Welfare For Voters: Is Universal Voter Registration The Solution To Voter Registration Fraud?

I certainly think that one way to stop voter registration fraud is to stop letting third-party interests, who typically have vested interests in how elections turn out, register voters. But I’m not sure that universal voter registration is a good idea.

The nation’s much-maligned election system passed a major test last week when more than 132 million Americans — a record — cast ballots with few reports of problems.
But now, election reformers are calling for a move toward a “universal voter registration” system, in which the government takes the lead in ensuring that all eligible citizens are registered to vote.
“This means the registration process would no longer serve as a barrier to the right to vote,” said Wendy R. Weiser, a lawyer for the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University. “It would also eliminate the ACORN issue and all the gaming of the system.”
In the United States, unlike other major democracies, citizens, not the government, are responsible for seeing to it that they are registered to vote. And when people move, even if across town, they must update their registration, usually with a local office.

This sounds about as dumb as mandatory voting.
I think that everyone should be allowed to vote, but I don’t think we should be forcing people to vote. If a given voter can’t be bothered to get down to the polling place on election day, or fill out an absentee ballot, then the chances are he/she hasn’t bothered to get informed about the candidates and issues on the ballot. Meaning that requiring that person vote is basically inviting random stupidity into the ballot box.
By the same token, citizens who can’t even be bothered to register themselves to vote probably shouldn’t be voting either. Voting is a freedom that all Americans of appropriate age enjoy, but as with all freedom it comes with responsibilities. That responsibility should not be shifted onto the government.

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  • http://vdvfamily.com/ Sphagnum

    Puzzle you are confusing two things.

    1) This post references an opinion that the government should go out and register every citizen to be eligible to vote. Rob does not support his, as he said.

    2) Rob’s comments are of the opinion that those who wish to go out and register THEMSELVES to vote should do so at some form of a government office. Rob obviously supports this as he made the comments.

    The first point involves the government registering voters and the second involves voters registering themselves directly with a government official. The two are VERY different and it is in no way contradictory to oppose the former and support the latter?

    Clear now?

  • jvftz

    “We make it easy to own a firearm but want to make it difficult to register voters since it is a responsibility.”

    Hmm. Maybe, just maybe it could be because the Constitution actually mentions “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” and NOWHERE mentions a “right to vote.”

    Our rights do NOT come from the Constitution, but from God. Thus, a right of the people does not have to mentioned in the Constitution in order to be a real right.

    Nevertheless, the federal government is specifically forbidden by the Constitution to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, while the federal government is NOT delegated any authority, by the Constitution, over the states’ management of the voting process, except in the Nineteenth Amendment, which has to do only with denial of the franchise on account of sex.

    Thus, there is nothing anomalous about the “ease” (hah!) of getting a gun, and the “difficulty” (hah!) of registering to vote.

  • ollie-B

    In the United States, unlike other major democracies, citizens, not the government, are responsible for seeing to it that they are registered to vote. And when people move, even if across town, they must update their registration, usually with a local office

    So what’s the impact on citizens in other major democracies?

  • jvftz

    IIRC, voting is mandatory in Germany (natch) and most other European countries. And a lot of good it does them.

    The vote should be exercised ONLY by married men, in their first marriage, with children only from that marriage. This would eliminate voting by men looking for subsidies for sleeping around and siring bastards, or voting by women who want the government to act as a substitute for a husband.

    Before women had the vote, government consumed about ten percent of the GDP. In the states that gave women the vote before the 19th Amendment, government spending began to climb. Once the 19th Amendment was passed, government spending in the rest of the states, and by the federal government, began to climb.

    FAMILIES should have the vote, not individuals. And the way to ensure that is to allow only the HEADS of families to vote.

    This would also reinforce the truth that the FAMILY is a natural institution, not just an arrangement that some people happen to prefer. And the truth that the STATE is the creature of FAMILIES, not the other way around.

    Of course, “gay marriage” is just the latest cause of the fanatics who worship the State–the latest tactic designed to abolish the FAMILY once and for all.

  • 2Hotel9

    First, you have to have a history around here of being “ironical”, then people will realize when you are using irony. Till then, you will be taken at face value.

    Again, one more once, if you are too lazy and/or stupid to register yourself you are not fit to vote in the first place. And no, I am not being ironic.

  • Puzzlefeet

    Rob writes now that he isn’t sure about universal voter registration but just a few short days ago, he was advocating just that, a government run universal voter registration system:

    Rob posted this on November 1:

    To that end, my friend and I came up with a strategy for foolproof elections. Here are the bullet points:

    No voting machines. They’re expensive, they’re insecure and they just confuse people. The only things a voter needs to cast a ballot is a pen, a piece of paper and a secure box to place that paper once voting is done.
    No more early voting. You vote on election day unless you vote by absentee ballot.
    Election day is a federal holiday.
    We increase the number of available polling places, double the number of polling staff and pay everyone involved in the elections one heck of a lot more than they’re making now.

    All voter registrations are done by government officials. No more ACORN or any other group registering voters. If you want to register to vote you do it at a government office.

