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Because the United States Marine Corps has a code of honor that parasites like Benjamin would never, ever understand.

This is why her type hates the Marines. The selfish are always in opposition to the selfless.

Because the United States Marine Corps has a code of honor that parasites like Benjamin would never, ever understand.

Thank you! That is also the opinion of this Marine! No matter my age, if someone calls out “Marine,” I run to their aid. Same thing the other wa around! Why? First, it may be another Marine and we all get each others back. It may be someone in trouble and that is what being a Marine is all about, going into harms way to help those in need.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Please link to where she has said she loathes Marines.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I love you Neiman, do you love me?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Her protesting the Marines at Berkeley might imply her true intentions.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Realitybasedbob requested:

Please link to where she has said she loathes Marines.

Er, I was laboring under the presumption that the protest outside of the Marine recruiters by her and her slimy brood could be taken for their loathing of the Marines. Or maybe it was the name calling. Or maybe the blocking of the entrance to the facility. Or the bullhorns.

I dunno. I get confused easily. I thought her loathing was pretty up front and obvious, Bob. To most sentient creatures, anyway.

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I had never been to her web site until you called her out for loathing.
This is a pledge she is asking people to sign.

I support our troops.  I support our youth. 

I declare my support of counter recruitment efforts and conscientious objectors because I deeply value the sanctity of life, respect human dignity and affirm the right of freedom of thought and action.

I recognize that recruiting efforts by the US military are targeted disproportionately at young people in communities of color or lower income and that Military recruiters are often lying to young people with false promises of cash bonuses, education, jobs training, fun, travel, and adventure.

I recognize that 60% of recruits never receive any money for college and that veterans returning from Iraq are far more likely than the civilian population to become homeless, commit suicide or other violent acts, and have long-term physical and/or mental health problems.

I recognize that it is a city’s right to self-govern and make decisions to best reflect the vision for the community; Berkeley can make just such a decision by zoning where military recruiting offices can be within the city.

Please point to the loathing.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I love you Neiman, do you love me?

Please keep your homosexual urges/desires to yourself, I have made it clear I do not swing that way!

The presence of Code Pink at the Marine Recruiting Office was in direct response to Bezerkely’s desire to chase the Marine Recruiters out of town and deny them free access to the public square by protests, as they found an official policy which was their original intent, might cost them federal dollars. If I say I like capitalism and join with communists to protest the capitalist business practices at WalMart, my actions give lie to my words! I am known by the company I keep, not loose associations, but company. To try and deny the true intent of this female’s presence there is to deny reality, which you often then to do, to deny the hypocrisy of calling for the help of Marines in that situation, is to be separated from reality.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

it is a city’s right to self-govern and make decisions to best reflect the vision for the community; Berkeley can make just such a decision by zoning where military recruiting offices can be within the city.

Not kick them out, just where they can be located.

I love you Neiman.
Matthew 22:39
Our God commands you to love me.
Do you love me Neiman?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I support our troops.  I support our youth…

Blah, blah, blah…

I recognize that it is a city’s right to self-govern and make decisions to best reflect the vision for the community; Berkeley can make just such a decision by zoning where military recruiting offices can be within the city.

Quoting Medea Benjamin in support of Medea Benjamin has all the intellectual vitality of a nap.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

realitydenyingboob: defending the indefensible daily, twice on sundays.

Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.

...

While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind”,
But it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind,
There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
O it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

What you want to bet this was a setup? This guy in the Volvo is connected to America-hating beeatch, and the altercation was so they could get video of US Marines NOT interceding to protect her, thus opening a secondary line of attack.

boob, codepink does not “support the troops”, if they did they would be helping to fill the ranks of the US Military with educated, dedicated female Officers and EMs, instead of meeting with Muslim groups who trample the rights of women with every single action they take and breath they draw.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

RBB is right. Most of the anti-war crowd simply oppose using the nation’s military to further private interests. They are not anti-soldier. A decent number of anti-war protesters have actually served and what they have experienced has changed their viewpoint.

This person calling for marine help demonstrates this point.

