We’re One Step Away From Setting A Withdrawal Date In Iraq

Iraq’s Council of Representatives just passed today an agreement with the United States that would have all combat operations completed in Iraq, and Iraqi security forces in full control, in just a little over seven months. A withdrawal of all US personnel from Iraq (outside of permanent diplomatic personnel who would man our embassy there, I’m presuming) in three years.

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This agreement now has to go through the final step of being approved by Iraq’s Presidency Council, but at this point I think that’s just a formality.
This is the goal we’ve been shooting for all along in Iraq. It is victory. We defeated the terrorists, protected the fledgling Iraqi government until it could stand on its own, and now we’re setting a date to leave the country much better off than when we invaded.
And all of that happened because we didn’t listen to defeatist Democrats like Barack Obama.
The sad thing is that this may end up being the least celebrated US military victory of all time. The left/media (same thing) invested so much of themselves in the idea that Iraq was a lost cause that now they aren’t about to admit that they were wrong all along.
They should, but they won’t.

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  • http://Array ellinas

    Excellent! Like Ann Coulter, I know when I’m making leftie heads explode, I’m doing it right; saying the truth. Truth to a leftie is like a Cross to a vampire.

    robert108 on November 28, 2008 at 05:31 pm

    Patting yourself on the back, I see!
    Knock it off with the absurdity.

  • robert108

    No counter argument from e liar, as usual.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    The purpose of real marriage has always been to resolve the male/female polarity, to unite families, and to legitimize children.

    if you truly believe this then you honestly disgust me.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    Neiman the judges ruling is in no way unconstitutional. that’s how our system works. If the judges had ruled so starkly against the popular idea, then they would have been at least impeached, don’t you think?
    Your right with it being something of the church. It is completly unconstitutional for the government to step into that line, but then wouldn’t that also mean that married couples of the same sex should not recieve and special treatment when compared to a non married couple? that would be a contradiction. Do you really think that if we let gays marry that the heterosexual rate will drop so drastically as to end our civilization? are you insane? Chances are that the heterosexual rate of marriage will drop, only because those who are gay and hiding it will have less pressure to do so.

  • robert108

    You keep lying, we keep smackin’ you with the truth.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    What wonderful news that we are going to finally end the Iraq quagmire in three more years. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that our government misled US into the Iraq mess. We never should have attacked, invaded, or occupied Iraq in the first place.

    Blah, blah, blah, blah blah… Oh the same old tired crap Bush lied people died. We know, its the mantra of Moveon.org, George Soros and others.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    being incorrect yet being willing to be open to other truths does not make one a liar. Making false truths along with stubborness does make one a “fabulist”. At least in my own eyes…

  • Dino

    Ok, so far we have:

    Several people thinking my personal sex life invalidates my opinions,

    One who thinks “terrorists” are responsbile for the death and destruction in Iraq (chich is correct but it was American terrorists),

    One who thinks the Iraqs will look back and thank us for destroying their lives (at least the ones we didn’t kill, hard for the dead ones to express gratitude),

    And all who think I’m evil.

    And on a holiday no less! Good Job!

    Iraq was fine before we went there. People went about thier lives better than they are now. I understand your naivete’. All invading, conquering, murderous people think that what they’re doing is the right thing. You’d be hard-pressed to find any invader/conquerers throughout history who didn’t think they were justified whether for religious reasons, economic reasons, or just because they wanted to. So in that way you’re like all other uncivilized, criminally-minded, power-mad cultures.

    I’m sure the tens of thousands of people killed and the generations destroyed will not thank us. In fact, they survivors of this criminal actions against the Iraqi people will begin plotting many more 9/11s and Mumbai-style attacks against Americans. Hard to see why they wouldn’t be justified.

    Yes, I’m all too sure we tried to limit collateral damage. But that just isn’t good enough. I’d like to see any city (hopefully a republican-laden one) in America deal with what we did to those people. We lost 3000 people in a short time and you would have thought the world cvame to an end. The Iraqis have had their lives turned upside down for SIX YEARS and have suffered greatly at the hands of this EVIL COUNTRY. They lost TENS OF THOUSANDS thanks to the US. MILLIONS were displaced with the smartest and best fleeinig the country. And you think they’re going to thank us? When they get around to exacting their revenge I’m sure we’ll hear whining about “Oh why do they hate us so?!”

    Well the next time we get hit you’ll understand why. Oh wait, nevermind, you think they should THANK US for destroying their lives.

  • 2Hotel9

    So,”that “tiny violent minority special interest group” is your future. get used to it friends…

    Shit Happens
    John Locke on November 28, 2008 at 07:36 pm” you openly, publicly admit your goal is an armed conflict in North America. Thanks for being honest, suckpuppet. At least one of your personalities should be.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    It was ruled legal here in California. Then it was over-ruled by the measure during our last election.and i am not speaking for other states. i am speaking about California. Eventually this whole mess will be sent back and forth until the dust settles and one side or the other tires out. and no, i am not trying to emulate you. I haven’t picked up name calling quite yet…

  • Craig

    Dino,

    Others may have, but I did not say that you were Evil. Just because I disagree with you does not mean that you Evil. I merely challenged you to look at how our adversaries treat people before you decide that we are the bad guys. They didn’t start doing this because of us, they did it long before. We are just a convienient excuse.

    You say “this EVIL COUNTRY.” So what makes this country so evil, and where would be a better place to live (no I’m not saying move there).

    I have lived and visited many places. Few places have our quality of life. The US is a leader in foreign Aid (from agricultural projects in Africa to disaster relief in Asia). We have the best health care (in spite of the access issue). And, for over 230 years we have had a great string of civil transfers of power at the city, state, and federal level (including a peaceful transition from a confederacy under the Articles of Confederation to a federal republic under the Constitution).

  • robert108

    but using the same logic, you can’t just say that letting them get married would case anyone harm!

    Logic requires a counter argument, and you have yet to make one. It is idiotic to claim that changing one of the basic building blocks of human civilization would be harmless. In order to change something so basic, you would have to come up with a very good reason or reasons, and you have yet to do so.
    I’m not surprised, of course, since no homo activist ever has.

  • Neiman

    like i said, there are no solid reasons besides the fact that a growing number of people around the world think it’s “the right thing to do”. eventually we’ll outnumber you in church and state, and that will be the end of this discussion.

    So, if a solid number of people around the world approve of adult sex with minors, will that make it right? Never! My point being, morality is not subject to the ballot box or polls. Either a thing is immoral or it is not, and homosexuality is by any reasonable measure immoral.

    How will it end the discussion, the people opposing it will still fight against it because it is perverse, it is perverted sexual relations and a perversion of marriage. By the way, to get the world behind you will require more than a Billion Muslims, a Billion Catholics and hundreds of millions of evangelical Christians to accept it, which means a zillion years from now maybe. Widely accepted in a fat, lazy and liberal western world? Yeah, maybe, but even that is still in doubt.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    :D
    well then… back onto topic… I believe that we should take care of Iran before moving out of Iraq. Any comments Mr. Graves?

