Washington State Gun Ban Gives Law Enforcement Permission To Search Your Home Without A Warrant

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Well, they clearly don’t care much for the 2nd amendment, so why would we expect them to care about the 4th amendment?

“They always say, we’ll never go house to house to take your guns away. But then you see this, and you have to wonder.”

That’s no gun-rights absolutist talking, but Lance Palmer, a Seattle trial lawyer and self-described liberal who brought the troubling Senate Bill 5737 to my attention. It’s the long-awaited assault-weapons ban, introduced last week by three Seattle Democrats.

Responding to the Newtown school massacre, the bill would ban the sale of semi-automatic weapons that use detachable ammunition magazines. Clips that contain more than 10 rounds would be illegal.

But then, with respect to the thousands of weapons like that already owned by Washington residents, the bill says this:

“In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall … safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”

In other words, come into homes without a warrant to poke around. Failure to comply could get you up to a year in jail.

So, the price of owning an “assault weapon” in Washington is opening your home to an annual, warrantless “inspection” from law enforcement agents. You either submit and give up your privacy, or you give up your guns. Or you take your chances owning your guns illegally.

But remember, the anti-gun people don’t like it when you call them gun grabbers. And, to be fair, they aren’t grabbing your guns. They’re just implementing policy which makes owning them really, really hard.

Update: The legislation has been amended to remove the provision allowing for warrantless home searches.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    From the linked article:

    (Note to readers: The link above is to a new version of SB 5737, which no longer contains the disputed provision…)

  • SusanBeehler

    Sounds like property tax assessment, except it is gun assessment.

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      The real question is whether or not our host will correct his entirely false and intentionally misinformed headline.

      • SusanBeehler

        He is media and the title is quite inflammatory, let’s rile them up, because it is fun, media mentality? I doubt he would make a correction because he has propaganda to spread, feeding the “machine”. The same old posters blog out their crap because it is what they do. Why disseminate truth when you have sharks waiting for the “chump”.

        • devilschild

          Sue … if Rob bothers you so much why do you pratically live on his blog? Start your own. Let’s see how many people log in.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            She does have one. Nobody reads it, because it’s pretty much as coherent as her comments here.

            Which is to say, not very coherent at all.

            http://bbuz.biz/

          • SusanBeehler

            It is not a blog it is a website, and I used it for property tax issues or other information I want to share.

          • $8194357

            Ever notice that these fool tools get stuck on a “detail” and miss the whole of the tyrannist intent of their ideologies?

          • SusanBeehler

            Rob and I are having a “personal” spat right now, that is playing out in his blog.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            I’m actually not having a spat at all. You’re an ignorant, horrible woman who says terrible things about people who say things you disagree with. It isn’t necessary for me to point this out. You are your own worst enemy.

            I gladly provide you this forum in which you discredit yourself.

          • SusanBeehler

            you forgot disgusting or are you just disgusted?

          • Onslaught1066

            He also forgot: Grit eating, scum sucking, boot licking, drop kicking, gut grinding, nail biting, glue sniffing,scab picking, butt scratching, egg hatching, sleazy, smelly, pepper bellied, dirty, lousy, rotten, stinking, freak.

            But hey! who’s counting?

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        They must have updated the article since I wrote the post.

        So, it wasn’t a false headline, the original version of the bill did in fact allow this.

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          I’m sure you’ll change your headline then, right?
          Ya know, update with a correction.

          Here is their update notification:

          Page modified February 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

          Does that precede your posting time?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            The headline is still accurate. The bill called what it called for. That it’s been amended now is an update that doesn’t invalidate the original story.

            I know it embarrasses you when the liberal agenda is laid bare like this, but the truth is the truth.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Does their update precede your posting?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Yes, their update precedes his posting, but Rob get’s paid by the lie.

        • SusanBeehler

          Yup, and once you write it cannot be updated, retracted or edited? Just like the Sandy Hook father who wasn’t a Sandy Hook father, like that or the headline about atm welfare withdrawals, nothing can be changed even if it changed in real time, in real life I get it, you can’t undo it, because you won’t?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Thank you for paying attention.

            It’s fun!

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            You and Susan, both being wildly ill-informed and seeking to cover it through obfuscation and name-calling, are two peas in a pod.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            rube, is there a Washington State Gun Ban [that] Gives Law Enforcement Permission To Search Your Home Without A Warrant?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            There was. It was ammended, thankfully.

            Do you know how the legislative process works?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            There was never “a Washington State Gun Ban [that] Gives Law Enforcement Permission To Search Your Home Without A Warrant” and you know it.

            There was a proposed section, which as the article you’ve linked to points out, the bill’s backers, (perhaps even its author) admitted was a mistake and removed that language from the bill.

            Missed that?

            OK, here it is:

            The prime sponsor, Sen. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, also condemned the search provision in his own bill, after I asked him about it. He said Palmer is right that it’s probably unconstitutional.

            “I have to admit that shouldn’t be in there,” Murray said.

            I understand your kind’s ‘don’t retreat, reload’, rugged individualistical lifestyle, but come on now cowboy, to say there was a: Washington State Gun Ban [that] Gives Law Enforcement Permission To Search Your Home Without A Warrant, is just not being truthful.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            There was a ban. It was introduced in the Washington State Senate, and thankfully amended.

            Someone put that provision in the law. Maybe nobody wants to take credit for it now that it has been exposed, but it was in there. It was proposed. Thankfully, it’s off the table now.

            Maybe you’d like me to pretend like it never existed in the first place, Boob?

          • SusanBeehler

            Rob I would think you would know just a little better than that, come on really, name calling? Wildly? You are angry about what I said the other day.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            I’m not angry. You just kind of make me sad about the state of our democracy.

          • SusanBeehler

            Just kind of. I am glad I just kind of have that much power over our state of democracy, come on, REALLY? Are you disillusioned?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            I don’t think you, independently , have any power. I think you’re irrelevant. I think large groups of voters like you are killing us.

          • SusanBeehler

            Large groups of voters is what makes our country a democracy. Your intolerance for others beliefs and ideas is showing. This is not about being right or left, conservative, liberal or libertarian It is about what YOU want to promote, what YOU want to criticize, what YOU want! When it is only a “YOU” want, than it is no longer a democratic discussion it is intolerance. Who is “us”? “killing” is a pretty strong word. The world is not Black or White, and neither are ideas.

          • JoeMN

            Large groups of voters is what makes our country a democracy.

            Susan

            A democracy is large groups of WOLVES deciding which SHEEP to have for dinner.

            Which is why we were originally meant to be a Republic instead.

            People on the “right or left, conservative, liberal or libertarian” are supposed to enjoy inalienable rights which a “democracy” (even a really big one) cannot take away.

            One is the right to keep and bear arms.

            Another is to keep that democracy from bursting in your door and seizing those arms without just cause .

          • ellinas1

            JoeMN says: “A democracy is large groups of WOLVES deciding which SHEEP to have for dinner.
            Which is why we were originally meant to be a Republic instead.”

            You prefer small packs of wolves deciding which sheep to have for breakfast, lunch and dinner?
            Wow!

          • JoeMN

            A Republic is rule by law
            Watch and learn
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2U15HqRL4

          • ellinas1

            I watched and learned. A democracy is also “rule by law” the objections of the narrator and your protestations to the contrary not withstanding.
            Now, after the lesson you so kindly taught me, I believe even more than before, that you prefer small packs of wolves deciding which sheep to have for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

          • JoeMN

            In a democracy it’s much easier to eat your political opposition, than to acknowledge his natural born rights

            Life, liberty,
            and especially property.

            Look at the once great democracies of Europe.

            We see image after image of the aftermath of riots and looting in Greece.

            After all, the Greek people voted. And a MOB voted for free stuff, bye gosh bye golly.
            But who is able to deliver this free stuff ?

            We are informed by the elites that it’s really the fault of Germany who recently announced: “let them eat austerity”

            So where exactly are the Greek Socialists who promised the mob all this milk and honey ?

            Why, hiding behind unelected oligarchs at the EU that THEY themselves commissioned on the promise that the breads and circuses could continue indefinitely
            That a collectivist instinct, left behind by the graces of Marx and Engals would motivate some to work harder and harder for the benefit of the many.

            But the mob in Germany does not wish to support the mob in Greece.

            So now where does this leave the once great democracy of Greece ?

            Oh, they can still vote.

            But what to vote for now ?
            We find ourselves in a similar situation here in the US
            The mob voted for free stuff here as well.

            But the politicians here have two choices.

            They could eat the rich right now to pay for the breads and circuses, but this requires so much cash, it would leave nothing but a collapsed economy for tomorrow.
            Or, they can continue on the current path of relying on the Chinese and the Fed, both of which are unelected, and eventually will turn up unaccountable to the mob.
            So I guess in a way you are correct, ellinas, we now are a democracy, but still ruled by a mob. Rule of law, which would protect property or reign in the Fed are cast aside.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yes, the proud greekling left his great land of Greece but apparently didn’t leave it’s “democratic” (socialist) politics behind.

            We’ve discussed Ellinas’s voluntary repatriation to Greece on numerous occasions since his brand of socialist democracy really isn’t compatible with the virtues of a Constitutional Republic. Alas his refusal leaves us with only one logical conclusion, that he lied on his immigration documents since he’s a totalitarian who’s beliefs coincide with those of Karl Marx.

            INA 212(a)(3)(D)

            (3) Security and Related Grounds.-

            (D) Immigrant Membership in
            Totalitarian Party.-

            (i) In General

            Any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate thereof), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible.

            THEREFORE he was inadmissible at entry and IS subject to removal/deportation.

          • JoeMN

            Yes, the proud greekling left his great land of Greece but apparently
            didn’t leave it’s “democratic” (socialist) politics behind.

            two amber lamps

            Well now, if that’s the case ellinas is shirking his responsibility as a good Greek citizen of “democracy”, where he should be with the rest of the looting mob, carrying on the torching of the place until their demands to a bankrupt system of free τυρί φέτα for the 50.01 percent is fulfilled

            PS please excuse the Greek cheese translation if I butchered it , as I would have rather used quark (or grandma’s homemade pot cheese) for perogi (Polish dumplings)

          • $8194357

            leftists are all about “percieved feelings”.
            Real or not….

          • SusanBeehler

            The Article you possibly got your story from has a note to the readers it is the least you could do to post it but if not I will do it for you. http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020373291_westneat17xml.html
            If you go to the above article you will find:
            “(Note to readers: The link above is to a new version of SB 5737, which no longer contains the disputed provision. The original version of the bill has been erased from the state’s Web site, but here you can see it as it was proposed.)”

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            The post was updated with that information ours ago.

          • $8194357

            Lemming peas.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            None of those stories were inaccurate, Susan.

            And anyone who has ever read one of your postings, or watched you testify at the legislature, knows you wouldn’t know “accurate” if you stumbled over it in the dark.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            I don’t think you understand what the word ‘accurate’ means.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Well, you define “accurate” as whatever fits the narrative.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Is there a Washington State Gun Ban [that] Gives Law Enforcement Permission To Search Your Home Without A Warrant?

          • Snarkie

            Gee, I wonder why folks think the conservatives are having cognitive problems?

          • Onslaught1066

            Don’t you have a future dead Mrs. Buttfuckle to pick up at the playground?

            Glue, it’s what’s for dinner.

          • banjo kid

            there would have been if it had not been caught , and Rob did say in the article they took that out or are you like your friend Susan who only reads the headline. He was pointing out what the left wants and that is law enforcement with unlimited power . What part of: The legislation has been amended to remove the provision allowing for warrantless home searches. Do you not understand

          • JoeMN

            I think this lib bandwagon attempt to claim “gotcha” on Rob is rather fascinating, even though the real story is the Democrats who introduced this bill as originally written have no regard and probably even no mechanism (besides us on the right) to insure their bills even pass constitutional muster.
            The irony here is in their attempt to silence Rob, they really are targeting this very same mechanism they obviously require.
            Either that, or they desire a totalitarian state where your home can be ransacked on a governmental whim.

            .

          • banjo kid

            You would think they were on the payroll at the white house , My brother voted for Obama because he thought he might fix a few things and I have to admit he was not a low info voter but as many are caught up in it think people are generally honest and forth right and have been vetted by the news media before hand which we here know that has not the case , He voted Romney last time as he found he had been had. Me I assumed he voted for McCain so I did not know until he had voted , I informed him of who Obama was not and that is honest I invited him to check him out on the net .

          • Snarkie

            This is coming from a guy who defends a defacto dictatorship and an indefinite state of war on the premise of security when a red, white guy is president, and kvetches and moans under identical conditions with a blue, black guy as president.

