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Monday, March 26, 2007


When The Bush Administration Gets Rid Of 8 US Attorneys He “Fires” Them

When the Clinton administration got rid of 93 US attorneys they were merely replacing them.

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton on Monday dismissed any comparison between the firing last fall of eight U.S. attorneys with the replacement of 93 U.S. attorneys when her husband became president in 1993.

“That’s a traditional prerogative of an incoming president,” Clinton said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Once U.S. attorneys are confirmed, they should be given broad latitude to enforce the law as they see fit, she said.

“I think one of the hallmarks of our democracy is we have a devotion to the rule of law,” Clinton said.

She conceded that should she win the presidency in 2008, she likely would replace all of the U.S. attorneys appointed by President Bush. She said that’s merely following traditions in which presidents appoint prosecutors of their own party.

Clinton argued that the Bush administration’s firing of the eight federal prosecutors has caused an uproar because it is seen as a conservative push to shift the balance of power in favor of the executive branch.

So, according to Hillary, it’s ok to fire US attorneys and place them with people more to your liking ideologically as long as you do it at the beginning of your Presidential term.  But if you replace just a small number of US attorneys for that same reason that’s terrible.  Which I don’t get.

Like it or not, federal prosecutors are a political position.  State’s attorneys run on partisan political tickets in local attorneys, and US attorneys serve at the pleasure of a President who is elected to run his office based on a partisan political platform he campaigned on.  If the President, or a member of the President’s administration, wants to replace US attorneys who those who will pursue the job in a manner more to their liking so be it.  That’s how it works.  Heck, Hillary is saying that if she gets elected she’s planning on replacing every single one of Bush’s US attorney appointments for purely ideological reasons.  As much as I wouldn’t want that to happen as a conservative, it is her prerogative as President.

Now I’ll admit that the Bush administration, particularly AG Gonzales, has been something less than stellar in handling these firings, but c’mon.  Ultimately this “scandal” is a big nothing, and the silly fools on the left like Senator Dodd who think that Gonzales should resign over this are partisan idiots more concerned about undermining the President than anything else.

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comparison between the firing last fall of eight U.S. attorneys with the replacement of 93 U.S. attorneys when her husband became president in 1993.

Hillary often compares Edwards and Obama who lie like weasels, while she merely rearranges the feng shui of the truth!


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Proof on March 26, 2007 at 07:20 pm

This has never been about replacing US Attys, it has always been about replacing US Attys for failing to respond to political pressure.
Whether the whitehouse attempted to influence US Atty’s to pursue/not pursue cases for political gain.

The plot thickens.
Albert G’s lawyer taking the 5th.

“I have decided to follow by lawyer’s advice and respectfully invoke my constitutional right,” Monica Goodling, Gonzales’ counsel and White House liaison, said in a statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

WOOF on March 26, 2007 at 08:15 pm

Sorry, I just don’t get any of this.  It is just like the whole Plame thing again—what exactly was the crime?. Why is this this news? Why is Abu Garab news?.  It started with Trent Lott: He said some innocuous words to a dying senile decagenarian about running for president before anyone was ever alive and dug the entire party in a hole.  I could not understand that offense either, but the entire conservative base then started to apologize for no reason at every occasion. 

The conservative base is like a tank of Sparkie’s dead beta fish that feed on each other and don’t deserve to live.  (may s.a.‘s poor fish rest in peace)  I don’t usually vote republican (or even less so dem) but the republicans have been such fucking pussies about everything they might as well appoint the VBF Clinton in charge and get it over with.

It is strange, Clinton could have sold rocket technology to China or raped someone and every Democrat would have supported him without question, but republicans sell out at the drop of a hat.

RealManOfGenius on March 26, 2007 at 08:35 pm

Woofie it’s about US Attorney’s that did not do their jobs that needed to be fired.  Of course that’s a completely legal thing to do.


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The Whistler on March 26, 2007 at 09:06 pm

By the way these US attorneys were failing to enforce the election laws.

Why are you for voter fraud?  Oh I now why because that’s your side that plays that game.


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The Whistler on March 26, 2007 at 09:07 pm
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If you want to know what all the fuss is about, Kevin Drum summarizes it nicely here.

