What pisses me off about this award is the ‘affirmative action’ element of the award. Forget that he hasn’t accomplished anything resembling peace and just give the guy the award for being the first black president to be elected who eloquently speaks of peace. There are plenty of black Americans who have actual accomplishments worthy of celebration and public notariaty. This award is slap in the face. We are Americans, all of us, whether black, brown, yellow, or white. We accomplish whatever we set our hands and mind to and there are plenty of examples to point to without resorting to this sort of pathetic political patronizing.

“There is no doubt that some of the anger is fueled by racial feeling, which is not the same as saying that all opposition to Obama is explained by racism.”

If liberalism is NOT what I have said, then you’ll have to explain why individual achievement in America’s free market has far surpassed that of any liberal/socialist economy in the entir world. Not only so, but none even come close to competing with America. Liberalism IS a tremendous hinderence to individual achievement as well as pathetically inferior to freedom and free markets, and this is proven in the American experiment.

I doubt the ability of individuals to accomplish whatever they desire and work toward.

Yeah, most liberals do. That is one thing that distinguishes liberals from conservatives.

And lastly, HG, what you are suggesting (and also ignoring) is that you are saying Obama didn’t deserve the credit that was given to him. Granted, the credit came in form of a Nobel Peace Prize, but I am guessing those people are sending a strong message, and took it upon themselves to jeopardize the legitimacy of that award, for future nominees, in order to send a strong message to America, that we were on the wrong track that was not about spreading global peace.

You can disagree with them, but to say he got the award because he is black is just stupid.

“In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or get preferential treatment.”

-Wikipedia

So racism is present when a student gets preferential treatment based on race, ie. gets admitted ahead of a more qualified student of another race.

Hope that helps H.

Hahaha. HG, using the word boy doesn’t make your racism any less obvious, trust me.

You said this award was based on affirmative action, and that is saying Obama couldn’t have achieved this without being black and with merit.

That’s racism friend.

‘What pisses me off about this award is the ‘affirmative action’ element of the award.” – HG

And then one wonders why racial matters are mentioned in this article.

HG is too stupid to know he is endorsing the article Rob is refuting.

Classic.

You guys just keep getting stupider and stupider.

There is much more to America’s success than natural resouces and cheap labor. Without the profit motive of a free market, and the ingenuity liberty inspires we would no doubt be no better off than any other nation burdened with government interference and limited access to resources.

Yeah, most liberals do. That is one thing that distinguishes liberals from conservatives.

The thought that people do for themselves and that government shouldn’t have to give them what they, the government, thinks they, the people, want.

The thought that people can reach and some times achieve the goals they have.

It used to be the main thought with immigrants that came to the US. Some it worked out for, some it did not.

E, your analogy is flawed though. People have the ability to achieve realistic dreams, but they never know just how far and just what they can achieve until they try. If it is given to them by the government, like the nobel prize, it would be given for nothing. This in turn, I believe, creates a dependency or lack of trying since it will be just given to you.

As for affirmative action, I believe it had its time where it was needed – now, it is no longer needed or warranted.

Mexico, even with its rotting infrastructure, is our third largest supplier of oil.
Your elementary school geography book is misleading, as are you.
Again, pathological liar, the success of the US is due to our superior economic system, not the possession of natural resources.

Your original claim was that the US is richer due to its natural resources, and that is simply a lie, like everything else you say here.

America would have elected Denzel Washington. Will Smith or Chris Rock if that was the case.

“elected him because he’s black and a celebrity.”

E,

Hurdles exist. That doesn’t mean they can’t be overcome. You live in that world if you wish. I’ll keep living mine along with millions of other Americans.

You can do or be whatever you have the desire and determination to do or be. It’s rarely easy, but it is never without reward. “There is no progress without a struggle”.

Those whose connections or politics make for an easy path to success are the ones getting cheated. They rarely remain on top.

Now if you broaden your horizon a bit you’d see that there are many more opportunities to succeed other than climing a corporate ladder, and failure is merely a step on the road to success.

