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Friday, April 11, 2008

What Barack Obama Thinks Of Rural America: Bitter, Gun-Toting Xenophobes

Is anyone really surprised?  I mean, this is a member of Rev. Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright’s flock.

...when he spoke to a group of his wealthier Golden State backers at a San Francisco fund-raiser last Sunday, Barack Obama took a shot at explaining the yawning cultural gap that separates a Turkeyfoot from a Marin County. “You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them,” Obama said. “And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Obama made a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience. He described blue collar Pennsylvanians with a series of what in the eyes of creamy Californians might be considered pure negatives: guns, clinging to religion, antipathy, xenophobia.

Given that Barack Obama was recently in my home state of mostly-white, mostly-working class citizens I can’t help but feel that he’s talking about me too.  So let me enlighten Obama as to his misconceptions about us rural yokels.

We cling to guns not because we’re bitter but because we still believe - strike that, we still know - that private gun ownership is a right afforded to us by our constitution.  We’re not anti-immigrant or xenophobic, we’re against millions of people being able to stroll across our borders and partake in the benefits of being American while flouting the laws our elected leaders passed and taking on almost none of the burdens of citizenship.  We may be skeptical of people who aren’t like us, but then who isn’t?  Is Obama really suggesting that a gun-loving conservative from middle America would be welcomed in, say, Berkeley?  Perhaps we should talk to the Berkeley Marine recruiters about the topic of liberal tolerance for people who aren’t like them.

And while I, personally, am not religious I know that my fellow rubes practice their strongly-held religious beliefs as a way of edifying their moral code, creating a sense of community and passing their beliefs and standards on to future generations.  That the churches of places like Pennsylvania and North Dakota seem alien to someone used to the booming diatribes of hatred and bigotry that come from the pulpits of the Rev. Wrights of the world is hardly our fault.

And as for anti-trade, I don’t doubt that many of my fellow rural Americans don’t believe as I do and are skeptical of free trade.  But I certainly don’t see where Barack Obama, who has spent a good deal of this campaign season castigating free trade agreements as having lost this country jobs and wealth, gets off criticizing anyone for being “anti-trade.”

Personally, I don’t know what’s worse.  That Barack Obama said these arrogant things about people like me, or that he thought he could say them to a bunch of rich liberals in California without it getting back to us backwoods, out-of-the-mainstream rubes.

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I read the AP version on yahoo, after I saw your headline on twitter.  I don’t really have much of a problem with it.  For example, this quote:

“People don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody is going to help them,” Obama told a crowd at a Terre Haute, Ind., high school Friday evening. “So people end up voting on issues like guns and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community, and their family, and the things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington.”

I’d say that’s pretty much spot-on.

As for “antipathy to people who aren’t like them” and the always missing the keyword “anti-(illegal)-immigration”, yeah, he’s basically calling them ignorant rednecks.  But I’m not sure the good people of Turkeyfoot PA would even argue with him on that point either…


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Marty on April 11, 2008 at 08:19 pm

It’s typical of the ruling elite who have contempt for those of us who live in “fly over country.”

Kevin on April 11, 2008 at 08:48 pm
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I disagree with that last comment, Marty.  I doubt that anyone likes to think of themselves as being ignorant.

But Obama’s right.  Rural voters probably don’t think they can count on Washington.  They also undoubtedly don’t think a liberal like Obama is going to do anything to change that.


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Rob on April 11, 2008 at 08:49 pm

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them,”

Yes, companies like Caterpillar have left the area.  A better question to ask is why did they leave..?  $20.00 + per hour (1992 dollars) broom pushers might have had something to do with it.  But others have moved in.  Philly and Pittsburgh are not growing.  The “fly over” area in between has grown.  What is the difference..?  Let’s just start and end with party politics.  PA can be described to be a close representative of the USA as a whole.  Left and right coasts are liberal, the center is conservative.  Jobs have not

“And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

What would he have said to the manufacturers of typewriters when the PC took over..?  Things change.  Speaking of which, isn’t that a theme of his campagne, change..?  What does he mean by things fell..?  Unemployment surely fell.  Welfare roles surely fell.  But income and jobs did rise.

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter

Who is bitter..?  Has he listenen to too many Wright sermons..?  Or are we bitter because while things change and yet those who work hard and play by the rules watch those who cheat get ahead..? 

, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them

In PA, the first day of buck season, monday after Thanksgiving, is a holiday.  Schools inbetween Philly and the ‘burgh are closed.  Seniority plays into those fortunate enough to get the day off in manufacturing and other jobs.

or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

This is the biggest problem I have with the whole quote.  What percentage of the population in the US is in favor of open boarders..?  What percentage of the US population favors LEGAL immigration..?

Barry’s worst nightmare is when he gets off script.  His skirt shows too much skin.

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atease on April 11, 2008 at 08:52 pm
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Youre missing the point Marty.  The point isn’t to point out the true meaning of Obama’s statement.  That would be intelligent and honest.

Rob’s point is to take it out of context in order to bury the real meaning of his statements and change them in order to character assassinate Obama.