            Rob is one the ‘patriots’ who like to chortle about the effigies of POTUS in the front yards of racist, Confederate seditionaries.

            By the time you are done extolling the virtue of the conservative values being upheld and advanced in Texas, Texas will have amended it’s constitution 18 more times.

            It is sad to watch, annoying and repetitive to listen to/read.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            And yet, you’re one of SAB’s most frequent com enters.

          • ellinas1

            The narrative here says what you reported is inaccurate.
            Have the decency and humility to acknowledge error.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Your narrative is irrelevant as you are a self-admitted pederast.

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Happy Presidents Day Greekling Pederast! :)

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Ah, saving your imagination for thinking of ways to defile juvenile boys, eh Greekling?

          • ellinas1

            No. Not willing to engage in childish name calling.
            You are doing a good job all by yourself.
            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Understood, the fact that Ellinas is an admitted child rapist is unassailable truth. No sense debating the fact.

            Then we’ll just say my posts to you are public service announcements so that all the world knows Ellinas for the deviant sex offender that it is.

          • two_amber_lamps

            So says the Great Comrade of inaccuracy…

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAA!

          • devilschild

            If possible could you provide us with a short video of her tesifying sometime so we can judge for ourselves?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            The committee hearings aren’t on video.

          • SusanBeehler

            I have never seen you at any committee hearings I was at. Again which one have you attended where I testified? My testimony is available at the Legislative Council for anyone to read or listen to, it is a public record. I don’t think you need a video to know if what I said was what I said, and I don’t think I do anything very unusual as I speak that you would have to “watch” it to know what I said. I have been nervous sometimes but I don’t think you need to “watch” to realize this either.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Trust me, the video is necessary to fully appreciate you’re cartoonish testimony.

            You are a charicature of the average low-information voter who holds forth anyway, unaware of your own ignorance.

          • SusanBeehler

            Again Rob what hearing where you at? “average low-information voter”, what are you Rush now?

          • Neiman

            It is YOUR cartoonish testimony, not YOU’RE.

          • devilschild

            oh well…it didn’t hurt to ask.

          • banjo kid

            Is that like a city council meeting if so you are always pushed aside in those meetings usually by an old lady who has been there since Adam and Eve , you just get to vent and that is the end unless you follow up hard nothing will be done .

          • JoeMN

            Or the local township meeting where one loon shows up, demand floor time halfway through the clerk’s report, then pull out three hours worth of crib notes on a Cheney/Haliburton tangent

          • SusanBeehler

            The title of the Sandy hook father when he wasn’t is very
            accurate.
            When have you been present when I have testified at the legislature, when which hearing and how could I have not seen you? Perception is sometimes misconstrued as “accurate” or “inaccurate”, does not mean it is not true. Tonight I was at a hearing for property tax exemption, the city commission started to refer to it as “deferred” which I would say is inaccurate, just like the governor’s “property tax relief” I would call it a “tax shift”. If this bill does not do what your title eludes to, I would call that “inaccurate”. Are you being a little “sensitive”? Still a little touchy over past comments even after I apologized to you?

          • banjo kid

            Take time to read and the article as presented is accurate . the Liberal news media does this all the time but they never correct the headline in the same article. Do you only read the head line to save time , my my it would seem you should be used to it by now what with the left doing it every time .

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            He’s trying to marginalize his critics, he doesn’t really have point to make against you, unless you are counting insults. That’s Rob’s schtick, insult and attack his critics who catch him being dishonest.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Says one of the most trolls ever to grace the SAB comment section.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Closed Captioning for the Irony (and Intellectually) Impaired: When someone says: “…he doesn’t really have point to make against you,
            unless you are counting insults.”

            And then makes a short* comment, using the words “idiot, ignorant, dolt, lazy, and dumb

            *Like Hanni himself, who is still able to walk under closed doors without ducking his head.

    • http://nofreelunch.areavoices.com/ Kevin Flanagan

      Fargo does the same thing routinely under the guise of “sump pump inspection.”

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      I told them they weren’t welcome and they didn’t push the matter.

    • two_amber_lamps

      Ever hear of the 4th Amendment? Unreasonable search? Are you storing your kitchen knives in a safe and prudent manner? Guess we better sent the constable over to check!

      Chrissakes you’re an imbecile.

      • SusanBeehler

        Got your undies in a bind? There is NO SUCH bill requiring an inspection it was a mistake. Rob at the very bottom of this article gives an update. The headline enticing, gets you going, and is untruthful and has been kept for whatever reason and it feeds into your paranoia. Get a grip it is not happening! Read this article which Rob has linked to http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020373291_westneat17xml.html

        Stop calling me names because you are gullible and misguided, YOU have been HAD!!!!

        • two_amber_lamps

          Ummm… as usual you fail to grasp the point Comrade Rights Violator. My comments directed at you are COMPLETELY VALID as you are more than willing to cash in everyone’s NATURAL RIGHT to own a firearm. The rights enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights are those given to us by GOD. NOT to be arbitrarily rescinded because an ignorant bolshevik decides those rights are to much for us mere mortals to possess.

          The fact that the stipulation was removed from the Peoples Republic of Washington’s legislation is IRRELEVANT (yes I know, big word… means doesn’t matter) to the conversation at hand.

          Chrissakes you’re an imbecile.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Did you know that a DNR agent can enter your home anytime w/o a warrent if they suspect that you have violated any hunting/fishing law?

    • SusanBeehler

      But can’t if you just shot your spouse because you mistook them for a bear?

      • mickey_moussaoui

        You better have a license for that. It takes 10 years to get a bear tag here.

        • $8194357

          Spouse licenses are easy to obtain…
          They call them “restraining orders”…
          Folks get them handed to them and shoot their spouses all the time…

  • Yogibare

    It would seem logical that a Policeman could stop a person on the street to see if they are carrying a weapon, ala NYC. Why not? If they can go into a home/house, then they can search a person on a public street. No? Yes?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    If that bill passed, it wouldn’t pass constitutional muster, it would probably violate a host of constitutional amendments.

  • $8194357

    Oh that old fashioned out dated Constitution and Bill of Rights….
    why should anyone care….
    sarc

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

    The point that Nutterbob misses is not that they amended the proposed law, (after it was exposed as the outrage it was), but that the original was in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment. The point is that we have legislators in our country who are either ignorant of, or contemptuous of the Bill of Rights (or both). We generally refer to them as “liberals”.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      We’re just supposed to ignore that part.

    • Snarkie

      What was the voting act in ’64 that turned the racists? You like the old 3/5ths rule, eh NUTTER?

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

        Sparkkkie, Your ignorance of the 3/5ths rule, in which the census was used to minimize the representation, and power, of the slave holding states in Congress is duly noted, you ignorant lout. Would you have preferred that all the slaves be counted as whole (but non-voting) persons to inflate the number of representatives from the South? Oh, yeah. That whole latent racism thing of yours!

        No wonder you could never become a professor, you race baiting tool! That doesn’t stop you from pretending to be one, does it though? Tell us all about you hanging out with the “rest” of the profs…

        BTW, you do know that when you capitalize your mind drool, it carries no more weight than the rest of your drivel, right, Snarkkkie?.

        • Onslaught1066

          Of course he would, Buttfuckle is a racist in good standing with the democrat party.

          And a huffer of fine imported glue, I might add.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I think Sparkkkie/Snarkkkie, whatever he calls himself these days, would benefit from a good rehab program. He used to at least try or pretend to make rational arguments. Maybe we could even persuade him to bring back the My Little Pwny avatar of his?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Of course the first step to rehab/recovery is admitting one has the problem… no concerns about that happening with our little pet SAB alcoholic SparKKKie… he’s the “life of the party!”

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M3S2oXq7dI

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Maybe it was the shock of seeing a black man take the oath of office, but before 2009, Sparkkkie used to at least try for coherence.

          • $8194357

            Yup..
            Hes on the Elmers…
            Cheaper but ya have to do more of it to get the rush..

          • $8194357

            Hes on Elmers now?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Yes, but his heart belongs to Elsie!

          • $8194357

            hee hee…

        • Snarkie

          #NUTTER

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Only took you a week to come up with that lame comeback, Snarkkkie? My! You’re getting quicker in your old age!

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      You idiot. Rbb proves Rob is an ignorant dolt who spreads information to lazy conservatives who are too dumb to know the difference.

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

        Your projection (and lack of argument) are both duly noted. We also note that the last time I tried to engage you in rational conversation, you ran like a scalded dog from the discussion when I ask you to back up any of your bogus allegations with links.

        Toddle off now, and pull your pud someplace where no one will notice.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          You have a major inferiority complex. Watching you avoid fact based argument is something to truly behold in wonderment. Nobody ignores facts better than you.

          • Onslaught1066

            You give yourself way too little credit, Oh, Impotent Impudent one.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Unfortunately for you, Tiny Sociopath, you do not have an inferiority “complex”, you are just inferior. The fact that you offer no facts, but merely more insults and projection, is once again duly noted.

          • Onslaught1066

            Good news everyone.

            I found out where hannitoad went last month.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Are you sure Hazmi-tard wasn’t just paying a visit to his butt-buddy Ellinasty? Getting sacked up on a felony is probably cheaper than paying money stolen from his mom for a plane ticket to ship his juvenile delinquent ass back to CA. Easier just to get your ass thrown in the hokey so you can meet the Stockton Pederast back over in D Block.

            http://streetwiseprofessors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/pedophile.jpg

          • $16179444

            um, in order for it to be deemed ‘fact based’ it has to have actual FACTS. I have yet to see a post of yours that has any.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Speaking of facts, you claimed I was a boogie boarder. I haven’t seen a single photo of you surfing. Were you projecting?

            Here’s mine, where’s yours??

            Why not admit you are just a liar.

          • $16179444

            oxnard shores

          • $16179444

            here’s another

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            This one is much improved, although you should try and get in the green room before the entrance closes. Looks like your timing was off, but hopefully you made it through….

          • $16179444

            yippie! i got a much improved comment from mommy’s boy.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No, you got a lecture from a self made man and a guy who creates his own luck and destiny. You….you’re just an envious poser who can’t fathom success.

          • $16179444

            a lecture? from you? laughable. first off you’re not ‘self made’ and you’re certainly no man. the only luck you know is the bowl of lucky charms mommy pours for you. i laugh at you.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You’re another one of those reality deniers and a full on idiot. What do you think makes you a man, holding your gun and putting on stupid hats?

          • $16179444

            the only one denying anything here is you. you are laughed at here daily as you are as you try to navigate the ‘waves’ at Launiupoko State Wayside Park while decked out in your neon green wetsuit. you’re a hack, a punk and a mama’s boy. you’re annoying, ignorant and downright stupid.

          • guest

            Self made??? According to your master, obama, you didn’t do anything on your own, smallwillie.Are you still lying, or is obama?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What’s happening here? You trying to pull out the back or do you smack the lip with your feet off the deck?

            Your feet should remain on your board if you are trying to launch one off the top. Like so:

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh such imagination you have! I suppose you have nothing better to do whilst watching porn and playing video games in Mom’s basement.

            http://m5.paperblog.com/i/3/33763/drowning-in-the-kiddie-pool-L-XxvC72.jpeg

            Back to reality….

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You either hit it…..

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            or slash it…

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            or destroy the lip. You don’t sail over it while your board goes one way and your body, another.

          • Hal414

            or stroke it, like you do at 30:46…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7WDc50ZkQ

          • $16179444

            i did more than just hit or slash it, i destroyed it epically. its called power surfing.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Power surfing???? BWAHAHAHA! OMG….dude, you pulled out the back and couldn’t even keep you feet on the board. You should have let well enough alone.

            You didn’t even do anything to the lip except pop out the top.

          • two_amber_lamps
    • two_amber_lamps

      Ignorant of the Constitution?? Say it ain’t so Mr. Proof! Say it ain’t so!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofnOZAJt47c

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

        Good ol’ Fourtney “Pete” Stark! Ahead of his time again!

  • banjo kid

    It could have been the case study for constitutional muster , but it was caught by an alert person and changed, it would have been un-constitutional 100%

  • borborygmi

    must be no crime in Washington that they can take time to inspect. . I would bet this is challenged and upheld as unconstitutional.

  • banjo kid

    Infringed, go against rules of law how ever you want to interpret it it means just that not be infringed which means the insurance that NY is contemplating is as unconstitutional as any law that ever came along . Are the people of NY that stupid to not storm city hall and call for an ouster of any and all constitutional breakers to be gone from office by the end of the day should happen right now . 1,600 to 2,000 dollars a year for that much insurance. A million dollars insurance is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of it would stop the poor from having protection oh ! but wait that is what they want the rich to be protected and the peon sitting like a duck waiting to be fleeced, raped robbed or killed. Looking more like revolution every day .

