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Tuesday, March 18, 2008


Washington Post Editorial: Will Tibet Bring Down China?

My first reaction was to snort and say, yeah, right.

The Chinese have Tibet in the grip of an iron fist and will be as ruthless - even more ruthless - than they were in putting down the uprising in Tiananmen Square in 1989. Let’s see - angry monks against tanks and soldiers with no moral issues with firing into crowds. Hmmmm. Tibet - backwards and timid, won’t have a chance.

But then I read the rest of Anne Applebaum’s column and she brings up some interesting points. One of which, by the way, is an obvious one - we didn’t think the Soviet Union would crumble as fast as it did, either. She also makes a comparison with Czarist Russia and others that fell apart because of the rebellion their own citizens and, in some cases, of “client” nations:

Cellphone photographs and videos from Tibet, blurry and amateurish, are circulating on the Internet. Some show clouds of tear gas; others, burning buildings and shops; still others, monks in purple robes, riot police and confusion. Watching them, it is impossible not to remember the cellphone videos and photographs sent out from burning Rangoon only six months ago. Last year Burma, this year Tibet. Next year, will YouTube feature shops burning in Xinjiang, home of China’s Uighur minority? Or riot police rounding up refugees along the Chinese-North Korean border?

That covert cellphones have become the most important means of transmitting news from certain parts of East Asia is no accident. Lhasa, Rangoon, Xinjiang and North Korea are all places dominated, directly or indirectly, by the same media-shy, publicity-sensitive Chinese regime. Though we don’t usually think of it that way, China is in fact a vast, anachronistic, territorial empire, within which one dominant ethnic group, the Han Chinese, rules a host of reluctant “captive nations.” To keep the peace, the Chinese use methods not so different from those once used by Austria-Hungary or czarist Russia: political manipulation, repression by secret police and military force.

But then, modern China bears surprising resemblances to the empires of the past in many other ways, too. Like its Soviet imperial predecessor, for example, China encompasses both an “inner” empire, of which Tibet and Xinjiang are the most prominent components, as well as an “outer” empire, consisting most notably of its Burmese and North Korean clients. Like its French and British predecessors, the Chinese empire must wrestle constantly with nations whose languages, religions and customs differ sharply from those of the imperial power and whose behavior is therefore unpredictable. And like all of its predecessors, the Chinese imperial class cares deeply about the pacification of the imperial periphery, more so than one might think.

Interesting article. Click over and read the whole thing.

Of course, it could be wishful thinking on the part of the author - and me. But then, once upon a time we all wished the Soviet Union would just go away.

And it did.

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Comments

Correction:  “The Chinese communists have Tibet in the grip of an iron fist and will be as ruthless - even more ruthless - than they were in putting down the uprising in Tiananmen Square in 1989.”  Funny how some people gloss over the fact that China is a communist state and in many ways more ruthless than the Soviet Union was.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on March 18, 2008 at 05:25 am

Correction accepted, Chief…..thamks.


The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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Pilgrim on March 18, 2008 at 05:33 am

Pilgrim.  No problem, Not sure why, but sometime around the 1970s CHICOMS became a dirty word in what has begun a long list of PC.  I refuse to bow down to liberals who act so….  silly, but then turn around and gloss over millions of truly innocent people who are killed by these maniacs, drunk on power.  FREE TIBET !!!  Where are the liberals when you need them most!  Hiding behind the “green zones” and looking in rose colored glasses.  You’re welcome, my friend.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on March 18, 2008 at 05:43 am
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Hey Chief. I got my “Free Tibet” bumpersticker and I am ‘aware’ of Tibet. That’s about the extent of American involvement that is allowed any more.

At least we’re not promising to help them and pulling the rug out from under them as we did in Vietnam and are trying to do in Iraq.

Bumperstickers and hand wringing. That’s what America is reduced to.

John D on March 18, 2008 at 07:13 am
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I’m a Chinese and I seriously not agree with what your opinion and what presented here. This is an internal affair of a country. Just imagine if a state of US is going to fight for named “independence”and got support from your opposition. What will your people react! Please respect the history choice!

Natalie on March 21, 2008 at 09:37 am
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China released new reports today that they believe the tibet riot is an organized action

John on March 24, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Natalie - Please respect the history choice!