That’s ok, plenty of people make the mistake of thinking this is real blog, that is meant to inspire honest debate.

Hannitized on April 11, 2008 at 09:01 pm
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Rob’s point is to take it out of context in order to bury the real meaning of his statements and change them in order to character assassinate Obama.

How is quoting, and then reacting, to what Obama actually said assassinating his character?

That’s ok, plenty of people make the mistake of thinking this is real blog, that is meant to inspire honest debate.

That you so often lose debates on this blog, and are made to look foolish in the process, is hardly evidence of a lack of honest debate.


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Rob on April 11, 2008 at 09:06 pm
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How is quoting, and then reacting, to what Obama actually said assassinating his character?

*PSHAW*

First, this time you actually managed to quote him accurately for part of a sentence, but by omitting other pieces of the speech, you ultimately quoted him out of context, intentionally I might add.

Second, its not the quoting him part that creates the assassination, its your phony boloney summation of why he said the remark. 

Don’t think I am ignoring your completely inaccurate statements:

We cling to guns not because we’re bitter but because we still believe - strike that, we still know - that private gun ownership is a right afforded to us by our constitution.

You completely inaccurate interpretation ignores Obma’s point.  That he thinks voters are frustrated that they cant vote and change anything related to their economic situation, but they think they can on easier, more black and white issues, like gun control.  They feel they can actually make a difference for voting on them.

Are you going to tell me your not bitter about Liberal plans on stimulating the economy?  Please.

I would prefer it if when you served your bullshit for dinner, you would be avoid the dishonesty to call it Chicken Marsala.  You may think you created a nicely presented piece of crap, but it still smells like crap....regardless of how you much you tried to pretty it up.

Hannitized on April 11, 2008 at 09:20 pm
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That you so often lose debates on this blog, and are made to look foolish in the process, is hardly evidence of a lack of honest debate.

Ahhh....this is what I love about republitards.  I can’t count how many times I get scoffed by your co-horts for noting the times I have proven your stories as factually inaccurate or employ reason where you abandon it.

Then, when nobody is looking, you guys claim victory and expect me to sit here and not recognize the hypocrisy.  Lame.

Well, here is a news flash for you, I’m not ignoring it. 

The fact that you are too ignorant to understand how many times you have lost an argument does not make a victory for you, other than in your own head.

Would you mind scrolling down a bit to your last lie about what you claim Obama said about AQ in Iraq.  Please, tell me you can back up your accusation there....and tell me you won that debate.  Because when you do, you reinforce my statements all too clearly.

This one requires a bit more intelligence as it would be easy to take him out of context when deliberately ignoring other parts of the speech.  Thus, you go about confused and led to drink the Kool-aid from the manufacturers of right-wing spin machine.

It only takes but for one honest person to read my remarks to remove the napkin off the top of you turd tapas.

Hannitized on April 11, 2008 at 09:29 pm
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god, it’s like this is where stephen colbert comes for all of his material: grab on to one minor aspect of a story that is true, continue to insist that it’s true (even if your opponent agrees that it is true), and then claim victory, as if you had just changed the person’s mind, when they started out agreeing with you on that minor point in the first place.

youfuckingmoron on April 11, 2008 at 09:36 pm
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fuckin stephen fuckin colbert commanded us reality based tv-bots to completely mischaracterize our opponents arguments and pretend like we made some really awesome point and fuckin I’m fucking fuck fuck gonna fuckin do it fuck fuck.....fuck.

stupidfuckingleftist on April 12, 2008 at 01:57 am
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B. Hussein Obama uber alles!  Looks like he was well mentored by Rev Wright.

patriotic on April 12, 2008 at 02:04 am
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Funny, but there wasn’t one “fuck” in that entire piece about Colbert.  They just pretend it was in order to dismiss you.  But youre right on track YFM.

What Robby?  No response to your intentional misrepresentation of Obamas context?  You are just going to hide behind your complete bullshit excuse that you were just quoting him and commenting?

You know what?  People do that to Bush to....its called “Bush lied and people died”.  You are on intellectual par with that crowd.

You idiot propagandist.

What up Carrick?  Don’t have the stones to call Rob out on this crap?  Or are you just as dishonest?

Hannitized on April 12, 2008 at 03:36 am

Rob, You sure do get a lot of Spam!

Zsa Zsa on April 12, 2008 at 04:19 am

Hannitized & YFMoron:  Why waste your time defending the indefensible?  If Obama’s views on smalltown America are true, then why isn’t he making them a theme in his campaign? Answer: He works overtime 24/7 to keep his real views hidden.

If his comments were taken out of context - and they weren’t - then what is the whole context?  This: That large city liberals view smalltown America as racist, gun-toting, fundamentalist dullards, seething with resentment.  I believe the usual term is “rednecks”.

Sorry, guys, as the election unfolds, we begin to see Barack Obama for what he really is.


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pparets on April 12, 2008 at 04:58 am
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So what is the problem?  Sounds like an accurate description of Obama’s observation.  Why are you all getting so worked up over ones description of what he has seen in these communities?