  • $8194357

    And in the mean while…..
    Back at the global arab spring muslim brotherhood DC ranch…..
    Barry and his taqyya kind agendas role on…….
    Disarm the American public for what tyrannist international progressive reasons?

    Quote:
    Report: Hagel Said Israel Headed Toward Apartheid, Netanyahu a ‘Radical’

    Contemporaneous account by Rutgers University Law student of 2010 speech

    By: Alana Goodman

    Secretary of defense nominee Chuck Hagel said Israel is on its way to becoming an apartheid state during an April 9, 2010, appearance at Rutgers University, according to a contemporaneous account by an attendee.

    Hagel also accused Israel of violating U.N. resolutions, called for U.S.-designated terrorist organization Hamas to be included in any peace negotiations, and described Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a “radical,” according to the source.

    Kenneth Wagner, who attended the 2010 speech while a Rutgers University law student, provided the Washington Free Beacon with an email he sent during the event to a contact at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The email is time-stamped April 9, 2010, at 11:37 AM.

    “I am sitting in a lecture by Chuck Hagel at Rutgers,” Wagner wrote in the email. “He basically said that Israel has violated every UN resolution since 1967, that Israel has violated its agreements with the quartet, that it was risking becoming an apartheid state if it didn’t allow the Palestinians to form a state. He said that the settlements were getting close to the point where a contiguous Palestinian state would be impossible.”

    “He said that he [thought] that Netanyahu was a radical and that even [former Israeli foreign minister Tzipi] Livni, who was hard nosed thought he was too radical and so wouldn’t join in a coalition [government] with him. … He said that Hamas has to be brought in to any peace negotiation,” Wagner wrote.

    • ellinas1

      Oh, please brotherman.
      Why should everything we do take Israel into consideration?

      • $8194357

        Ever even try to see past the liberal spin and lies to what the
        devil has the “progressives” up to in the world today?
        Agendas over the milleniums comming to fruition before our eyes.
        The two most hated groups in these modern historic end times are
        devout Christians and Jews while the “not so devout”?
        Fall away in the deceptions…

        But your leftist understandings see no evil, hear no evil, do no evil on the sainted left as devout or conservitive is fair game to your disdain and critisims…
        The accuser of the brethren smiles when you lemmings
        do his bidding for him..

        • ellinas1

          Mr. brotherman 7.62. Contrary to your assertions I see, hear and know of the evils of this world.

          • $8194357

            Why play the devils advocate for them then?

          • ellinas1

            Devils advocate for who? I do not understand what you are trying to say.

          • $8194357

            You defend the leftist secular ideologies of marxist social justice false morality and leftist universalism everyday and you don’t even seem to know whos advocate you are. IMO..

          • ellinas1

            You have a problem of providing shelter food, healthcare and education for those unable to procure it on their own?
            Do you see it as being a problem opposing thievery, exploitation, unjust wars, economic subjugation, equal justice for all, respecting the elders honoring ones parents and caring for them in their old age as something bad?
            Wow! Just wow!

          • JoeMN

            ellinas

            So where is the righteousness in voting for men with guns to force fewer and fewer producers to provide these things to increasing numbers of takers for political gain vs. fulfilling your personal charitable obligation ?

          • ellinas1

            I have sent no one to place a gun to your head and take that which you produced.
            I pay for what I consume.

            When I see evidence of your personal charitable obligation providing shelter and nourishment to my unemployed neighbor I may change my mind. Until then, I am thankful for what little the government takes from me and gives to him and his family to survive these hard and harsh times.

          • JoeMN

            I pay for what I consume.

            No you don’t.

            Not even close
            The problem is this same government “consumes” almost a trillion dollars more than it takes in every year.

            When I see evidence of your personal charitable obligation providing shelter and nourishment

            My charity must compete for my income with the taxes government takes to provide welfare to

            Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
            SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
            Solyndra ($535 million)*
            Beacon Power ($43 million)*
            Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
            SunPower ($1.2 billion)
            First Solar ($1.46 billion)
            Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
            EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
            Amonix ($5.9 million)
            Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
            Abound Solar ($400 million)*
            A123 Systems ($279 million)*
            Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
            Johnson Controls ($299 million)
            Schneider Electric ($86 million)
            Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
            ECOtality ($126.2 million)
            Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
            Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
            Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
            Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
            Range Fuels ($80 million)*
            Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
            Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
            Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
            GreenVolts ($500,000)
            Vestas ($50 million)
            LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
            Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
            Navistar ($39 million)
            Satcon ($3 million)*
            Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
            Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
            Plus Wall Street banks ect, ect.

            I am thankful for what little the government takes from me and gives to
            him and his family to survive these hard and harsh times.

            What “little” ?

            Lucky you.

            http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/morning-bell-welfare-spending-shattering-all-time-highs/

            Roughly 100 million people—one-third of the U.S. population—receive
            aid from at least one means-tested welfare program each month. Average
            benefits come to around $9,000 per recipient. If converted to cash, means-tested welfare spending is more than five times the amount needed to eliminate all poverty in the United States.

            Despite the fact that welfare spending was already at record levels
            when he took office, President Obama has increased federal means-tested
            welfare spending by more than a third. Benefits under “means-tested”
            programs are calculated based on a recipient’s means to support himself;
            in other words, they are intended to assist low-income Americans. The
            character of this aid is hand-out more than hand-up. Able-bodied
            recipients rarely are required to work or prepare for work to receive
            aid.

          • $8194357

            Yup..
            what it is…

          • $8194357

            2 tru 4 government skool…

          • ellinas1

            No I don’t?

            Do not judge me by what you receive from Uncle Sam and your state’s welfare system..
            I get none of that. Not a frigid penny.

            Corporate welfare? Am I to be surprised? That is an American tradition.. It has practically, been going on since the inception of our glorious republic.
            Being taxed while being threatened with firearms? It has practically been going on since the inception of our glorious republic.A couple of the founders namely George Washington and Alexander Hamilton done that. Remember the Whiskey Rebellion?

          • $8194357

            The devil gives his agenda thru “ideologies” E…
            Only the Spirit of Christ is the Truth….
            The leftist progressives are %100 ideologicaly blind devoted to his agendas….Thus…Being a lucifer/Lenins useful idiot to the
            globalist tyranist cause…Apoligists for the devil one and all…

          • ellinas1

            What in God’s name do I do to be advocating for the devil?
            Healthcare for all?
            Education for all?
            Decent wages?
            Opposing thievery and exploitation?
            Honoring ones parents? Respecting the old and fragile?
            Opposing abortion? Opposing wars for the sake of profit?
            Justice for the defenseless?

            What?

          • $8194357

            Mans ways and wisdom is not Gods ways and Wisdom, huh.
            Marxist social justice false morality by force of taxation and/or state supported penalty….Secular ideologies of leftists cause advocates using the heavy hand of facist state to force folks from their labor, property and money….not very Christ like, huh…More in the vein of Ceasar and lucifer, IMO..

            And NO…I’m not shouting at anyone so don’t take my dissagreements as calling you a liar as that works both ways…

            the Word of God is sharper than a double edged sword cutting both to the thought and intent of a mans heart…If your angry with me for dissagreeing with you perhaps you are mad at God who convicts us of our short commings, E.

            James 3:1-16
            New King James Version
            (NKJV)

            The Untamable Tongue

            3
            1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers,
            knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
            2 For we all stumble in many things.
            If anyone does not stumble in word,
            he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.
            3 Indeed, we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us,
            and we turn their whole body.
            4 Look also at ships:
            although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds,
            they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires.
            5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.
            See how great a forest a little fire kindles!

            6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity.
            The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.
            7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.
            8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil,
            full of deadly poison.
            9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God.
            10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.
            11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?
            12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.

            Heavenly Versus Demonic Wisdom

            13 Who is wise and understanding among you?
            Let him show by good conduct that his works are
            done in the meekness of wisdom.
            14 But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts,
            do not boast and lie against the truth.
            15 This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
            16 For where envy and self-seeking exist,
            confusion and every evil thing are there.

          • ellinas1

            7.62: “Mans ways and wisdom is not Gods ways and Wisdom,…..”

            Would God be opposed to the things I said?
            Let me say them again:
            Healthcare for all.
            Education for all.
            Decent wages.
            No thievery and exploitation.
            Honoring ones parents. Respecting the old and fragile.
            Opposing abortion. Opposing wars for the sake of profit.
            Justice for the defenseless.

          • $8194357

            No thievery and exploitation.
            (unions/forced participation into agendas)
            Respecting the old and fragile.
            (Beurocratic decision treatment options making by state)
            Opposing abortion
            (taxpayer funded)
            Forced taxation (theft) to give everyone
            universal healthcare?
            What you call “education” while revisionists defame our
            Constitutional rule of law
            systems for socialist/communist radicalism ?
            And those things aren’t found in the leftist doctrines socialist/communist you defend and expouse?

          • ellinas1

            You have a choice not to work for a union shop employer.
            No one makes decisions about treatment options.
            We take care of my 86 year old mother in law at our home, we choose the doctors and the appropriate medical care after consulting with both my MIL and her doctor.
            Abortion (taxpayer funded or not) I still oppose. But as per the New Testament…Give to Caesar what’s Caesar’s , and God what is God’s…..
            Healthcare as in forced taxation or as you call it theft?
            All taxation is forced…nothing new here move along.
            Education for all.
            Education as in education.
            Has nothing to do with “constitutional rule of law.” Math, chemistry, physics, history etc, have nothing to do with the constitution.
            No one is advocating socialist/communist radicalism.
            Your definitions as to what constitutes socialist/communist radicalism are not found in any dictionary.

          • $8194357

            So if you are so conservitive in your deeds,
            why do you support the radicle leftist ideological agendas
            with your votes for leftist statist big spending broke government?

          • ellinas1

            That is what I believe, that is what I do, and those who I vote for for the most part uphold my principles.
            The republicans not so much.
            I will never vote for someone who wants my vote, and he tells me the the only thing he is going to do is oppose homosexuals and abortion, and support family values.
            I am not looking for a preacher, I am looking for someone to represent my secular interests in Washington DC.
            My spiritual needs, I take care by myself or with the assistance of a pastor, preacher, or priest.
            You complain about the liberals being big government, but I have yet to see the republicans when in power reduce spending, outlaw abortion, and condemn the homos to a life of hard labor in the Arizona desert.

          • Neiman

            If you were a Christian, you would have NO secular interests at all.

            You are looking at the political systems of this evil world and hoping therein to achieve godly ends. Come out from among them and be ye separate, you find Christ not in the city (world), but outside the camp (Calvary). Christians are aliens to this world, it is an enemy of Christ, we are citizens of heaven. How can you have union with the world?

          • $8194357

            Well you in your mind must never be wrong about anything, then huh.
            I am at odds with you on many issues and you have the God given right to follow your ideological blindness off the international progressive cliff….
            Stand against the devil and he will flee from you…
            vote for his earthly agendas and ideologies and he will own you..

          • ellinas1

            7.62 says: “Well you in your mind must never be wrong about anything, then huh.”

            I did not say that. You said it.
            I have clearly stated my beliefs, and attempted to clarify my positions to the best of my ability.
            That is all I can do. Now it is up to you, to believe me or not, and it is up to you to ask for further clarification.
            I will freely answer any and all questions as to my religious, and political beliefs.
            You are at odds with me?
            OK! You are at odds with me, and I am at odds with you.
            But my stated positions will not damage our Republic.

          • $8194357

            Your stated positions in and of themselves are not evil…
            The “use of them” for statist tyranist power grabs is…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2DdJLycPM

          • ellinas1

            Yes. I have to concede that point to you and assure you that I remain vigilant against such power grab.

          • $8194357

            We “all” have blind sides and no one sees everything..
            Tyrany comes from the left and in the last 100 years here in America the right has become complicite in it, IMO..
            Take care old greek one and God Bless…

          • ellinas1

            Tyranny can and does come from all sides.

          • two_amber_lamps

            I have clearly stated my beliefs, and attempted to clarify my positions to the best of my ability.
            ……
            I will freely answer any and all questions as to my religious, and political beliefs.
            …….
            But my stated positions will not damage our Republic.

            So tell us fair Greekling… how do you resolve your alleged belief in Christianity with your predilections for child molestation and NAMBLA membership?

            Your pederasty and zooerasty is much more in line with the teachings of Allah.

          • Neiman

            If you must support a party that embraces many, many anti-Christ beliefs to gain those things, you are part of their evil system.