  • Neiman

    John LOcke was an idiot of the first order! A wholly self-involved creature, in love with himself and the sound of his own voice!

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    i am simply commenting. It’s up to you to take them to heart, or classify them as “Whiny bitchy”. But that’s besides the point. It seems we have careened of course a bit.

  • robert108

    like i told you, this is easier said then done. the most basic arguement is that it is the right people who meet the requirements of marriage, even if they are of same sex, that they should be allowed to marry. And change is
    needed to survive. just thought i ought to add that

    Now you have descended into pure bullshit. The primary requirement for marriage, the one that defines it, is that it’s between men and women. Now, in most of the world, it’s one man one woman, but whatever the ration, “marriage” is the union of the male and female. Without that requirement, it’s meaningless, just another “hookup” for temporary pleasure purposes.
    Your weak cheese about “change” is noted; again, what is the reason to change this? Please give a reason, if you can.
    In what way does changing the basic requirement for marriage help anyone survive? Please give details, with premises and conclusion.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John

    well that’s a relief… at least someone here is being facetious. It seems that some of these wackos fully support their mind vomit that they decided to post.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    you cannot nullify anything! like i said, expo facto. i’m sure you do not have to look it up to know what that means. And my chronological order was incorrect only because i did not include that prior ruling. you are right on the fact that it was a State Supreme Court ruling that made the “right” of same sex marriage. My apologizes. But like i said, despite that, expo facto laws should protect them. Just because i was incorrect does not make me a “fabulist”. I am always open to corrections and discussion.

  • robert108

    You know what propaganda is, right?

    It’s everything you post. You spew pure lying leftie propaganda, designed to express your antiAmerican hatred. We get it.

    When we retreat from the terrorists, they advance.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    like i told you, this is easier said then done. the most basic arguement is that it is the right people who meet the requirements of marriage, even if they are of same sex, that they should be allowed to marry. And change is needed to survive. just thought i ought to add that

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John

    might i also add the fact that Japan is withdrawing their support in Iraq? It wasn’t much but they helped us transport thing through the air which is necessary in war. We can’t survive over there on our own, not in our present state.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS/11/27/japan.iraq/index.html

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Brain dead for sure and certain.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    nice way of putting it…

  • Dino

    But using the words like self-depracating and debauched is so totally gay.

    And the phrase “come now” is over-the-top-I’m-wearing-an-ascot-and-smoking-jacket-and-can’t-stiffen-my-wrists gay.
    :)

  • robert108

    But giving homosexuals the ability to marry
    wouldn’t hurt anyone, would it?

    It’s not about any “ability”, it’s about meeting the requirements, once again. As far as “not hurting anyone”, how can you be so sure? It’s an instititution as old as humanity itself, in all probability, and it unites families, tribes and countries, as well as establishing the basic fabric of interlocking blood relationships in all of human society.
    You have yet to make an affirmative argument, btw.
    BTW, I have asked the same question of homosexual “marriage” advocates countless times, and have yet to receive an answer.
    It’s very simple: State the positive argument for redefining marriage to suit a very small, demonstrably violent, minority pressure group, especially when the will of the people is so consistently against such redefinition.
    What are the benefits?

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John

    Look, the problem is that if we try to leave, Iran will almost certainly over throw whatever meager defenses we have set up and absorb the weapons and such that we leave behind. and don’t bother saying that we don’t because we ALWAYS do. I don’t know why, ask our military. Probably because it’s cheaper to leave it there then ship it back to the US. So there in lies the problem. If we even try to mention a sentence with “longer” and “stay”, the speaker will be chastised horribly. But if we go, we are just arming our enemy. What to do what to do….

    Locke

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Dino:

    You can just shove it up your as….

    oh.

    Never mind.

  • Dino

    Robbie, I never see you posting any links or offering anything beyond bitter commentary.

    Perhaps your intellect cannot compete.

  • Dino

    Being facetious, John.

  • robert108

    More proof of insanity.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    I tell the truth; you lie. If you think Iraq was just fine under the murderous, dictatorial reign of Saddam, you are simply insane. After you made that statement, you lost all credibility.

    Even the most liberal groups estimate well in excess of 150 thousand CHILDREN dying from starvation under the sanctions. Yet the moron whines about 30,000 mostly killed from insurgent bombs.

    What a jackass.

  • Neiman

    Dino once before you accussed the American soldiers of being terrorists and now you deny any terrorism on the part of aggressive gay activists, but let us look at the word:

    Terrorism: It is by violence or threats of violence to cause fear in order to force others to accept your will on a particular matter.

    Islam is terrorist in that its miltant adherents through actual acts of violence, rape, torture and murder and threatened acts desire cause fear among all Jews and infidels in order to force their religion and way of life on other people.

    In Iraq we went in as a legitimate military force under the approval of the United Nations to bring down a murderous, extremely violent dictator. We have stayed long enough to help the Iraqi people build a safe and stable democracy, wherein the people decide their own destiny. Other than a very few, rare criminal acts, there have been absolutely no illegal or immoral acts committed by our military. It was all conducted under the rules of war for the security of the United States and the best interests of the Iraqi people and the Middle East. Our operations there by no stretch of the truth can be reasonably defined as terrorism.

    Homosexuals have used the courts and taken to the streets by acts of actual violence, verbal violence and threats of violence to intimidate, to force, those objecting to their lifestyle choice into giving them their way, to validate their perverse sexual lifestyle choice.

    The United States does not commit acts of terror, while in both Islam and the activist homosexual community terrorism is their modi operandorum; that is, their standard methods of operation to force others to give them their way.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    although, if you think about it Constitutionally, those marriages that occurred after it was made legal, but before it was ruled illegal are still binding. Expo Facto…

  • 2Hotel9

    Just watch, the history revision has already commenced. The media in Europe has been trying to spin this for 2 months, the US media is just ignoring it for the most part. A few”Daddy is not home for Thanksgiving” puff pieces and a passing mention of how America is bugging out of the cities in Iraq.

    dino? are you telling us that the USS Abraham Lincoln did not accomplish its mission during deployment to the Middle East? Care to prove that?

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Dino: You are human filth.

    I’m grateful today that I know no one as worthless and evil as yourself.

    Have a Happy Thanksgiving anyway you pathetic joke.

  • robert108

    Saddam was killing, torturing(actual torture, not interrogation) and disappearing Iraqis for decades before any sanctions. Besides, he got megabucks through the corrupt UN “oil for food” scam, and spent it all on palaces for himself, so he was directly responsible for Iraqi starvation. The bombs the terrorists set were set to kill Iraqi civilians on purpose. No sane person would try to justify that.

    You seem to be under the delusion that we care what you think. All we do is smack you with the truth when you lie. You’re a chew toy.

  • RebTex

    Conservatives are similar to Islamic terrorists in one, fundamental way: they both celebrate war crimes.