But me, I am anti-soldier. Any idiot that sets off to foreign lands to kill people, because their government told them to, is an idiot. A liability to any civilised society.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

A couple of weeks ago S Anything reported Code Pink :

Berkeley erupted in violence Tuesday morning when the Communist, terrorist-supporting anti-war group crossed into Martin Luther King Park and assaulted pro-troop individuals. Riot police stood by, but did not stop the assaults.

Killers , Punks or Killer Communist Punks

AV,

George Orwell knew you well:

We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

And equally relevant:

Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me.’

Indeed.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

WOOF,

What you fail to grasp is that the leftists on display at such events are bullies and cowards; Bullying when they think numbers are on their side, cowards when confronted with a determined foe or one of roughly equivalent numbers.

Parlor pinks on parade.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

‘he that is not with me is against me.’

So...W’s got the rest of the world....with us?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Bullying when they think numbers are on their side, cowards when confronted with a determined foe or one of roughly equivalent numbers.

You’re talking about our Senate in 1999, right?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

boob,

I do so hope to meet you some day.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Oh Capt’n Jack, you saucy blaggard!

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

rbb, you ignorant pigeon shit slut of a terrorist apologist, you say the nicest things!

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Chickenhawk, your George Orwell quote is out of context since it is clearly advocating defense, not advocating illegal invasions on behalf of private entities, and gaining support for such actions by disseminating lies.

Re-read it slowly and carefully and maybe even an idiot like you can understand it:

We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.—George Orwell

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Chickenhawk, your George Orwell quote is out of context since it is clearly advocating defense, not advocating illegal invasions on behalf of private entities, and gaining support for such actions by disseminating lies.

Have to disagree with you that it’s out of context. Rodney was responding to this comment by you:

But me, I am anti-soldier.

This implies that you dislike all soldiers, whether they’re defending us on our own soil or fighting in foreign lands. Never mind that you followed it up with:

Any idiot that sets off to foreign lands to kill people, because their government told them to, is an idiot.

You still did not add a qualifier to your original “anti-soldier” comment. Thus Rodney’s use of Orwell’s quote is relevant to the discussion.

Oh, and nice NOFX pic. They were cool… when I was like 14. Besides, I Heard They Suck Live.

Andrew, George Orwell wrote “rough men”, this doesn’t exclusively require soldiers as examples like the Zapatistas demonstrate (militia and insurgents instead).

Also, the picture was chosen because it has a Jesus-lookin’ character, and the title says “Never Trust a Hippy”. Wise words. 

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

...this doesn’t exclusively require soldiers as examples…

It probably does exclude “anarchist vegetarians”, though.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

AV:TFR, you “forgot” to tell these folks about how you hate police officers, too. Remember? You told us several times that anyone who wears a uniform and carries a gun is a fascist thug, while also telling us that you have the right take whatever you want from anyone you wish because no one can own property. Tell the good folks exactly what you believe, don’t hide it and pretend you are an American or any other form of human being.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Anarchist Vegetarian:

I see from one of your above comments that you’re anti-soldier. Like Hotel said, you’ve stated in the past that you’re also anti-police.

Oh, and by the way....the Orwell quote is my favorite quote of all time. Know why? Becuase between the job I have now and my 7 years in the military you hate and the career I have I’ve spent 26 years in uniform being one of those “rough men” described in the qoute.

So...be anti-soldier and anti-police all you want. It’s you’re right. So don’t worry, Sweety....better men than you will make sure you keep your right to hate them.

Sleep tight, Snookums.

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Pilgrim,

Did you also notice that the pigeon shit accused a veteran of being a chickenhawk?

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

....better men than you will make sure you keep your right to hate them.

Pilgrim,

Or, maybe, better women?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Hey righties, where’s your outrage at your fellow rightie Drudge for endangering the troops in Afghanistan.  You all talk big when a democrat does something but stay stunningly silent when one of your own, namely Drudge outs and officer and endangers the troops.  So much for patriotism for the right.

