Who Won Last Night’s Debate?

Partisans will certainly disagree. Rabid partisans will disagree rabidly, but the edge went to John McCain last night. Here’s why and who thinks so:
First, we’ll give the devil his due. Slate magazine, decidedly left of center, calls the debate “a tie” : Tie Goes to Obama: Neither candidate won a clear victory.. A tie, huh? Let’s see how they come to that!

Obama and McCain looked like equals onstage. McCain turned in a marginally stronger performance, but Obama looked strong enough, and in a tough year for Republicans with Obama leading in the polls, that’s a victory for the Democrat.

So, according to Slate, McCain’s debate performance was stronger, but when you’re a Democrat, just coming in second is a victory? Oooooookay!

Obama did what he needed to do to convince people he could be commander in chief—his challenge for the night.

That is, shall we say, no pun intended…debatable! In foreign policy and all matters military, young Obama looked plainly out of his depth.
Who else called this one? Newsweek, an also slightly left of center publication called it for…McCain! McCain Won. But Will it Matter? The article starts off:

If tonight’s presidential face-off between Barack Obama and John McCain were held before, say, the Princeton University Debating Society, it might have been scored a tie.

Whoa! Slate says McCain was stronger, but it was a tie, this guy says McCain won, but it was kind of a tie! Talk about giving your Democratic also ran benefit of the doubt!

But alas: presidential debates aren’t scored scientifically. Committed partisans may keep track of everything their guy got right. But undecided swing voters–the ones who will decide the election–don’t tally up points. Instead, they link what happens on stage–in a broad, impressionistic sense–to the narratives they’d already heard about the candidates. Which means it’s up to the two men performing at the podiums to reinforce the positive, preexisting story lines and disprove the negative ones.
Tonight, John McCain was the more effective performer.
There are two reasons why. The first is that he constantly–obsessively, really–spiked his responses with small but pointed jabs at Obama that unfailingly related to subjects he (McCain) wanted to talk about, whatever the original topic of discussion. This tactic had a dual effect. First, Obama couldn’t help but take the bait; he must’ve said “that’s not true,” “let me correct the record” or “I just have to respond” a dozen times over the course of the evening. Second, Obama’s defensiveness immediately shifted the conversation to McCain’s home turf–where it remained, often for minutes at a time.

This Presidential race is a referendum on Barack Obama: Is he worth the risk? Does he have the Right Stuff? Clearly, he has to do more than show up and not make terribly stupid blunders. He had to look Presidential. Unfortunately, for the young machine politician from Chicago, that takes more than creating your own Presidential seal, standing in front of 10 Downing Street as if it were a Hollywood set, it requires gravitas, to borrow a phrase from elections past. Obama doesn’t quite make the cut!
Politico’s Ben Smith:

The mild consensus in the press file was that McCain won, if not in particularly dramatic fashion. The two insta-polls out — from CBS and CNN — found the opposite: That Obama won by a wide margin. CBS had it 39% to 25% for Obama, CNN 51% to 38%. Maybe the difference was expectations.

Or, polls can be spammed. Ask Ron Paul!
Without knowing the sampling involved, I’ll wait for a more reliable poll. What Obama needed to do was allay the fears that he could handle the job. His whiny Al Gore impersonation of muttering softly while McCain was speaking didn’t endear him to anyone as an adult, much less Leader of the Free World!
Advantage: McCain
Cross Posted at Proof Positive

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  • http://Array pparets

    Hannitized: With his usual complete objectivity…

    McCain stuttered on many occasion, changed his thought mid way through some answers and couldn’t even pronounce Ahmadinejad’s name.

    What? Now you’re an expert on oratory?

  • Hannitized

    McCain won! He spoke clearly with conviction. He clearly Loves this country and will protect it with every fiber of his being.

    That is not true. McCain stuttered on many occasion, changed his thought mid way through some answers and couldn’t even pronounce Ahmadinejad’s name. That is a poor reflection of his ability to show he is supposedly the foreign policy leader.