    So….using your thought process, gays are like islamic fundamentalists in that if you don’t think their way, they’ll commit terrorist acts & try to destabilize a community in an effort to achieve their goalpoint.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    ehh, lets save his sexuality for another discussion. i’m already part of the http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/mccarthyism_hollywood_liberals_blacklisting_people_who_supported_anti_gay_m/P100/
    conversation.

  • Dino

    You say something Robbie? Oh yeah, you were responding to me despite your not caring what I post.

    So the decades he was a bad guy- would those be the decades when he was our allie?

    Make up your mind.

    As I said, it’s hard for me to imagine a conservative caring what happens to Iraqis. Really. Have you ever heard such nonsense?

  • Dino

    John, leave them this board. The poor things have so little to celebrate, that 4% victory over 2% of the population in California is all they have. They got to keep the word “marriage”.

    We got:

    The White House
    The Congress
    Many state legislatures

    And soon,

    3 liberal Supreme Court justices.

  • robert108

    I’m still waiting for an affirmative argument for changing marriage to accomodate a small minority of violent people who are willing to use coercion to impose their selfish desires on the rest of us.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    there was no “voters has received the same overwhelming response from the electorate: NO.” if you payed attention to the votes, it was pretty god dam close.

  • robert108

    What he wrote is absurd.

    Coming from a pathological liar, that’s a compliment. Unintended, of course.

  • Dino

    Personally, I don’t believe there were that many mass graves and the ones that were real I have not heard why they were there. Lots of propaganda out there particularly from America and Britian. Say, have they ever found those drones capable of hitting London within 45 minutes? How about all those chemical weapons? And what about that vial of horrible toxic material {read “baby [powder”} that Colin Powell was swinging around tesitfying before Congress to freak out people like you? Oh yeah, Saddam shipped all that shit to Syria and we didn’t notice. We just have the most sophisticated surveillance in the world so that if a camel farts in Iraq we knew about it. But oh yeah, they shipped it underground. Do you see where this is going? You people always have an answer.

    The propaganda machine was working overtime back then. Every time you hear the numbers they rise. Soon you’ll be hearing that Saddam killed 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of his own people!!!

    You know what propaganda is, right? Isn’t that what McCain’s campaign was based on, cough cough, bill ayers, socialism, barak hussein obama, reverend wright?

    I’m sure Saddam Hussein (OH MY GOD! He has the same last name as our new President’s middle!) wasn’t a sweet man but that doesn’t absolve us of our part in wrongdoing. I’ll bet the millions displaced and the tens of thousands dead would have preferred life as it was.

    The funniest part of thise whole line of debate is a bunch of conservatives trying to convince anyone they invaded Iraq to help dark people- MUSLIMS!- on the other side of the world! I mean, you people HATE to help people in your own backyard! Why would we believe you care about downtrodden Iraqis?

    Because you don’t.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    so you agree? thank god…

  • ellinas

    We got:

    The White House
    The Congress
    Many state legislatures

    And soon,

    3 liberal Supreme Court justices.

    Dino on November 28, 2008 at 05:12 pm

    We? Who is this we shit?

  • Dino

    It’s ok, John. The brainstems think being a homosexual negates one’s opinions. It’s that kind of logic that has given them such stunning election defeats these past 2 cycles, rendering them impotent.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    can we just stop with all the name calling? it’s pathetic!

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    the person impersonating John Locke asks:

    well then… back onto topic… I believe that we should take care of Iran before moving out of Iraq. Any comments Mr. Graves?

    Just one. You obviously have not followed the link in my signature block nor the links from that article to earlier articles.

  • robert108

    Face it, you’re kind are dying off.

    And not a minute too soon.

    The violent agenda revealed. This is exactly the same kind of thinking that killed more than 100 million at the hands of the Marxists. Thanks for affirming my call of a “tiny violent minority pressure group”.

  • 2Hotel9

    Obviously you don’t really care. That is all too clear.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Did I forget to mention that States generally regulate the institution of marriage. States recognize marriages outside of religion primarily because the institution of marriage benefits society.

    Families are generally better off, the children better behaved and not tax burdens on the rest of society, and are generally formed into better adults. A lot of our criminality is based on the post-1970′s single, welfare mom paradigm, with the guys turning into thugs and the girls Ho’s, often having babies while they themselves are just emerging into the double-digits in age.

    (Yeah, so Dan Quail was right after all, at least with respect to Murphy Brown)

    States are also responsible for the Health, Safety, Morals and Welfare of their citizens.

    Homosexuals have been and remain the leading vector of the deadly, incurable AIDS/HIV virus. What they do DOES affect the rest of society. Through their filthy anal antics they are coming down with a modern-day plague and handing the rest of society the price tag for curing them, and keeping them alive artificially through expensive drug cocktails.

    Not satisfied with the substantial and added cost to society, they are also diverting much-needed research dollars from Breast Cancer, Cerebral Palsy, and many other vital research efforts.

    Finally, there is the clear and present and very lethal danger they present to society by way of spreading infections to the non-homosexual aspects of society, thus the blood supply and organ donation supply is threatened, as well as the spread of their virus to the general population.

    So, the oxymoronic Gay Marriage thing is bad for the rest of society.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    *sighs*
    i’m sorry. legal was probably not the best word to use. And Neiman, sometimes whether the people California wanted it or not, the judges said there part. And yes i know Locke is dead. But i still find him as a good mask. and again nieman, you are entitled to your opinion. i however believe that homosexuals should have the same right to a marriage as any other person in this country. It’s going to happen eventually.

  • robert108

    Homosexuals should be able to marry and have the same rights and benefits that a man and a women who marry have.

    Why? I have yet to hear a positive argument for changing the definition of what is the prime building block of human society to please a very tiny, violent minority pressure group. What do we gain from this?

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Dino,

    To quote Victor / Victoria: “You’re a pathetic old homosexual.”

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Heh,

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll,

    Can’t cope with mockery. Whiny bitch indeed.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    the person impersonating John Locke informs us:

    It seems we have careened of course a bit.

    Gee! Really!

    You mean

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic
    obnoxious troll’s

    diversion of this thread on the United States’ triumph of arms in Iraq into yet another whiny foot stomping petulent tantrum in protest of societies refusal to accept (vice tolerate) homosexuality was off topic?

    Who knew!

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    goon,

    I second the motion and call for the vote.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Why

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll, whiney bitch, and “pathetic old homosexual.”

    You seem to have missed a few things!

    1) Every state which has submitted the issue of “same sex marriage” to the voters has received the same overwhelming response from the electorate: NO.

    2) The specific case in California was that the State Supreme Court overturned a ballot initiative (an initiative which carried by something like a 62%) which re-wrote state law to define “marriage” as being solely between one man and one woman. One should note that this did not effect the legality of existing California Domestic Partnership laws.

    3) Proposition 8 was submitted to the voters as a California Constitutional amendment to remove the issue from the purview of the California Supreme Court, and was qualified for the ballot BEFORE the CA Supreme Court invented a “right” to same sex marriage out of thin air and overturned the expressed will of the electorate.

