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Isn’t it called something else now? Climate change or something to that effect?

next week they’ll start calling it “man made the weather is different in the winter than in the summer.”

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

“global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.”

Their absurdity is bordering on retarded, scratch that, they are retarded. When I say I’m a billionaire, what I’m actually saying is that I make more than a dollar a year, but less than a million, and that the term “billionaire” is some social construct used to obfuscate the state of the Earth, er, I mean my financial status. WTF.

“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

The shift in definition has already taken hold. Now any weather that is unpleasant is a problem, and they want to tax everyone because of it. Taxes. That and massive reductions in industry and agricultural production are the goals of the environazi movement.

Just look at the squealing and crying over how ethanol production is A. effecting the environment and B. driving up the cost of food in 3rd world countries. Two points I made about ethanol a couple of years ago. Now the envirowacks and advocates for the “poor” are wailing&gnashing teeth over it, just as I said they would.

It is not about the planet or saving people. It is about centralized control of all aspects of human activity. And that was such a ringing success in the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact, Lets do it EVERYWHERE!

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

The collectivists have made the shift but that doesn’t mean the public has bought into it.

We need to use the global warming/climate change shift as often as we can to illustrate that they’ve got the same agenda even when their facts are proven wrong.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Even if 2007 turns out to be a colder than usual year, that does not mean that the global warming trend is over.  Regardless of the outcome of 2007, this decade will remain the warmest decade worldwide since temperature records have been kept, by a wide margin.  Here are the numbers.

My brother-in-law, the dairy farmer, says he’s selling the farm and moving to Florida because a) he’s tired of freezing his ass off all winter, and b) Gore said it’s going to get warmer, which to my brother-in-law is a sure sign it’s going to get colder.  In scientific terms, I believe this is as significant as the hockey stick, and worthy of mention.

ugh, I’m not even sure where to begin here.  My goal here is not to spark the global warming debate, but rather to point out that this person’s editorial is complete garbage.
First, lets start with the South American cold spell and the deaths in Peru.  That couldn’t have ANYTHING to do with the La Nina thats currently in effect now could it? Climate has alot of different influences, you can’t isolate one of them and expect to explain the entire system.
Now, the recent coldspells in our own country.  The cold spells in the Northern Plains we’ve experienced recently can also be attributed to La Nina (and was correctly predicted by the Climate Prediction Center).  As far as the crop damage in California and South Carolina, a single frost event does not mean anything. weather and climate are NOT the same thing. This entire article is about as asinine as it gets.  It is equivalent to Al Gore trying to blame an isolated heat wave on global warming.

Regardless of the outcome of 2007, this decade will remain the warmest decade worldwide since temperature records have been kept,

I’ve been spending hours and hours studying the warming trends over the last couple years.  You know what’s really weird?  Temperatures are always warmer when you’re on the top of a warming trend then when you’re in a cool cycle.

Freaky!

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

It is equivalent to Al Gore trying to blame an isolated heat wave on global warming.

True, but continued cold spells would suggest that we aren’t getting warmer.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Pilgrim,

If he’s right - and I believe he is because he’s obviously done his homework

That sounds very rational.  But are you also able to admit that people who believe in Global Warming have ALSO done their homework?  Or, do you simply believe they are loose cannons who never bothered to look into the science?

Also, do you believe that some people believe Global Warming is occurring but it has NOTHING to do with humans?  If so, how do you respond to those people?  You can’t very well put out a hit piece on them, because they also believe in Global Warming and it doesnt sound like the particular version Al Gore is feeding.

In other words, it will be very hard for you, im sure, to part from your hatred of Al Gore and instead put an intelligent response together.

Will, I’ve posted on this recently.  Here are the numbers for the last decade, for three diffferent data sources.

I tend the regard the satellite as the “best” simply because it doesn’t have the sampling problems inherent in ground-based measures, and because the entire surface is being measured using the same (rather bullet-proof) technology.

In any case, while it’s true on a decade scale that 2007 is the warmest since we’ve been collecting temperature data on a global scale, it’s also true that the temperature hasn’t exactly been rocketing upwards for the last decade.  For whatever that means.

Bubba,

You are right on the mark!  Nice job.