            God never called us to heal this world and bring peace and justice, He has condemned this world. While in our lives we should help those in need, even to the point of self sacrifice, to join yourself with a party, both really, that are against Christ is not the way to achieve those ends. You cannot join with Baal or Mammon or any false god, which this world system represents and ever achieve any good – it is impossible. We are only to be light and salt and work within our own sphere to share Christ and His love, not join with unclean spirits and hope to achieve Divine purposes.

          • Neiman

            Advocating on behalf of homosexuality? Saying it is innate, in other words, they were created that way by God.

            Advocating on behalf of abortion? If you vote for the party that advocates for, defends, financially and by legislation make it possible, you are an accessory and as guilty as the actual perpetrators.

            Advocating for separation of Church and State. By supporting the party that is openly, aggressively in pursuit of a godless state.

            Advocating for Marxism, which is anti-Christ.

          • ellinas1

            Your refusal to accept that homosexuals were born that way is an abomination. Yes. They were born that way, as were the hermaphrodites. You do know what a hermaphrodite is, don’t you?

            I vote who I vote for, and my vote is not on behalf of abortion.
            Your argument that I am an accessory is frivolous.
            A Godless State? Or more precisely a state were your religious views prevail?

            Advocating for marxism?
            Hardly, dear sir, as your definition of marxism, is by definition flawed.

          • Neiman

            This is more evidence of your being an enemy of Christ. He teaches that homosexuality is a choice and absent sincere repentance and a desire to be healed of such wicked desires it is an abomination, something He condemns. Yet, you set up yourself to oppose Him and His Word, making yourself a god, above Christ.

            If the candidate you vote for supports abortion and you know they support abortion (choice), then by definition you are an accessory before, during and after the fact in the first degree and share the same blood guilt as the perpetrators of these murderous acts. That is undeniable. It is better not to vote at all than knowingly vote for any person that will support homosexuality and abortion.

            A hermaphrodite is an aberration of nature, it is not God’s design and is the result of sin, the fall of man and their corruption of God’s Perfect Design.

          • ellinas1

            This is where your ignorance (as in not knowing) comes in.
            You are referring to the act of two members of the same sex copulating. There is no evidence in the Bible that the scripture writers and their contemporaries knew anything about homosexuals, OTHER THAT THEY WERE OPPOSED TO SEXUAL ACTS BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE SAME SEX.

          • Neiman

            This is where your ignorance (as in not knowing) and extreme vanity and practical atheism comes in.

            As God said He inspired every word of Scripture through His Scribes, prophets and apostles; to suggest they did not know, did not care or could not communicate homosexuality to them as being innate, then once again you are accusing God of not knowing or not caring and leaving us in confusion, which is wholly antithetical to the Perfect Nature of God. Thus, you are denying Him and placing your self above Him and on His Throne. That is self-deification.

          • ellinas1

            Mr. Neiman, sir.
            This is where your ignorance (as in not knowing) is handicapping your reasoning abilities.
            I do not merely suggest the scripture writers did not know about homosexuality. I am sure of it.
            I did not accuse God of anything. God did not leave us in confusion.
            You are one of many with beliefs similar to yours that is confused about this issue. I am crystal clear about what I understand and know.
            Please show me, where does the Bible say that homosexuality is a choice.

          • Neiman

            You said: “There is no evidence in the Bible that the scripture writers and their contemporaries knew anything about homosexuals, ”

            Utter nonsense, it was the Apostle Paul under inspiration of the Holy Spirit (God the Spirit) that penned Romans One and in another place he speaks of homosexuals being delivered from their homosexual desires. The below is all about choice, a lifestyle choice, as taught by the Holy Spirit:

            “25 They exchanged [choice] the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts [choice]. Even their women exchanged [choice] natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust [choice] for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” Romans One

            Lust is a choice, it is a sin, it is not innate.

            The challenge is yours: show a single passage wherein God ever speaks positively of homosexuality? Where is it? In every case it is condemnation of this lust of the flesh, never is it spoken of as being innate or anything but a sin unto death.

            When you say that these people, inspired by God did not know about homosexuality, you are saying by default that: (a) God did not know about homosexuality. If so, He is not omniscient and cannot be God. (b) God did not communicate the innate nature of homosexuality to His Prophets/Apostles and is guilty of being derelict, not caring about the confusion He would had to have known would result by His silence. Again, He has no motive and if He is guilty, He cannot possibly be God. Further, He lied because he said He is not the author of confusion. Even not using the words, by implication you are denying His deity.

            You know the truth clearly? Hmmm! Do your priests embrace homosexuality as not being sin? Do they embrace it as being innate and only you know better? Why did none of the great men of God throughout the Christian era ever know or agree with you about homosexuality?

            There is no confusion, in every case wherein homosexuality is mentioned, it is in the extreme negative and cause for God’s Wrath. Read Romans One, the Holy Spirit is display divine anger at these people burning with sexual lust for their own gender.

            I have studied the Bible for nearly 6 decades and since you cannot prove homosexuality is innate, you are the one that lives in ignorance. Further, by your position you are leading any gay people that are directly or indirectly receiving your views into hell fire, as they see no need to repent and seek healing and redemption and that – is anti-Christ.

          • two_amber_lamps

            So tell us dear greekling pederast…. do you make the city or does the city make you?

            http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45hdlg/11-stockton-calif/

            “[Stockton] ranks among the country’s six worst when it comes to unemployment, foreclosures and violent crime.”

            I wonder where is rates regarding the number of pederasts per 100,000 or juvenile sexual assualts per capita?

            I’m sure you contribute generously to those stats!

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            No comment of substance… just as we’ve come to expect from you!

            Brahahahahahahahaaaaa!

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yet the question still remains… do you make the city of Stockton, CA one of the most miserable places to live in in the US?

            Oh, rhetorical question! Of course you help make it miserable… the good people of Stockton can’t even let their kids play in the streets lest you scoop them up in your fabulous rape-wagon and spirit them off to your child-porn rump-us room.

          • ellinas1

            Define the word “aberration”.

          • Neiman

            Aberration: the fact or an instance of deviatingor being aberrant especially from a moral standard or normal state.

            An Hermaphrodite: It is a deviation from natural design, it occurs in the womb and is a direct result of sin from Adam onward, from our rebellion against God and our perverting nature is some ways that produce this gender deviation. This is the product of free will, as we reject God’s Will and then demand there be no consequences to our acts, even blaming Him for such deviations.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, when the bell rings, are you usually the first one to go back in, or the last one?

          • Neiman

            Gee, what is it like in hell and having Satan for your father and being an enemy of Christ, pretty miserable huh? Well, you chose Satan and hell, don’t blame others for your freewill choice to be a host for demons.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Gosh, Old Pal, my father is an American Navy vet, all this devil talk has your head in a whirl. I’m guessing you were one of the last ones in.

          • Neiman

            Your mother was not just sleeping with him, Lucifer got in there first and that explains you. That poor Navy Vet, probably trusted her and cannot figure out why he has Satan for a son/daughter, whatever gender you are.

          • ellinas1

            Mr Neiman sir, you are a vile person.

          • Neiman

            With all your frequent foul language, inviting people to engage in homosexual acts with you and your constant lies here, your hatred of Christ and people of faith, your support of homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia and Marxism you have absolutely no moral high ground.

            When your sister Gay Bob plays demonic games, lies in calling me his pal constantly, I have no obligation to play fair with him. I treat him like the child of hell he is. Oh, I forgot you have declared him, an admitted non-Christian, to be a Christian without any need for Christ, because you have declared him a good man, even though God says no one is good.

          • ellinas1

            Mr Neiman sir, Not only you are a vile person, but you are in need of the services of a professional doctor of the psyche.

          • two_amber_lamps

            The pederast is calling someone else vile? Oh my God… that’s RICH!

            Brahahahahahahaahahahahahhaaaaaha
            hahahahahaahahahahahhahahahahahah
            aahahhahahahahahahahahhaah!

          • Neiman

            That is the response of a child, not a man. You offer no defense against any of my charges – just silly, childish tantrums.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, can you even imagine how hilarious that comment is, coming from you?

          • Neiman

            Do you realize that you lack the intellectual capacity and communication skills to debate adults, you are seriously retarded. You are unable to communicate EVER, like an adult with any education beyond 5th grade.

            Take that with your demon possession, your pathological lying, do you realize how little I care what you think about anything?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            I’m sorry I don’t meet your high standards of debate, Old Pal.
            Would you like to talk about what you drop in your toilet some more?

          • Neiman

            You attack me and I respond in kind, not giving you any ground; and you refuse to admit that, YOU are responsible for the tone of every exchange. I have tried rational, civil discussions many times, yet you keep offending me by calling me your pal, engaging in vacuous, inane, nonsensical one liners in place of intelligent discourse, you simply are unable to civilly, rationally, factually, logically engage in spirited debate. The evidence seems to suggest that you are intellectually incapable of such mature exchanges of views, even your headlines for your posts betray ignorance of the English language and how to intelligently state your case.

            An educated man simply does not play the games you play, they know that no one is enlightened by childish one-liners, like some liberal stand-up comedian. Yet, I suspect it is fear on your part, you know you are poorly equipped intellectually and cannot defend your beliefs like a grown-up. Sad, but that is the truth! Sad, but that is the face of modern liberalism, facts be damned with all of them and when you lose on the facts, engage in mindless attacks and ridicule is your common refuge.

          • ellinas1

            Mr. Neiman sir. My response to you is valid and accurate, for no person in his right mind would accuse someone’s mother of copulating with the devil.

            I offer no defense against “your charges” because those “charges” are the ramblings of a seriously mentally ill and unstable person, therefore no defense is necessary, nor needed.

          • Neiman

            That is only your liberal, secular, anti-Christ opinion and childish. Even though you and Gay Bob never answer questions and make silly charges, I answer almost all of them sanely, clearly and factually.

            You launch personal attacks because you know you are wrong and are frightened by the truth.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            How typically un-Christ like of you, Old Pal.
            There is a book, a good book, it’s called The Bible, have you read it?

          • Neiman

            I notice child of hell that you NEVER answered from the Bible exactly what is required to be saved, no chapter verse and defense thereof. Further, you have offered no credentials that would even hint at your having any knowledge in this area, as you are a self confessed non-Christian.

            When you play your demonic games, I am free from having to play fair with you. I am not your pal liar, you are an admitted non-Christian and a pathological, demon possessed liar.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Yes I have, Old Pal. Many times.
            May I suggest ginkgo bilbao?

          • Neiman

            No you have not.

            If so, copy/paste, it is your specialty with time/date.

            May I suggest to repent and ask Jesus to be your only Savior and Lord.

            You keep lying like your damned father – I am not your pal.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Silly Old Pal, ya just gotta believe.

            When will you?

          • Neiman

            Well, as you keep calling me your pal, even though we are enemies in spirit, I BELIEVE you are a most damnable liar.

            But, that aside, BELIEVE WHAT? You offered no documented references at all.

          • ellinas1

            And how do you explain the numerous instances of hermaphrodism that exist in the animal and plant world?

          • Neiman

            I don’t have to, God tells us that he made the world a garden, a perfect garden with no disease, no injuries, no death, a true Paradise; then, Eve and Adam sinned against Him; and death and disease and corruption entered into all of creation and that includes in the womb, for a host of causes, all related to free will and sin.

            That is your problem, you don’t go to God’s Word and ask Him to show you the Truth, but even then your not being born again and not having His Spirit, it is impossible for you to discern spiritual truth. God and His Word are not everything to you, they are not more important even than your own children; He places third, fourth or even a lower part in your life. If you want Salvation He has to be first and foremost, you have to look to Him and that requires you admit you deserve hell, that you repent of your sins and ask Him to be your only Savior and the Lord of every part of your life.

            You cannot approach God by the will, you will not find Him by massaging your ego, He tells us that the greatest wisdom of all men is but foolishness to Him. You have to meet Him on His own ground, on your knees and by faith, outside of the world, bowing to Him in all things.

          • ellinas1

            You are denying the natural state of things?
            Wow!
            Did you know that the hard working earthworm that is present in the ground almost everywhere is a hermaphrodite?

            How about the terrestrial slugs?
            I you aware that slugs are hermaphrodites?
            Let’s not forget the sea mollusks. They have both: penis and vagina.
            And you know what? God made them that way. Sin had nothing to do with that.
            As far as hermaphroditic plants….there is an abundance of them on our planet….all compliments of the Creator.

          • Neiman

            Genesis 1:27: “So God created mankind in his own image,
            in the image of God he created them; male and</b female he created them. 28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number.”