    Zsa Zsa is delusional, or dishonest.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Obama is a Dud. The ONLY time I felt he had any strength was when he spoke about how he got his name. He is no doubt an attractive, nice looking man in his suit with his Flag Pin on. BUT when it comes down to it Obama is clearly a Socialist who is will spend spend spend.
    McCain won! He spoke clearly with conviction. He clearly Loves this country and will protect it with every fiber of his being. Of the two Candidates he has what it takes to be President of the USA. Obama does Not!

  • mplsbob

    Obama started out looking stronger but was diminished as McCain picked up steam. I’ve heard that McCain can get under the skin of his candidate and watched that happen last night. Obama called John McCain Jim, Tom and was on the defensive for most of the debate.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I have been asked by the Obama campaign to be polite where my foes may not offer the same courtesy.

    That’s right! Hannitized is…Joe Biden! Heh.

  • Pilgrim

    Being as objective as I can, I have to give the edge to McCain but in no thunderous way.

    Obama read from a well memorized script and did well at it. Well enough, at least, that McCain winning the debate won’t swing anyone in the tank for Obama.

    McCain needs to stay away from “back in the day” references. I think that hurts him.

    I have to say this….having done what I’ve done for a living for the past 20 years I had the impression that I was looking and listening to a con man as I watched Obama. A slick one at that.

  • Hannitized

    What? Now you’re an expert on oratory?

    Not at all PP. I was simply pointing out the dramatic contrast between reality and the comment made by Zsa Zsa.

    I don’t understand how someone can be so blinded by partisanship.

  • http://www.wethepeopleforum.com/forum/forums.asp golfmann

    McCain trumps best when his sense of humor causes people to laugh at Obama’s pomposity. That’s what we need more of.

    the “there you go again” approach works best, I think…

  • carrick

    RBB:

    McCain clung to his podium like a junior high school kid clings to the wall at his first dance.

    That’s RBB for you…. all substance.

    LOL. NOT.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Even on a night where Obama let McCain control the economic debate and rant about meaningless earmarks, he still one.

    He still one what? Meaningless earmark? I’ll give you the “meaningless” part! Heh.

  • pparets

    Woof: Good point, but then, I never expected Obama to pass out from fear anyway. :)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    McCain clung to his podium like a junior high school kid clings to the wall at his first dance.

    By never looking Obama in the eye, Flipper exposed his deep fear and obvious concession to Obama’s superiority as a presidential nominee.

    I will give Old John kudos for his overt and damning acknowledgment of bush’s use of torture and his vow to never let it happen again. Good for you John.

    It was a draw.

  • RebTex

    I found the debate, on the whole, a draw.
    One was well rehearsed & delivered in a plain vanilla style.
    THe other was from the heart but without extra passion.
    Both are good debate styles but neither stood above.
    I would only guess that the main faux pas would be the obama reference to Kissenger’s statement, which was rebutted by Kissenger immediately after the debate.
    Toward the end, McCain targeted the main objective of the debate & spelled out why he would be the better man.
    If there was an edge,as thin as it was, that’d be it.

  • Lestat

    This election is about Obama and it’s all about projecting an image.

    McCain has tried to control Obama’s image by portraying him as a naive radical. However Obama did not look like a naive radical, he looked like a knowledgeable moderate.

    As long as Obama looks like a knowledgeable moderate he will smoke this election.

    Even on a night where Obama let McCain control the economic debate and rant about meaningless earmarks, he still one.

  • deadrody

    I thought Obama did better than I expected and McCain didn’t do as well as I expected. I paused the debate numerous times to comment on some total BS that Obama was saying and expected McCain to hammer him along the same lines as I was thinking, but he never did.

    What I’d like to see is some confirmation of the things Obama claimed he has “done”. I don’t remember the specific issue, but close to the end he said he “Led in the Senate on that back in April”. I tend not to believe anything he says as a rule, but I’m pretty sure he was campaigning against Hillary in April and nowhere’s NEAR the Senate in ANY capacity.