I don’t think that there’s much doubt that we’re in a warm spell like the many that have been seen in the past. 

The global warming activists continually show the temperature trend from the depths of the little ice age to now. 

That’s designed to give us a false impression that it’s man causing it when the Earth has this ability to warm up and cool itself all by itself. 

I was watching the discover channel the other night and they let slip that we were a lot warmer three thousand years ago. 

Ooops.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

One thing about Carricks graph.  Those three lines are supposedly trying to measure the same thing.  They can’t all be right.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Hannatized:

That sounds very rational.  But are you also able to admit that people who believe in Global Warming have ALSO done their homework?  Or, do you simply believe they are loose cannons who never bothered to look into the science?

I think that most individuals, even scientists, haven’t looked at it very carefully.  So I wouldn’t agree that most of them have done their homework.

Otherwise, you’d hear a lot fewer comparisons of 1850 (when we were returning naturally out of a 400 year ice age) to current, when the established science says that human-generated global warming didn’t start until 1980.

bubba, I think you were trying to say “climate is not weather”.  I agree that the article makes rather meaningless comparisons in that regards…  He’s looking at extreme instances of weather (to be fair, playing the same game the GW advocates do) and attributing it to climate.

That said, news flash: El Nino/La Nina are part of global climatology.  You can’t say “the Earth is cooling because of mechanism X and therefore it’s really warming because of mechanism Y”.  That’s just nonsense.  It is cooling (slightly) over the last decade, and that’s just a fact of our current climate.

Had there been a big El Nino event, I would expect many GW advocates to be trying to point the finger to GW, not to natural cycles.  Oh yeah.  They did (see Gavin’s comment on the 1998 El Nino event on realclimate.org).

In other words, it will be very hard for you, im sure, to part from your hatred of Al Gore and instead put an intelligent response together.

H,

I think your characterization of the “hatred of Al Gore” is exactly the sort of small-minded belligerence that you seem to be objecting to.  To note that Mr. Gore, in his current role de Etat is curiously more reminiscent of Elmer Gantry than Mahatma Ghandi is not hate so much as skepticism.  If your definition of an “intelligent response” is limited one with which you agree, you might just as well be talking to the mirror as to anyone else.

It seems to me that the entire discussion of “global Warming” ought to revolve around 3 basic questions:

1.  Is the earth actually becoming warmer?

2.  If it is, what has caused this to occur?  Are there several causes or just one primary cause?

3.  Is there anything we can or should do about it?

Those who run about like Chicken Littles with checkbooks (usually drawn against other peoples’ prosperity) are no more helpful to any sort of serious investigation and discussion, than those who continually point to Mr. Gore’s tenuous past relationship with the truth.  It is possible, after all, for Al Gore to be right once in a while.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

3.Is there anything we can or should do about it?

The answer to this is question is the same whether you believe in man-induced global warming or not.  We need to develop alternative energy sources.  This is a win-win for both sides of the argument.  If you believe in global warming, obviously decreased emissions would help curb it.  If you don’t believe in it, well how could you argue that ending our dependence on a very finite supply of foreign oil is a bad thing?

No, it means we continue to develop domestic sources of oil.  Not buying from the Arabs won’t mean the Chinese won’t be buying it.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

Gorbal warming is about lining the pockets of Al Gore and creating another big government Taxation program to encourage and push Socialism in the USA. Weather has been changing since the beginning of time. People are not going away any time soon. It is my belief that within the next 10 to 20 years we all will be using alternative forms of energy and we will be less reliant upon foreign oil. AND the pollution that many believe is causing “Global"warming” will PROVE or NOT prove their theories. Meanwhile let’s not create another Big Gov. program until we are sure. We don’t need the Fed. Government to dictate to us anymore than they already do. We all can decide for ourselves what is best for us… Isn’t that what Freedom is about?

Here are my opinions to Bat One’s questions:

1.  Is the earth actually becoming warmer? Absolutely.  Don’t see a mile-thick slab of ice over Chicago, do we?  On a shorter time scale, it’s been increasing in temperature since 1850.