            Notice the operative word “and” that makes it clear that human beings were only created in two categories, male AND female, no hermaphrodites or gays here, just men and women. I find no other passages in the Bible that even hint at His creating alternative male/female human beings. His goal was marriage, the man and women in spirit becoming one flesh before Him and for them to multiply. Gays are out!

            The hermaphrodites, like the liberal lying nonsense of homosexuality among the lower order of animals is out as well. Except possibly in yours and Gay Bob’s case and some others, human beings are not worms, they are lower order of animals with animal life, not spirit life. I am no expert in this area, but God differentiated between animal and human life, it is never said He breathed spirit life into the worm. So, Hermaphrodites may be a part of his natural design for worms, but by His own Word not for human beings. Show me where he talks about a third form of human being, yet it was humans that sinned and perverted their world and nature and when hermaphrodites or other birth defects are produced, it is because of sin and our pollution of the earth.

            You may be a worm and an hermaphrodite, it is obvious you at least have gay tendencies; but you reject what God says and look to secular, Christ rejecting liberal, humanist scientists and you say, “Thus say the scientists . . .” They are your god.

          • ellinas1

            Mr Neiman sir, this conversation is going nowhere. We know today, and for some time now, that inbreeding creates “aberrations” which deviate from what is normal and usual.
            The first humans did in fact inbreed and have incestuous sexual relations.

            Your insistence that somehow you are like John the Baptist and or Jesus and His Disciples and that fact allows and entitles you to call people vile names or make comments such as one’s mother has copulated with the devil defies logic and is beyond what I consider acceptable behavior.
            For these reasons, I will attempt to have minimal contact with you, as you are not worthy of my time or effort.
            Sir, you have a good day.

          • two_amber_lamps

            We know today, and for some time now, that inbreeding creates “aberrations” which deviate from what is normal and usual.
            The first humans did in fact inbreed and have incestuous sexual relations.

            OH I GET IT!! So THAT’S how you justify your pederastic tendencies… Your greekling parents were brother and sister so now you’ve given yourself carte blanche to rape young boys. Wow, the power of a (sick) mind to rationalize aberrant behavior is quite amazing!

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Happy George Washington’s Birthday pederast.

          • Neiman

            You are getting to be as big a liar as your sister Gay Bob. I have never claimed and in matter of fact often made it clear I am not like John thee Baptist or Jesus, only having used their actions as proof against you when I speak against sin bluntly.

            You just want to defy God and excuse homosexuality, as it appears you are trying to justify your own sexual deviancy before God. You know that you must repent of them or change God’s Word to allow yourself to continue in them. You cannot confess Christ Jesus, because you do not know Him, your not having been born again of His Spirit. So, you are a practical atheist, you claim some Christian connections, while your every word and your refusal to confess Christ are evidence of your not being a Christian and that makes you in danger of hell fire.

            You need to accept your wicked nature and your deserving of hell as we all are, repent of your multitude of sins, sincerely tell Jesus you accept Him as your only Savior and the Lord over every part of your life, every thought, ever word, every deed and every association.

            It is sad that the Greek Orthodox Church has given you the outward covering as if you were a Christian, while you remain outside of Christ and His Salvation.

            As to my remarks to Gay Bob, I do not justify them, but I will not surrender to you and him and allow him to call me that foul name of pal and play demonic games and sit passively while he attacks. I probably should ignore him, a few Christians here keep reminding me that I should, as when I do I only walk in the gutter where he lives. So, it is a weakness on my part that I refuse to put up with his lies and demonic games and slap him down.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Thank you for admitting your remarks towards me and my family are unjustified, Old Pal.

          • Neiman

            There you go child of hell, twisting facts, I said I would not justify my remarks to your girlfriend Ellinas, not that they were not justified, considering your pattern of lies and demonic games

            You remain demon possessed, thoroughly evil, vile and sub-human. You are an enemy of Christ, a pathological liar and will suffer never ending torments absent repentance.

            I am not your pal, but you have a sick homosexual obsession with me.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            You are possessed by demons, Old Pal.
            Have you ever considered an exorcism?
            Jesus would be so proud of you.

          • Neiman

            I am not your pal, you literally damned liar from hell.

            What would you know about Jesus, you rejected Him and His salvation, being an admitted non Christian? Come on child of hell, what do you know about Jesus? Nothing, you are His enemy.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            If not an exorcism, perhaps you just need a good old fashion enema, Old Pal.

          • Neiman

            I am not your pal liar!

            I drop a few Gay Bob’s in my toilet everyday.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Of course you’re not.

            I don’t have any pal liars, Old Pal.

          • ellinas1

            Mr. Neiman sir, you truly need help form a professional doctor of the psyche.

          • Neiman

            That is not the response of a man, but a child, incapable of discussing things rationally.

          • two_amber_lamps

            A pederast…. especially one from Stockton, CA.

      • $8194357

        Quote the raven never more:
        (You believe all the shit you read?
        This Kenneth Wagner guy, is either ignorant, lying or both.
        Tziporah Malkah “Tzipi” Livni is female.
        This fool refers to her as being male.
        What’s up with that?)
        I believe the Bible E…
        To bad you don’t…

        • ellinas1

          Mr. brotherman 7.62. I refer you to Galatians 3:28 which states:
          There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

          You have a nice day now, you hear?

          • Neiman

            I am not your brother man, we are not by any definition brothers.

            Your answer only serves to prove your lack of understanding of God’s Word and your not being part of the Body of Christ. Your antisemitism has been on display before and in it, your hatred of God.

            Galatians refers to no distinctions within the Christian Church, and adds male nor female, free or slave, etc, all being members of God’s family as regards salvation. He was speaking of the Church, not Israel as a people.

            His covenant with Israel was reiterated through Moses, repeated by
            the prophets and rehearsed by the psalmists. Jesus Himself affirmed it
            (Matt. 19:28), Paul articulated it (Rom. 9-11) and the gates of the New
            Jerusalem announce it forever (Rev. 22:11-12). God has chosen Israel as His covenant people.

            What if Israel broke the covenant? What would then happen to them?
            Listen to these unmistakably clear truths: “Though I completely destroy
            all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy
            you. I will discipline you but only with justice; I will not let you go
            entirely unpunished” (Jer. 30:11). God will completely destroy other
            nations, but He will not completely destroy Israel! He treats His people
            differently from other people; they are judged more strictly, but they
            will never be wiped out.

            No matter what Israel does, God will never forsake them as a distinct
            people. In Jeremiah 31:31-34, the Lord declares that He will make a new covenant with Israel and Judah. But He doesn’t stop there. It’s as if He’s saying, “Now, don’t get me wrong! Don’t think that this new
            covenant means that I’m abandoning My people. No!”

            This is what the LORD says, He who appoints the sun to shine by day,
            who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar – the LORD Almighty is His name: “Only if these decrees vanish from My sight,” declares the LORD, “will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before Me.” This is what the LORD says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the LORD (Jer. 31:35-37).

            As long as there is a sun, moon, stars, earth, and sea, there will be
            a distinct people of Israel – no matter what they do. It’s God’s
            promise! It’s true!

            “Is not Ephraim my dear son, the child in whom I delight? Though I
            often speak against him, I shall remember him. Therefore My heart yearns for him, I have great compassion for him,” declares the Lord (Jer. 31:20)

            There is more at:

            http://realmessiah.com/read/has-god-forsaken-his-people

            It is sad really, at every juncture in this world, you stand with the world and against God. I recall Caspar Ten Boom, when the Nazi’s were killing the Jews, he said that he pitied the Nazi’s because they dared touch the Apple of God’s Eye; and. I pity you, liberals and the world really, because you too dare to stand against His Chosen People and with the Prince of this fallen world – Satan.

          • ellinas1

            Neiman: “I am not your brother man, we are not by any definition brothers.”

            Mr Neiman I did not call you my brother or brotherman, but rest assured that definitions exist where we are called and considered brothers.

          • Neiman

            You are an enemy of Christ and absent your repentance before God, you are not part of the body of Christ and can never be my brother.

          • ellinas1

            Mr Neiman.
            I do not recall God bestowing upon you the privilege/right or special powers to call people enemies of His Son.
            I do not recall God saying that your particular way of translating the Old and New Testaments as being correct.
            All I recall, sir, is you screaming at the top of your lungs that you are correct and the rest of us wrong.

            You are like the rest of us…..nothing special….but a pebble in a vast universe.

            Once again sir. If you read my post carefully you will see that I have not called you brother or brotherman for that matter.

          • Neiman

            Really a childish response, since I never made any of those claims and since it is impossible to scream at all, let alone at the top of one’s lungs in a written format.

            “Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.Colossians 1:21

            Romans 5:10 “For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!”

            God calls us enemies when we are in sin and not part of the Body of Christ, as we all were and even as Christians can appear at times. When you support homosexuality and abortion, no matter how remotely or by any semantic gymnastics, you are to that degree an enemy of God. As you refuse to confess Christ as your only Savior and Lord, by your own admission you are an enemy of God.

          • ellinas1

            Mr. Neiman.
            You never made those claims but you do exactly that:
            You call people enemies of His Son.
            You insist that your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one.
            And finally sir, day in and day out you tell me you are right and everybody that does not follow what you preach is wrong.
            Now sir, if you do the above all the time, never fail to remind me that which I have stated, you really don’t need a formal declaration.
            When I say you scream at the top of your lungs, I mean figuratively and not literally.
            That you waste my precious time to tell me it is impossibleto scream at all, let alone at the top of one’s lungs in a written format, is beyond comprehension.

            ” Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[a] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.”
            Colossians 1:21-23
            Your point is?

            Once again: Paul was an Apostle called into service by God Himself.
            Paul is teaching the people and not calling them names.

            You? As I said:
            I do not recall God bestowing upon you the privilege/right or special powers to call people enemies of His Son.
            I do not recall God saying that your particular way of translating the Old and New Testaments as being correct.
            All I recall, sir, is you screaming at the top of your lungs that you are correct and the rest of us wrong.
            You are like the rest of us…..nothing special….but a pebble in a vast universe.
            Sir, have a nice day now, you hear?

          • Neiman

            Again, it is impossible to scream in a written format as screaming is an audible act.

            What about John the Baptist calling Herod an adulterer? Was he teaching and not calling names? Or, Jesus calling people snakes? You do err, I am only pointing out that what you wrote and believe, your own testimony, makes you an enemy of Christ and His teaching, it is demonstrating your hypocrisy of calling yourself a Christian and support things that are clearly anti-Christ. Not that this is your intent, but it is like so many people professing Christ but being entangled with this world and the things of this world, I do not doubt you are sincere, but sincerely outside of Christ.

            I have never said whatever I believe is right and whatever others believe is wrong. That is a lie! I simply oppose the lies about Christ and Christianity based on God’s Word and you take them as calling you names. It is like saying a man is always under the influence of alcohol, often passed out, of no use to anyone and he gets angry saying you are calling him a drunk.

            It is sad that you say you are a Christian, yet steadfastly refuse to confess Christ and hold to so many beliefs that are contrary to the Cross.

          • ellinas1

            You sir, are neither John the Baptist, nor Jesus.
            You say: “I have never said whatever I believe is right and whatever others believe is wrong.” ‘
            That sir, is inaccurate. Day in and day out you insist you are correct in what you say and believe, and all others are either lying, mistaken and or ignorant of the truth.
            It is very sad that you steadfastly refuse to accept my Christianity, and are trying to convert me to your cult.

          • Neiman

            A. I have never claimed nor even thought to be these people, thus you are knowingly lying about and falsely accusing me.

            B. I insist the Bible is absolutely perfect and correct in every detail, NEVER have I claimed I am correct about anything, only that I absolutely believe what the Bible says about each subject and can confidently stand on His Word, while you stand on your liberal emotions and against God.

            C. I have no desire to convert you, I belong to no cult unless you call biblical Christianity a cult of one, I challenge your Christianity for your own good, causing you to question your false assertion of that faith, when your many words and those things you support are almost wholly anti-Christ. That is my goal, to show how you and many say they believe they are Christians, but when their beliefs are contrasted with God’s Word and the Nature of God, they are standing on false ground. Worse, because they falsely believe this, they lead others away from Christ and into hell, even though that is not their desire.

            D. If you can defend what you believe by God’s Word, I am open to being educated/reproved, but you cannot and so I cannot. You cannot even, for false pride, confess Jesus as your only Savior and only Lord and that in itself, betrays you and is anti-Christ.

            E. Just find Jesus as a living reality, your only Savior, the absolute Lord over every part of your life, being born of His Spirit that you may have eternal life, that is my only desire for you. Doctrines and other things are much less important, because the Spirit that comes by the new birth will lead you into all truth.