    4) Despite former Governor and current State Attorney General Jerry “Moonbat” Brown’s manipulation of the ballot description, millions of dollars in advertising (not to mention the “free” advertising on the issue embedded in the “products” of Hollyweird), and a 20% margin in the electorate for the democRATs, Proposition 8 still carried.

    The deviant set had long since won tolerance.

    The deviant set found this inadequate and instead demanded acceptance. Lost. Demanded the courts enforce acceptance, and have now lost again.

    Given current trends and the tactics employed by

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll, whiney bitch, and “pathetic old homosexual.”

    and his fellow militant rump rangers, the deviant set may just inspire a backlash which will overturn the current level of tolerance, and have no one to blame for it butt themselves.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Nope.

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll,

    Is indeed a winy bitch and “…a pathetic old homosexual.*”

    * Same source as before!

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    *sighs*
    there is no point with you people is there? we comment on what you are saying, then you accuse of trying to end the human race??? we quote your own words, then you act as if we spoke them ourselves and call us murders? This is not discussion, this is pathetic…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Hey Nieman,

    Not a problem, my friend. It’s interesting that you should say that. Back during the Clinton administration, my focus was Second Amendment. I posted in something like 40 state and Canadian RKBA Lists. I provided ammo to my friends there as well.

    During an international conference someone recognized my Username nametag. He shook my hand and thanked me.

    He said he had made a subdirectory specifically for my posts.

    Cool.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    And as previously mentioned,

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll

    is already all over the whiny, bitchy, “…pathetic old homosexual.” thing.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    overcompensating elinas,

    I make no comment whatsoever about the content of robert108′s commentary. I was referring only to you and your posting history here on Say Anything Blod when I said:

    Were you to follow your own advice:
    You’d never again open your mouth or touch a keyboard.

    Truth only hurts when it’s supposed to…

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    struck as non-responsive as to the actual question:

    Where has a ballot measure endorsing “same sex” marriage passed?

    Hint: Nowhere.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    the person impersonating John Locke gets fast and loose with his starting point:

    It was ruled legal here in California. Then it was over-ruled by the measure during our last election.

    Get your chronology strait.

    First, a ballot measure (Proposition 22) was qualified for the ballot in 2000 and passed. This proposition (which carried by 61.4%) amended state code to read:

    Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

    As previously mentioned, this had no impact on California’s then existing generous Domestic Partnership laws.

    That was a rather stunning repudiation for the likes of

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll

    and the rest of the “…pathetic old homosexual” whiny bitch fellow travellers. Rather than work the long strategy of convincing the electorate to reconsider, they took their challenges to the courts.

    Noting this change in tactics by the “…pathetic old homosexual” whiny bitch crowd, and knowing the California Supreme Court for the bench sitting legislators they long to be, a new voter initiative, which would amend the California State Constitution to define marriage as a union between “one man and one woman” was qualified for the 2008 ballot (after legal maneuvering prevented it from being considered in 2007 when it actually qualified).

    It was during this artificial delay that the California Supreme Court invented a “right” to same sex marriage which prior to that time had been invisible (non extant, in fact) in the letter of the actual state constitution. They did so despite petitions to stay their ruling until the voice of the electorate could be heard on the matter.

    Proposition 8 of course passed.

    In light of the history above, all of the same sex marriages entered into between the Supreme Court’s intercession and the electorate’s repudiation of that intercession should be nullified. Any California Supreme Court Justice who votes to overturn the amendment passed by the electorate should be recalled.

    Do try to be less of a fabulist and whiny bitch,

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll

    has that niche more than adequately covered.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Person impersonating John Locke,

    Where has a ballot measure endorsing “same sex” marriage passed? The “NO” answer is not overwhelming in the numbers within most of the states (though there have been some noteworthy super majorities), rather it is overwhelming in its breadth. I suspect it would suffer the same fate if placed before the voters in mASSachusetts and New York (state).

    Do try not to emulate

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic the
    obnoxious troll’s

    whiny, bitchy, “…pathetic old homosexual.” carping, if you can.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    the person impersonating John Locke opines:

    there is no point with you people is there?

    If all you are going to bring is whiny bitching, no, not really.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    overcompensating elinas,

    Were you to follow your own advice:

    Knock it off with the absurdity.

    You’d never again open your mouth or touch a keyboard.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    2hotel9 I think you will be waiting a long time for dinomoron to give you proof…

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    what is right changes with time. it was “ok” by societies standards to marry younger then 18 before, but things changed right? same will happen in our world. it may have been “wrong” for to people of the same sex to marry before, but that will soon change.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    and if you really believe that i’m someone else on here then go right on and think that. I personally don’t really care.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    No.

    You’ll all buttfu@k each other to death, giving each other AIDS.

    See… you homos will all get it in the end.

    Heh heh.

  • robert108

    i just hope that in the future we breed out idiots.

    Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end; they have to recruit to increase their ranks, or even to replenish those lost to their AIDS plague. Their terrorism in trying to overturn the will of the people in CA is obvious.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Dude…

  • robert108

    RG: It’s use of “brainstem” as an adolescent insult is also grossly inaccurate. The brain stem is the source for the unconscious, vegetative functions of the body. A person with only brain stem activity would be an unconscious vegetable, incapable of either motion or awareness, much less able to type comments on a keyboard. Instead, the idiot exhibits perfect limbic system activity, appearing rational, but being subject only to preprogrammed responses, and inaccessible to outside information, operating only on the reactive, emotional level, convinced its worldview is the only way to survive, so it clings to its preprogrammed bullshit with the tenacity of someone who feels their life is at risk. It is beneath the level of any measurable intelligence.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Gay violence and terrorism?

    It’s been known to happen.

    Malvo and company (aka Beltway Sniper) come to mind.

    Then again, that sort of thing gets suppressed by the Left-leaning media and homosexual pressure groups.


    Payback for expose on ‘dyke’ gang rapes

    Homosexual activists attack revelations of lesbian assaults. Two news stories about hundreds of lesbian gangs attacking and raping young girls in schools and other public locations have prompted a backlash against the reporters by members of the homosexual community

    And

    in regards to homosexual couples and domestic violence, studies indicate that as a whole homosexual couples have higher rates of promiscuity than heterosexual couples. In addition, studies report that homosexual couples have significantly higher incidences of violent behavior which will be covered shortly. These studies are not surprising at all given what pathologists have stated regarding the commonness and brutality of homosexual murders.

  • 2Hotel9

    Still waiting for you to prove anything you say, dino.

  • Sanity&Reality;

    Less than a year ago we were talking bout how Obama wants to cut and run before the job is done, all of a sudden the war is over and we won, just in time for Bush to leave.

    Fake victory for a poorly planned and decently executed operation.