Bob Barr, former US Attorney under Reagan, had this to say:

what’s really unfortunate here, both from the White House standpoint, as well as from the more important standpoint of what’s best for the country, is the integrity of the Department of Justice is being used as a political football by the administration to prove who’s the toughest hombre in all this. It’s very unfortunate. And I’m not really sure that the administration has chosen the best line in the sand to draw here, so to speak.

Congress clearly has a right to inquire into the running of the Department of Justice, to inquire into the integrity of the process of hiring and firing U.S. attorneys, notwithstanding the fact that that that is technically a prerogative of the president. And rather than fight this, the administration really ought to be going out of its way to do what prior administrations have done, such as the Bush I administration and Reagan administrations, and that is take whatever steps are necessary to assure the American people that the integrity of our justice system has not been compromised.

Will on March 27, 2007 at 06:28 am

What fuss? Who cares?

And rather than fight this, the administration really ought to be going out of its way to do what prior administrations have done, such as the Bush I administration and Reagan administrations, and that is take whatever steps are necessary to assure the American people that the integrity of our justice system has not been compromised.

Jump through this hoop! Now this one! Now this one! No! Not good enough. Now jump here! American people - pay attention! Start caring!

Will - “PURGEGATE”? You guys are getting stupid.

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“PURGEGATE”?

Why Not? ...after eight years of Clinton’s BINGE, we get eight years of W’s PURGE!
Welcome to Jerry Springer Nation!


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Rob’s email address never works, so I am placing this story in here fyi: The latest GOP Straw Poll shows an undeclared GOP candidate Fred Thompson has taken over the lead in a major way:

Fred Thompson 38.2%;
Giuliani 16.8%;
Gingrich 14.4%;
Romney at 10.9%.

Giuliani & Gingrich together only equal 31.2%

That is a pretty major change in the lead!

To take this poll: http://www.gopbloggers.org/mt/archives/004796.php


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Neiman on March 27, 2007 at 07:29 am

Bob Barr, former US Attorney under Reagan, had this to say…

Will,

The irony of you quoting Bob Barr in this affair is positively scintillating.  Mr. Barr was formerly a US Attorney in Atlanta, who was fired by Bill Clinton.  Barr was then elected to Congress where he was the first, the loudest, and the most persistently pestiferous voice calling for Clinton’s impeachment.

Hardly a mainstream conservative Republican, Barr is the sort of libertarian moralist and fringe gadfly that makes even as the more strident neo-cons uneasy.


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Bat One on March 27, 2007 at 07:49 am
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The irony of you quoting Bob Barr in this affair is positively scintillating.

Wow. You actually noticed.  That’s why I quoted him.  You can hardly accuse him of having a leftist partisan agenda.

Will on March 27, 2007 at 08:47 am
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Let’s get rid of the Clinton connection.  Clinton got rid of all 93 attorneys just like Reagan, Herbert Walker Bush, and Walker Bush.  Their was nothing unusual or scandalous about it.

Hawk on March 27, 2007 at 09:04 am

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These guys are too thick to appreciate that fact. Trust me. I told them like a month ago. They don’t get it. None of them.


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Their (sic) was nothing unusual or scandalous about it. (Clinton’s 93 firings)

Just as there was nothing unusual or scandalous about the eight!

These guys are too thick to appreciate that fact.

Hello? Is this thing on??? That’s precisely the point!


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Proof on March 27, 2007 at 09:52 am

Just as there was nothing unusual or scandalous about the eight!

Why would an aide plead the 5th? That means there is incriminating things to say. If there isn’t, the aide wouldn’t plead the 5th. Incriminating stuff is scandalous. Get it?


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Sparkie Arbuckle on March 27, 2007 at 10:04 am
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Just as there was nothing unusual or scandalous about the eight!

It might not have been scandalous, but it was unusual.  And the Justice Department has not answered clearly why they were let go.

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Why would an aide plead the 5th?

After the P-Lame debacle, maybe he just didn’t want to get Scooterized!


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You mean ‘she’


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Sparkie Arbuckle on March 27, 2007 at 11:04 am

After the P-Lame debacle, maybe [s]he just didn’t want to get Scooterized!

Well, maybe the admin shouldn’t make their underlings lie for them eh? She wouldn’t get scooterized if she told the truth. Scooter lied under oath to the FBI remember?


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Scooter lied under oath to the FBI remember?

I thought it was all dependent on what the meaning of “is” is?


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You mean ‘she’

If you say so.
Sorry! I haven’t been able to generate enough interest in this tempest in a teapot to hang with bated breath on every development.