To many people give up to quickly when faced with failure. Excuses like “connections” are common among these folks. A defeated attitude never achieves anything. Don’t let anyone tell you what you cannot do and don’t let other’s success or ease of success discourage you. Emulate the majority of achiever’s hard work, persistence, and desire. This behavior is always profitable.

“Glad to see you agree affirmative action is racism.”

HG, i said racial, not racism.

But what is it that causes you to assume a Black man can not achieve things with out it being tied to affirmative action?

Answer: Racism.

You can’t even keep up man.

E, I have no desire to be a President who seizes control of a private company. Therefore, I will not set my hands or mind to it.

And cause I could resist a little bit more….

Obama was caught up into Heaven and met St. Peter. Obama noticed clocks on the wall Obama asked Saint Peter What the clocks meant. The one was on 1 o’clock The second was on 2 o’clock. St,Peter said these clocks keep track of how often People lie in their life. The 1 o’clock was mother Teresa’s clock she only lied 1 time in her life, The 2 o’clock was Abraham Lincoln’s Clock He only lied twice in his life. Oh, said Obama, well where is my clock at ? St. Peter, Replied God has it in His Office, He is using it as a ceiling Fan.

Obama, McCain and All Hillary Die And Go To Heaven
John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama all die and go to heaven. God looks down from his throne and asks McCain, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?”

McCain takes a breath and then replies, “Well, I think so because I was a great leader and tried to follow the words in your great book.” God looks down and then says, “You can sit to my left side.”

So, McCain takes his seat and then God asks the same question to Hillary, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?” Hillary thinks for a second and then replies, “I think so because I have been fighting for the rights of so many people for so long.” God again looks down and this time says, “You can sit to my right side.”

Finally God turns to Barack Obama and asks, “Do you think you deserve to be in heaven?”
Obama smiled and replied, “I think you’re in my seat.”

Q: Why are there so few real Barack Obama jokes?
A: Most of them are true stories.

ALL politicians should be made fun of…this includes the ONE also.

Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

-Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. 2009-03-16. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

There, I sourced it for you. It is also the same definition cited on Wikipedia I sourced in my comments.

Jesse Jackson speaks about Obama’s Nobel Prize

Some say with surprise
Obama how’d he
get a Peace Prize?

They say how could he have won?
With all his accomplishments
he aint done

Some say the Nobel committee gave him a present
For voting in the U.S. Senate
130 times present
But just in case you missed it
All his accomplishments
I will now list it
.
How about that bling,
He got that
from a Saudi King
.
Often he would score
In a basketball game
15 points or more

Or what about all the Community organizing he has done
Teaching inner city kids being chased by gangs
how to run

The Nobel committee Obama they did choose
Look at Bush
all he ever got was a pair of shoes

Somewhere out there is a man, or woman, perhaps the head of a group of people, who are doing something really worthwhile. That group could have been awarded the prize. But no, to make a silly statement, the home of my forefathers, to it’s shame, has wasted those funds and that honor, on someone who , in my opinion, is unworthy. All is not lost though. President Obama could select a worthy group and donate those monies to them. What are the odds that he will do that, without obvious cronyism that is? Slim and none I’d say.

There is no new foreign policy, he has made a few nonsensical apology speeches to a bunch of people who still hate this country.

” I am of the opinion that his historic election as the first black president played a role in the decision to award him this prize. I don’t think it a stretch in the least to say Obama’s race played a role in this decision. ”

And your opinion endorses this story Rob trying to present as being out of line. Yet, you introduce racial matters where they are not warranted.

Why you do this is debatable. Some would call it racism, others might call it ….who knows.

But you would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know that Obama was largely elected for being anti Bush policy, and for his foreign policy views. The award was given as an endorsement of his views, and approach and the new tone he HAS set.

The new tone he HAS set, is an achievement. Is it worthy of the award? That is another issue. But your outlook is as bad as any, and shameful to boot.

“When a black college student gains admission to a college in the place of a higher achieving student of a different race, that’s affirmative action. That’s racism.”

Then you don’t know what racism is.

Lets see if what you said is true or not.
I say it is not.