Rodney and Bat:

Yeah, It’s not surprising that he would call a vet a chickenhawk. He probably doesn’t know the difference between his Barbie doll and his Chatty Cathy doll, so how could we expect any different.

Bat’s point is well taken: There are better women in uniform than spineless men-wannabes like this ever will be.

But - as I said before, those men and women will be fighting to protect his right to hide under his bed in Mommy’s basement and call them “idiots.”

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Hey righties, where’s your outrage at your fellow rightie Drudge for endangering the troops in Afghanistan.

Haven’t seen it yet this morning, pinhead. Don’t jump to conclusions.

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Peabrain, it was out yesterday.  You guys can’t wait to jump on something when it is a democrat, but when it is one of you, you use the excuse: “I haven’t seen it yet.”

Nice try peabrain.

Pilgrim,

While I wouldn’t want to disparage real women by the comparison, I wonder if there is anything on record to suggest that this particular “spineless men-wannabe” actually is, however nominally, male?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Hey righties, where’s your outrage at your fellow rightie Drudge for endangering the troops in Afghanistan

Drudge is not a Republican in any case.... he describes himself as an “independent populist”.

meanwhile anydakota (another member of the SayAnything pigeon shit platoon joins the fray with:

Hey righties, where’s your outrage at your fellow rightie Drudge for endangering the troops in Afghanistan.  You all talk big when a democrat does something but stay stunningly silent when one of your own, namely Drudge outs and officer and endangers the troops.  So much for patriotism for the right.

Just how has Drudge endangered American troops in Afghanistan?

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Peabrain, it was out yesterday.

I must have missed the personal call from Drudge notiying me he had posted it.

I’ll try to be more attentive to my phone messages. In the meantime, isn’t it time mommy fixed lunch for you, or some milk and cookies, perhaps?

Then it’s nappy time, Sweetums.

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Bat:

I wonder if there is anything on record to suggest that this particular “spineless men-wannabe” actually is, however nominally, male?

Call it a hunch, but I think this is a liberal spoon fed bedwetting metrosexual type male (in a vague biological sense, anyway) who is right now SOOOOO angry at all of us mean conservatives that he could just give us SUCH a pinch !!!!!!

Of course, I could be wrong.

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I just trawled Drudge, 4 days worth, and found nothing even vaguely capable of endangering troops anywhere. Perhaps pissant dhimmi Democrat could link it.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

...this is a liberal spoon fed bedwetting metrosexual type male (in a vague biological sense, anyway)

Pilgrim,

Yeah, I’ve heard that hospitals sometimes do screw up circumcisions.  Pity.  I didn’t realize the problem was nearly so prevalent.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Notice how leftards took this thread away from the cynical duplicity of codepink. Almost as if they don’t want to talk about the cynical duplicity of codepink? I wonder why?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

right now SOOOOO angry at all of us mean conservatives that he could just give us SUCH a pinch—Pilgrim

I can’t get angry at you “conservative” types, I don’t see you as equals. I don’t get angry at children or pets either. But you are occasionally a curiosity. You cling to your ridiculous beliefs, chant mantras, throw tantrums, play dress-up in your uniforms. It’s amazing, it’s like you haven’t passed from children to adults.

I do wonder sometimes if I was born stupid, and a little primitive, if I could have ended up a conservative…

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

You finally figured it out! We are your superiors in every single measure. And we allow you to live as you wish. No, no, don’t thank us. Just continue on with your dreary little life. We, and many people like us, will continue to give you freedom and security. And to laugh at and spit upon your anti-American ass.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

...if I could have ended up a conservative…

You’re neither intelligent enough, honest enough or principled enough to be a conservative.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Anarchist Vegetarian:  Like most liberals, you see all people as parts of stereotypical groups; oppressed women, greedy capitalists, helpless minorities; bible-thumping Christians; enlightened liberals; soldier-boy, infantile conservatives, etc. Thus you never see any person for who they really are.

But remember this: Were it not for ‘soldier-boys’, you would probably be a slave-drone in a German industrial complex. Or, in the near future, a force-converted Muslim male spouting Islamic mantras or a burka-clad female walking silently behind your husband.