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Scooter lied under oath to the FBI remember?

No, I don’t remember. An honest man, like Scooter Libby, tries his best to reconstruct coversations and timelines that weren’t that significant at the time, and he’s prosecuted for inconsistancies in his testimony.
The lying scumbag Clinton types merely look you in the eye and say, “I cannot recall” ,I don’t remember”, “I have no recollection of that.”
Scooter Libby was convicted because he’s not nearly as good a liar as Bill Clinton.


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The lying scumbag Clinton types merely look you in the eye and say, “I cannot recall” ,I don’t remember”, “I have no recollection of that.”

Don’t you mean Reagan?

Hawk on March 27, 2007 at 12:22 pm

The first mistake that Libby made was trying to be helpful to the FBI.  Martha Stewart made the same mistake.  My suggestion to all is avoid talking to Federal Agents and if that’s not possible, have an attorney present during the conversation.


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Don’t you mean Reagan?

Not much on reading comprehension, are you?

I said what I said, and I meant what I meant.
The Left is boneheaded 100%!


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By “scumbag Clinton types”, I meant Bill and Hillary specifically!


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Proof on March 27, 2007 at 02:07 pm

Yes, I love the way the NYTs throws out words like fire and replace.  Communist since the 1920s.


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Why would Monica Goodling take the fifth?

“the Fifth Amendment protects innocent persons who might otherwise be ensnared by ambiguous circumstances, as much as it protects those who may have done something wrong.”

-John Dowd
The Libby Precedent


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if by ‘ambiguous circumstances’ John Dowd means ‘lying to the FBI under oath’ then he’s tack on.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on March 28, 2007 at 05:47 am

Odd… I always thought that a person invoking their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination was under no compulsion to explain their motivation or actions to anyone.  Certainly that has been the liberal mantra since the 1950s and era of Joseph McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee.

I wonder if the ACLU has any attorneys willing to take on Ms. Goodling as a client.  Nah!  They’re all too busy defending child molesters and going after Christians.


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Bat One on March 28, 2007 at 05:55 am

I haven’t put much stock in polls since they said that Carter was going to be re-elected again.


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The Whistler on March 28, 2007 at 06:13 am

damn, wrong thread.


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if by ‘ambiguous circumstances’ John Dowd means ‘lying to the FBI under oath’ then he’s tack on.

Snarkie: As least we know why your eyes are brown…


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I wonder if the ACLU has any attorneys willing to take on Ms. Goodling as a client.  Nah!  They’re all too busy defending child molesters and going after Christians.

That is delusional BS. The ACLU defends the KKK, the Christians, and everyone else. Its just not liked by all you closet constitution haters. Those are the rights they seek to defend.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on March 28, 2007 at 06:36 am
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You can’t take the fifth because you might perjur yourself.  It is a ridiculous legal argument. Why don’t we look at the amendment.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

When committing perjury you are not being a witness against yourself, you are lying under oath.  She should be forced to answer the subpoena or be put in jail for contempt of Congress. You also cannot refuse to testify at all by taking the fifth amendment.  You can only refuse to answer questions under which you would admit to a crime.

Hawk on March 28, 2007 at 08:54 am

Yes Hawk, but the Scooter rule means that anything you say may be held against you unless you have a perfect memory.

It’s the logical outcome of the Fitzgerald Jihad.


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The Whistler on March 28, 2007 at 09:03 am

Sparkie Arbuckle said, That is delusional BS. The ACLU defends the KKK, the Christians, and everyone else. Its just not liked by all you closet constitution haters. Those are the rights they seek to defend.

Give me a break. They go after Christmas displays in the “public square” while defending members of NAMBLA.

But let’s hear what the founder of ACLU, Roger Baldwin, believed -

I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.

What was that about “constitution haters”?

likwidshoe on March 28, 2007 at 02:20 pm

How about another one from the founder of ACLU?

Do Steer away from making it look like a socialist enterprise. We want to get a lot of flags, talk a good deal about the Constitution and what our forefathers wanted to make of the country and show that we are really the folks that stand by the spirit of our institutions.

It’s amazing how many people are fooled by them. ACLU aren’t even “closet constitution haters”. They’re quite explicit about it if you dig just a little.

likwidshoe on March 28, 2007 at 02:29 pm

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No links to those quotes?


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