  • di butler

    John Locke,

    Using the arguement “It’s the right thing to do” is never going to win any arguement or debate with anyone over the age of 12. You could say, hey, let’s all kill those people making too much noise outside, “It’s the right thing to do.” See how dumb that sounds? That’s not a good arguement. As for gay “marriage,” no, I don’t get it. I have several gay friends and acquaintances, some of them are in domestic partnerships, a couple have had civil unions. They think this is so silly, and unneccessary. How come all gays aren’t pushing for it if it is so vital to their lives? It may be the shape of the future, but that doesn’t mean it is correct. My 17 yr. old pregnant daughter had to have me there to sign with her to get married, her fiance had to have his parent sign for him, and they had to have a proof of pregnancy that was signed by the state health dept. that was less than 2 wks. old to get married and it is legal to marry in GA at 17. It isn’t easy for heterosexuals to get married sometimes, either. But we didn’t get violent about it.

  • ellinas

    Excellent! Like Ann Coulter, I know when I’m making leftie heads explode, I’m doing it right; saying the truth. Truth to a leftie is like a Cross to a vampire.

    robert108 on November 28, 2008 at 05:31 pm

    Patting yourself on the back, I see!
    Knock it off with the absurdity.

  • robert108

    then why marry…?

    Answered multiple times already. Do you have any affirmative argument for calling what homos do “marriage”? Still waiting.

  • ellinas

    RebTex. One has to visually inspect the grits, and sniff for freshness prior to kissing them.

  • RebTex

    If ones grits are kissable, why not plant a wet one

    I think ALL women should be put on a pedistal…just high enough so that I can see up their dress!
    /Lord, I “pologize……
    .
    .
    .
    .
    //See?! Now I did it!

  • ellinas

    You keep lying, we keep smackin’ you with the truth.

    robert108 on November 28, 2008 at 07:22 pm

    There you go again with your BS. I think along with your BS, you also have EDS.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    like i said, there are no solid reasons besides the fact that a growing number of people around the world think it’s “the right thing to do”. eventually we’ll outnumber you in church and state, and that will be the end of this discussion.

  • ellinas

    What?

  • RebTex

    It’s use of “brainstem” as an adolescent insult is also grossly inaccurate.

    But it’s like any other catch phrase. It get’s overused.
    Kinda like Flo used “Kiss my grits”.
    Pretty soon, everyone wanted their grits kissed.
    THE more immature the person, the more they over use the latest catch phrase.
    Just listen to any elementary-aged group of kids.

  • ellinas

    Beloned Rodney. Did someone appoint you as robert108′s chief defender? What he wrote is absurd.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    i was actually quoting something that robert said. In honesty, i don’t see most pro gay groups to be violent.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    what? you think i’m someone else? wonderful…

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    you cannot compare two people of the same sex getting married to that of a marriage between family, human and animal, or any of those listed above! like i said, change is needed to survive. whether any of you like or not, change is going to come to America eventually. I respect all of your opinions but that fact remains. so get used to it folks.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Oh my!

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic
    obnoxious troll

    whose knee spasms like a jack hammer opines:

    These people operate from the level of the brainstem. No cerebrum activity.

    This from the troll who has yet to make a cogent and persuasive argument on the one and only subject it opines upon at all. That, by the way, is known as projection and if anyone cares enough about

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic
    obnoxious troll

    to stage an intervention, there is professional help available.

  • Dino

    2HOTEL9,

    Did you say something? Wasn’t paying attention. I was listening to President Obama’s last press conference. You remember him, black guy? Won the election? Liberal?

    LOL

  • robert108

    The point of any marriage is a way to show ones love for another.

    Wrong again! The purpose of real marriage has always been to resolve the male/female polarity, to unite families, and to legitimize children. Again, you homos want to redefine marriage for your own selfish wants.
    I’m still waiting for an affirmative argument for calling what homos do “marriage”.

  • Dino

    The US is 19th for per capita foreign aid. We’re not leaders.

    Our adversaries didn’t kill over 30,000 Iraqi civilians. We did.

    Many places have our quality of life. And better.

    A convenient excuse? We invade a country and wreck total havoc and that’s your take on it?

    Like I said, we crumbled because of one day’s attack, the loss of two buildings and 3000 people. Pretty harsh and cavalier to dismiss what we’ve done over ther for 6 years as easily as you do. But then, you can because you’re an American.

    Oh, and really rebtex, gays committing terror acts? Aren’t we using the term a little lossely, ya drama queen? Gays stop shopping at a Prop 8 supporter’s store and that’s terrorism?

    GIve it a rest.

  • RebTex

    Oh, and really rebtex, gays committing terror acts? Aren’t we using the term a little lossely, ya drama queen? Gays stop shopping at a Prop 8 supporter’s store and that’s terrorism?
    GIve it a rest

    It was simply your own words.
    The term is used exactly as it was intended.

  • 2Hotel9

    Oh, and dinothefakehomo, your “activists” are committing acts of terrorism. They are physically assaulting people, vandalizing private and public property, and making multiple threats of violence against people who are not even involved in the issue. That is terrorism.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    then why marry you fool?!?!? IF NOT FOR LOVE THEN WHAT?!

  • robert108

    Contrary to your bullshit, this “change” is not necessary in any way, and you have repeatedly failed to furnish even one argument to the contrary. Two people of the same sex cannot be married, no matter how many lies you tell. What homos do isn’t marriage. The people have voted against this abomination every time they have been given the opportunity.

  • 2Hotel9

    Way to funny!! dinothefakehomo toddles in and admits defeat. Fucking hi-larious!

    dinothefakehomo? The group you claim to speak for considers you an abomination. A morally vacant, soulless liar. Thats their description. I just consider you a joke.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    I do not care to change the minds of a depleting number of right winged wackos…

  • http://norseberserker.blogspot.com/ Rugby Reader

    What wonderful news that we are going to finally end the Iraq quagmire in three more years. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that our government misled US into the Iraq mess. We never should have attacked, invaded, or occupied Iraq in the first place.

  • Dino

    Once we outnumber you and change things, you can still oppose us. But you’ll look increasingly like the old southern cracker sitting in the rocking chair on the front porch complaining about “the nigras”.

    Don’t believe me? Look at how your victories are of a lesser and lesser percentage. Face it, you’re kind are dying off.

    And not a minute too soon.

  • 2Hotel9

    I love how these suckpuppets give themselves up in the end.”like i said, there are no solid reasons besides the fact that a growing number of people around the world think it’s “the right thing to do”. eventually we’ll outnumber you in church and state, and that will be the end of this discussion.

    Shit Happens”

    That is the exact same paragraph posted in at least 12 different threads in the last month. Lik?!? An IP search may be in order.

  • robert108

    if you truly believe this then you honestly disgust me.

    Excellent! Like Ann Coulter, I know when I’m making leftie heads explode, I’m doing it right; saying the truth. Truth to a leftie is like a Cross to a vampire.

  • robert108

    We? Who is this we shit?

    When we retreat, the terrorists advance. Are you just now waking up to that fact?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    the person impersonating John Locke asks:

    Isn’t John Locke dead?

  • Dino

    It just makes Rodney sound like a homo.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Dino barely audible: Declare victory? Again? Perhaps on that aircraft carrier?

