Welcome To Socialism: Obama Will Use Bailouts As Leverage To Dictate Executive Pay, Bonuses

Forget that these companies are in the private sector, and that the government has no more business dictating compensation than it has business dictating product prices. The public is outrageously outraged about these bailed out companies paying big bonuses and salaries and so Obama is going to do something about it.

President Obama vowed to try to stop the faltering insurance giant American International Group from paying out hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses to executives, as the administration scrambled to avert a populist backlash against banks and Wall Street that could complicate Mr. Obama’s economic recovery agenda.
“In the last six months, A.I.G. has received substantial sums from the U.S. Treasury,” Mr. Obama said. He added that he had asked Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner “to use that leverage and pursue every single legal avenue to block these bonuses and make the American taxpayers whole.”
In strongly-worded remarks delivered in the White House East Room before small business owners, Mr. Obama called A.I.G. “a corporation that finds itself in financial distress due to recklessness and greed.”
“Under these circumstances, it’s hard to understand how derivative traders at A.I.G. warranted any bonuses, much less $165 million in extra pay,” Mr. Obama said. “How do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?”

There are two things going on here. First, the bailouts are a flop. They’re not working and the public is angry about them. So in order to deflect that anger from the people who supported giving these companies our tax dollars (Obama and our other political leaders) they focus on demonizing the companies that are misspending the money. And they deserve demonizing, but they never could have spent the money if the politicians hadn’t given it to them in the first place.
Second, this is a power grab. Now that these companies that took the bailouts and “stimulus” money are on the hook, Obama and the other big government types are going to use the money as leverage to enact more government control. In this instance, to control wages.
Obama isn’t saving the economy. He’s expanding and consolidating the government’s power over the economy.

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  • http://Array robert108

    Mike: Using the bailouts as “leverage”, especially by a factor of a thousand, is economic fascism. If Obama had just purchased AIG and had fired all the private citizens and replaced them with govt drones, it would be socialism.

  • PopnFresh

    Obama isn’t saving the economy. He’s expanding and consolidating the government’s power over the economy.

    Right you are and a good sign in that Obama & co can make headway to show the taxpayer they have a conscience wherein the previous 8 years it was oblivious. It’s now over to Wall St’s to recover and save the economy. By calling out AIG and the surreal bailout bonus is to take a tip from the E-trade Baby & his clown: “I really underestimated the creepiness”

    Youtube’s take on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nay4VbUJl3E

  • Bat One

    These executives are non performing executives. I am certain their contracts are designed to have incorporated performance.

    H,

    And if your opinion mattered you might have a point. It doesn’t… and you don’t.

    And according to the MSNBC article cited earlier today, officials at the Treasury Department, who presumably HAVE seen the employment agreements in question, have agreed with the conclusions of both AIG and the outside counsel.

    Nice try, though!

  • robert108

    The only ones who should be giving back any money are the politicians who paid the “bailouts”. They are the ones who owe the taxpayers. In fact, the taxpayers should get back every penny, with interest, we have paid for all the failed govt programs, starting with the trillions wasted in the failed “war on poverty”. There’s a long list.

  • MikeAdamson

    How to address the specific issue of these bonuses? Black et al say

    Firstly, the US trustees in charge of the firm must immediately instruct the corporate treasurer to make no payments of any bonuses. They also need to order him to issue stop payment orders on any checks that fly out the door at the last minute, as with Merrill Lynch. Then the trustees need to split off the derivatives unit from the rest of the firm and separately incorporate it. This step leaves AIG’s other businesses free to operate as usual. If the recipients of the bonuses refuse to waive them, then the derivatives unit should at once be thrown into bankruptcy, terminating all obligations to pay them.

    There’s certainly lots of bigger fish to fry but this seems to make sense on this specific point.

  • sayanything-5371

    This AIG business really has me baffled. The two questions that came to my mind while reading the news accounts yesterday were why the AIG execs continue to push the envelope and why the government seems so reluctant to pursue the fraud angle.

    I read the other day that AIG insures the pension fund for congress. The majority party in congress is the democrats. Therefor the democrats are guilty of allowing this to happen. Any outrage from congress is just posturing. They are feathering their beds and will keep stealing money from the taxpayers as long as they get theirs.