Chris on April 12, 2008 at 06:36 am

Pparets, you have to admit that this is pretty damned funny. 

We all know that Obama doesn’t think there are any al Qeada in Iraq, he’s literally said that dozens of times because he finally backed off at the last syllable with an “urp”.  Then he tries to say no major leaders in Iraq. Hm.. guess people who are responsible for some 50,000 deaths don’t constitute “major” in Obama’s mind huh?

“I understand that Sen. Obama said that if al Qaeda established a base in Iraq that he would send troops back in militarily. Al Qaeda already has a base in Iraq. It’s called al Qaeda in Iraq,”. Senator John McCain.

Now Obama exposes his elitist attitudes and they are all over here banging their drums trying to shout down the messenger.  I guess being the whiny little ill-tempered children they are, this “NANNY-NANNY BOO-BOO” nonsense will sway people.

Of course it will.

It’s a constant reminder that the Democratic party is run by children, fruits and out right lunatics. 

Rob couldn’t get a better and more accurate representation of the net-nuts movement in the Democratic party than we are seeing here.  LMAO.

Carrick on April 12, 2008 at 06:42 am
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Rob’s point is to take it out of context

déjà vu! That voice! Where have I heard that incessantly whiny voice before???



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

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It only takes but for one honest person to read my remarks

...typed with one hand and typically full of crap, to recognize how typically dishonest Han-job is!


For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

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I live in the middle of “fly over” country:  Kansas.  I’m tired of living with these ignorant, bigoted, jingoistic troglodytes so I’m moving.  Get real kid.  Rural america are the ones that are out of touch.  (1) many vehemently support gun rights because they think they can hold it against the government (Millenialist style) [BTW I’m totally for gun rights for pragmatic reasons] (2) racism, no bigotry is a better word, runs rampant.  As the saying goes: Damnant quod non intelligunt.  It’s not anti immigrant, it’s isolationist I-feel-uncomfortable (at best)-with-anything-that’s-not-like-me-ism (3) they go to church b/c, for the most part, they need someone to tell them over and over again what “we” believe and who to vote for. [again, not against church, just stupidity… I go myself]

In the end, he was trying to explain illogical behavior to individuals who have no chance of understanding it (rich elitist yada yada yada) and explain pressing questions like (1) why are they so pissed off [eg. the angry white male in ‘92, etc.] (2) what’s the big deal about the guns [urban populations associate guns with crime, not a fun time with buddies, etc.] etc etc.
For God’s sake, lay off the guy!

Travis Waterman on April 12, 2008 at 10:29 am
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Sounds like Travis is as elitist as Obama.


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Rob on April 12, 2008 at 11:04 am
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I am a resident of Illinois, and as recently as two weeks ago, I spoke about the issue of health care with one of Obama’s Senate staff members.  He declined to put the comments that he made to me in writing.

I have spoken with other members of Obama’s staff too, and I can testify that the only change they are interested in is the change that they can put in their pockets.

John on April 12, 2008 at 12:38 pm
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Sounds like Travis is as elitist as Obama.

Yeah, I guess youre always an elitist when you recognize how much better you are than the idiots you are surrounded by, I suppose.

If that is the way it is, then count me in as an elitist because I am not going to deny thy realities of bigotry, stupidity just because it makes me an elitist.

Oh, and by the way, put Carrick down as an elitist as well as Proof, their stupid comments are right on par with your logic here Genius.

Hannitized on April 12, 2008 at 01:04 pm
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It’s a constant reminder that the Democratic party is run by children, fruits and out right lunatics.

Rob couldn’t get a better and more accurate representation of the net-nuts movement in the Democratic party than we are seeing here.  LMAO.

You elitist you.

Hannitized on April 12, 2008 at 01:06 pm

It’s not elitist to rail against childish behavior, imbecilic thought and out right unhinged moonbattery..

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It’s not elitist to rail against childish behavior, imbecilic thought and out right unhinged moonbattery.

Add whiny little bitch, and you’ve got Hannitized! smile



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on April 12, 2008 at 05:05 pm
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It’s not elitist to rail against childish behavior, imbecilic thought and out right unhinged moonbattery..

It’s elitist to misinterpret logical arguments against nonsensical ones, such as Robs, by calling them childish and imbecilic.  Hell, Obama merely called them bitter.  You go ahead and take elitism to a new level.

You elitist you.

Hannitized on April 12, 2008 at 10:15 pm
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Looks like BO has unwittingly “come out of the closet” by revealing what a large segment of his party thinks about the “hoi polloi.” He just doesn’t get it - those non-Harvard “educated,” hard working “inferiors” are what built this country.  Add this to Rev Wright mentoring and his wife’s condescending comments - So much for the uniter image.  He reveals himself as just another run of the mill socialist stuck in a 60’s time warp.

patriotic on April 15, 2008 at 04:17 am
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I just love how noone is really even reading Rob’s post and is just posting comments showcasing their own hatred and bigotry.  Rob, you really hit it here, and I second a lot of what you’re saying.  Lifelong small town resident and Democrat here, by the way.

Michael Dean on April 21, 2008 at 09:30 am
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