I have no doubt in the ability of individuals to accomplish whatever they desire and work towards.

H,

You’re clueless, boy. Given my comments on this thread it is clear that I am of the persuasion that anyone can accomplish anything regardless of skin color. Try and keep up H.

Those racist late night comedians finally have something they can sink their teeth in to…

“President Obama said he will go to Oslo, Norway to collect the award. Roman Polanski said, ‘It’s a trick — don’t go; you’ll be arrested.’” –Jay Leno [Now THIS was funny...lol]

“That’s pretty amazing, Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize. Ironically, his biggest accomplishment as president so far: winning the Nobel Peace Prize.” –Jay Leno

“President Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize comes with $1.4 million in cash. Or as Fox News reported it, ‘Obama Caught Taking Bribe from Swedish Government.’” –Conan O’Brien

“The Nobel committee said he won for creating a new climate for international politics. which sounds so much nicer than ‘In your face George Bush you cowboy a**hole.’” –Bill Maher

“Obama said he will attend the ceremony in Oslo if he’s not too busy with the two wars he’s conducting.” –Bill Maher

“A day after declaring war on the moon, President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.” –Jimmy Kimmel

“Vice President Biden was awarded the Nobel Hair-Piece Prize.” –Jimmy Kimmel

“Along with his trophy, the president will receive $1.4 million in prize money . . . so say hello to a whole new closet of mom jeans everybody.” –Jimmy Kimmel

“President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. The committee said they gave it to Obama partly for his idealism and commitment to global cooperation, but mostly for calling Kanye West a jackass.” –Conan O’Brien

“The Nobel committee said they wanted to recognize the president’s fine work in bringing peace to a black professor and a white cop through the strategic use of beer.” –Jay Leno

“Along with the Nobel Peace Prize, President Obama also gets $1.4 million. Usually to get a check that big, you need to blackmail David Letterman.” –Jimmy Fallon

“In a surprise decision, President Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Friday. In other premature awards this week: high school football player Billy Reynolds has been named this year’s Heisman Trophy winner; fifth grader Amber Collins has been named Miss America; and nine-year-old Dylan Holt has been named People’s ‘Sexiest Man Alive.’” –Seth Meyers

Not to be outdone by the professional comedians, here’s the official reaction from the State Department:

“From our standpoint, you know, we think that this gives us a sense of momentum … when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes.” –State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley

E,

Not interested. I’m doing exactly what I desire to. I’m happy in my profession. I love the time I have to spend with my family.

If it is no big deal why do you need to try to discredit the Nobel prize and the recipient?

Nobel Prize has shifted far from what it was meant for – this only proves it even more. There is nothing to discredit, he won the award for accomplishing nothing, it was given to him for political reasons (another slap at bush) and their weak reasoning is the HOPE that he will do something unique – again, which the Nobel Prize is not meant for the possibilities, but for the real accomplishments of the individual.

There is nothing to discredit, the Nobel committee have made this once nobel Nobel Prize a joke and this is not the first occasion, just one that blatantly shows they are playing politics with the award.

HG, Many years ago, an old beggar/panhandler asked me for some spare change.
I told him: One can accomplish whatever he sets his hands and mind to do. This is America after all. Why haven’t you tried to better your lot?
He replied: Young man, it was not lack of trying, it was lack of connections.
Similarly, 30 years ago, my neighbor said he would one day become the top administrator of the sewer plant where he started working. He set his hands and mind to it. Proper education in scatology (science of handling shit), management,accounting etc.
Result? 30 years later he is still a shit stirrer.
When I asked him recently what happened to his dream he told me: it was not lack of trying, it was lack of connections.

Onslaught, At that point, I had no job to offer the fellow. But I did direct him to the nearest employment office. I also knew my employer was seeking qualified persons, and I gave him the address.
No I did not take it upon myself to become this fellows personal employment agent, as I was not qualified for such a job.
No, I did not just give him a buck, pat him on the head and say have a nice day, reinforcing the the notion he already had that looking for hand outs will give him just enough to get by with the minimum amount of effort.