    The problem for McCain, I think, is that Obama presents himself really well and if you are likely to believe that tax cuts are bad for the economy (which they aren’t in the least), then Obama will gets points for just about everything he says. You really have to understand that he is full of shit most of the time. He sure was convincing in saying that a $10 a week tax cut for the low and middle incomes will be a boon to the economy. Ridiculous and stupid, but convincing.

  • pparets

    McCain needed to be much, much more aggressive last night in attacking Obama.

    Couldn’t disagree more. The dems and the MSM have been working for months to create an image of McCain as a grumpy, bomb ‘em back to hell, rage-filled man.

    His steady, reasoned drubbing of the Senator from Illinois was – according to the DRUDGE poll – where real voters get to weigh in – the right thing to do.

    McCain trumps best when his sense of humor causes people to laugh at Obama’s pomposity. That’s what we need more of.

  • http://www.thedailyslant.com/ Hairy Polemic

    Slate is right (hate to admit it). With the media so much against him, and with public opinion so slanted, partly thanks to media, against Republicans, McCain needs to pummel Obama by a large margin in order to override the default feelings against him. Last night’s “marginal victory” won’t cut it.

  • Wing Chun Geologist

    McCain won.

    But with the media so actively rooting for the community organizer, he needed to do more than win.

  • pparets

    Hannitized:

    I have been asked by the Obama campaign to be polite where my foes may not offer the same courtesy. We were asked to build something when others tear things down.

    Please… please don’t tell us that you also… never mind…

  • Hannitized

    Please… please don’t tell us that you also… never mind…

    I didn’t say anything except of what was asked. The request was made of its audience and its supporters.

    I can’t help that I am personal friends with the family. And it is really not a big deal. At least not to me. It’s interesting, and only gives me some additional insight, but it doesn’t mean much more than that.

  • Jerry

    Anyone who’s been asked by the Obama Camp to be Polite, must have a Bad Habit of Impoliteness..

  • MMA Grappler

    McCain looked like someone who could lead the free world.

    Obama looked like someone who could lead a bunch of college students in a sit-in.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    IF McCain and Obama were in a fist fight? I would put my money on McCain.

  • robert108

    I don’t understand how someone can be so blinded by partisanship.

    That’s because you are blinded by your own partisanship.

    pp: Don’t forget; he works for a utility!

  • Lestat

    I rewatched alot of this on CNN and they had a group of Republicans, Democrats and Independents who who rate their approval in real time.

    The Democrats scores were almost always higher during Obama’s portion. The Independents were generally higher during Obama’s portion. But shockingly the Republicans also seemed to score Obama higher.

    People like Obama better.

  • maria ashram

    sorry i have to repost due to corrections: i have been a life long democrate but obama really is not ready to lead…i was praying for a democratic president but it would be naive to think this man is perpared to lead this great country by the way mccain so won the debate

  • maria ashram

    i have been a life long democrate but obama really is not ready to lead…i was praying for democratic presdient but it would be naive to think this man is perpaid to lead this great country by the way mccain so won the debate

  • pparets

    Hannitized:

    Editorial opinions don’t mean as much to me as what your average intelligent American thinks…

    Well, Hannitized, this is what your “average intelligent American” thinks about last night’s debate…

    {{{{DRUDGE POLL}}}} WHO WON THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?…

    MCCAIN: 68% 233,378
    OBAMA: 30% 102,400
    NEITHER: 2% 8,419

    Total Votes: 344,197

  • Hannitized

    PP,

    Would you agree that people who visit the Drudge site might not represent an accurate balance of both parties?

    OXFORD, Mississippi (CNN) — A national poll of people who watched the first presidential debate suggests that Barack Obama came out on top, but there was overwhelming agreement that both Obama and John McCain would be able to handle the job of president if elected.

    We will see how the polls work out this week. We won’t be able to argue that.

  • pparets

    Hannitized:

    Would you agree that people who visit the Drudge site might not represent an accurate balance of both parties?

    How the hell would I [or you] know?

    The issue is how did the American people see the debate. More people visit DRUDGE than any other news site on the web.

  • Hannitized

    I will repeat what I said in another thread, last night, before the papers came out with their conclusions.

    I agree Lestat. Obama came across as weak to many, but still commanded a presidential presence over McCain.