And when they come for you, by all means, pick up your phone and call Code Pink.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

You cling to your ridiculous beliefs

Yep, the Constitution, free elections, free speech, free markets.

Oh, you mean those ridiculous beliefs?

pparets, if there were no idiot soldier boys, there would have been no WWII. Dumbass.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

pparets, if there were no idiot soldier boys, there would have been no WWII. Dumbass.

Yes, just imagine a world without wars, hold hands, and pet your unicorn.

That should solve it.

Anarchis Vegetarian: 

if there were no idiot soldier boys

* Then there would be no United States of America.
* African-Americans would still be slaves in the Confederate State of America.
*

“Those who do not wield a sword can still be killed by them.” J.R.R. Tolkein

Rather than believe that you are unbelievably ignorant on the nature of history, conquest and war, I will assume that you are simply being quarrelsome for the sake of defending your previously indefensible assertions.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

the vegetable opines:

if there were no idiot soldier boys, there would have been no WWII.

Oh my.  No only did George Orwell and Rudyard Kipling know this ignorant git and its kind before this one’s birth, so too did John Stuart Mill:

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

Fortunately for av‘s liberty, there are a lot of better men about.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Fortunately for av‘s liberty, there are a lot of better men about.—Rodney Graves

Yep, there are, but you and your bloodthirsty kind will never be among that group.

pparets, during the bigger slave revolts, it is the soldier-boys who are called in to crush them.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian:  Those who blog here frequently will tell you that I rarely - almost never - make personal comments about other contributors. So, you will, I hope, understand my utter astonishment at your lack of comprehension.

Soldiers, like any other force, may serve for good or ill: axis soldiers killed and oppressed, while allied soldiers liberated. “There are no good wars, but there are necessary wars.”

I must assume that you are an ardent, but misinformed high school student, a poorly self-taught student of politics, or an upper-classman at a very bad college.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Because the United States Marine Corps has a code of honor that parasites like Benjamin would never, ever understand.

Do I hear the voice of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men? You know the part I’m talking about.

This is why her type hates the Marines. The selfish are always in opposition to the selfless.

As they say in the Corps: That’s a big no-shitter

and then there is this gem:

, if there were no idiot soldier boys, there would have been no WWII. Dumbass.

Now, let’s think about this for a second, shall we?

AV, and this is out of character for me to directly address a Statist, but how does your statement follow logically?

Hitler had soldiers (Luftwaffe, Wehrmacht, Kriegsmarine and so on) and he was using them.

Or are you suggesting that if no one had soldiers, there would have been no WWII?

But assuming that is not what you meant.  What then?

Stalin had the Red Army and he used that too.  As did Hirohito and his military commander Tojo.

Tojo invaded Manchuria.
Mussolini invaded Abyssinia. 
Stalin invaded Finnland.
Hitler annexed Austria and the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia and both Stalin and Hitler invaded Poland. 

And so on and so on.

Are you saying that the UK, France, the English Commonwealth, the governments-in-exile and the USA should not have formed their own armies and fought back?

I don’t know of a time in recorded history where man did not form cohesive bodies of soldiers and engage in conflict, both in aggression and in defense of aggression.  There may have been peaceful groupings of humans who refused to fight, who refused to pick up a weapon and participate in their own defense, I do believe that whenever they have come into conflict with a war-like external threat, they were slaughtered and the survivors taken into slavery.

That’s not what you are suggesting by any chance?

I’m sure we can find a remote spot where all like minded smellyhippies can remove themselves from the awful presence of that area protected by Marines, Army, Navy, Air force, Coasties and heck, even the Brownie scouts, and you can live out your lives in splendid isolation, with your two cats in the yard, life used to be so hard and all that pink fuzzy bunny stuff. 

And then pray to whatever God you pray to that you don’t encounter Muslim terrorists, or Abu Sayyaf, any of the warring factions that patrol the jungles or mountain sides of countless Third World nations.

