What Obama’s Attacks On Fox News Are Really About: Containment

Proof  •  October 21, 2009

As Allah notes, this is actually so obvious it’s surprising more people aren’t talking about it:

The rationale of the White House offensive against Fox News has been a topic of much puzzlement lately. Is this just the White House lashing out? Are they trying to rally the base?
But I think Mike Allen and Josh Gerstein nail the real explanation in their story today: The White House is working to prevent stories born on Fox from crossing over into more widely-viewed media. Most Americans still haven’t heard of Van Jones, for instance; and the strategy is now all about containment…

Put another way, Obama wants stories reported by Fox News that are negative for his administration to be immediately illegitimate as “real news”…because they’re being reported by Fox News. Fox News reports on a book written by a White House czar that said nice things about forced sterilization? Fox News airs video of the White House communications director saying nice things about the political philosophy of Chairman Mao?
Those stories don’t count. Because they’re on Fox News.
But if they spread to another legitimate (in the eyes of Obama and liberals) media out like, say, MSNBC then it can be real news.
Meaning that the Obama administration is essentially trying to define for the media what is and is not news.
Bush actually tried to do this same thing, though targeting specific issues instead of a specific media outlet. Bush didn’t want reporters to show pictures of flag-draped coffins, and of course the reaction from the liberals in the media was to demand to see the coffins. And rightfully so. It wasn’t for President Bush to decide whether or not the coffins were newsworthy.
Just as it isn’t for Obama to decide whether or not Fox’s stories are newsworthy.
Really, what is and is not news is up to the public at large. That’s why we’ve seen such a rise in alternative media.

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  • http://Array sayanything-4625

    Really! Just ask some of the other fella’s!

  • HG

    The laws ACORN violated call into question its intentions. The phony voters, voter fraud, whore houses for underage girls smuggled into the country, etc., etc. This isn’t a question of how much good is done, it’s a question of breaking the laws on numerous occasions. ACORN is a massive fraud and should never receive taxpayer dollars.

  • sayanything-4625

    Your knowledge of history is abysmal. That’s why the North fought us in a Civil War right? In order to have the privilege of paying more money to the South. Right. After that stupidity, I have nothing else to say!

    My friend, if you are an example of the “educated class” I feel sorry for you and the North. You are only slightly more educated than slime mold. That’s a slight to slime mold because its a genius among its peers while you are a black hole of stupidity compared to normal humans. Keep on insulting the South though, it says more about your “character” than any disparagement you wish to tender about the South.

  • HG

    Uh, read the ACORN manual I linked to H. They define it a little differently than you.

  • HG

    Libs cannot stand not owning and controlling public opinion, probably because they had it wrapped up for so many years with thier control of all major media outlets. Then radio went rogue and Limbaugh stole the show, next fox news shattered the liberal monopoly on cable television so powerfully that it is cutting into the over-the-air viewership. And even though they still controll the vast majority of network news, they can’t stand competition from even one non-liberal leaning network. Cry babies.

  • sayanything-1714

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/20/tried-steal-election-ny-voter-fraud-case-heats/

    That link does not attribute any voter fraud to ACORN. Just more lies from HG. But what does one expect from him?

  • sayanything-4625

    You mean like giving tax advice to those that want to open up a brothel to fund their congressional campaign?

    Hanny, in your world is it ok to break the law if you do some good? I guess your OK with all the lawbreaking as long as it brings out the voters and helps elects democrats! Good work!

  • sayanything-4625

    Syantiss,

    To his credit, Hanny said thing that are dumber than that. In fact, I don’t know if that’s in the top 10 Stupidest Hanny statements.

  • sayanything-1557

    FOX will go down with them.

    Yeah, you’re right DINO, if by going down you mean slaughtering every other news organization out there.

    Wall Street celebrates huge bonuses

    You mean like the huge ones that Barney Frank’s Freddy and Fannie paid out? As for our vile conservative ideology, it’s liberals like Anita Dun who are praising Mao who murdered about 70 million people. That’s who Obama apparently looks up to judging by who he surrounds himself with.

  • HG
  • sayanything-1714

    Through ACORN Housing, homebuyers can gain access to mortgage programs with lower interest rates, lower down payments, flexible underwriting guidelines and lower origination fees. With AHC, you can refinance for better terms through the innovative agreements we’ve formed with lenders.

    That’s not taxpayer money, you idiot. They simply give advice and put you in touch with your ability as free citizen to buy your own home….with your own money.

    Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.

  • HG

    http://www.timetoast.com/timelines/26074

    Missouri voter fraud timeline.

  • HG

    Acorn is funded in part by our taxpayer monies. It should be killed given the behavior of many Acorn representatives.

  • HG
  • HG

    This Hanntized is a glutton for punishment. The best part will be when he resurfaces on this or another thread touting the same thoroughly trounced arguments and definitions.

    Wilful ignorance, thy name is Hannitized.

  • HG

    Here you go H, from the manual I linked you to.

    The Justice department defnes election fraud as “conduct that corrupts the process by which ballots are obtained, marked, or tabulated; the process by which election results are canvassed and certifed; or the process by which voters are registered.”

  • robert108

    Lefties want to kill individual choice.

  • sayanything-1557

    Fox News is neither fair nor balanced

    I Know! They keep stealing all the ratings from the other networks and cable outlets. How unfair!!!

    The Project for Excellence in Journalism found did a study and found that during 6 weeks starting in early Sept 2008 FOX NEWS had 40% of their stories about Obama being negative while 40% of the stories about McCain were also negative. Those pesky things called facts can really stink!

  • sayanything-4625

    Nor do you know that voter registration fraud did not result in voter fraud.

    Can’t have one without the other. Anyway, why is this a big deal to you? Voter registration fraud is just as bad as voter fraud. They are still a criminal organization. I know they help your party and all but that just shows you’ll defend criminals if they help out the party. Nice job Hanny! Defend those crooks at all costs!

  • sayanything-4625

    Dino makes a work camp reference yet thinks we’re the “nutjob freak fringe”. What a dope.

  • robert108

    Voter fraud starts with registration fraud. You get it wrong again, H.

  • sayanything-1714

    Yeah Rob….because if Fox News sifts through Marriam Websters dictionary to find the word crap and ignore all of the other hundred thousand words…it’s real reporting, right? It’s not selective reporting to put a bend on the entire body of work, right?

    The bottom line is Fox News looks only for the negative to report…it has nothing positive to say…period.

  • sayanything-4625

    That’s not taxpayer money, you idiot.

    Look I get it, you’re dense and anything not spoon fed to you wrong. Heck, most things that are spoon fed to you are wrong. Here’s the thing, I actually read things and remember them. ACORN is ass deep in about 50 housing programs many of them taxpayer funded. Like this one for instance…

    http://www.financialstability.gov/

    http://www.acornhousing.org/index.php

    Obama Administration Announces Homeowner Affordability and Stability Plan

    ACORN Housing Corp and other non-profit HUD-certified housing counseling agencies will be helping borrowers access these programs. While the program will not officially go into effect until March 4th 2009, homeowners can get started on the process NOW by filling out an application for assistance from ACORN Housing. The application is available online at http://www.acornhousinghelp.org or by calling 888-409-3557.

    http://www.acornhousing.org/index.php

    They are also active in handing out loans from their loan brokerage. All are guaranteed by US the taxpayer.

    ACORN Housing Corporation launches non-profit mortgage brokerage

    ACORN Housing Corporation launches non-profit mortgage brokerage with CitiMortgage, Bank of America, First American Title Insurance Company, and Fannie Mae to help low- and moderate-income families find safe, affordable mortgages in Florida

    ACORN Housing and CitiMortgage, Bank of America, First American Title Insurance Company, and Fannie Mae announced today the launching of a new non-profit mortgage brokerage called Acorn Housing Affordable Loans, LLC, to help qualified borrowers enjoy the benefits of homeownership throughout Florida. Additional offices will be launched in other states in the coming months. The new mortgage brokerage will also help homeowners faced with resetting adjustable rates that may make their current home mortgage payments unaffordable.

    Trying to pretend they do not use tax payer money is disingenuous at best and a lie at worst. Calling me an idiot because you didn’t bother to read the link I gave, priceless!

  • Name

    Fox News is neither fair nor balanced. Never has been from day one. Merely a right wing propaganda machine. I used to watch “Fox and Friends” every morning but Brian Kilmeade is such an incredible moron…I just can’t do it any more…….

    Fox “is” what we all know Fox “is”. For those on the right to pretend otherwise just insults your point of view. It is your machine, have it, enjoy it, you deserve it. (on the other hand, I’m not watching Keith O anymore either….he and Kilmeade should go bowling together and leave anyone with a brain stem alone)

  • sayanything-4625
  • HG

    And ACORN has not…..let’s repeat that….HAS NOT committed voter fraud.