  • robert108

    108, by your own definition you are a liar.

    Another lie from you, little ribby. Got any facts, logic or cause and effect reasoning of your own? All I see is weak personal attack and parroting from you.
    I know you crave attention, but this is getting ridiculous.

  • robert108

    It’s not and quit trying to hijack the thread.

    It is: read up on Hitler’s control of the German munitions corps in WWII.

    I was correcting the title, which claims it’s socialism, when it’s really fascism. No hijack, Mike, and you are wrong on the facts.

  • Hannitized

    You’re certain? You’ve read the contracts?

    Do you know what the word certain means? I didn’t use it in the way you think you understand the meaning.

    cer⋅tain   [sur-tn] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1. free from doubt or reservation; confident; sure: I am certain he will come.

    I don’t have any doubts that executives are required to perform at their jobs in order to receive their bonuses. Do you?

  • Buzz

    The only ones who should be giving back any money are the politicians who paid the “bailouts”. They are the ones who owe the taxpayers. In fact, the taxpayers should get back every penny, with interest,

    You will, the interest is coming in already. But a dipshit like you knows nothing but what Rush says, so continue in your own little world. Every time you post you show how stupid, and uninformed you are.

  • robert108

    Like a typical leftie, you confuse meddling to seize power as “conscience”.

  • Mickey

    It’s not Obama’s fault. The teleprompter made him to do it.

  • Bat One

    Despite Buzz’s dreary disparagement, and H’s indifferent snark, the fact remains that everyone who has seen and read those employment agreements agrees that by the terms of those agreements the bonuses have to be paid.

    Let me reiterate an earlier point. If instead of bailouts, firms like AIG… and General Motors… were allowed to file for Chapter 11 protection first the question of these bonuses would not have arisen. As it is, those bonuses are apparently as legitimate a claim on the company as the ConEd electric bill.

  • MikeAdamson

    Fascism is the control of private business by the govt, especially large corporations.

    It’s not and quit trying to hijack the thread.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    So predictable that the cons would be outraged over this. You people WORSHIP the wealthy like fucking slaves. It’s disgusting.

    When AIG took that money and sold 80% of itself to the federal government they became EMPLOYEES and now those EMPLOYEES don’t get bonuses. If we had let them FAIL they wouldn’t have gotten SHIT.

    What is wrong with you people?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    And you are by your own definition, a liar.

  • Bat One

    Incidentally, I’ve read in several places that AIG boss Ed Liddy is paid $1 per year. So who is getting those “bonuses” and how many individuals is that money purportedly being handed out to, anyway?

  • MikeAdamson

    What word do you like to use to describe what he’s doing?

    Is “ballsing-up” a word? Seriously, the government invested money in AIG which was surely preferable to loaning or giving money away since a successful restructuring of AIG would then end up costing taxpayers less in the long run. That this government has chosen not to live up to the responsibility that comes with ownership doesn’t mean that the idea was wrong, just that this government apparently wasn’t up to the task of doing it right. I’m sure there are those who believe that Obama really wants to control corporate America and ultimately own it to boot but then there are also people who believe that the moon landing was faked, that the 911 attack was an inside job, that Queen Elizabeth sells drugs, etc. I can’t account for wingnut theories nor those who hold them…all I can do is appreciate them for the entertainment value they provide.

    I think that Obama, Geithner, et al have been trying to buy AIG, Goldman, Citi and others some space and time to correct their problems while holding out hope that should they right their ships then the financial system will heal itself. I think their strategy is futile dithering and the sooner they wake up to this the sooner they can get on with the job.

    As for fascism…when you define it to mean government control of corporate enterprises then any governmental investment a la AIG is fascism. That’s silly of course for reasons clearly stated in the link I gave you…of course you’re wrong. If you wanted to claim that investing in AIG is a step towards fascism then you’d be on more solid ground although it would still be laughable IMO.

    Hope that helps.

  • robert108

    Fascism is the control of private business by the govt, especially large corporations.
    Thanks for illustrating your profound ignorance and dishonesty again, little ribby.

