad and Pomeroy could help facilitate that process.  But they won’t.

The name will be most likely be changed within three years as I hardly think the tribes will change their minds at this time. Once the name is changed this will all fade and UND will go on to be as strong as it is now.  The school is so much more than the name of its teams.

The “Sioux” name isn’t anyone’s to license, really.  But frankly, UND got permission from tribal leadership years ago to use the nickname.

The NCAA seems to disagree with you and since they are the ones who hold the hamer, license the damn name. Once you license it the turnover in the tribe is irrelevant until the license expires. 

Members of Congress shouldn’t concern themselves with their constituent’s concerns over an issue involving a state-owned school’s dispute with a national collegiate sports organizations and federally-recognized indigenous peoples?

The fact that you are passionate about this does not make it important.  Our Congressman have better ways to spend their time.

The fact that you are passionate about this does not make it important.  Our Congressman have better ways to spend their time.

Right.  Like name post offices and stuff.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Rob,that you don’t like the settlement is irrelevant.  If the congressional delegation did get involved then you would complain about them being nannystaters, pandering to the reservations or to the big UND donators.

How does facilitating a settlement between a state-run school and a federally-recognized tribe constitute big government or nanny-statism?  Personally, I think the colleges should be privatized and that tribes shouldn’t be singled out for special treatment, but those things aren’t at issue here.  The UND Nickname, which the vast majority of North Dakotans want to stay, is.

Byron Dorgan sits in the Indian Affairs Committee and is doing nothing about it.  Because if he did he might not get a big, fat campaign check from Peter Angelos or George Soros next campaign season or something.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Rob, the vast majority of people want out of Iraq....
Oh and you can tell you are all pumped up after the big big weekend in Bismarck.

the vast majority of people want out of Iraq....

And on a global scale, the vast majority of people are out of Iraq!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

How does facilitating a settlement between a state-run school and a federally-recognized tribe constitute big government or nanny-statism?

I don’t think it is either, I think its cherry picking the popular issue.

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Rob, the vast majority of people want out of Iraq....

Way to try and change the subject, Puzzled.  Spin, spin, spin.

Oh and you can tell you are all pumped up after the big big weekend in Bismarck.

Is it because I’m seeming even more smarter than you than usual?

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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How does facilitating a settlement between a state-run school

Have your state government get involved.  At least than it would be relevant to their job.  North Dakota does have a governor doesn’t it?  He is ultimately responsible for the state universities isn’t he?  Maybe he should get involved.

Have your state government get involved.  At least than [sic] it would be relevant to their job.

So...now, because it’s inconvenient for the liberalism of our elected Congressional representation, we can’t expect them to address the issues their constituency is involved with?

And this isn’t just a state’s issues.  Indian tribes are the domain of the Feds.

But you keep flailing away, Les.  You know what they say about those monkeys, the typewriters and Shakespeare.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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The “Sioux” name isn’t anyone’s to license, really.  But frankly, UND got permission from tribal leadership years ago to use the nickname.

The irony is that Sioux is not the real name of these tribes (real names are like Dakota, Ogalla, etc.) but is the name given to them by French trappers.

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

Sioux is ... the name given to them by French trappers.

Ah! Then we’ll negotiate with the French!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

He [Governor Hoeven] is ultimately responsible for the state universities isn’t he?

Yes he appointed the Board of Higher Education which agreed to this crappy deal. 

Great work Governor.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

The irony is that Sioux is not the real name of these tribes (real names are like Dakota, Ogalla, etc.) but is the name given to them by French trappers.

Good point, though one that’s rather moot for modern issues.  Even the Indians have taken to referring to themselves as Sioux.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Even the Indians have taken to referring to themselves as Sioux.

Not really The Spirit Lake Nation doesn’t but we’re still supposed to get their approval.

If you search one of their website you’ll only find some historical naming of the tribe, references to Sioux Manufacturing and such.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Good point, though one that’s rather moot for modern issues.  Even the Indians have taken to referring to themselves as Sioux.

Rob, internally most Indian tribes refer to themselves with their traditional names however externally they will often use their designated names.  All in all, I would guess that behind the scenes, the tribe members are getting a good laugh about this name fiasco.

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

Rob, internally most Indian tribes refer to themselves with their traditional names however externally they will often use their designated names.

That’s not been my experience (which has included some rather extensive interaction with Indian tribes), but I’m sure each region of the country is different.

Regardless, I’m sure you’re right about the laughing part.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Rob writes:

Members of Congress shouldn’t concern themselves with their constituent’s concerns over an issue involving a state-owned school’s dispute with a national collegiate sports organizations and federally-recognized indigenous peoples?

Rob writes: 

How does facilitating a settlement between a state-run school and a federally-recognized tribe constitute big government or nanny-statism?

Obviously you don’t get it Rob, there is no issue now, no court case, zip, nada, bupkis.  It’s been settled.  North Dakota has already agreed to the settlement.  The papers are signed, the ink is dry.  Again, that you don’t like it and expect the congressional delegation to make the Indian tribes agree to the use of the Sioux name just ain’t gonna happen.

And actually my analogy was right on point,Rob, that you called it spin, spin, spin, is your abject inability to address it. You use polls to support your contention that the majority of NDers want the name retained and I used the example of the polls against the war.  Sorry I have to explain it to you.