    I’m sure all those children your troops killed, all those families destroyed, generations lost, are so glad you invaded their country. That’s like saying America shouldbe grateful for 9/11 because it rid them of 3000 greedy republican bond traders and demolished those ugly 70s-era office towers.

    Conservatives are similar to Islamic terrorists in one, fundamental way: they both celebrate war crimes.

    I think the people who supported this war should be forced to pay for it with any and all wealth they have as well as their SS and Medicare money

    You really need medication because a sane person would put out such drivel. Also, what you said is vile disgusting and down right nasty. It put the crap written on the Daily Kooks to shame.

    I dare you to say that crap to one of our soldiers. In fact as a veteran I find your rhetoric to be disgusting as well.

  • robert108

    “John Locke”: If we’re going to continue to veer wildly off topic here, there’s a link to an article that explains it better than I can:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/thankful_for_family.html

    If you want to continue on this subject, I suggest you go to the Reader Blogs, where an excerpt of this article has been posted.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    I was thinking so as well. :)

  • ellinas

    No comment!

  • Dino

    Nieman, when I see gay people dropping bombs on churches we can talk about comparing them to American troops in Iraq.

    Maybe post some links to this “rein of terror” being carried out by the homos. Try to stay away from sources like NewsMax or World Net Daily.

    You know, the more you people use the word “terrorist” to describe anyone you don’t agree with, the more dilutedand meaningless the word becomes.

  • robert108

    …there are no solid reasons…

    Exactly! There is no reason to destroy the real institution of marriage to suit a tiny violent minority special interest group. Even a blind squirrel…

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    but using the same logic, you can’t just say that letting them get married would case anyone harm! if anything, i think that it would add some extra revenue for some buisnesses. It’s true that it would only benefit a small majority, but it would most likely hurt an even smaller majority then that, if that! And as for an arguement for gay marriage. The only one truly available is that it’s the right thing to do. at least in the mind of those who are for it.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    I wonder if Rugby isn’t that Norwegian communist that got his ass kicked by fellow ski-troops?

    That was cool to watch.

    Norwegians were great allies.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    good idea.

  • Neiman

    why cannot they show their love by getting married?

    Love is not a legal qualification for marriage!

    you will certainly not change my opinion on this topic.

    Ah, evidence of a closed mind!

    eventually it will become legal across the US. Look, can we just agree to disagree

    Eventually adult sex with minor children might become socially acceptable and legal, but nothing on God’s earth will ever make that right. With homosexuality, it is a perversion of Natural Design and Divine Law, and so whether of a secular or religious mindset it is unnatural and nothing will ever make it right.

  • 2Hotel9

    End of discussion, civil unions are legal and legally binding. Period. You don’t like that? There are aircraft, ships, and trains leaving this hate filled, evil country every hour. Put your anti-American, anti-human asses on one of those forms of transport and let your anti-human, anti-America shadows darken our doorstep no more. Goodthefuckbye.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Oh Dude,

    We have finally found a way to disgust a fag.

    Cripes.

  • 2Hotel9

    Wow, y’all got dinothefakehomo all in a dither, got it stealing from a womens college webpage. Way to be classy.

    Long story short, dinothefakehomo supports terrorists and terrorism because it wants to do the same in America, hence its divisive and hate filled attacks on people commenting on blogs it deems as “conservative”.

    The real members of the Gay activist community see dinothefakehomo as the problem. It and its fellow travelers are driving Americans away from the Gay community and its agenda. Each time dinothefakehomo and its buttbuddies attack old women at churches and vandalize homes and businesses and destroy property they are pushing people away from supporting special rights for gays.

    Which is exactly what dinothefakehomo and other anti-Gay/Anarchist scumbags want. Balkanization. The “3rd Worlding” of America.

    John? You really should be more discriminating in who you take sides with, that knife in dinothefakehomo’s hand can be sunk into your back as easily as it sinks into the backs of Gay Rights activists.

  • Craig

    Dino,

    I personally served in Baghdad, and watched the care taken to reduce collateral damage. I do believe that most of the Iraqi’s will look back and thank America. I think it is evident in the fact that the debate in Iraq is because some in the Iraqi congress want US forces to remain longer (than 2011) to ensure no sect persecutes another.

    If you want to talk atrocities, I challenge you to look into how AQI, the MEQ, and other thugs in Iraq treated the Iraqi’s. They sell themselves as an antidote for the Americans, once in power they show their true colors, and their actions are orders of magnitude more violent and destructive than anything the US is accused of (including the false accusations), it just doesn’t make the media since it doesn’t conform to the party line.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Craig thank you for your service.

  • http://bullwinkleblog.com/ Bullwinkle

    Iraq was fine before we went there.

    – Dino, lying as usual

    Iraq’s Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves

    Since the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown in May, 270 mass graves have been reported. By mid-January, 2004, the number of confirmed sites climbed to fifty-three. Some graves hold a few dozen bodies–their arms lashed together and the bullet holes in the backs of skulls testimony to their execution. Other graves go on for hundreds of meters, densely packed with thousands of bodies.

    We’ve already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves,” said British Prime Minister Tony Blair on November 20 in London. The United Nations, the U.S. State Department, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch (HRW) all estimate that Saddam Hussein’s regime murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people. “Human Rights Watch estimates that as many as 290,000 Iraqis have been ‘disappeared’ by the Iraqi government over the past two decades,” said the group in a statement in May. “Many of these ‘disappeared’ are those whose remains are now being unearthed in mass graves all over Iraq.”

    Read the whole report here.

    Somehow I doubt that Iraq was doing just fine by any sane person’s reasoning.

    BTW, Dino, that report was written in 2004. They’ve found a lot more since the report came out.

    BTW, you’re far too stupid to be considered evil.
    Sick, twisted, pathetic, morally bankrupt, an asshole? Yes.
    Evil? No.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Combat operations end in six months.

    We’ve won this war despite people like you.

    Good call Rob, these lefties tried to surrender and yet the american will came out and we won the war.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    but you still understand my point. at least i hope you do. Homosexuals should be able to marry and have the same rights and benefits that a man and a women who marry have.

  • Dino

    Oh my god! Gay terrorists are on the loose, attacking people! They hold them down and redo their hair! Then they break into homes and redecorate!

    Yeah, you’ll get about as far with the myth of the homo-terrorists as you will with the Fannie & Freddie brought down the economy. LOL

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    Sometimes i feel i’m to old for this kind of thing…

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Win for Bush and the USA.
    I think we should declare victory.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    i wouldn’t exactly call it a “violent” group. and because it’s our human right to pursue happiness? hell, it’s in the Constitution. Of course you can’t apply that idea to everything. you can’t go and kill people because it makes you happy! But giving homosexuals the ability to marry wouldn’t hurt anyone, would it?

  • 2Hotel9

    Wait for it! Next it will tell us it is actually a lesbian.