          • $8194357

            The devils powers of deception are strong and to boot God Himself will send delusion that His lost creation will believe the lie….
            No acceptance of Christ, no repentance of sin, NO salvation…
            Abortion, homosexuality, acceptance of sin of any and all kinds as an OK condidition to live in along with diverse paths to salvation are all part of the devils universalist end time deception as you well know.

          • $8194357

            Roll those dice E…

            Your mis representation of that quote is noted E.
            Yes In Christ, there is no difference as worldly ties are gone
            for eternal, but the “whole” of the Bible stated that while here
            in this sinful realm we are yet divided and His promises to His people will not change.

      • Neiman

        When a man asked about proof of God’s existence, he replied, “look to Israel.”

        Even though, as you know, I have serious doubts as to your being a Christian at all, if you had any familiarity with God and His Word, you would know that Israel remains the Apple of His Eye, His chosen people and I would think on that basis alone you would take Israel into consideration.

        Okay, we know your Christianity is highly suspect, so look at it this way: Since the dawn of man hatred of Israel has been in existence by all outside of Israel, they being a peculiar people. To this very day, that tiny, insignificant piece of real estate and those relatively small number of people, remain the center of attention for the entire world. Whether there be peace or war again on a global scale, you know as well as I do that Israel will be at the center of that war, antisemitism rages in every country of the world, they hate the Jews and that for a variety of reasons.

        The foregoing on both fronts being absolutely true, I would think that even you would consider every issue on how it impacts Israel and thus the peace of the world. The Islamic world must destroy Israel and annihilate the Jews, they must so that their messiah the Mahdi can come to power, bring world peace and a global Caliphate. That war will cut off the oil pipeline to all that support Israel and with it cripple the world economy. We Christians look to Israel because of God’s love of that land and the Jews, but you of the world, unless you are too stupid to live, must focus your attention on Israel and consider the impact of our every act upon the eventuality of that global war.

        • ellinas1

          Mr Neiman.
          I refer you to Galatians 3:28 which states:
          There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

          You have a nice day now, you hear?

          • $8194357

            Your mis representation of that quote is noted E.
            Yes In Christ, there is no difference as worldly ties are gone
            for eternal, but the “whole” of the Bible stated that while here
            in this sinful realm we are yet divided and His promises to His people will not change.

          • ellinas1

            I did not misrepresent anything. That you disagree with my interpretation is no evidence of any wrongdoing in my part.
            Why don’t you try a few new words such as “you are mistaken” or “I disagree with you.
            Let it be known that your interpretation of the Bible and all things Biblical is not the only one around. You just scream louder than the rest of us all the while asserting that you are correct and all others are wrong.

            The New Testament is the successor to that Old book called the Old Testament.
            The Old Book has been fulfilled with the Birth, Death and Resurrection of one called Jesus.
            We are under a new covenant…..a covenant,between God and his children…..the one specified in the New Testament.

            You have a nice day now, you hear?

          • $8194357

            Oh I Hear E…
            Not what the devil tickles the ears of the globalist progressive and universalists with, but I Hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church
            in these days of deception..Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life.

          • ellinas1

            You did not hear a word of what I said. You read it but refused to believe it.
            Reread some of what I wrote: “You just scream louder than the rest of us all the while asserting that you are correct and all others are wrong.”

            You accused me of misstating things, that is intentionally lying.
            Could I be mistaken about the issue covered in Galatians 3:28?
            How about you? Could you be mistaken about the issue covered in Galatians 3:28?
            Brotherman. Truly I say to you that only one thing is evident: WE DISAGREE with what the meaning of that passage is.
            I don’t go around calling you a liar, as I believe you are not lying about things. I believe you are mistaken/wrong and or I disagree with you on certain issues.
            If you can find it in your heart, afford me the same respect.
            Neiman is not capable of doing that. How about you?

          • $8194357

            Liberal ideological perceptions huh, E..
            No ones screaming here…
            I am calmly disagreeing with your secular liberal do gooder apologist support the tyrany of state “forcing” everyone to do what you have just stated…To rob Peter to pay for Pauls misfortune thru wealth redistribution in the name of liberal do gooder cause is still theft of time, labor and property.

          • Neiman

            Please remember 7p62, Ellinas refuses to confess Jesus as his only Savior and Lord, he believes salvation is by works and not faith alone; he supports abortion, gay rights and a rigid separation of Church and State. In short, in every way he shows himself outside of Christ and cannot possibly understand you, he has not the Spirit of Christ and is an alien to the household of God.

          • $8194357

            His constant defense of secular marxist social justice ideology
            shows he is falling for the unaversalist deceptions, IMO…
            Devil will lead many a “collective soul” down this road.

          • Neiman

            Sadly, Hannitized follows Ellinas pattern and people like Gay Bob think themselves destined for heaven, while rejecting Jesus as their only Savior and Lord. The power of the delusion on this world is amazing to observe, it is even taking people that thought they were Christians into the pit and all we can do is pray for their souls.

          • $8194357

            Yes sir..
            They know it all yet they know nothing.

            1 Corinthians 8:1-3
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            Be Sensitive to Conscience

            8
            1 Now concerning things offered to idols:
            We know that we all have knowledge.
            Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
            2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything,
            he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
            3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

          • ellinas1

            Please remember Mr. Neiman that I follow a different doctrine of Christianity.
            Misstating what I believe and what I support and do not support is akin to lying.

          • Neiman

            There is only one Christ, one baptism and one faith.

            I have often quoted directly from the Greek Orthodox Church tenets of faith, as published on the internet at their web site. That taken along with your many comments here, represents a works based theology, which is contrary to grace; and, that along with your passionate cries that Gay Bob is a Christian despite his admitted to not being a Christian at all, just because you think he is good, despite Jesus saying no one is good, is ample testimony to support my accusations.

            Unless you oppose homosexuality as being a gross sin condemned by God, which you have never done and abortion for any cause being murder and a mortal sin, then you support those things. Likewise, your often stated support of Separation of Church and State, despite it not being in the Constitution and Obama’s war against people of faith, all testify against you and in support of my charges.

            I do not make those accusations lightly, but based on facts.

          • ellinas1

            Mr. Neiman. Of course there is only one Christ, one baptism and one faith….and the correct one is mine.
            Yours is a fallacy, a recent invention which is 200 or 300 years old.
            I don’t really care how often you quote directly, or for that matter even indirectly from the Greek Orthodox Church tenets of faith.
            Every time you quote those tenets you make the same error.
            You are unable for even just one second to free your mind from what you have been taught and or what you have learned on your own, and make an unbiased and accurate assessment of my faith.
            You are stuck, and are obsessed with RBB, abortion and homosexuality.

            The separation of Church and state is nowhere to be found in the Holy Bible.

            About Obama’s war against people of faith, I do not disagree with you.This president is at war against people of the Muslim faith as he kills them daily. He is biased and in support of Jews and Christians, but not the way you want him to be.

            In closing if you took a minute to open your mind and think logically and in a Christian manner you would not make any accusations, but would focus in the myriad of things that unite us and not in the 10 of 15 items that separate us.

          • Neiman

            No, my faith is not a recent invention, even if we were talking about Protestantism, that is 500 years old and is understood as a restoration of the Christian faith; but as I hold to the faith of the Apostles, it spans the entire Christian era. There was not theological entity as the Greek Orthodox Church until it gradually was formed over centuries, while there were certainly Greek Christians. So, the silly claim of the Greek Orthodox Church being from the Apostolic times is more semantic gymnastics and a falsehood.

            I do not want my mind free from what is taught in the Bible, while you openly choose to edit the Bible, ignore it when inconvenient and even accuse God of either ignorance of scientific facts or unconcerned about the truth in your claiming homosexuality is innate.

            Gay Bob is the most evil person I have ever had contact with, he is an admitted non-Christian that you falsely claim is a Christian, while he lies souls into hell. I am against the demonic spirits that inhabit his soul.

            Obama is an enemy of Christ in his policies and actions and you support him.

            We have absolutely nothing that unites us – not a single thing, as you even reject Jesus as your only Savior and Lord by refusing to confess Him and by your support for homosexuality and abortion, among other sins.

          • ellinas1

            Semantics Mr. Neiman. Semantics.
            200, 300, 500 years old is recent as compared to something that it 2000 years old.

            You are ignorant (as in you don’t know) of the history of Christianity.
            If you knew, you would acknowledge the existence of the two major churches commencing with the 3rd century AD.
            That is the church of Rome (or Western Church) and the Church of Constantinople ( also known as the Eastern or Byzantine church) where Greek was the language spoken, and it catered to the Greek speaking people.
            The Eastern and Western churches were united (in communion) until 1054 AD.

            The East–West Schism, known as the Great Schism, is the medieval division of Chalcedonian Christianity into Eastern (Greek) and Western (Latin) branches, which later became commonly known as the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church.
            The protestants came into the picture when?
            In the 16th century. So therefore my assertion that your faith is a recent invention is not far off the mark.

          • Neiman

            More of your anti-Christ rage!

            You keep saying Protestant versus the man made religious organisms of the Catholic or Orthodox religions. I refuse to accept being so labeled, I am a Christian, a believer in Christ and the faith as taught by Him directly to the Apostles, end of subject. Thus, my faith is the original Christian Faith and is outside your man-made religious labels, I am not a Protestant, a Catholic or an Orthodox, false believer in Christ. My Christian faith is 2000 years old, genuine and dependent upon the Holy Spirit and God’s Word, not the teachings and religious requirements of mere men.

            So, your assertion was as far off the mark as one could possible imagine.

          • ellinas1

            Mr Neiman. Refuse to accept whatever you want. No sweat of my back.
            Keep your eyes and mind tightly shut to what reality is.
            Reality is, sir you area a protestant on which the label “made religious organism” fits perfectly.

            No sir. Your faith is not 2000 years old. Your faith was invented in the 16th century AD, and your faith is not the same as taught by Him directly to the Apostles, end of subject.
            Thus, your faith is not the original Christian Faith and is inside the realm of man-made religious labels. You are a Protestant, and not a Catholic or Orthodox Christian.
            Once again, sir, read what I wrote about the history of the Christian faith/Church and point out your factual disagreements.
            Give me dates, events, occurrences whatever you can find. Show me groups of faithful throughout the history of our faith that subscribed to your “johnny come lately” cult. Show their existence from the inception of Christianity to year 2013 AD.

          • Neiman

            There was NO Greek Orthodox Church as such for at least 2-3 centuries after Christ, while there were people of Greek descent that were Christians, like Doctor Luke. Get that word – CHRISTIAN, it is very important. You are a Greek Orthodox Christian, Catholics are Roman Catholic Christians, many Protestants are Protestant Christians; I and a host of believers are just plain Christians, disciples of Jesus Christ, born again in Christ of His Spirit. I have NO religion, no tenets of faith issued by any organization, I am simply a New Testament Christian. I know you don’t like it, but you belong to a man made religious organization, without one word in all of Holy Scripture in its support, that is, where we find God calling Greek Orthodox Christians His Church. It was created by man and it immediately denied Grace by imposing rules, liturgies, rituals, etc.. It is not His Church.

            The Church is the Body of Christ, it is a relationship based on being born again of His Spirit, it is an intimate, one-on-one personal relationship with Jesus. We identify only with Him and are scattered in many man made religious organized groups, but are identified with Him being our only Savior, our absolute Lord, the First to Last, Beginning to End, Alpha to Omega, our all-in-all Lord in every part of our lives.

            Get used to it, by your lies you cannot make me anything different than just a Christian, as described.

          • ellinas1

            There was what we today call “Greek Orthodox Church”. There were churches in Philippi, Thessalononiki, Veria ( Beroea), Nikopolis, Athens, Corinth, and also “Hellenic/Greek” churches located in Asia Minor such as the Church of Antioch where two Apostles had a major disagreement/spat. You do know about the fight between the apostles Paul and Peter which occurred in the city of Antioch around the middle of the first century, do you not? That argument was about imposing rules, liturgies, rituals, etc and it was between two Disciples.
            Get off your camel, and see things as they are. Not as you wish they were.

            Furthermore in Egypt there was and still is the church of Alexandria which is Orthodox to the core.
            Hell, even the Ethiopians and Eritreans are Orthodox Christians.

          • Neiman

            It was NOT the Greek Orthodox Church in the New Testament, there was no organized Church at the time of the Apostles – it did not exist – there was no Christian religion in existence, there were only small home churches, small groups of born again believers in each area mentioned and they were only connected and grouped together by the letters of the Holy Spirit through the Apostle Paul, who was, by the leading of the Holy Spirit, against all works of the flesh to obtain or maintain salvation or even to please God. The Spirit in Him did not teach liturgies, rituals, tradition or other religious works. God never anointed or approved of any man-made religious organism, nor did he ever give His power to these men to anoint ministers/priests, all believers are both kings and priests and only the Holy Spirit calls and anoints people for special ministries.