    Says the willingly and woefully uninformed.

  • HG

    A hooker and her pimp should never qualify for a gov’t backed loan based on falsified and illegal income. Especially when underage sex slaves are the business. Hope that helps you out a little with that moral dilemma H.

  • sayanything-4625

    The whiner strikes again, “grandparents and parents didn’t want to pay taxes.” Hey stupid, my grandparents and parents, for the most part, had Democrats in power for most of their lives. If they didn’t want to pay taxes its because they saw what a waste of time it was to give Democrats more money. They just waste it. Jeez your an idiot.

  • sayanything-48

    Yeah, that’s it… containment. I had this thought forming yesterday… but it never congealed. This is perfectly stated!

  • sayanything-1714

    Nobody said breaking the law is ok, but that doesn’t mean they don’t do more good than trying to help a hooker buy a house.

    Do you care if a hooker buys a house, yes or no?

  • sayanything-48

    And ACORN has not…..let’s repeat that….HAS NOT committed
    voter fraud.

    This has to be the single DUMBEST statement I have ever seen you post.

    You should get an award or something.

  • sayanything-4625

    How is the prostitute going to buy a house using tax payer money? Who is giving them a loan? Do you really think ACORN is giving them a loan….???

    They seem to think they have a program to assist in buying a house. I guess you know better than their own website though. Who knew?

    http://acornhousing.org/TEXT/homebuying1.php

    Mortgage Programs

    Through ACORN Housing, homebuyers can gain access to mortgage programs with lower interest rates, lower down payments, flexible underwriting guidelines and lower origination fees. With AHC, you can refinance for better terms through the innovative agreements we’ve formed with lenders.

  • sayanything-342

    Hell, many Americans don’t even know who George Soros is. Too many people simply vote with little more than a “feeling” and expect that to carry them through untill the next election. Obama knows this, that’s why he is such a successful slimy snake oil salesman, (sssss). Regardless of this childish attack on FOX it wont stop the truth from getting out. Screw the MSM anyway. They all sold out long ago. Barry is the new Nixon.

  • sayanything-1714

    And ACORN has not…..let’s repeat that….HAS NOT committed voter fraud.

    You don’t know the difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud. Nor do you know that voter registration fraud did not result in voter fraud.

    All you have is fox lies.

  • HG

    How does it feel to get smacked up side the head with every comment you post H?

  • sayanything-1439

    What ..???

    With the real media today being electronic, they are off base. Take Palin’s facebook death panel comment for example…

    atease

  • HG

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12839247/Voter-Fraud-according-to-Project-Vote-(an-ACORN-project)

    Read this H. The definintion of voter fraud follows the introduction. Heh.

  • sayanything-4625

    News agency reports negative stories. Film at eleven.

  • HG

    Clearly you’re the idiot. Making up definitions to fit your arguments are about as stupid as it gets.

  • robert108

    Obama thinks he can bully the American public into accepting his fascist one-party rule. He is in for a big surprise. He has awakened the sleeping giant of basic American conservatism, and it’s clobberin’ time!

  • sayanything-48

    To his credit, Hanny said thing that are dumber than that. In
    fact, I don’t know if that’s in the top 10 Stupidest Hanny
    statements.

    Really? I’m aghast…

  • Pfeh

    Cue the Streisand Effect in 5…4…3…2…1…

    First he was salesman of the year for gun shops across the country, now Obama is trying to edge out everyone else for the title of ‘Biggest Promoter of Fox News’.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

  • sayanything-48

    Conservatism and the republicans are in retreat.

    You’re joking, right? You cannot be blind enough not to notice the tea
    parties, etc that have sprung up over the nation…

    Do you practice being obtuse?

  • sayanything-4625

    Nice comeback! Only if we add in Social Security, all Federal Pensions, military spending and the like. Jesus, find a new set of talking points you sound like a broken record. That STILL doesn’t mitigate the fact of what I said. They know you’re full of crap and see you for what you are.

  • sayanything-1714

    How is the prostitute going to buy a house using tax payer money? Who is giving them a loan? Do you really think ACORN is giving them a loan….???

    Please tell me that is not what you think.

  • sayanything-1714

    Missouri voter fraud timeline.

    Again, you morons confuse voter REGISTRATION fraud, with voter fraud. Just because your right wing sights label it voter fraud doesn’t magically make voter registration fraud, voter fraud.