    But this is so only because McCain came across as an angry and resentful man. If Obama had acted as McCain behaved, he would be labeled an “angry black man”.

    I was at an Obama campaign rally last night and I spoke to Maya Soetoro-Ng (Obama’s sister). Maya said that Barack will continue to represent what we all have learned from living in Hawaii. He will carry the spirit of Aloha, and he did, as he always does.

    Obama came across as a nice guy, a intelligent man and a articulate man.

    Barack may have missed the opportunity to own the debate on the economy, but I think he will have time to recover. And as you said Lestat. He was also tasked with the added burden of showing America that he has the poise and temperment of an American president, and he accomplished that with flying colors.

    Guys like Robert108 will never admit it, because they cling to their bitterness and hatred. But you can not deny that Obama was respectful and genuine and McCain was angry and disrespectful. McCain’s behavior did not reflect the American traditions of common courtesy that I grew up with.

    I know I have been extremely abrasive on this site. I will try to do better on this blog. But the temperament and attitude that is set by the SAB veterans is anything but polite or courteous. Therefore, I offer no promises.

    I have been asked by the Obama campaign to be polite where my foes may not offer the same courtesy. We were asked to build something when others tear things down.

    In todays world, that is a lovely sentiment, but I am not sure it will win us any votes or converts. I am trying to determine if the rough edge helps or hinders. I am undecided.

    As are as the initial response to the debates, it appears to be Obama’s advantage.

    UPDATED WITH FINAL NUMBERS CBS News and Knowledge Networks conducted a nationally representative poll of approximately 500 uncommitted voters reacting to the debate in the minutes after it happened.

    Thirty-nine percent of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Barack Obama was the winner. Twenty-four percent thought John McCain won. Thirty-seven percent saw it as a draw.

    Forty-six percent of uncommitted voters said their opinion of Obama got better tonight. Thirty-two percent said their opinion of McCain got better.

    Sixty-six percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-two percent think McCain would.

    Forty-eight percent of these voters think Obama would make the right decisions about Iraq. Fifty-six percent think McCain would.

    We will have a full report on the poll later on. Uncommitted voters are those who don’t yet know who they will vote for, or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds.

    The margin of sampling error could be plus or minus 4 percentage points for results based on the entire sample.

    You can’t argue with facts and the polls show Obama won. Editorial opinions don’t mean as much to me as what your average intelligent American thinks, and they think Obama won.

    Sorry fellers!!

  • RebTex

    Also, who cares about Kissinger, the war criminal?

    Obviously MANY care about his opinions due to the continual calls on him to help with issues & his participation on the world stage.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Also, who cares about Kissinger, the war criminal?

    I guess that would be Barack O’Blurry, since he was the one who brought him!

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Again, if you see the election as a referendum on Obama, Obama needed a K O and didn’t get it.
    Tie doesn’t go to the runner up!
    To quote the headline of today’s Plain Dealer:

    Toe to Toe, but no K O

  • carrick

    All WOOF could do was pick on old people. That’s a sign that Obama lost. Even with the soft expectations that most people, probably including WOOF, had of him.

  • Ashley Bahlau

    I can’t believe that anybody is falling for this Obama act… we are voting for President of the United States of America!!! not who looks best or who is going to play him in some Hollywood movie… it’s not about who is “cool” to vote for… I want my President to be truely proud to be an American and have our best interests at heart… and John McCain is that man… HE IS NOT GEORGE BUSH… this is a serious decision and not to be taken lightly!!!! Don’t be fooled by the media and Hollywood…… and McCain isn’t going to die in the next 4 years so give up that “he’s old” arguement… he’s been around and he is a fighter who wants to reach across partisan lines to get things done… Obama won’t work across party lines to come up with the best ideas for our country… he’s so full of himself… and his idea of “rich” is a joke!!!! We need to work together… especially figuring out this housing market epidemic!!!! Please make the right choice and vote MCCAIN!!!!!