    “Leverage” is the right word here; the bonuses that fascist Obama is squealing about are only a thousandth of the amount of the money Obama gave to this company to buy control of it.

    One billion=a thousand million.

    The bonuses are 165 million; the “bailout” was about 173 billion.

    Again, for ignorant little ribby: socialism is when the State owns the means of production; fascism is when the State controls the means of production.
    Obama is using our money to gain control of AIG, so he can set salaries, bonuses, etc. It’s fascism.

  • Buzz

    As usual the lazy business men have to have a bonus to do their jobs. They have no problem completely fucking up their job, losing their business billions of dollars and then taking millions in bonus. How pathetic, they should be thankful that they have a job. Without the bailout they would be seeking mortgage protection from the government. This is good that the shareholders get to see where their dividends are going, straight into the pockets of the managers. They should do the right thing and resign, without the bonus.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    These executives are non performing executives.

    If Barney Frank is serious about “not rewarding incompetence”, he can start by declining to take his own Congressional salary and urge every one of his colleagues who participated in giving away tax dollars with no strings attached to do the same!

  • Bat One

    I would not want to be them.

    Fear not! No one is going to mistake you for a Wall Street financial hotshot anytime soon!

    Meanwhile, have you got an authoritative source to share who’s seen those employment agreements and concludes that they can be voided based on Obama’s say-so or purported public opinion?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    108, by your own definition you are a liar.

  • Buzz

    Next time you make a mistake, you resign from the job and give back every penny paid up to that point.

    It is in our contract that if we are delinquent in our job we have to redo it on our own time. We don’t get a bonus for screwing up. And neither should they.

    Of course when you are a master craftsman like myself, praise and admiration is the response to a job well done.

  • robert108

    Obama is trying to engineer a fascist takeover of our economy.

  • MikeAdamson

    What statute gives those “trustees” authority to abrogate the employment agreements?

    I have no idea but settling legal differences is what courts are for. I think what Black is saying is that the public needn’t be satisfied with statements made by AIG and Treasury officials that the bonuses can’t be canceled…if he’s not saying that then I certainly am.

    Is there case law supporting standing of public opinion in the matter?

    I wouldn’t think so. Do you know if case law exists to support honouring employment agreements when a party to the agreement fails to satisfy the conditions of the agreement?

    So, you approve of Obama’s fascist takeover of AIG, and all that comes from that action?

    As I see and understand the issue generally, there were and are basically three options available…bankruptcy, managed winding down, or buying time in the hope that the situation would resolve on its own. Given AIG’s place in the financial world, I would have chosen the second option and favoured the first over the third.

  • Hannitized

    Perform their jobs well, i should have said.

  • robert108

    Ron: The crooks that destroyed parts of our economy are in DC, some of their names are Carter, Clinton, Dodd, Raines and Frank.

  • robert108

    If the government is giving money to a company don’t you think that company has an obligation to act responsibly with those funds?

    The govt has irresponsibly given our money to loser businesses; why should those loser businesses have any greater responsibility than the govt has demonstrated?
    I want my money back from the irresponsible govt.

    If you want those businesses to get the consequences of their actions, get govt out of the way, and let market forces do their job.

  • SigFan

    While not crazy about the execs at AIG or any other company getting a bonus from bailout money, I am more concerned with government inserting themselves even further into the compensation practices of private industry. Once this precedent is established, who will stop them when they want to then dictate to other industries and companies what they may or may not pay an individual? Further, regardless of what anyone thinks of these execs, what do we actually know about those granted bonuses. AIG and many of these companies are huge, with multiple groups, P&L centers and so on. It’s quite possible that the people being rewarded are those that actually ran their organizations properly, in which case they deserve what was promised to them in compensation. Does anyone think it would be good to piss people off that are your top performers by reneging on promised compensation? You might get away with it for a time, but ultimately those people will move on to better opportunities – because they can!

  • Ron

    The bonus payout excesses at AIG are just the tip of the iceberg of what is happening with the other Wall Street bailouts including Bank of America. Working productive Americans are bailing out the same crooks that destroyed our economy along with 45% of the wealth in the world and now the American taxpayers and our children will be forced to live a far lower standard of living with reduced prosperity and opportunities due to this but only we pay the price.