    Wow, Rob calls himself dumb.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Puzzlefeet, work on your reading comprehension. There is nothing here that suggests in any way or form universal registration.

  • http://vdvfamily.com/ Sphagnum

    Personally, I think registering to vote should be reasonably feasible at best. Things like: Month(s) long waiting periods between registering and voting; providing absolute prove you are a resident at the point of registration; proof you are who registered at point of voting; having to physically go to a polling place to vote. Each restriction is debatable I suppose, but having certain steps in place before you can vote ensures both the integrity of election day and also increases the likelihood of an informed electorate. Both things are absolutely essential to the survival of a democracy.

  • 2Hotel9

    If you are too lazy and stupid to go and register yourself you damned well are to stupid and lazy to vote. Period.

  • Puzzlefeet

    I don’t believe that part of that responsibility is finding a way to get to a government office to register. It shouldn’t be difficult to register. We make it easy to own a firearm but want to make it difficult to register voters since it is a responsibility. Sorry, don’t buy it.

  • di butler

    I still say voting shouldn’t be so easy. I think this disenfranchised business is total bs. I also think if you require someone to take a basic knowledge test to become a citizen, that everyone should be required to take a basic government test to vote. Why should it be so easy? If it is important to you, you will make the effort. Same thing for all that early voting crap. Funny how for many decades people managed to get themselves to the polls on one day, if they were so motivated. Then you’ve got people registering who live on park benches. What a load. People can get off their lazy asses to go register for unemployment and food stamps because it’s important to them, so they can make the effort for voting.

  • jvftz

    The purpose of ACORN is to jam the system and bring it down. They are not engaged in traditional ballot-box stuffing only.

    ACORN could have been shut down years ago because of their Brownshirt terror tactics, and voter fraud. But the authorities have been afraid to do anything because ACORN has the backing of the Democratic Party.

    Funny–Barack Obama has been involved in the financial crisis from the very beginning, from the street level to the White House–from the Brownshirt terrorizing of banks, to lawsuits against banks, all the way to his appointments of cronies who have become multimillionaires by cooking the books at Fannie and Freddie.

    Obama hasn’t even moved into the White House, but his administration is ALREADY the most corrupt in American history.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    We make it easy to own a firearm

    Easy? Would that be the FBI background check or the California 15 day waiting period?

  • Puzzlefeet

    The last line of Rob’s post is this:

    By the same token, citizens who can’t even be bothered to register themselves to vote probably shouldn’t be voting either. Voting is a freedom that all Americans of appropriate age enjoy, but as with all freedom it comes with responsibilities. That responsibility should not be shifted onto the government.

    He wrote on November 1:

    All voter registrations are done by government officials. No more ACORN or any other group registering voters. If you want to register to vote you do it at a government office.

    I think it’s pretty clear he said two totally different things. And he called himself dumb.

  • 2Hotel9

    “Why would anyone insist on having a secret ballot, unless he wanted to vote for the wrong candidate?” And another communistic/socialist fuck is heard from. Fuck you.

  • jvftz

    Why would anyone insist on having a secret ballot, unless he wanted to vote for the wrong candidate?

  • http://vdvfamily.com/ Sphagnum

    Puzzle, Rob didn’t say anywhere in there anything about having everyone registered to vote. He said, in your highlighted part, that you must register with some sort of government official and not through a 3rd party like ACORN. The onus is still on the voter to get themselves registered. That’s the entire point of this post.

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

    It’s the libs way of securing elections for a time to come…

    This WILL happen…. So what’s next? Mandatory reporting to vote?

    Why not require a picture ID to cast a ballot? Which citizen could that possibly offend, except those who are ineligible to vote anyway? There’s the answer why picture ID will be difficult to get enacted….

    If people don’t have the inclination to register to vote, chances are they are doing us all a favor by not voting.

  • jvftz

    2Hotel9 :

    I’ll try to remember–irony is wasted on some people.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I agree, Spaghetti.

    I don’t think we need registering to vote to be needlessly difficult, but clearly there needs to be more to the process than there is now.

    Liberals are always concerned about everyone, even people who can’t be bothered to get off their duffs and get themselves registered, getting to vote. But how about responsible people not having their votes canceled out by someone voting twice, or votes from people who don’t exist at all?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I don’t believe that part of that responsibility is finding a way to get to a government office to register. It shouldn’t be difficult to register.

    Leave it to a liberal to define a quick trip down to a local court house or other government office as “difficult.”

    Give me a break.

    As for guying a firearm, why should I have to drive all the way down to the store to buy it? Why should I have to fill out federal paperwork?

    I should be able to sit at home and have some bureaucrat bring me the paperwork to fill out. And your tax dollars should pay for it Puzzled.

    Because that would be fair.

    Oh, and still waiting for you to apologize for not being able to read correctly.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Puzzled, there’s a difference between having to go down to a government office and register yourself and having some government bureaucrat come around and make sure you’re registered.

    Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, I know, but do try to follow along.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Puzzled gets it, but she’s not about to admit she made a mistake or anything.

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