Because when you are surrounded by the khat chewing, AK-47-toting terrorists, who know not of mercy or quarter, they will rape your women, slaughter your children and toy with you as a cat toys with a mouse before it kills it.  That is how it has been since time immemorial and it will be well off into the future.

It is the nature of man that the weak will be preyed upon by predators, and it is incumbent upon socialized man to form a unified body for the common defense against predators.

Just curious.

...for great justice

I am like most on this site a believer in freedom of speech.

How ever I also believe in conscription for both men and women and cowards like AV.

But since I would never trust him to handle a weapon, nor for that matter peelin’ potatoes, I would suggest he be sent to live in Myanmar, Kenya or North Korea for an indeterminable period, to live and work under a goverment more suitable to his taste.

I would have included Iran, but his decolletage would be a dead give away for his social leanings and thus his time their shortened considerably.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

How ever I also believe in conscription for both men and women and cowards like AV.—laydownSally

Conscription wouldn’t work for me. I’d end up fragging “superior” officers (superior my ass), and making the world a better place.
By the way laydownSally, you’re examples of Myanmar and North Korea prove my point. If people in these countries had enough individuality, courage, and morality to not join the armed forces, but maybe form a decent revolutionary militia, no one in these countries would live under tyranny.

Move_Zig: Same to you too, if enough people had some individuality, morality, and courage then there wouldn’t have been enough idiots to fill out any army in WWII. German, Japanese, Soviet, or American.

pparet: I am an engineer, highly educated and have a keen interest in history.

Soldiers, like any other force, may serve for good or ill: axis soldiers killed and oppressed, while allied soldiers liberated.—pparets

That is just plain ignorant. Firebombing of Tokyo, in one raid alone, 120,000 civilians murdered, yes women and children. Firebombing of Dresden, upto 80,000 murdered. Nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki, another 200,000 murdered.

These were all civilians. This is just four attacks. The massacring of civilians, from the air, happened daily, for years, throughout WWII. How many were murdered by us, the “good guys”? One million? Thank Christ the Nazis performed even worse crimes (the Holocaust) or else we could not even pretend to be the good guys.

“Liberated”?! Conservatives tend not to have any understanding of morality, hence why I consider them primitive.

One USAF officer noted that if our side lost, they would be the ones attending a war-crimes tribunal, not the Nazi leaders.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Laydownsally: The problem with conscription, the Marines have always attracted volunteers, professional soldiers, they are all infantrymen, and have little use for people like this.

Yes, there have always been military forces and quite often they have been used by evil men to advance evil ends. There have been many sadists and psychopaths that have used this as an excuse to join and engage their worst impulses. It is the sad story of the human race that such things exist. I cannot answer for history or other nations; but this nation has sent its best young men and women around the world to rescue those at peril of natural catastrophes, from the iron boots of cruel dictators and to defend those to weak to defend themselves. With some exceptions of a few soldiers that have been guilty of evil deeds, virtually all the rest are worthy of our thanks, they deserve our honor for their deeds and we should have pride that our military has for all intent and purposes been a forece for good around the world since we were founded.

We suffer the few evil men and even evil deeds of those wearing our military uniforms, we prosecute their crimes, we condemn their actions; but we honor only a very few of the majority of our brave soldiers, and yet we can be damn proud of all our military. Anyone looking for the exceptions, looking to condemn our military for the few, will benefit from their sacrifices though they don’t deserve the liberty these brave men and women purchased at such a high price.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Sally,

Now there’s a thought.  In Man without a Country, the early precursor to AV, a man of education and means who cursed America, was condemned to sail forever on US ships, never to see, much less set foot on American soil for the rest of his days.

However, that would be prohibitively expensive and interfer with the Navy troops who are actually doing their jobs.

I would think that those who refuse to pick up a rifle can still serve their country, much as in the same way the Italian troops were encouraged to engage the British in North Africa (by wedging them between the Brits and the German troops thus making sure the Italians kept moving forward)

or how the Red Army cleared German minefields—by sending waves of unarmed Muzhiks ahead of their tanks. 