2.  If it is, what has caused this to occur?  Are there several causes or just one primary cause?I don’t think this has an ambiguous answer.  We can definitely say that just including anthropogenic forcings cannot explain most of the observed variations. Anthropogenic forcings are important only since about 1980, and may account for 30% to 100% of the warming since then (I think that’s an accurate statement of the range of the effect; in my opinion, it’s on the lower end of the range, not the upper).

3.  Is there anything we can or should do about it?The real question should be what we shouldn’t do about it.  We shouldn’t lie about the magnitude of the problem to force more immediate or more drastic action (*cough* Al Gore).  We shouldn’t use global warming as a means to address “social inequality” (*cough* Al Gore).

We should press forward on research for better alternative energy sources.  We should improve our ability to monitor our effects on the environment.  We should continue to work on models of global climatology, including human forcing, so that maybe one day we can do real science.  Right now in my opinion, we have poor quality data, even worse quality analysis of those data , and absolutely untrustworthy models.

There are better reasons than the threat of global warming to go away from petroleum-based energy sources, by the way.  The carbohydrates released by gas-burning cars has a major environmental and health impact.  We need to leave the crapped-up mess of arguments made by global warming advocates in the garbage can as it deserves, and go onto more important issues.  Such as addressing poverty in third world nations and its causes.  Poverty kills millions every year and has been quietly ignored by GW advocates as unimportant compared to a problem like sea level rise, that may become a real problem in about 1000 years (that’s the correct time scale).

Likewise…Presently 65% of the CONUS is covered with snow and ice. If this is considered global warming I would hate to see global cooling. Al Gore needs to report to the nearest hospital for a urinenalysis to see what he is smoking? Also it is amazing how many dumb-asses believe this GW crap and send Gore and these bogus groups/organizations thousands of dollars to plant trees in the desert. Duh!

Such as addressing poverty in third world nations and its causes.

The causes are well-known, IMO: very uneven distribution of capital, due to totalitarian govts, planned economies which restrict economic growth and lack of personal, economic, political and religious freedom.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Maybe the left and some others who do not think logically will be influenced by this “personal interest story” of actual people freezing in South America!  Or is that continent not as important as another one that begins with an “A”?!

Communism is evil

Bat,  I am looking to a rational, reasonable argument.  Try me!

It seems to me that the entire discussion of “global Warming” ought to revolve around 3 basic questions:

1.  Is the earth actually becoming warmer?

2.  If it is, what has caused this to occur?  Are there several causes or just one primary cause?

3.  Is there anything we can or should do about it?

Those who run about like Chicken Littles with checkbooks (usually drawn against other peoples’ prosperity) are no more helpful to any sort of serious investigation and discussion, than those who continually point to Mr. Gore’s tenuous past relationship with the truth.  It is possible, after all, for Al Gore to be right once in a while.

I would agree with those three questions, however, it is not as if it is unreasonable to work on reducing our carbon emissions.  We are currently behind other countries and pollution, whether you think it effects our climate or not, has a negative effect on the earth.  I care not about ones profit margin if they are polluting my water in the process.

What I was getting at is, this post doesn’t address the fact that others believe Global Warming is occurring, naturally and so the attack is directed at Al Gore and those who believe them and not the others.  Why?

Hannitized:  It is naive to put too much stock in what world leaders say about the UN.

Bat, please do not be arrogant enough to tell me when I should, or shouldn’t believe my President, because you think he is lying to me! 

If you wan’t to believe he was lying, that is YOUR choice.  It is far from naive to believe he was being honest about what the UN was designed to do and how proud he was of the organization.  There was no reason to lie or add how proud he was, if he wasn’t.  Be reasonable!

It is possible he had some concerns about how effective it was, yes, but unless you can provide some evidence to support your IDEA, I would recommend picking another argument.

They all routinely praise its ‘dependability and trustworthiness’ and then turn right around and bash the UN if it threatens their national sovereignty.

I completely disagree.  Maybe Bush Jr. did that.  But unless you can provide evidence of all the others (Clinton, Carter) saying such things, you’re full of it.

Sorry, wrong thread.  I had two windows open.  Bone-headed move.

Don’t worry, happened to me more than once.

1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.

All this hysteria makes me think that the human race is having a mass anxiety attack.

The Y2K virus was just a pre test. And now even more lemmings are running towards the cliff. If the bird flu ever pops up you better watch out because the doomers will be unbearable.