            The Church in the Divine economy only and always refers to the Body of Christ, which as you will see below, according to God’s Word the only Church. That is the only Church of which I am a member.

            Acts 20:28 (#1 of 10 Bible Verses about the Church, the Body of Christ) 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.”

            Ephesians 1:18-23
            18 I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches
            of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19 and his incomparably
            great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his
            mighty strength, 20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body</b, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way."

            Ephesians 5: 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church- 30 for we are members of his body.

            You do not even understand what the Church is, it is not a man-made religious organization, it is His Body, of which all true believers are members; and, God never gave this Body over to frail, finite men and their religious organizations to rule. There is no Protestant, Catholic or Greek Orthodox Church in Christianity, only those individual believers born again of His Spirit are the Church. You are simply grossly ignorant of the Christian faith.

            That is where you have been failed by your priests and your religious organization, you have never been taught what the Church is, that it is only made of individual born again believers in Christ that, by that new birth, have only His Spirit for their now eternal life in and through Him. You are a member of that man-made religious organization (GOC), but absent the new birth neither a Christian nor a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. You have only a form of Christianity, not the Spirit of Christ within you. Sorry, but that is not my judgment or desire for you, it is evidenced by your words, what secular things you defend and by your ignorance of the new birth. I wish it were not so!

          • ellinas1

            I know exactly what a church is, and how the term applies in different circumstances. It is you, who refuses to accept what is and is not.
            Remember the first churches (not the buildings) but the assembly of the Faithful or “ekklisia” as it was and still is called today, had an “episkopos” who was ordained by the disciples.

          • Neiman

            No, you think Church means the Greek Orthodox Church – it does not. It never did! That, like the Catholic Church and Protestant Denominations are man made religious organizations not the Body of Christ.

            The word bishop/elder has been perverted into a priestly class that have perverted Christ’s Church to rule over the people, which was never intended, they were simply mature Christians anointed by the Holy Spirit and only recognized by the Apostles. You keep wanting to take the Spirit out of the Church.

          • ellinas1

            You sir are out of your mind making statements like this one: “No, you think Church means the Greek Orthodox Church – it does not. It never did!”

            I will remind you what you said earlier: “I have never said whatever I believe is right and whatever others believe is wrong.”
            Here you are, doing what you denied doing.
            You want to even tell me I think Church means the Greek Orthodox Church. With all due respect sir, are you nuts? Have you fallen off your rocker?

          • Neiman

            More childish tantrums?

            You are as big a liar as Gay Bob. I have not said I was right, I only tell you that the Bible does not voice approval of the Greek Orthodox Church as His organism on earth and does not mention such a Church in the Bible.

            I have spoken of the Apostolic Faith, to which I humbly include myself as a believer, saved ONLY by grace through faith and a member of His Body, the only Church on earth and you have insisted it is the Greek Orthodox Church.

          • ellinas1

            There you go again hiding behind the Bible and insisting you are the source of everything that is true, correct and right, while all others are either liars or are mistaken.

            As I have frequently stated, you are a member of a recent cult, that is a recent offshoot of a recently invented man made religion that is unable to trace it’s origins back to the time of the Apostles.

          • Neiman

            “hiding behind the Bible?’ What a strange thing, a sad thing for a person claiming Christianity to assert, as if that is a fault, a sin, it is quite odd for anyone claiming Christianity, to think that standing behind God’s Word is a bad place to stand. That person surely betrays no real love for God or His Word.

            Is there any other place a true Christian would stand when opposing the spirit of this world, a spirit of wickedness that you seem to share in your pro-homosexuality and pro-abortion beliefs? I simply cannot imagine any true Christian would have or could have ever viewed standing on God’s Word, the Holy Bible as “hiding.” Each time you post, you seem to keep exposing your lack of faith in Christ Jesus, Who is the Living Word of God, it is the Bible that testifies of Him.

            I use the Bible and stand on it and you keep insisting falsely that this equals my thinking that I am right and all others wrong in all things, versus what you should know; that the Bible, God’s Word, is always right, not any man, not me, it is the Lord of glory in the Word Who is right on all matters and you simply reject Him and His Word as being infallible. By such an attitude surely you are outside Christ. You should look at your words and see how often you place yourself above God’s Word, being a god unto yourself in some matters and not a servant of Christ, not one humbled before Him for your many sins, being repentant and looking to Him as your Savior.

            You can repeat whatever you want, you have NO proof at all. I trace my faith in the Bible, to the Apostolic faith and to no man made religious organization like the false Greek Orthodox Church, which is not once supported by God’s Word as an organization. You seem to hate it, it causes you fear, because you know that I have rejected all but God’s Word as the rule of my life. Once again, I have never been a member of the Roman Catholic Church, any Orthodox Church or any Protestant Denomination – NEVER, I have only and always walked with Christ the best I can, outside of man’s organized religion, all being to varying degrees contrary to Christ. You can pretend otherwise all you want, I have factually stated the case.

            If you continue in the GOC, you may continue to call yourself a Christian and hope that membership in that man-made Church can save you; but, I hope you will come, by the urging of the Holy Spirit, to admit you are deserving of everlasting damnation, being guilty of innumerable sins. Then I pray that will cause you to repent of those sins, and then accept Salvation by Grace alone, by faith alone in Christ Jesus alone and find not just Salvation, but true resurrection.
            life.

          • ellinas1

            Ye sir Mr. Neiman. You are hiding behind the Bible, who’s meaning you twist to fit whatever suits your needs.

            There are other places to stand on. The Bible is not the only one. One can stand on dignity and decency which are not contrary to what Jesus teaches.
            One can clearly see that it is impossible for a human being’s mother to copulate with the devil, and one can clearly see that I do not have a sister, as my mother gave birth to three males. You insist that you derive these conclusions from the contents of the Bible.
            The simple truth is, you don’t derive those things from the Bible. Those a figments of your imagination, and or hallucinations.

            Furthermore sir, you don’t have to be a member of the protestant church, or any denomination of that church in order to be a protestant.
            You follow the tenets of the protestant church.
            I hope you will come to your senses and will stop abusing those you hate.

          • Neiman

            A. See, you think standing on the Bible is hiding, you do not love God’s Word at all. No true Christian would thus demean God’s Word or counsel Christians to do else but stand on His Word.

            B. Dignity and decency, while not in themselves wrong, they are words and actions subject to the definitions of frail, finite, sinful to justify men to justify their own evil; thus not reliable measures of anything, certainly not Salvation.
            C. Taking A-B above, it is obvious you see things outside God’s Word as having worth and equality to God’s Word. You do not love His Word and see it as the place to go for all the answers to every question in life, thus proving your practical atheism.
            D. Before we discuss copulating with the devil, we should discuss the many times herein you have invited others to engage in homosexual sex with you. You, like all liberal liars look for any small point to argue, because you know you cannot stand on your own beliefs, as they are indefensible. It is obfuscation, misdirection, it is arguing the meaning of is, rather than admitting adultery.
            E. I told you the truth about my Christian faith, you cannot prove otherwise, you can only repeat your lies over and over like a child.
            F. I only hate my sins, which are many, just as yours are many and so are Saint Gay Bob’s sins – many; and like my Father, I do hate those that by their lies lead souls away from God and into hell, like those that tell gays they are not sinning and have no need for Christ, encouraging them in their sins or that murdering your child is approved by God.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Neiman 95p · 17 minutes ago

            Remember, you started this Old Gary Racist Muslim Bob, I just hate socialist Americans, you know Democrats, Liberals, those God hating folk.

            So, were you lying then, or are you lying now, Old Pal?

          • Neiman

            You just cannot stop lying, I am not your pal. Why should I answer a liar?

            I was not lying either time, it is your evil nature that makes you say such things. Those liberal, socialist Americans (not specific persons, as a group) do lie souls into hell, that is their stock in trade. They say those things God calls evil to be good and those things He calls good to be evil, to drag souls into hell with themselves. It is the nature of socialism/liberalism which is always hostile to Christ and people of faith, as they want submission to the State. I do not say such things lightly, I spoke truthfully both times.

            Like I said earlier, you are incapable of debating issues, all you have are lies, copy/paste lies mostly, and vacuous, inane, nonsensical ravings in place of intelligent discussion. Why? They know, you know, you cannot win on the facts, you know that if you have to debate the issues on the facts the people will see the evil in liberalism and flee from you. So, you are steeped in lies and unwilling to debate like adults.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, I’m fairly certain in your last comment you seemed to say you wouldn’t answer my question and then answered my question.

            Is there any doubt in your mind that you are wacky?

            I disagree with your characterization of liberalism. Quite the contrary, it is conservatives who typically act outside of Our Lord’s teachings.

          • Neiman

            Once again, you start by lying, by calling me your pal. This is also a result of your sick, homosexual obsession with me, wherein you archive my every word to ponder day and night and you search SAB and the internet daily trying to seek me out, like a sick cyber stalker.

            Again you lie, why am I surprised, I asked myself really, why I should respond to such a liar, but for the sake of others that your lies not prevail, and unlike you because I am transparent and honest, I provided a full, mature, intelligent reply, knowing you were incapable of such a reply or one without your usual lies.

            There is no doubt in my mind you are demon possessed.

            You are an admitted non-Christian and because of that, you cannot possibly know God’s Teachings and He is not your Lord as you have refused His Salvation in Christ. Your father Satan, the fallen angels and demons, just like you, confess Almighty God is real, but they like you reject Jesus as their only Savior and Lord and sadly, like you they are all condemned to everlasting torments.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            So, Old Pal, you’re not down with the Big Guy’s whole judge not deal then?

            By the way, you’re not my pal, Old Pal.

          • ellinas1

            A. You are not standing on the Bible.
            You are hiding behind the Bible by interpreting it to means whatever you want it to mean and the hell with everybody else because you are the only one that is right about everything that has to do with the Bible.

            B. Dignity and decency are not mere words.
            You know darn well what they their meaning is.

            C. Taking A-B above leads us to D below.

            D. There you go, like a common coward, avoiding responsibility for your actions by attempting to deflect attention from your vile pronouncements and/or not stating that which is true and proper.

            E. Yes. You told me the truth about your Christian faith.

            The truth as you see it, is not what the “Truth” is.
            A person cannot judge oneself with self made standards, which only apply to himself and no one else.

            F. If you truly hated your sins, you would not repeat them.
            You would not purposely be less than truthful, nor would you accuse people of vile acts that they have never committed.

          • Neiman

            A. As I said, no real Christian would ever, they could never accuse anyone of hiding behind God’s Word, as they know that is the only safe place for any Christian to be, it is the only sure place. I do not interpret Scripture, as it interprets itself and I earnestly strive to only use what the passages actually say. Lastly, if you are opposing God’s Word, as you often do in Roman’s One, where God condemns homosexuality, it is you that is interpreting the Bible and calling that which He calls evil to be good. You do not seem to depend on God’s Word for anything at all, you even accuse God of either being ignorant about homosexuality being innate as you have determined it to be or of causing confusion and division by Him not telling us the Truth and in every case, that means he cannot be God at all. You seem to often hold yourself as being greater than God, you certainly appear to have no love of His Word and by refusing to confess Christ, it seems no love of Jesus, in fact it seems you are ashamed of Him.

            B. Dignity and decency are mere word, human concepts, subject to personal definition of each man, their not meaning the same thing to all people. These words are subject to perversion by frail, finite, sinful men, well like liberals. They are not immutable facts of life, they are relative words and subject to change.

            C. You had nothing to offer.

            D. Unlike you I do take responsibility for my every word and action, sometimes in repentance, the latter of which is an alien concept to you. Everything I stated I stand behind.

            E. I have no self made standards, I have the book (Holy Bible), that you reject, edit and hate – while the Holy Bible and the Holy Spirit are my guide into all truth. What I state from God’s Word applies to all men in all situations. It meets perfectly every exigency of life

            F. You have often invited people, especially Robert108 to perform oral sex on you and you on him, it is a matter of the record, you must take responsibility for your words and actions. You have not proved in any case wherein I have been less than truthful, in fact your entire comments were based on an illusion, there were no facts presented above, no documented evidence, just a child waiting for Gay Bob to come and rescue you and in the meanwhile trusting in your frail, wicked, human emotions.

