When Is Spending Really A Tax Cut?

When politicians say it is, of course.
Today I addressed the NDGOP’s Chairman’s Lunch in Bismarck at the Radisson hotel. My talk was about the impact of new media on politics in North Dakota, but also speaking was Tax Commissioner Cory Fong who was there to sing the praises of the “tax relief” package proposed by Governor Hoeven and passed by the state legislature.
The package included $300 million of state-level funds going to the local governing entities that levy North Dakota’s property taxes in exchange for property taxes going down. Of course, as Commissioner Fong himself alluded to in his speech, that hasn’t always happened. Many local entities have increased property valuations to the point where property owners saw only a portion, or none at all, of this tax relief.
The question and answer period after Fong’s presentation was interesting. I asked how it is we can call this tax relief when really it amounts to more state-level spending? After all, this “tax relief” is an appropriation by the state legislature. One that must be continually re-appropriated in order for the tax relief to stay in place. What kind of tax relief requires legislative spending?
Fong’s only answer was that the legislature had set aside the funds to keep this “tax relief” in place.
Another attendee raised his hand and asked if it was smart for the state legislature to take responsibility for relief on a tax they don’t actually levy. After all, now that the legislature has taken this on, all of the North Dakotans who aren’t happy with their property tax bills aren’t going to turn to the local entities whose spending actually drives those property taxes. Now they’re going to go to the state legislature.
And the only tool the state legislature has to fix the problem? More spending. And what happens if the state ever doesn’t have the funds to keep spending on this tax relief?
Who knows.
Remember that these tax reliefs are central in Governor Hoeven’s brag list of accomplishments as governor. Something he’ll be waving around quite a bit as he runs for Senate. It’s worth remembering, as this Q&A with Fong so clearly illustrated, that it really wasn’t much of an accomplishment at all.

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  • http://Array sayanything-7715

    We live in a cyclical state and our fortunes rise and fall with the valuation of what we extract above and below ground. Technological break-throughs of the last decade in hydrogen fuel cells suggest that we may be there in 20 years for auto mobiles, and the ability to create nuclear power plants the size of auto mobiles that produce electricity for cities the size of 50,000 in a decade suggest that North Dakota’s currant prosperity could end with a down turn in 15 years. We better start creating industries that take advantage of broadband internet and create employment wealth with our population and become the next “silicon valley” to pay our bills in the next commodity downturn. Being a state leader won’t be pretty in 2024.

  • sayanything-4928

    Which of course their job is to make sure that bureaucracy continues unheeded and they have no risk of having to actually work for a living.

    If you think ND is bad, come on over to MN. 22 state agencies dealing with water quality and control, I mean come on!

  • farm4money

    My CPA can not explain it either. Kevin has mentioned this before, so I asked my CPA about it. He said it is not possible and Kevin needs to get a new tax prep person. Not to defend Fong, but maybe the reason for the problem is something that has nothing to do with his dept. Maybe Kevin should take his stuff right into the tax office in Bismarck and ask them to fix it, It can not be right.

  • robert108

    It’s not tax relief, it’s tax redistribution.

  • sayanything-5633

    I sure didn’t see any relief. Our local tax assessor, who I have known for years, came by our house last spring and told me that he had been doing very slight bumps on most properties in our area and had not done any full assessments in four or five years. The county commissioners told him that if he didn’t do assessments ths year they would find someone who would. The end result? y home’s value doubled and my taxes more than doubled.

    Some relief that is!

  • farm4money

    too bad that Fong had to take the arrows for what he had no control over. The whole legislature is to blame along with the governor. Remember that the dems went along with the repubs to do this. I remember hearing Democrat minority leader Dave OConnell bitch that they didn’t spend enough so the dems are not the ansewer. Conservative repubs need to replace the rinos. Tea party people need to take over the repub. party and turn it back to being conservative.

  • sayanything-43

    On the other hand you sure have to admire the shamelessness of these guys for taking credit for the world wide oil market going up.

  • Brent

    “and he couldn’t explain why I pay more in ND income taxes than federal income taxes.”

    LOL.

  • sayanything-43

    If oil revenues were to go down the first thing that will happen is that we get a tax increase to pay for our tax cut. Either the state will quit paying the school districts and you’re property taxes will go up or more likely the state will raise the sales tax to pay for it.

    Personally I think that Hoeven and Berg structured it that way to make sure their favorite special interests don’t lose any of the largess they bestowed to them.

  • sayanything-43

    “The Trust Fund was just sitting there.”

  • sayanything-4642

    yet our leaders….the ‘conservative’ side in nd is doing its best to grow these jobs and taking credit for ‘job creation’.

  • sayanything-4642

    i hear he bragged about unprecedented government spending at the gop meeting tonight in fargo while other states are broke. so this massive spending is good because we have money? ……… wow. just wow.

  • sayanything-101

    Cory Fong is just a political patronage bureaucrat. I spoke with him, personally, and he couldn’t explain why I pay more in ND income taxes than federal income taxes. His wife is also on the public payroll. Their worst nightmare is having to earn a living in the private sector.

  • sayanything-7406

    Indeed. A lot of money could be saved and taxes lowered by simply getting rid of most of these government bureaucracies.

  • sayanything-7406

    I know. Sad isn’t it? Back in 2008 I voted for John McCain, mainly because he was preferable to Obama. I have the deepest respect for McCain’s service in Vietnam. But there was some validity to the comments that he was “McSame”.

    Either these “Conservatives” are afraid to actually be conservative or they’ve gotten used to the cushy jobs they have.

    Whenever “Conservatives” try to act like Liberals they end up getting kicked out of office, as they should. And it doesn’t have to be that way. If the Republican congress back in the 90s had kept the promises they made in their “Contract With America” they would still be in power today.

    Hopefully the Obama presidency has had a good effect in showing Republican politicians why they should act like Conservatives.

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