  • sayanything-1714

    Nobody wants Fox to go away, we are just calling a spade a spade.

    Take ACORN for instance. They wont talk about the good ACORN does, they just try to kill it, because it brought voters out, that help defeat the conservatives.

    As the administration said, it’s a part of the right wing movement, it’s not about reporting fair and balanced information.

  • HG

    Conceptual clarity is important in evaluating evidence of fraud. We begin with a discussion of what voter fraud is and what it is not. The frst problem in defning voter fraud is that as a crime, it defes precise legal meaning. in fact, there is no single accepted legal defnition of voter fraud. We have ffty different state electoral systems and ffty state criminal codes governing the administration of elections, plus a federal code that applies in national elections, and no uniform standards. in fact, some states do not actually criminalize ‘voter fraud,’ although they all criminalize acts that are commonly lumped together under the term, such as illegal voting, providing false information to register to vote, and multiple voting.

    The legal incoherence contributes to popular misunderstandings.We need a basic defnition of voter fraud that cuts through the confusion without violating the way voter fraud is diversely treated in state and federal law. We can start with the u.s. department of Justice’s defnition of
    election fraud and apply it to election crimes committed by voters. The Justice department defnes election fraud as “conduct that corrupts the process by which ballots are obtained, marked, or tabulated; the process by which election results are canvassed and certifed; or the process by which voters are registered.”

    Voter fraud is a sub-category of election fraud, or the intentional corruption of the electoral process by voters.This covers knowingly and willingly giving false information to establish voter eligibility, and knowingly and willingly voting illegally or participating in a conspiracy to encourage illegal voting by others.

    Apparent acts of fraud that result from voter mistakes or isolated individual wrongdoing or mischief making not aimed at corrupting the voting process should not be considered fraud, though sometimes these acts are prosecuted as such.

    All other forms of corruption of the electoral process and corruption committed by elected or election offcials, candidates, party organizations, advocacy groups or campaign workers fall under the wider defnition of election fraud.

  • HG

    Oh, you missed the acorn connection? Search the page, it’s on there.

  • sayanything-1557

    That’s because your parents and grandparents didn’t want to pay taxes.

    Actually my parents and grandparents have paid all taxes they were required to pay by law. If you want to pay extra money to the IRS by all means be my guess. Otherwise shut your holes slut. And I will have my engineering degree in december and with a starting engineering salary I will be able to pay off my student loans in about 2 years.

  • HG

    Listen to these delusional libs. They cannot stand the fact that the stories fox runs are what people want and need to hear, (as evidenced by thier ratings). This, a vast majority of viewers choose over the liberal slant and sifted stories they get from all the other network news stations. Complain all you like libs, people are listening and learning and they prefer it to your comrades at NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC, etc. Whether it is biased or no, it is factual reporting of stories and news events often unreported and ignored by your liberal allies.

  • HG

    There is more than one link in this thread to ACORN involvement in voter fraud.

  • sayanything-4625

    If she is going to use taxpayer money yes. If she is doing on the backs of thirteen year old immigrant kids, most definitely. Do you think we should let that slide?

    As to the law breaking, they are doing voter fraud. Why do you want to excuse that? Because they elect Democrats?

  • sayanything-4416

    It’s fringe. Nutjob, freak fringe.

    Tea parties are so last August. Your movement has run out of steam. Every day that goes by with more people in misery while Wall Street celebrates huge bonuses drives another nail in the coffin of your vile ideology.

    By next year the people will be seething and ready to put the 30-percenters in work camps.

  • sayanything-4416

    Until you can change history or fact, the record plays the same song.

    That song is: the south has always received more than its share of federal money. We in the north, the educated class, have carried you for CENTURIES. That’s why you started the Civil War- you were pissed at your inferiority.

  • sayanything-4416

    That didn’t stop your parents and grandparents from taking federal welfare since all southern states get back far more than they pay in taxes.

  • sayanything-4416

    Jeremy, shouldn’t you be looking for work? It’s going to take you decades to pay off those student loans with the low salaries out there.

    That’s because your parents and grandparents didn’t want to pay taxes.

  • sayanything-4416

    Too bad this administration isn’t going to shrink from a fight like Clinton’s did. You didn’t think you could bully Obama into submission, did you?

    Conservatism and the republicans are in retreat. FOX will go down with them. That’s what they get for their lies.

    Man, I LOVE this.

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