Assuming the Smellyhippy Brigades were used for point-walking or mine-clearing purposes, it would be vital that they wear a distinctive uniform to avoid confusion with Americans—say Tie-dye pattern uniforms or scarves and Dead-Head t-shirts.

Of course, they would be granted Relaxed Grooming Standards, aside from delousing, and allowed to keep long hair and beards—even the women.

...for great justice

Firebombing of Tokyo, in one raid alone, 120,000 civilians murdered, yes women and children. Firebombing of Dresden, upto 80,000 murdered. Nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki, another 200,000 murdered.

These were all civilians. This is just four attacks. The massacring of civilians, from the air, happened daily, for years, throughout WWII. How many were murdered by us, the “good guys”? One million? Thank Christ the Nazis performed even worse crimes (the Holocaust) or else we could not even pretend to be the good guys.

“Liberated”?! Conservatives tend not to have any understanding of morality, hence why I consider them primitive.

One USAF officer noted that if our side lost, they would be the ones attending a war-crimes tribunal, not the Nazi leaders.

Your misplaced sense of compassion, your unreasoning hatred of our military and anti-America views speak volumes about your character and none of it is very good.

We have always, far too often to the peril of our own troops, tried to avoid so-called innocent civilian casualties in time of war; but the responsibility of our President and our military leaders is first and foremost to defend our liberty and protect our troops that are fighting to secure that liberty.

If a man comes into my house to kill my family, morality and honor and love demands that I kill that man TO SAVE LIVES. If an enemy comes into my national home, the same rules and end results apply, to save the lives of members of my national family. Sometimes we have a greater community that extends beyond our borders, it concerns our human family, and when they are attacked by evil men we must kill them to stop them to save lives, and as unfortunate as it is, often non-military people in and around these enemey soldiers, often hiding them, will be killed. It is the price of liberty, the price we must pay to save a much greater number that will die if we do nothing. We knew Stalin was a mad man, he killed perhaps hundreds of millions; and yet, had the world said no and unleashed their military power, while innocent Russians would have been killed, perhaps hundreds of millions would have been saved and certainly a billion or more allowed to live in freedom.

You are one of the falsely called ‘good men,’ who do nothing when evil is killing even more innocent people. We don’t need such people when our family is at risk! Our military kills to protect our national family, even for people like you that don’t desrve it. I know the price of liberty, my family knows the price of liberty, while you fiddle and watch Rome burn.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

If people in these countries had enough individuality, courage, and morality

You’re joking of course. Since when in the HELL would you know anything about courage.

“I am an engineer, highly educated and have a keen interest in history.”

You have a keen interest in picking debris from you colon.

My Grandfather was an engineer, highly educated and lived history. He was at Pearl Harbor on Dec 7th 1941.

You don’t just live on another planet, you live in another galaxy. If not for him and his fellow servicemen a different star system would be the only place you could enjoy the freedoms you do today.

Gee..if only there were no wars...and I could sit at home and play with my erector set...and my mommy and daddy would sing me to sleep…

You are absolutely nauseating.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Move_Zig: Same to you too, if enough people had some individuality, morality, and courage then there wouldn’t have been enough idiots to fill out any army in WWII. German, Japanese, Soviet, or American.

When Statist governments handle dissenters in this fashion, do you think that at some point a majority of young men would opt to serve, rather than have themselves or their loved ones killed?

You are living in a fools’ paradise.

...for great justice

Neiman, AKA lake-of-fire-food, you have zero grasp of morality. You advocate the murder of innocent women and children. The populations of Tokyo, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were predominantly citizens. The people arranging the massacres of these civilians new this. These actions are evil. They weren’t defensive actions. There is no justification for such crimes. You apologise for these crimes. You are an evil man.

Rationalising murder because it serves your nations interests is exactly what the Nazis were doing, you are no different.

My only loyalties are to people who, and causes which, strive to make the world a better place. If acting to benefit ones nation causes a net increase in misery and suffering, I am against such an action, irregardless of nation. I am an engineer, I create and improve, not destroy.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Move_Zig, you are a sad person if tit-for-tat violence is as far reaching as your morality goes, you to laydownSally.

“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell