What The Geithner Scandal Can Teach Us About The Tax Code

I had to chuckle a bit today when I read of Obama’s Treasury Secretary pick Timothy Geithner trying to explain away his tax evasion by suggesting that it was because he doesn’t know how to run Turbo Tax.

Treasury Secretary nominee Tim Geithner, the president and chief executive officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, filed his own taxes using Turbo Tax during the period he neglected to pay thousands of dollars in taxes.
Under questioning from Senate Finance Committee Republican member Chuck Grassley, Geithner was very reluctant to disclose which tax filing software he used. He quickly suggested the software wasn’t the problem; he was.

Aside from the spectacle of watching someone who, if he and Obama have their way, would be in charge of the IRS tell the public that he is too incompetent to file his own taxes, I’m struck by what such a turn of events suggests about our tax code in general. Especially given how qualified both Republicans and Democrats suggest Geithner is for this job. If a supposed expert like Geithner can’t even navigate the tax code, what about your average citizen?
Now, I think that Geithner’s tax evasion was probably purposeful (just my opinion) but going with the idea that it was an honest mistake it’s really kind of disturbing. A well-respected candidate to head up the Treasury Department can’t file his taxes right? If he can’t get it right, nobody can. And I’d be willing to bet that most tax returns filed in the United States have errors because our tax code is so complicated that nobody can understand it.
Which is pretty dangerous if you think about it. If we’re all basically tax cheats, be it inadvertent or not, then we’re all in hock to the government in one way or another. And with the tax code as complicated as it is, compliance costs (an expense on top of the actual taxes we pay) are through the roof.
The lesson we should take from Geithner’s situation is that our tax code needs to be simplified. Now. But unfortunately the maze of deductions, refunds, rebates and exemptions serves the big government crowd well by masking just how much we pay in taxes.
Ask your friends how much they pay in federal taxes. I’d be willing to bet 1 in 10 know for sure off the top of their heads. Then ask them how much they got back from the government. I’ll bet 9 in 10 remember that. Which is exactly how the big government people like it. They want you to remember that check you got from the Treasury, not all the money that was withheld from your paycheck through the rest of the year.

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  • http://Array ellinas

    Robert108, and bullwinkle insist there is nothing wrong with tax avoidance since we pay too much allready.

    ellinas on January 21, 2009 at 08:39 pm

    Another lie from a pathological liar. I have never made any such statement. Tax avoidance is the inevitable result of overtaxation,

    robert108 on January 21, 2009 at 09:30 pm

    Not exactly the same words but similar.
    Liar liar pants on fire.

  • Kurt

    He sure taught me that I can cheat as he did, say it was a simple mistake, say I’m sorry and move on. Then to top it off, get the post of Treasury in this, apparent, corrupt administration.

  • Halatbis

    I sent E-mails to Conrad and Dorgan advising a NO vote on Geithner if it comes to the full senate. For Pete’s sake, there must be some honest person in the Democrats closet that could come forward for this job. So much for the new and open gov’t. Maybe Bill Clinton could take the job–he has an affinity for making money.

  • ellinas

    I think he should have said Democrat elite. I’m sure run of the mill Democrat party members are prosecuted when they commit tax evasion.

    The Whistler on January 22, 2009 at 09:36 am

    Whistler. Chief RZ has a history of lying like that.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    When confronted with the bill, he should have paid immediately. I did, even though the IRS charged 104% interest immediately. I paid it. He did not. That is the difference between Democrats/socialists and Republicans/conservatives.

    Many people do not even pay income tax. Care to guess who they are?

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that guy under the tree.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    You are lying, when you include all democrats in your post.

    I think he should have said Democrat elite. I’m sure run of the mill Democrat party members are prosecuted when they commit tax evasion.

  • robert108

    Not exactly the same words but similar.

    You just keep lying, pathological liar! I support tax rate reductions, not tax avoidance. You lie, you lie, you lie. You have nothing but lies. Without lies, you would have nothing to write.

  • ellinas

    When confronted with the bill, he should have paid immediately. I did, even though the IRS charged 104% interest immediately. I paid it. He did not. That is the difference between Democrats/socialists and Republicans/conservatives.

    Chief RZ on January 22, 2009 at 09:10 am

    No! That is the difference between you and him.
    You are lying, when you include all democrats in your post.
    Shame on you!