    Washington has bailed out the banks, Wall Street & their Washington special interests and much of the cost is added to the national debt to by paid by this and future generations while real estate and investments continue to fall. Find out what a growing repudiate the debt movement could mean for treasuries, the dollar, gold and the stock market and how this is a better alternative than Washington’s plans to monetize the debt in future years and tax and destroy our remaining wealth by depreciating the dollar.

    The Campaign to Cancel the Washington National Debt By 12/21/2012 Constitutional Amendment is starting now in the U.S. See: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=67594690498&ref=ts

  • Bat One

    The majority of Americans reject the idea of bonuses for these execs at AIG.

    H,

    Even if that is the case, majority opinion is still irrelevant to the question of whether or not the bonuses are to be paid. If in fact, a legally binding contract requires those payments, then there is not much else Obama, or the public, can do about it.

    As noted earlier, there is a a procedure by which contracts, including employment agreements, can be abrogated. Its called bankruptcy. That step aside, Obama can plead and Geithner can whine all they want, but Liddy’s position is still the one which must ultimately prevail.

  • robert108

    Mike: Obama is using taxpayer money to buy control of businesses and markets; I know he ultimately wants to own them, but he’s just wanting to control them right now. You can play word games(I know you like to do that), but it’s just plain old economic fascism.

    What word do you like to use to describe what he’s doing?

  • robert108

    Little ribby: My comments have content; yours are strictly parroting and attack, which are solely to draw attention to you.
    I don’t expect you to be sharp enough to understand the difference.
    Again, you obsess about my comment count.

  • Hannitized

    Any craftsman who calls himself a master craftsman generally isn’t, or is in front of cameras doing a show. It’s like calling yourself a master author. You end up sounding like Garth Marenghi.

    I think you are full of it.

    Our engineer is an HP Master SAN Architect, and he calls himself that because it is a certified accreditation.

    I doubt it differs much.

  • docdave

    Are some executives overpaid? Maybe but we can say the same about union workers and government employees. The big diffrence is that the private industry executives are accountable for the successful operation of their company and they can loose their jobs for non-performance which is more than can be said about either government employees or union workers.

  • robert108

    You will, the interest is coming in already.

    Pure, ignorant leftie bullshit. The Obama administration continues to steal large quantities of our money.

    Of course when you are a master craftsman like myself…

    I doubt the “craftsman” part, but there is no doubt that you are a master baiter, “Buzz”.

  • MikeAdamson

    But unless you an I have actually seen those employment agreements, and the criteria that they spell out for the award of those “bonuses”, as well as the details of each employee’s performance relative to the criteria, then none of us is in a position to knowledgeably address the issue of whether or not those “bonuses” should be paid.

    Agreed…which is why I’m not as quick to accept AIG’s and Treasury’s interpretation of the agreements. There may well be no way around paying the bonuses…the bonuses have actually mostly been paid if you aceept what the former AIG VP says in today’s WSJ. Still, if you read the pieces I linked earlier you might be more willing to admit that it’s not necessary to take AIG and Treasury opinion as the final word on the matter.

    r108…read up on fascism here if you’re interested. The term is a popular political buzzword but, as a concept, it is very complex and not as easily and accurately applied as some propose.

  • docdave

    Fuck off h. Go drown yourself in the surf. Take your garbage posts and shit them somewhere else. They wouldn’t even make good fertilizer.

  • Bat One

    Firstly, the US trustees in charge of the firm must immediately instruct the corporate treasurer to make no payments of any bonuses. They also need to order him to issue stop payment orders on any checks that fly out the door…

    Odd that Associate Professor Black somehow couldn’t be bothered to offer a legal authority for taking the actions he suggests. What statute gives those “trustees” authority to abrogate the employment agreements? Is there precedent for doing so on the whim of a newly installed and hapless president? Is there case law supporting standing of public opinion in the matter?

    The very fact that Black publishes in HuffPo illustrates clearly that his suggestions amount to preaching to the choir, and little more.