          • ellinas1

            A. You have convinced yourself that you are right, and nothing anyone can say will matter.
            This is classic cult behaviour.
            The scripture does not interpret it self through divine intervention, nor does it come alive and whisper sweet nothings in your ear.
            You interpret it any way you want and the way it suits your needs, all the while you stay within the protestant tradition.
            You are obsessed with homosexuality and homosexuals.
            Not a healthy thing. Seek help.

            B. Dignity and decency are two Godly and noble characteristics which you lack. Explaining it away with BS and attempting to dismiss them, explains and exposes your character flaws.
            Not a good thing. Seek guidance.

            C. God gave us a brain to use. You do not use the gift that God gave you.
            Never reject that which God gives you.

            D. Do you really? I have seen no evidence of you taking responsibility for the vile accusations you make. You just say: If John the Baptist and Jesus did it and said it so can I.

            E. You do have self made standards.

            F.More vile things coming out of that sewer that is also known as your mouth.
            Your mind and mouth stink. Wash ‘em.

          • Neiman

            Not one fact above, no like Gay Bob, there is no rational, intelligent discussion; just mindless, childish attacks by you. You engage in a lot of accusations without any proof, no everlasting standards to apply, certainly as you seem to have such disdain for it, nothing from God’s Word. Well, that is okay, it is just that you have this pretense at Christianity and argue against God’s Word, while you never rely on His Word at all.

            That is the supreme arrogance that will, I fear, lead you to hell, you refuse the submit yourself to God’s Word, thinking your mind is greater than God’s Word, while God calls the wisdom of men, those like you relying on your own emotions and frail human judgments as foolishness before Him. He laughs at those like yourself that would trust their own judgments, not submitting all things to His Word.

            I feel sorry for you and I reject your false characterizations of me. I will stand with God in all things and you can stand on your own faulty and substandard intellect and we shall see whom falls or stands. For me, despite my failures (you have never admitted any), I have accepted God’s Salvation by His Grace, I accepted it by faith and that faith is in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus, now being born again of his spirit, I am assured by His Word of eternal life.

            Note: About homosexuality, yes I admit I am a bit obsessed with homosexuality, because I see it destroying so many precious souls. that without repentance and turning from their homosexual desires, they will suffer everlasting torments and I would like to see as many rescued for Christ as possible, while you and your fellow travelers do not care if they wind up in hell, as long as you are politically stylish and liberal and feel popular here in this wicked world.

          • slackwarerobert

            F. Unless you are a muslim convert. Should take a while to get away from lies are ok if it gets what you want. Especially with are bang boy but pope leading the way. I don’t care what the bible says on any minute topic, god said I can keep my guns, and the united states agreed with him. that is all that is important.

          • ellinas1

            What are you mumbling about?

            You know any muslim converts?
            They lied to you? Damn those bastards.
            I suggest you make a large sign/placard, and post it in their front yard.
            Make sure the sign has written on it their lies so everybody will know.

            You keep your damn guns and I’ll keep mine.

          • Neiman

            I have made my position clear, you reject it because you follow a man-made religious organization steeped in tradition and ritual and one not having the Spirit of Christ, it being a false Church.

            I do not now nor have I ever belonged to any religious denomination, I have told you that many times. I am a Bible believing (the Bible you mostly reject) Christian adhering to the faith taught by Christ and the Apostles and you do not and that is the truth.

            Get this straight, I am not a Catholic, not of the man-made Orthodox RELIGION, I am not a Protestant as I have never joined any such denomination. I am an authentic First Century Christian, saved by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ; alone, and nothing you can say will change that fact nor will other practical atheists in your support, while you as a kind of Orthodox fake-Christian believing Christianity is of works of the flesh, which works even you fail to adhere to with any consistency. So, you are even a bad Orthodox fake-Christian.

          • ellinas1

            I am also making my position clear.
            You belong to, and are a follower of man made religion, your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
            Get this straight. You may not be Catholic or Orthodox Christian, but your beliefs are rooted and steeped in the Protestant tradition.
            You are not an authentic First Century Christian.

            There is no such beast. First century Christians did not believe in bearing arms to protect themselves from the “evil government”. They happily went to their death for their faith singing “kumbaya my Lord”.

          • Neiman

            Utter nonsense and gross ignorance. Jesus never spoke against serving in the military and even spoke to them in Christian terms. Commending the faith of a centurion.

            Next, my faith is in Christ only, not in tradition of any group of believers, just because you are not an authentic Christian devoted to Christ above all things, refrain from accusing of others of having your lack of faith and being a humanist religionist like you are.

            They never sang “kumbaya” in the New Testament, it was penned in the 1930’s and I am not surprised you refer to it, it is a humanist song and not Christian at all.

          • Guest

            Ellinas1 is 100% correct on this one. It is your choice that you are a moral relativistic Christian, that is what happens when you outright reject portions of the Bible and change the parts you didn’t reject. If you have done so in good faith, God will be merciful on your soul.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Neiman does make up a pretty good right wing god though.
            Gotta give him that.

          • Guest

            God is perfect, He is neither “right wing” nor “left wing”.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Not Neiman’s god.

          • Neiman

            As you have presented absolutely no Christian credentials upon which one may project some knowledge on your behalf, there is absolutely no reason I should take your nonsense seriously. If you say I reject and change portions of the Bible, which ones exactly, be very specific with each passage and ready to defend your accusations. You will not of course do anything of the sort, as you are just shooting off your mouth and have absolutely no proof, just wild, liberal, anti-Christian lies.

          • Guest

            I answer to Him and to Him alone.

          • Neiman

            So, you have no such credentials, you are a carnal man pretending some knowledge of God.

            NEXT

            This was a cowardly answer, your Him could be anyone, your god any false god.

            NEXT

            Do you hereby confess Jesus as your only Savior and the absolute Lord of your life?

            NEXT
            Also, notice you, like a coward, did not offer any biblical passages that I have rejected or edited, so you lied didn’t you?

          • Guest

            What Christian could down-vote that?

          • Neiman

            It depend upon whom “Him” is, it is a very generic term used by many religions. Even Muslims and Mormons make this admission.

            You have failed to confess Jesus as your only Savior* and the absolute Lord of every part of your life. Thus, your words are meaningless and deceptive.

            *There is no other way unto salvation except by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Without a Neiman issued Jesus badge, you’re nothing.

            Problem is, there is only one badge and Neiman keeps it up on his shelf, protected by his pals vitriol, bigotry and ignorance.

    • PK

      7point62. In my opinion you seem to be the most generally knowledgeable person that comments on here. But i see this whole conflict between the Jewish/Christian and Islam people differently. I think we need to pull back further and see that both sides are being manipulated by the elite, who are openly devil worshipers. They go to things like Bohemian Grove, where they do a mock sacrifice of a child to Moloch of the Bible. They’ve infiltrated the masons and turned that into a sun worship. There are all kinds of fraternal orders that have the same sun worship themes, but always wrapped in a camouflage of Christianity, Judaism or Islam. All their corporations use pagan sun symbols. The Star of David is actually pagan in origin. The ancient false religion is everywhere. The Jewish people’s number one enemy in the Bible were those who worshiped idols and foreign gods like Ba’al, Astaroth, Moloch, Azazel, Ba’alzebub, Dagon, Abaddon, etc. They are the fallen angels and they hate mankind, God’s creation, and Gods chosen people are the Hebrews, which is why they’ve been persecuted throughout history as well as Christians. They turned away from the Lord a long time ago. Looking at today’s situation, it’s an undeniable fact that radical Islam was created by western intelligence including the Israeli Mossad. Their leadership have had connections with western intelligence up to today and we’re using Al-Qaeda in Syria now after they took down Egypt and Libya. Our best ally in the middle east is Saudi Arabia, the number one terrorist recruiting country in history. Nobody’s innocent in all of this and both sides are being played off against each other by the elite to create that last Great War that will fully vulcanize everything into a world government and religion. This doesn’t have to happen. Christ doesn’t need it to happen to return, but sadly the devil’s delusion that God allows will make it inevitable. I’m not buying into it though because i know there’s no pre-tribulation rapture. Buckle your seat belt, the next few decades are going to be rough.

      • $8194357

        Have you studied up any on the 12th iman or the Mahddi?
        The two islamic versions of the “second coming”.
        Modern jihadist islam is definatley not a western inteliigence
        made fantasy…These two entititys (12th iman and mahddi)
        go back to the same Old Testement pagan entities as well…
        They command islam to “cleanse the earth” with
        “jewish and infidel blood”
        for the preperation of their appearance…(arab spring?)
        allah is a morph of and old Testement god of “violence” called alla…..
        IMHO, what was old is becoming new again as satan gets ready to out
        his one world government agendas for the rise of the anti christ…
        Thank you for the compliment and I see you have been seeing/understanding alot of it for what it is and whats happening in
        these last days as well….
        God Bless, now Hear?

        • PK

          Yes i understand Islam itself is very pagan and is a false religion, that has a particularly important purpose in the dragon’s plan. But it’s a false religion, so it’s end times scenario, while interesting, doesn’t shape my core belief system. But Christianity has also been infiltrated by the devil. December 25 is the ancient winter solstice and the sun god’s birthday. It doesn’t say in the Bible that Christ was born on that day. Easter is the festival of Ishtar and we don’t even celebrate the death/resurrection to coincide with the Passover, the day the Lamb of God was sacrificed. All our holiday’s have pagan roots. The Roman Catholic Church sets all the Christian holy dates. They changed the sabbath and the list can continue with the inquisitions and child abuse. Protestants follow the Vatican in many things and now there’s this progressive “Christianity” that even denies Christ’s divinity. Weird stuff. There will be false prophets, we know this. Obviously the devil is at work everywhere in the world, so i can’t stand with anybody. I don’t believe Islam will be the anti-Christ’s world religion. It will be his ancient false system that he brought to man which has been in place since recorded history. The worship of the pagan gods, which are literally the devil and his army. Our government doesn’t follow the Constitution anymore. We’re not the same country that was dedicated to Christ in 1789. We need to repent our national sins and return to the original system or it’s over. This country will be subject to the same fate of Old Israel. Many people think that end time Biblical prophecy coming true is a good thing, and do nothing to stop it because they’re getting whisked away from the anti-Christ’s reign. That’s not Biblical, but people believe it. I find no joy in what’s happening and it hurts me because i know there doesn’t have to be doom and destruction, but the devil is manifesting it and people can’t see through the delusion. Jesus wept for Jerusalem because it could’ve all ended right then and there, but the Jews didn’t accept Him, so the story continues. God Bless you too.

          • $8194357

            ( This country will be subject to the same fate of Old Israel.)

            Your right about the pagen holidays and both the protestant and catholic churches being influanced by the devil, his ideologies and false doctrines…I have been telling folks for decades the “church” was making the exact same mistakes as Israel did in the Old Testement and as a result America would suffer the same falling away and enslavement to the devils agendas as well…

            Jesus told us in Mathew that all these theings must happen before the end would come:

            Matthew 24:5-7
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            5
            1 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’
            and will deceive many.

            6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
            See that you are not troubled;
            for all these things must come to pass,
            but the end is not yet.

            7 For nation will rise against nation,
            and kingdom against kingdom.
            And there will be famines, pestilences,
            and earthquakes in various places.

            8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

            9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you,
            and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.

  • $8194357

    Another Sherrif bites the bullet………

    Sheriff Clay N. Whittle of the Columbia County, Georgia Sheriff’s Department, one of the largest Sheriff’s departments in the State of Georgia, has come out openly and stated that he will oppose Federal and State legislation that attempts to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of the citizens of Columbia County. He has also joined other sheriff’s in Georgia like Scott Berry in Boycotting Dana Safety Supply for his department’s needs, since the company will not sell semi-automatic rifles to civilians.
    Sheriff Whittle is proud to promote his department, stating “We are now one of only a few law enforcement organizations in the country to meet the standards necessary to gain the distinction of accreditation. We are also recognized as the first Sheriff’s office accredited in the State of Georgia. Accreditation impacts citizens through consistency of services and professional delivery, and creates a work environment that is performance based.”
    In other words, when Whittle state what he states, it is coming from the mouth of a sheriff whose office is nationally recognized and accredited.

    Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/ga-sheriff-no-one-is-coming-to-our-state-to-violate-the-second-amendment/#ixzz2LUPtWv5f

  • slackwarerobert

    Or you treat the crooks like any other armed intruder in your home, and send them out feet first. Now if they leave their guns off your property and only one enters you will have to decide what to do, but armed breaking and entering, sucks to be the crook sometimes I will be using the armor piercing rounds first just in case.

  • pointofview

    you should care becuase while their taking your guns away they are creating guns that shoot 25 mm bullets that explode through walls. So if the consitution says that citezens should have equal arms to defend themselves, as their own armies do, then there is something fishy going on wouldn`t you say?

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