Please respect our freedom of speech. We will continue to comment on your ill-forsaken country until it is no more.

likwidshoe on March 24, 2008 at 11:12 pm
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Pilgrim: Have you been to China? What do you know about China and its history, culture and people? If I, a Chinese girl, have received one-sided propoganda, then you are not luckier than me, I bet. But I’m surely luky than you that I grew up in the country and I get known about the West Values you treasured at the same time. I don’t want to say something like “internal affairs”, but I do sincerely believe that the conclusion you write down when you are not sure about the country, is a rushed or imaginary one. I hope you could go personally to China, live in Chinese and think again about your words about the country.
Actually, you are allowed to imagine as much as you like, which as you said is freedom of expression. What ever you said wouldn’t change China’s development at all. It is nothing to be worried since I’m sure China heads toward economic developed, freedom and democracy and the party leaders are determined and committed to a better China. To write the party, foget the name of party, whatever communist or democratic or republic, they are just parties but nothing more.
However, I still suggest you go and get known about the country, given so much readers your articles to reach. You should at least try to be impartial and logical as much as you could when you write down your words.
China, which sufferred so much in the hundred year humiliation, just recovered a little. She is so tender and falters a lot when fumbling out of plight. But she is surely rising up while posing nothing fearful toward the rest of the world. We have no interest in lands other than the territory we have lived for thousands of years.

Susie on March 29, 2008 at 07:33 pm
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Zhao Ziyang and Hu Yaobang were Chinese Communist party leaders who wanted freedom for all citizens of China-including the Tibetans, and the people who demonstrated in Tianenmen Square and who were killed or jailed for it. They were kicked out of their leadership roles by the hardliners, kept incommunicado, and placed under house arrest for the remainder of their lives.

The Olympic torch was lit recently in China, but it isn’t the torch the Chinese people wanted. Their torch was held aloft by their statue of the Goddess of Liberty, the one that they built. That torch was torn down, and the people were attacked and killed or jailed by the “People’s” army in Tiananmen square in 1989.

Young adults in China today know nothing of this, because the Chinese government propaganda machine has vilified the hundred thousand patriots who demonstrated for freedom that day, and dismissed them as a few anti-social hooligans. This process is, of course, taking place today in China, only it is currently directed against the Tibetan demonstrators and the Dalai Lama. If the Tiananmen Square demonstrators had been successful in reforming the Chinese government, I doubt if there would have been the demonstrations in Tibet, because the people of Tibet would probably have had far fewer grievances.

You can see a photo of the “Goddess of Liberty” and read about the Tiananmen Square massacre on Wikipedia- just Google: Wikipedia Tiananmen Square Massacre

Now the Chinese government, run by the very same people who conducted the Tiananmen Square Massacre and then lied about it, asks us to believe that the pacifistic Buddhist monks of Tibet are preparing to become suicide bombers.

I see that Hu Jintao has been swotting up on Mein Kampf by Adolph Hitler, with particular attention to “The Big Lie.” Read all about it by Googling: Wikipedia the big lie .

Tim Dunn on April 2, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Tim, I hope you have references to what you’re saying. This is a blog, not a niche for propaganda.

Instant Noodle on April 6, 2008 at 09:01 pm
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My problem is what kind person Dalai Lama really is.  You can hardly find anything good about Tibet or him before 1950, the history reality.  Main stream media usually skips or are very brief on this matter.  He may appear to be a “nice” person now, talking about freedom and human rights but numerous articles proved otherwise historically.  Yes, human can change, but would you let your young daughter under a convicted sex offender because you believe he has changed?

Jones on May 15, 2008 at 09:46 am
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On the question of when was the happiest moment after the peaceful liberation of Tibet 50 years ago, over 90 percent of the respondents said the moment that millions of slaves smashed the fetters of serf system and slaves became master of their own house.

Anderson on June 18, 2008 at 08:34 am

Susie - ...while posing nothing fearful toward the rest of the world.

The Japanese would disagree with that.

We have no interest in lands other than the territory we have lived for thousands of years.

Your “we” is a bit broad.

There’s the matter of Taiwan and Tibet, both of which want freedom from the oppressive Chinese government.

Your “we” does not include those two areas.

likwidshoe on June 18, 2008 at 11:25 am

On the question of when was the happiest moment after the peaceful liberation of Tibet 50 years ago, over 90 percent of the respondents said the moment that millions of slaves smashed the fetters of serf system and slaves became master of their own house.

Why did this “liberation” require the massacre of so many Tibetans?  Weren’t they happy to be “freed from slavery”?  I guess not.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on June 18, 2008 at 12:15 pm
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Promote freedom for the Chinese:
http://www.cafepress.com/Philosufism/6337638

Frank Medwick on January 5, 2009 at 09:24 pm
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