  • Dino

    John,

    Give up. These people operate from the level of the brainstem. No cerebrum activity. It’s frustrating I know, but they don’t know any better so it’s ok. We just shouldn’t let them vote.

    G’night.

    Guide to better understanding Robbie and his friends Gman, et al.

  • robert108

    Robbie, I never see you posting any links or offering anything beyond bitter commentary.

    I tell the truth; you lie. If you think Iraq was just fine under the murderous, dictatorial reign of Saddam, you are simply insane. After you made that statement, you lost all credibility.

  • robert108

    i however believe that homosexuals should have the same right to a marriage as any other person in this country.

    There is no “right” to marry; only the right to meet the requirements for marriage. You can only be married if you meet the requirements. Children cannot be married; single people cannot be married; first cousins, mothers/sons and fathers/daughters cannot be married; two people of the same sex cannot be married.

  • Neiman

    It was ruled legal here in California. Then it was over-ruled by the measure during our last election.and i am not speaking for other states. i am speaking about California.

    Actually that is a lie!

    Historically homosexual marriage was never legal in California! Then, because liberals were making moves in that direction, California voters said it will never become legal in this state. Then a few people in black robes overturned both the historical and expressed will of the people saying it should not be made legal here. Then the people asserted their authority and said “no dammit,” we’ll make sure and make homosexual marriage remains illegal under our Constitution. So, three to zero we the people of California have said no to homosexual marriage. It has never been legal here – NEVER!

    Those homosexuals having been married here are in legal limbo, but I dare say the State Supreme Court may try and say their marriages are legal because of their former decision and if they do, then it would be hard to deny others the same privilege. In my opinion, at best the Court should say their marriages are not marriages at all and revert all of them to Civil Union status!

  • Dino

    Declare victory? Again? Perhaps on that aircraft carrier?

    I’m sure all those children your troops killed, all those families destroyed, generations lost, are so glad you invaded their country. That’s like saying America shouldbe grateful for 9/11 because it rid them of 3000 greedy republican bond traders and demolished those ugly 70s-era office towers.

    Conservatives are similar to Islamic terrorists in one, fundamental way: they both celebrate war crimes.

    I think the people who supported this war should be forced to pay for it with any and all wealth they have as well as their SS and Medicare money.

  • Neiman

    Dino: I feel so sorry for you that you have such a twisted view of history and the world. Bush was not great in many ways, but in leading the war on terror he has been an exceptional President. I noticed you failed to condemn Muslim terrorists, who were responsible for the vast majority of civilian lives in Iraq.

  • 2Hotel9

    dinothefakehomo, and suckpuppeteer, has surrendered and is now spinning out into the absurd. Nice buffalo plaid, straightboy.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    that “tiny violent minority special interest group” is your future. get used to it friends…

  • Dino

    Good one Kenny. The sanctions were also the fault of American action. Duh. Was there a point to be made by writing that? Sure didn’t support your arguement.

    There would not have been insurgent bombs if not for our invasion. We caused all that death, directly and indirectly. And now Americans won’t be safe anywhere. Witness Mumbai.

  • robert108

    I guess if a tiny violent minority group wanted to kill all the homos, that would be OK with you, then? We already vastly outnumber you, which is why you always lose on this issue at the ballot box. No matter how many young boys are recruited by homo priests, you will never outnumber us. This is why you are so desperately trying to force your agenda on us through the courts.
    I’m still waiting for an affirmative argument. What’s our incentive to grant you anything? The more you act out, the tougher it’s going to get for you.

  • 2Hotel9

    “It just makes Rodney sound like a homo.
    Dino on November 28, 2008 at 02:47 am”

    So, now our resident gayrights advocate is saying that being gay/homo is a bad thing.

    Keep spewing those lies and talking points dinothefakehomo, it clearly illustrates your ignorance and highlights your hatred for America, freedom, and human beings in general. And it is funny as hell!

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    the union of two people of the same sex is not singularaly based on “pleasure”. same can be said for any marriage. The point of any marriage is a way to show ones love for another. hopefully you can agree with that. If one man loves another man, or one women loves another women, then why cannot they show their love by getting married? Changing what you consider the “requirement” for marriage is necessary because eventually more and more people will support gay marriage. eventually it will become legal across the US. Look, can we just agree to disagree. I’m certain that i won’t convince any of you to be pro gay marriage, and you will certainly not change my opinion on this topic.

  • Neiman

    Move-Zig: I swear you are giving me more ammunition for my files on this subject, I should name it the ZIG file!

  • Neiman

    sometimes whether the people California wanted it or not, the judges said there part

    The judges defied historical precedent the the expressed will of the people at the ballot box; that is, a kryptocracy, rule by the judiciary and is itself unConstitutional.

    however [I] believe that homosexuals should have the same right to a marriage as any other person in this country. It’s going to happen eventually.

    (1) Marriage is not a right, it is a privilege granted only to qualified people and homosexuals are not qualified.
    (2) Marriage is a sacrament of the Church and it is UnConstitutional for the government to force their will on the church. Look it up, it is in the First Amendment!
    (3) Even if it does happen eventually that does not make it right. Eventually adult sex with minor children might become socially acceptable and legal, but nothing on God’s earth will ever make that right. With homosexuality, it is a perversion of Natural Design and Divine Law, and so whether of a secular or religious mindset it is unnatural and nothing will ever make it right.

    giving homosexuals the ability to marry wouldn’t hurt anyone, would it?

    In those countries allowing homosexual marriage, even heterosexual marriage has declined and that is a conerstone of civilization and we cannot remove it without destroying civilization. Just ask the Roman and Greek Empires among many, that fell from power at the same time sexual liberality and homosexuality became accepted and commonplace. This is to say nothing of a long list of reasons why homosexuality and homosexual marriage hurt everyone, even homosexuals.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    i never mentioned a ballot measure for passing it. all i said was that i was made legal here in California. How? I honestly do not know. But now it is illegal, as you all know

  • robert108

    Let’s not lose sight of the fact that our government
    misled US into the Iraq mess.

    An outright lie that has been refuted countless times. Educate yourself.

  • 2Hotel9

    Oh, and yes, Iraq is stabilizing, the elected government is responding to the will of the electorate, and Coalition forces are drawing down. No matter how much dinothefakehomo lies the facts are there, clear and undeniable.

    Muslims are standing up, and they are hunting down the scumbags that keep blowing up their women and children. The attacks in Mumbai show their desperation, they can not defeat America so they are trying to drag India into the middle of their cesspool. I don’t believe they grasp or comprehend the enormity of the mistake they have made.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Cannot is a statement as to ability.

    I don’t suggest you bet your life on that one.

    If you feel that being called a fabulist for conveniently omitting significant portions of the legislative history is unsporting, I suggest you make greater efforts with regard to factual accuracy.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Still sounding whiny bitchy to my ears.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Way more pathetic than Robert Preston’s “Toddy” and definitely without the self deprecating humor is our

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic
    obnoxious

    troll (and those are its positive traits!).

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    So what’s this?

