Ahh but what are statistics without a little analysis?

First… the correlation between losers & gainers and states that fell Democrat & Republican in the 2008 presidential race. In 36 of the 50 cases, losers fell Democrat and gainers fell Republican. That’d be 72%. Interesting… some people call that a “mandate”. Not surprising, tho.

Next… the correlation between losers & gainers and tax burdens by state. I did find it very telling that the ten states with the highest tax burdens all fell… wait for it… Democrat. Of the ten states with the lowest tax burden, 7 fell Republican. Again, go figure.

And in round numbers, the top 10 burdensome states lost about 109,000 households and the lowest 10 burdensome picked up about 107,000. Interesting coincidence.

There were 22 losers total. 18 fell Democrat. Of the 28 gainers, 16 fell Republican.

Average tax burden:
Top 10 losers: 10.54% (all fell Democrat)
Top 5 gainers: 8.76% (half fell Democrat)

And there you have it.

And as always, when you can’t argue or debate, the best course of action is to resort to ad hominem attacks.

Honestly… if people want to be fat, who cares? Oh… I guess it matters when you’re trying to pay for the socialist health care scheme you’re forcing on everyone but yourself.

If people want to be illiterate or live in poverty, that’s their problem. These are both self-correctable conditions. It’s not government’s job to “correct” them. In fact, government’s “helping hand” has done more to cause these conditions than correct them.

r108,

Indeed. And once Oregon’s new taxes kick in we’ll see a net out migration from there as well.

Note the single biggest winner on internal migration was Texas, at 62,827 households, mostly Californians and immigrants from other nations. Given their border with Mexico, that means an awful lot of Californians made that move to have topped the source list.

Wrong again! People are now leaving CA, where they used to come to escape the cold and snow. CA is now one of the most fiscally irresponsible(high taxation and regulation) States in the union.
Your denial of the obvious truth is funny.

Well, there’s a few problems here I’d like to address…

1. Everything has trade offs. Sure Illinois has taxpayer funded child insurance. That’s one of the reasons taxes are so much higher. You’re not really better off for that.

2. TIFs are not really what I’m talking about. A TIF is more or less a gift, in anticipation of future returns. As you pointed out, that doesn’t always work (though sometimes it does, and sometimes it works halfway). And often, once the TIF dries up…so do the jobs. It’s effectively a temporary cut…which is why it often fails.
I’m talking taxes in general. St. Louis has higher business tax rates than the surrounding areas, and a personal income tax that, with the exception of Kansas City, nowhere else in Missouri has. Businesses take this into account. “St. Louis will charge us a 7.5% tax rate, Affton will charge 4.5%, and in Fenton it’s 2.1%” Fenton will most likely get the business. While an individual may rate taxes and regulations as a minor issue, to businesses, it’s major.

3. Living right on the Missouri/Illinois border, we see a lot of people drive to Missouri to get gas, or who prefer to get gas on our side of the river, becase it’s between 20-35 cents cheaper, depending on the time. Smokers get their cigarettes from us too, as it’s MUCH cheaper over here. People consider prices when they shop, when they travel, when they do much of anything. It’s unrealistic to assume they don’t even stop to consider what their tax burden is when they move/take a new job.

4. Of course there are other factors than taxes. Jobs dry up sometimes and you have to move. But there’s a question in there. If taxes are raised, and jobs dry up, did the tax hikes help lead to that? In some cases the answer is “absolutely”. Especially when we talk about TIFs, which are temporary tax cuts, or sometimes even gifts, the business virtually ALWAYS seeks the TIFs expansion when it starts coming to an end. Often, when they don’t get it, they leave. Why? It raises the price of business, sometimes DRAMATICALLY. If I’ll see my taxes double, why not just move my business 20 miles to where the taxes will be even lower than they are now? Or to another state? Or to India?

Far from not considering other things enough, I think you’re too dismissive of the role government plays in draining money from our pockets.

Wow, you know as much about people as you do about politics.

Nothing.

Scurry away cockroach.

You won’t be missed by Californians.

Move to the south and experience white trash culture shock. Though I suspect you’ll fit in well.

I just have to disagree. Illinois has a lot of taxes but there are categories that make things cheaper. If you have kids, Illinois makes health insurance affordable for them. If you’re a senior on a fixed income, the property tax issue makes it more affordable than other states. It isn’t necessarily overall low taxes but where you get those breaks.