  • Hannitized

    Even if that is the case, majority opinion is still irrelevant to the question of whether or not the bonuses are to be paid. If in fact, a legally binding contract requires those payments, then there is not much else Obama, or the public, can do about it.

    I see what you are saying, but you are failing to smell the bologna in the sandwich which you have offered.

    These executives are non performing executives. I am certain their contracts are designed to have incorporated performance.

    Nice try though.

  • http://Iamanidiot.com/ Dare you to post this

    If the government is giving money to a company don’t you think that company has an obligation to act responsibly with those funds?

    You morons don’t even know the real meaning of the word socialism. Yea, you all did a fine job with the economy didn’t you?

  • Bat One

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  • Hannitized

    Are some executives overpaid? Maybe but we can say the same about union workers and government employees

    We can say that about ANYBODY….including yourself, moron.

    Your anecdote does not address the issue at all. Which executives who failed at AIG have lost their jobs?

    Of the executives that are being paid, how many of them are not responsible for making the bad decisions that could have collapsed the American financial system if we allowed AIG to fail?

    Do you even have the faintest idea of what you are talking about?

    Of course you don’t.

    How ridiculous. Comparing 30.00 an hour employees compared to failed execs who are getting multi-million dollar bonuses is completely asinine.

  • Jax

    AIG = Allowing Irreversible Greed.
    AIG = All in Greed.
    AIG = Arn’t I Greedy.
    AIG = A$#holes, in general.

    This is sick. Why in the world are we helping these companies that keep sending millions to people who do not know how to run a company? They cry yet get paid millions on the “average joes” taxes. Furthermore, I fear this is just the tip of the iceberg. Look what Enterprise rent-a-car did to get bailout funds:

    http://www.butasforme.com/2009/02/25/alert-enterprise-rent-a-car-may-have-fired-employees-as-fake-evidence-when-lobbing-for-bailout-money/

    Not to make excuses for these people, but the bailouts are making crooks out of everyone that touches the money.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    robert108
    29296 comments

    I know you crave attention, but this is getting ridiculous.

  • Hannitized

    Unless Obama is asking companies to curtail Executives bonuses who aren’t accepting bailout money, you have no argument.

    There is nothing wrong with Obama requesting or trying to prevent/reduce executive bonuses in this instance. The majority of Americans reject the idea of bonuses for these execs at AIG.

  • Max

    Good point, he is trying to leverage the government money they gave to companies to get a hand in the financial sector. This could be either a good or a bad thing though because obviously what has been happening for decades isn’t working. For more on the AIG bonuses,http://www.newsy.com/videos/bailouts_and_bonuses_for_aig/

  • Jeff

    Do you really think the stimulus plan will work. I have some doubts, and am certain in the long term will raise the debt level as well raise the likelihood of huge inflationary pressure later on. I was looking the other day, at a site,
    http://www.recessioninfocenter.com
    where it was showing the cyclicality in the economy. Maybe we should just let the cycle take its course. Just my 2 cents.

  • MikeAdamson

    This AIG business really has me baffled. The two questions that came to my mind while reading the news accounts yesterday were why the AIG execs continue to push the envelope and why the government seems so reluctant to pursue the fraud angle. Bat One is characteristically on point when he points out that bankruptcy would have precluded this development but I find it hard to believe that, given everything we know and/or suspect about AIG’s business practices, the failure to force bankruptcy on AIG has permitted the firm to basically do whatever it wants.

    Professor William Black is attracting a lot of buzz from comments he made yesterday. Black was involved in the investigation of the S&L debacle and I think he’s making the right points and asking the right questions.

    I get the sense that Obama’s team had better get out in front of this issue if its desire for change is genuine. Hand wringing over the failure to impose bankruptcy or the opinions of some Treasury lawyers sounds like the old boys club protecting its interest to me.

  • Bat One

    Do you know if case law exists to support honouring employment agreements when a party to the agreement fails to satisfy the conditions of the agreement?

    Mike,

    There are undoubtedly plenty of such, and I assume this is the direction to be taken by NY AG Andrew Cuomo. But unless you an I have actually seen those employment agreements, and the criteria that they spell out for the award of those “bonuses”, as well as the details of each employee’s performance relative to the criteria, then none of us is in a position to knowledgeably address the issue of whether or not those “bonuses” should be paid.