    The Brown Dirt Cowboy, Dino, butt-munch extraordinaire, has been reborn under the guise of a respected long-dead economist?

    Will wonders never cease.

    Homosexuals should be able to marry and have the same rights and benefits that a man and a women who marry have.

    Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! NO.

    The States have long regulated, indeed licensed marriage.

    As has been pointed out, many ask, not all are granted.

    [Maybe someone can do a Dr. Seuss version of this]

    You may not marry someone too closely related by blood.

    You may not marry someone below the age of consent.

    You may not marry someone who is already married.

    You may not marry someone who has the same genitalia as you.

    You may not marry someone who is not a person (e.g. human)

    The Western concept of marriage is based on long-established religious traditions, later codified into law. But, much changed after the 30 Years War and religion and government greatly parted.

    Still, religion has long served as the underpinnings of what was considered right and wrong in society. The Judeo-Christian religions have both condemned homosexuality as wrong, and this condemnation has been reflected in our laws.

    It has been through judicial fiat that homosexuals have been gaining rights not found in the Constitution. It has been in popular referenda, that the judicial law-making has been getting rolled back.

    Certainly, the Sodomists would like to frame the question as pertaining to a civil right, a fundamental right even, but there has never been a fundamental right for sister to marry brother, a man his sheep, a woman her mule, someone to marry someone else, already married, or someone too young, nor has there historically been a right to a marriage of other than between one man and one woman.

    So while you may have a right to marry, the right to marry has historically been regulated, and remains so, even after Loving v. Virginia.

    In order to get past that gender divide, the homos will have to prove that prohibiting them to marry is discriminatory and that they deserve protected minority status, that is:
    that homosexuals comprise a discrete and insular minority, lacking in political power and share an innate or unchangeable characteristic.

    They fail on at least two counts.

    First, they have political power far outside their numbers.

    Second, there has been no Gay Gene found* and with the advent of so many former-Gays, the characteristic is neither innate nor immutable. Although the Peter-puffers are enraged not nothing else by the mere mention of former Gays and howl at any mention of treatment to cure them.

    *

    “There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles…”
    Revised APA position paper

    Note: you think this is why they want access to kiddies so badly?

  • http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

    Another Dick In Nether Orifice intelligent comment.

    What about the Gay priests raping alter boys under the guise of helping them be holier.

    The Gays have taken over parts of our culture with their agenda, and are looking for all of society to look the other way.

    Not here.

    Not on my watch.

    Get lost you fag.

  • Dino

    That’s ok John. We’ll just start a war with Iran.

    America need enemies. Since the day we became a country we’ve been at war with someone, somewhere. War is what defines America. For those brief moments when we weren’t at war with soomeone we turned our aggression inward until we could find a new one.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    i just hope that in the future we breed out idiots. atleast for the most part. we still need workers to make our burgers and such in McDonalds.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John Locke

    Well atleast we got the message that gman is anti-gay

  • ellinas

    Kinda like Flo used “Kiss my grits”.
    Pretty soon, everyone wanted their grits kissed.

    RebTex on November 29, 2008 at 01:36 pm

    If ones grits are kissable, why not plant a wet one?

  • robert108

    It was ruled legal here in California.

    Wrong! It was a semantic nit-pick of earlier legislation that was passed overwhelmingly. I guess you lefties are now trying to redefine “legal”, now.

  • Neiman

    Gay Dino:

    After voters in Florida, Arizona and California joined residents of 27 other states with constitutional protections for traditional marriage — and homosexual activists responded with terroristic threats against Christians and their churches.

    Burn their f—ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers,” wrote “World O Jeff” on the JoeMyGod blogspot after California officials declared Proposition 8 had been approved by a margin of 52 percent to 48 percent. Confirmation on voter approval of amendments in Florida and Arizona came earlier. The amendments in all three states essentially limit marriage to one man and one woman. In California, the measure states the only marriages “valid and recognized” in the state are those between one man and one woman.

    On a blog website, “Tread” wrote, “I hope the No on 8 people have a long list and long knives.

    We also bombed Churches in Europe during WW-I and WW-II, it is called collateral damage and in virtually all cases the enemy was using churches or Mosques to hide in and use as a sanctuary to hide weapons and attack our troops. In virtually every case bombings were delayed time and time again at the costs of lives of our soldiers out of respect for the people and their religious faith, but permitted only to defend American and/or allied lives and these decisions, with much resistance and reluctance were approved.

    You have an upside down, twisted view or reality!

  • robert108

    Iraq was fine before we went there.

    “Dino” has just proven that he is insane.

  • http://www.myspace.com/johnlocke220 John

    Dino, do you still think that wise? aren’t we stretching ourselves a little thin as it is. i’m more worried about a direct attack on our nation right now to be honest with you. We may have to be thinking a bit more close to home sooner then later.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Personally, I don’t believe there were that many mass graves and the ones that were real I have not heard why they were there. Lots of propaganda out there particularly from America and Britian. Say, have they ever found those drones capable of hitting London within 45 minutes? How about all those chemical weapons? And what about that vial of horrible toxic material {read “baby [powder”} that Colin Powell was swinging around tesitfying before Congress to freak out people like you? Oh yeah, Saddam shipped all that shit to Syria and we didn’t notice. We just have the most sophisticated surveillance in the world so that if a camel farts in Iraq we knew about it. But oh yeah, they shipped it underground. Do you see where this is going? You people always have an answer.
    The propaganda machine was working overtime back then. Every time you hear the numbers they rise. Soon you’ll be hearing that Saddam killed 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of his own people!!!
    You know what propaganda is, right? Isn’t that what McCain’s campaign was based on, cough cough, bill ayers, socialism, barak hussein obama, reverend wright?
    I’m sure Saddam Hussein (OH MY GOD! He has the same last name as our new President’s middle!) wasn’t a sweet man but that doesn’t absolve us of our part in wrongdoing. I’ll bet the millions displaced and the tens of thousands dead would have preferred life as it was.
    The funniest part of thise whole line of debate is a bunch of conservatives trying to convince anyone they invaded Iraq to help dark people- MUSLIMS!- on the other side of the world! I mean, you people HATE to help people in your own backyard! Why would we believe you care about downtrodden Iraqis?
    Because you don’t.
    Dino on November 28, 2008 at 02:14 am

    This guy is the definition of a moon bat in my book? Anyone else think so?

  • robert108

    Oh yeah, you were responding to me despite your
    not caring what I post.

    I guess you can’t read, either, idiot. I said we don’t care what you think. When you post your lies, we smack you with the truth.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Come now

    Debauched
    insipid
    nihilistic
    obnoxious troll,

    Don’t be such a whiney bitch.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    So, now our resident gayrights advocate is saying that being gay/homo is a bad thing.

    It’s only bad if you’re a conservative gay person. Can’t have the gays wondering off the liberal plantation.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    What wonderful news that we are going to finally end the Iraq quagmire in three more years.

    Combat operations end in six months.

    We’ve won this ware despite people like you.

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