  • richNJ

    Obama = lawyer. Lawyers do not build anything. They dice and slice and tear things apart. Just as old BO is doing now. As to why people like him? Thats easy. He is giving away free shi*. My generation, the baby boomers, will reach out and take anything they can get their hands on. They majority of baby boomers do not know how to act responsibly or take responsibility for their actions. We have seen that over the years where the first thing you do is sue if you feel slighted. My little johnny did not do anything wrong, Yes I spent more than I should on this object but its because the seller told me it was okay. Its not my fault. So, as long as he is giving things away, the baby boomer generation will salivate and push the bell. And yes I am turning into a very cynical old man.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    McCain looked like someone who could lead the free world.

    Obama looked like someone who could lead a bunch of college students in a sit-in.

    Heh.

  • Ashley Bahlau

    I can’t believe that anybody is falling for this Obama act… we are voting for President of the United States of America!!! not who looks best or who is going to play him in some Hollywood movie… it’s not about who is “cool” to vote for… I want my President to be truely proud to be an American and have our best interests at heart… and John McCain is that man… HE IS NOT GEORGE BUSH… this is a serious decision and not to be taken lightly!!!! Don’t be fooled by the media and Hollywood…… and McCain isn’t going to die in the next 4 years so give up that “he’s old” arguement… he’s been around and he is a fighter who wants to reach across partisan lines to get things done… Obama won’t work across party lines to come up with the best ideas for our country… he’s so full of himself… and his idea of “rich” is a joke!!!! We need to work together… especially figuring out this housing market epidemic!!!! Please make the right choice and vote MCCAIN!!!!!

  • Jerry

    Obama looked pretty darn good…
    But, looks arn’t everything. Although, they “can” be if not countered Effectively.

    McCain didn’t “look” as good. But, he looked “in Charge”..

    I think it will come down to issues. McCain must make the case very well, that Taxing people who “invest” in the economy and “create” Jobs, will do less of it.

  • Hannitized

    I didn’t ask you to know, I asked if you think the people who visit Drudges site “might” not be a balanced number of Americans from each party.

    I think it is obvious that a site such as Drudge does not use the standard methods used to gain accurate polls. I think it is obvious their methods do not take this into account.

  • pparets

    Hannitized:

    I asked if you think the people who visit Drudges site “might” not be a balanced number of Americans from each party.

    Are you suggesting that the DRUDGE poll is only valid if it reflects a ‘balanced’ number of dems and repubs? Or that dems would always choose Obama? Or that repubs would only pick McCain?

    Like the voting booth, anonimity allows people to say what they really think; a fact which the Obama camp frequently finds troubling.

    Since DRUDGE is the most visited news site on the internet, I think it is safe to assume that millions of dems and repubs go there.

    What is there about the results which you find so hard to accept?

  • Nahanni

    Also, who cares about Kissinger, the war criminal?

    Obviously your clay footed Obamamessiah does because he distorted Kissinger’s words and got his stupid ass caught doing so and now his loser Obamaniac trolls such as yourself are either trying to spin it or dismiss the whole situation.

  • Mickey

    McCain won. Obama was on defense right from the bell. Obama put up a good fight considering he was up against a man twice his age. (heh heh heh)

    “Never get in a fight with an older man, he doesn’t care how badly he hurts you”

  • robert108

    IF McCain and Obama were in a fist fight? I would put my money on McCain.

    Obama’s a pencilneck geek.

  • WOOFX

    Soon as he gets a map.

    McCain looked like someone who could lead the free world.

    Show me where Spain is again, a NATO ally, really?

  • WOOFX

    Both candidates remained vertical.
    That’s a win for one.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Em. Who cares about who would win a fist fight? Also, who cares about Kissinger, the war criminal?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Slate is right (hate to admit it). With the media so much against him, and with public opinion so slanted, partly thanks to media, against Republicans, McCain needs to pummel Obama by a large margin in order to override the default feelings against him. Last night’s “marginal victory” won’t cut it.

    I agree. Which is why McCain needed to be much, much more aggressive last night in attacking Obama.

    Which is what he has to do. Attack Obama. Because I’m not sure how inspiring his platform is (on domestic issues at least).

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