Hopefully I answered all your questions. If not, or you still have some please feel free to ask.

Even one not challenged by the rest is too many.

Washington Post: Pat Robertson is a religious nutcase.
Washington Post: The cold weather this week in the northeast is because America is racist.

Washington Post, those f**king secular sons-of-bitches with their godless retribution…

Sanity, nothing could be further from the truth.
I do not believe in government dependency, I expect that the government will spend wisely what it takes from us.
Thus it is imperative for the citizenry to be informed, and weed out from the government, the wasters and the useless.
My ancient ancestors used to say: “We all have a common fate (death). The future though is invisible”

You are so utterly clueless about me and my fellow travelers.
My liberalism has not hindered me in any way. It has enabled me to achieve beyond my dreams.
Never asked you to “fix” me, as there is nothing wrong with me.

So you’re saying Obama wasn’t given a pass on vetting because of his skin color?

Give me a break.

Its you liberals who want people treated differently based on skin color. I want everyone treated the same

Glad you liked my detailed answers to your questions. If you have any more I’ll be glad to answer.

Yours is a very common explation offered by conservatives when asked to set your hands and mind into becoming anything you want.

Yours is a very common explanation offered by conservatives when asked to set your hands and mind into becoming anything you want.

Robert180 12 hours ago:
“Mexico has as many or more natural resources than does the US, but is saddled with a corrupt socialist system, and so remains poor. Our free enterprise system is the best system yet devised”.

After he was shown that he was either mistaken or being less than truthful about natural resources he proceeds with this tirade and more untruths:

robert180 5 hours ago:
“Mexico, even with its rotting infrastructure, is our third largest supplier of oil.
Your elementary school geography book is misleading, as are you.
Again, pathological liar, the success of the US is due to our superior economic system, not the possession of natural resources.

Your original claim was that the US is richer due to its natural resources, and that is simply a lie, like everything else you say here.”

Either back up your claim that Mexico has more natural resources than the USA or stay in the sidelines and let adults talk.

So you foisted him off on some third party so you could go on with your life?

What if the agency you sent him to fails him? Are you willing to live out the remainder of your life knowing that the next time you pass his way again he’ll still be there looking for a hand out?

No, that doesn’t sound like a true caring and compassionate attitude to me. In fact it almost sounds as though you would be wiling to receive accolades for your intentions rather than for any actual accomplishments, and I for one can’t bring myself to be that pessimistic about you.

Maybe, just maybe, the next time you encounter this poor unfortunate soul, you’ll be willing to share some of that “connections” without which man would never have descended the trees.

HG said: “We accomplish whatever we set our hands and mind to and there are plenty of examples to point to without resorting to this sort of pathetic political patronizing”.

Set your hands and mind into becoming president and CEO of Ford Motors.
Let me know how far you get.

Well H, the definiition was linked by me not provided by me.

But hell, if you such an authority on racism try spelling it out. So far you’ve done nothing but offer meaningless excuses for prefering a black student over a student of another race simply because the student is black. Now that sure as hell isn’t merit based. So what would you call it if not racism? It is a racial preference no matter how you slice it.

And upon that point you obliged this fellow with a job did you not? or failing that you connected him with a person that you knew who had a spare lob to hand out or failing that you took it upon yourself to become this fellows personal employment agent or failing that… or did you just give him a buck pat him on the head and say have a nice day, reinforcing the the notion he already had that looking for hand outs will give him just enough to get by with the minimum amount of effort.

If it is no big deal why do you need to try to discredit the Nobel prize and the recipient?

this is good goodat all

HG, Of course hurdles exist, and there is no progress without a struggle.
My motto in life is: “Courage is needed. He who dares wins”.
I used the corporate ladder as an example.
As far as connections go, they always help.
Obama set his mind to become POTUS. I very much doubt he would have accomplished his goal without “connections.”

I doubt the ability of individuals to accomplish whatever they desire and work toward.
Since you cannot become the president and CEO of Ford Motors, how about CFO of Hewlett Packard.
Or General Counsel of Comcast communications.