  • ellinas

    A couple years back, maybe more, H&R Block screwed up their own taxes.
    Robert108, and bullwinkle insist there is nothing wrong with tax avoidance since we pay too much allready.
    And we want to hang this guy up for what you call tens of thousands of unpaid taxes. You keep repeating tens of thousands because it sounds worse then the actual sum of approximately $35,000 in self-employment taxes, which he avoided/cheated/ or maybe did not know how to calculate, over several years.

  • ellinas

    You just keep lying, pathological liar! I support tax rate reductions, not tax avoidance. You lie, you lie, you lie. You have nothing but lies. Without lies, you would have nothing to write.

    Robert on January 22, 2009 at 08:43 am

    Damn I wish I had a database with all your writings so I can quote you every time.
    None the less you did say there is nothing wrong with tax avoidance since we are already overtaxed.
    You said it. Now stop lying about it. Quit being a pussy and admit what you said. If you are trying to save face because you are embarrassed send me a private message and arrangements can and will be made to assist you in saving face. Any way. You know exactly how to do that.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I thought that what this tells us about the tax code is that the rules don’t apply to liberals.

    This guy knew that he was supposed to pay those taxes. He’s a crook.

  • SigFan

    Hey, look at the bright side – if they allow this guy to get away with this and confirm him, we have a precedent. We can all stop paying the extortion the government imposes and say we just made an “honest mistake”, just like the head of the IRS!

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Yes, Turbo Tax was so confusing that Geithner was told he had to pay absolutely nothing.

    And I have the deed to the Golden Gate bridge to anyone who wants it.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I don’t consider Chief a liar at all.

    Regarding your definition of Evade that’s somewhat misleading. We’re worried about the legal definition of tax evasion not the standard definition of the word.

    It’s been reported that this guy was told he needed to pay taxes on this income and that he was even given the money to pay the taxes over and above what was his share.

    He didn’t pay the taxes and instead kept the money for himself. I don’t see how anyone can say that this is an honest mistake.

  • robert108

    e moron: Tax evasion is a legal term, idiot. You lie again, as usual.

  • ellinas

    I said it was inevitable with over taxation. That’s expressing a relationship, not approval.
    Are you stupid, or just dishonest?

    robert108 on January 22, 2009 at 09:17 am

    In the past you expressed approval. Now you are denying it.
    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

  • ellinas

    This guy knew that he was supposed to pay those taxes. He’s a crook.

    The Whistler on January 22, 2009 at 06:56 am

    Of course he did. Another rich Wall St type that feels entitled to everything. However allow me to remind you the farewell the Senate gave Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska.
    Democrats, Cons, Neocons, Republicans, Independents, all united praising a convicted felon.
    Let’s lock up all the crooks.

  • jimmypop

    ***cough****

    fairtax

    **COUGH****

    oh, and put this guy in jail for tax evasion.

  • robert108

    e liar: Just to catch another of your lies; what Geithner did is not tax avoidance, it’s tax evasion.

    Tax evasion is a criminal act.

  • robert108

    None the less you did say there is nothing wrong with tax avoidance since we are already overtaxed.

    You lie again; I never said there is nothing wrong with it, so you lie, you lie, you lie. I said it was inevitable with overtaxation. That’s expressing a relationship, not approval.
    Are you stupid, or just dishonest?

  • Mickey

    He made this “mistake” on four occasions. So basically even though he couldn’t figure out Turbo Tax for four years he still is somehow qualified for this position.

    Riiiight.

    I’ll say one thing about Obama, he has a knack for picking scumbags for trusted friends.

  • robert108

    Robert108, and bullwinkle insist there is nothing wrong with tax avoidance since we pay too much allready.

    Another lie from a pathological liar. I have never made any such statement. Tax avoidance is the inevitable result of overtaxation, which is the inevitable result of leftie social engineering schemes.
    Cutting marginal tax rates isn’t “tax avoidance”, liar.

    Geithner has demonstrated that he isn’t the guy for this job, no matter what kind of excuses he or you make up. He should be prosecuted and fined, just like any other American would be that did what he did.

  • Halatbis

    There is tax avoidance and there is tax evasion–two completely different actions and motives. I have used Turbo Tax often–they are not perfect, but they most likely put Geithner through the steps of saying he did, or did not, have entries for the these “tax possibilities”. The man has demonstrated his willingness to evade taxes.
    Throw him under the bus Obama! If you have any guts at all–ask him to withdraw or toss him out. Your credibility is now on the line!

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