    Incidentally, I’ve put the word in quotes because it is my understanding that most such employment agreements on Wall Street are three years in term, and are structured with a base salary and substantial “bonus” payments, often spread out over a period of time. It seems to me that if this is standard procedure in the industry, then the use of the word “bonus” here is dissimilar to how it is used in other industries or how it is perceived by the general public… including finance illiterate politicians, from the White House on down the food chain.

  • mickvancoff

    Americans seem to scream socialism at every turn. They bailed out this company, there’s nothing wrong with getting them to stop stop blowing public money on bonuses and bloated salaries. These people should be lucky to still have jobs, not further rewarded for doing an abysmal job.

    mick

  • Bat One

    You end up sounding like Garth Marenghi.

    Or Tim the Toolman.

  • MikeAdamson

    B1…Liddy’s letter to Geithner justifying the payments is linked here, and “a white paper explaining the legal justification for it (AIGFP Employee Retention Plan — PDF).” I haven’t been through them but I understand that your question is answered therein.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    …Obama’s fascist takeover of AIG…

    robert108 on March 17, 2009 at 06:58 am

    A statement is a lie if it’s not true… If you make a statement without knowing it’s true, and it isn’t true, you have lied.

    robert108 on December 14, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    SEPTEMBER 17, 2008

    The U.S. government seized control of American International Group Inc. — one of the world’s biggest insurers — in an $85 billion deal that signaled the intensity of its concerns about the danger a collapse could pose to the financial system.

    …As part of the deal, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson insisted that AIG’s chief executive, Robert Willumstad, step aside. Mr. Paulson personally told Mr. Willumstad the news in a phone call on Tuesday, according to a person familiar with the call.

    …President George W. Bush was briefed on the rescue Tuesday afternoon during a meeting of the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets.

    Nice start for your continuing Days of Lies Campaign, 108.

  • Buzz

    were allowed to file for Chapter 11 protection first

    Making the stock worthless. Boy, that will really do wonders for wall street. What a moron.

  • Hannitized

    DocDave says:

    Fuck off h. Go drown yourself in the surf. Take your garbage posts and shit them somewhere else. They wouldn’t even make good fertilizer.

    I like it when your comments are reduced to this. It is much more fitting.

  • carrick

    That’s not to say that the public interest would not be served if there were more accountability in how executive’s pays & bonuses are getting set.

    It’s a conundrum, because on the one hand the general stockholders are in no position to judge what is fair and equitable pay, and certainly not people as far removed from reality as politicians in Washington.

    On the other hand, allowing executives (who serve on each others boards) to set the pay is a bit like letting the wolves guard the sheep.

  • robert108

    Mike: So, you approve of Obama’s fascist takeover of AIG, and all that comes from that action?

  • Hannitized

    Despite Buzz’s dreary disparagement, and H’s indifferent snark, the fact remains that everyone who has seen and read those employment agreements agrees that by the terms of those agreements the bonuses have to be paid.

    Yeah, well, we will see what is deemed to be legal and binding. Further, we will see who will be let go for their bad performance and what repercussions that has on their contracts.

    I think it’s a bit premature to make definitive conclusions.

    Further, what legal considerations are there when the bonuses are coming from the American Taxpayer? There will be blood when the names of the executives are released.

    I would not want to be them.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Tell you what Buzz. Next time you make a mistake, you resign from the job and give back every penny paid up to that point.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    If the government is giving money to a company don’t you think that company has an obligation to act responsibly with those funds?

    The question isn’t whether the companies are spending the money responsibly. The question is why did we give them the money to begin with?

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Buzz:

    Of course when you are a master craftsman like myself, praise and admiration is the response to a job well done.

    Thank you for that laugh Buzz.

    Any craftsman who calls himself a master craftsman generally isn’t, or is in front of cameras doing a show. It’s like calling yourself a master author. You end up sounding like Garth Marenghi.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Exactly right sig. Let’s worry less about the bonuses and more]bout what the government is doing.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You’re certain? You’ve read the contracts?

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