When It Comes To Afghanistan War Spending Democrats Are Suddenly Concerned About Cost

And so are Republicans, I guess, but with the Democrats the hypocrisy is particularly acute.
These guys are saying that we may have to raise taxes or cut spending in order to pay for additional troops in Afghanistan. And I’d agree with that, though I’d point out that there’s plenty of fat to be trimmed from federal budgets that would more than pay for additional troops. I’m a supporter of the war, but I also feel that we should finance it appropriately.
But why weren’t these politicians talking about the need to offset new spending with tax hikes and/or spending cuts when we were debating the “stimulus” spending spree? Or cash for clunkers? Or TARP? Or the auto bailouts?

Senators from both parties warned that an expected increase in U.S. forces in Afghanistan could lead to tax increases or budget cuts to pay for the deployment.
President Barack Obama is set to unveil his new Afghanistan strategy on Tuesday, with expectations that he will announce the deployment of about 30,000 more troops to help battle the Taliban there. Some estimates have put the cost for each troop at $1 million per year.
“We have to begin to pay for everything we do,” said Sen. Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat and former Army Ranger who plays a leading role in the party on military issues. “Whether it’s broken out specifically or not (and paid for by a tax) is a detail,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” He said the surge shouldn’t be paid for “indefinitely, through deficits,”
Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said on the same show: “I believe there will be a separate accounting. … We may wish to discuss higher taxes.”

What irks me is that budget issues only come up when the big-government types want to oppose something. I think it’s perfectly valid (and very needed) to talk about how we pay for a given war. But I also think we need to have that debate when we’re talking about government spending in the name of “economic stimulus” or saving companies that are allegedly “too big to fail.”
In fact, I think every single policy being considered by our government should be presented to the public along with a price tag. No more of this hiding costs with deficit spending or budgeting tricks. We should simplify the tax code so that if you want to support a bailout for General Motors and the union parasites attached to it you’ll know that your taxes will go up. Or that spending on another government program or policy will go down.
Of course, that level of transparency would make it hard for the big government types to convince us that we need things like “stimulus” spending and government-run health care. If they can’t pretend like those policies are going to be paid for by someone else (i.e. “the rich”) or won’t increase the cost of government at all (see: budgeting tricks) then most of their policies wouldn’t have much in the way of public support at all.

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  • http://Array Norris Hall

    If the war in Afghanistan is worth fighting…then it’s worth paying for.
    Borrowing money from our children in any way, shape or form is irresponsible spending.
    Bush and the Republicans borrowed 700 billion dollars of our children’s money to fight the war in Iraq.
    Let’s not be stupid and foolish and do that again.
    The only way to avoid putting this on our children’s credit card is to raise the money to pay for it.
    Tea Party Protesters….where are you??????

  • sayanything-287

    I agree with them to this extent: If we are not going to commit the number of troops, equipment and rules of engagement necessary for a clear, swift and overwhelming victory in that crap hole of a country; then cut our losses and the costs and get out NOW. Why risk our troops or more money if we are only going to play at war?

    Obama is looking to his liberal base and therefore seems tentative, unsure and more committed to an exit strategy than victory. So, even if the excuse is only the costs, don’t risk any more lives on a weak-sister policy.

  • AKA WOOF

    “Iraq is a very wealthy country. Enormous oil reserves. They can finance, largely finance the reconstruction of their own country. And I have no doubt that they will.”

    Richard Perle, chair
    The Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board
    July 11, 2002

    “The likely economic effects [of a war in Iraq] would be relatively small…. Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits.”

    Lawrence Lindsey
    White House economic adviser
    September 16, 2002

    “It is unimaginable that the United States would have to contribute hundreds of billions of dollars and highly unlikely that we would have to contribute even tens of billions of dollars.”

    Kenneth Pollack
    former director for Persian Gulf affairs
    National Security Council
    September 2002

  • AKA WOOF

    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just

  • sayanything-4625

    Hi WOOF, Last I checked this thread was about the Afghan War, not Iraq. Thanks for playing.

  • http://fu.com/ robert108

    We currently spend $7 billion a year on “fighting” non-existent AGW; he could certainly kill a whole lot of terrorists for that amount. Dems hate America, and want us to lose to their terrorist buddies.

  • TomDegan

    Take this to the bank:

    We will lose the war in Afghanistan. Every human being who is dying for this cause is dying in vain. England and Russia learned this lesson a long time ago. You would think….N­ever mind.

    Suffice to say, I don’t receive half the information Obama receives. I don’t read all of (or any of) the Presidential Daily Briefings that are placed on his desk every morning. Maybe he knows something that I don’t. I am not doubting that as a distinct possibility. But from where I sit it would seem to me that this president has failed to learn the historical lessons taught to us by the administrations of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson – lessons involving bold action in times of economic crisis, and the utter folly of trying to win wars that cannot be won.

    I want to believe in this guy but the sad fact of the matter is that I am quickly losing confidence in my president. Where the heck is all this change I could believe in? Are the Republicans still in charge? What gives?

    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

    Tom Degan

  • sayanything-287

    The choices? Either an all out, nothing held back push to clear, swift and absolute victory or get out NOW lest another soldier dies for his folly!

  • sayanything-4808

    This clearly illustrates what the general unaffiliated voters have known for many decades: the Democrats have a serious cognitive issue with respect to their political views that causes them to be entirely blind to the debts incurred by social spending that never actually helps society, and an almost paranoid fear of military spending leading to hypersensitivity to it despite the need to maintain a military being self evident. The result is that they spend freely on everything they love without any intellectual understanding of the costs and debts and drawbacks, but spend nothing on the military and seriously believe their stinginess is based on fiscal responsibility.

    They literally cannot comprehend the difference between spending millions on a pet project and millions on soldiers. On a very real level they have become so blind to their politics creeping into everything they touch that it becomes instinct to do it. Conservatives can be ideologues, but they don’t reach this level of absolute insulation from reality as liberals do. In a way liberals are the worst sort of fanatics because they have no external links to previously established religions on which basis challenge could be brought. They make it up as they go along, reinforced each other, and seal their minds off from considerations that in any way go against their assumptions and beliefs.

    In their minds, spending on military == bad, spending on their political beliefs == good. That’s not sanity and you can’t argue with insanity. Just recognize it and remove it from office. I’d vote for any number of WWII Democrats right now over the bunch we have in there who like Obama and Pelosi are intellectual and emotional children of 60s radical chaos. The Dems have been doofuses for many decades, but there was a point before which the current ones would have been seen as radicals by their own party that the party could do without.

  • sayanything-1317

    Unfortunately, there are two extremely negative consequences to leaving in Afghanistan:

    1. The psychological pain it will inflict on veterans, who wonder “What did I sacrifice my limbs and health for”, and families of slain soldiers. It will also tell future recruits…”Hey we may send you somewhere to die for nothing.”

    2. To this day, our loss in Vietnam is cited by our enemies as reason to keep fighting us LONG after it is futile. Our enemies are convinced that that the trick to winning is tokill enough of us and we’ll retreat.

  • sayanything-6955

    Turn that hell hole into a parking lot, or bring our hero’s home. Give our men and women the means to win or get out. I would prefer bombing the country into oblivion.

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