And there has been some evidence that things like TIFs, which give lower taxes for businesses with the intent of getting more jobs, don’t always work out to do that… Dell got a big one, built a center, created 900 of the 1,500 jobs promised and then moved the jobs to India. Texas has given out a lot of them and now counts any jobs as a result of TIFs as a success, even if the resulting jobs are thousands less than promised in exchange for those jobs. (Which might be different than what you’re talking about if you’re focusing on personal taxes, rather than business ones.)

The local economic conditions are probably a much, much bigger factor than taxes as you’re not addressing the issue of Midwestern manufacturing jobs or the economic conditions and their impact on tourism related jobs in places like New York and California and Florida and Illinois.

“Sell your $750,000 2 bedroom in California, buy New Mexico.”

The selling your house part is extremely wishful thinking. Did you mean short sell or foreclosed?

LOL, a lot of the new Texas households are illegals. But I support that. Borders are ridiculous.

We have a high income tax here in Oregon and it grew a lot.

You should stay in Missouri. Any place you go from there will give you sticker shock. Then again, if you do move away from there you’ll have a real life. But I know how you people worship money. So much so that you’d eat your own mother if you thought you’d SH*T money.

You forgot about illiteracy and poverty.

“California: Net loss of 19,680 households. Biggest losses went to Texas and Arizona. ”

While this number tells a story, it only tells part of a story.

California’s big problem is that for the better part of a decade the state has been losing net tax payers while it has been gaining tax consumers.

The loss in net tax payers is because the most productive Californians are getting tired of paying some of the highest taxes in the country, for some of the worst services. Additionally, various levels of state government have all but declared war on small business and successful individuals. A recent example is a decision by California Air Resources Board to force thousands and thousands of small business owners replace their perfectly good diesel engines with engines approved by CARB. Every day small business owners and successful individuals are forced to navigate a minefield of higher taxes and regulation, just for the privilege of living in a state with a rapidly declining standard of living.

On the other hand, California has seen a huge increase in the overall population of net tax consumers. Over the last decade, even as the skilled and educated have fled the state, the population has increased. The increase has largely come from an influx of unskilled and uneducated workers from outside the state, workers whose income is too low to pay taxes. This is particularly evident to teachers. While it was uncommon to come across parents completely illiterate in any language; that is no longer the case. Also during this time California’s rate of illegitimate births has remained sky high. Children of “single mothers” use a disproportionately high level of educational resources (money), because they disproportionately require expensive remediation. The high rate of illegitimacy is the primary contributor to the state’s terrible gang problem. And the gang problem results in a high costs for property crimes and corrections (prison). The Golden State now accounts for 32 percent of America’s welfare cases. The number of subsidized (Section housing units has been increasing dramatically.

This shift in population has resulted in a huge decline in the quality of life for Californians. Those of us who pay taxes and play by the rules must now live in a social ecosystem dominated by graffiti and vulgarity. There are now two types of successful Californians, those who have left the state and those who want to leave the state.

Make money in high tax states ,
retire in low tax, low cost of living states.
Sell your $750,000 2 bedroom in California,
buy New Mexico.

I still think some of you are missing the point when you focus the blame on taxes and regulations. Yes California’s taxes are high and the regulations near fascist. But the real harm done to the state isn’t the money stripped out of the private sector, but what the public sector has done with that money.

Progressive socialists have turned CA into a giant welfare state. 32 percent of the welfare cases in the entire United States are here in the Late Great Golden State. That welfare spending has fueled out of wedlock births the way gasoline fuels fire. A large proportion of the kids in California schools are the products of second, third, and fourth generation unmarried mothers, and the further they get from experiencing stable two-parent families the wilder and less civilized they become. At the same time the progressives have been supercharging irresponsible reproduction in the state, they’ve also stripped schools of the ability to effective discipline students. The worst schools have become scary places where gangs flourish. The net result of all this is that a huge percentage of 13 to 40 years embrace a law-of-the-jungle attitude where the worst thing you can do is not murder, or even getting caught for murder, but showing remorse for hurting someone. Decent people living in California must navigate this mave of uncivility on a daily basis.

Yeah, sure it sucks to pay more in taxes than people in 47 other states. But it sucks even more to go to the park two blocks from your home and see that some gang-inspired ass clowns tagged every surface the night before.

That’s why California is losing its most civilized and most productive citizens.