Voting Rates Were Down In 2008 Election

Proof • July 21, 2009

An interesting development. We’ve heard a lot about the colossal turnout for Obama’s election in 2008, but truth is when you take into account population growth voter turnout was actually down in 2008 when compared to 2004. Meaning, proportionally, more people turned out for Kerry vs. Bush than Obama vs. McCain.

WASHINGTON (AP) – For all the attention generated by last year’s presidential race, census figures show the share of eligible voters who actually went to the polls in November declined from 2004.
Census figures released Monday show about 63.6 percent of eligible voters, or 131.1 million people, cast ballots last November. Although that represented an increase of 5 million voters, the turnout was a decrease when taking into account population growth. In 2004, the voting rate was 63.8 percent.

Here’s perhaps the most interesting aspect:

According to the data, more older whites opted to stay home compared with 2004, citing little interest in supporting either Barack Obama or John McCain.

My guess is that the demographic who chose to stay home trends pretty conservative.
We’re told again and again that Obama’s victory was a mandate for liberalism, but I still think it had more to do with disillusioned conservatives either throwing out a protest vote for Obama or other Democrats or just plain staying home as the numbers above seem to indicate.
I don’t think liberals have been winning elections because they’ve been winning the country over to their world view. I think they’ve been winning elections because they’ve been campaigning against an idealogical vacuum on the right.

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http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

The rates would be a lot lower if it wasn’t for all of the ACORN vote fraud in favor of Obama.
raj58045

We’re told again and again that Obama’s victory was a mandate for liberalism,

This even though the media painted him as more of a centrist. If his true visions for this country would have been accurately demonstrated, and we had a real conservative running against him, I think the outcome might have been quite different.
sayanything-5371

Thanks for reminding me why I left that cesspool of white trash thinking called St. Louis.

Only to move to a cesspool of progressive liberalism where having a corrupt lying faggot child molesting mayor is acceptable and normal.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Still seeking an explanation for your loss so you settle on a 0.2% turnout decrease? LOL

1. Republicans ran the country for much of the last 30 years.

2. People kept waiting for the republicans to work their magic and deliver that no-tax Utopia.

3. The economy melted down taking $14 trillion in household wealth with it.

4. The $14 trillion ended up in Wall Street’s hands.

5. The people feel duped. They were.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

If not for ACORN McCain would have won by a landslide, the debt would disappear, unemployment would drop to zero as would the deficits and we’d all be instant billionaires!
After all, that’s where we were headed until the democrats took control of Congress and ruined everything!
http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

Still seeking an explanation for your loss so you settle on a 0.2% turnout decrease? LOL

1. Republicans ran the country for much of the last 30 years.

2. People kept waiting for the republicans to work their magic and deliver that no-tax Utopia.

3. The economy melted down taking $14 trillion in household wealth with it.

4. The $14 trillion ended up in Wall Street’s hands.

5. The people feel duped. They were.

As Robert108 says, ‘you little parrot’ out there saying the same lies over and over again. The fact remains dumb ass your dead wrong again. The Republican had control from 1994-2006. That it that isn’t 30 years dumb ass. That is 12 years you moron.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

12 VERY destructive years particularly the 6 with a republican president.

But recall that I said conservatism ruled for 30 years as I’ve said so many times. And it did, to the detriment of the country.
FlyOnTheWall

My guess is that the demographic who chose to stay home trends pretty conservative.

You saying McCain wasn’t the awe inspiring, charismatic conservative we all wanted to vote for?!? I am positively numb with shock at the thought!
Still voted for him. Worse than Bush is still better than Obama. That and he was really old, he had to check out sometime.
Mickey

I said it from day one. 10% to 15% of Republican voters sat this one out. 2012 will be different.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Yes Mickey, then the country will rue the day it dared elect a non-conservative!

Say Mickey-stem, why don’t you tell us what the magic republicans will do as an encore to their rousing success in governing from 2001 to 2006?

Will they cut taxes again? Can’t, there’s no where to cut and we’re already living with the debt and deficits from the bush tax cuts, reagan tax cuts, etc.

Will they deregulate the financial markets again? Um, sure, give that a try!

Will they shut down the government and let pandemonium ensue? Good Luck with that!

So tell us, what tricks do republicans have in their little bag?

I often wish they would have maintained their grip on power longer, not losing Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008. By this time we’d be hunting those assholes with dogs and the heads of bush, cheney, gingrich, mcconnell, limbaugh and hannity would be impaled on stakes outside the Capitol as a warning to the other conservatives.
robert108

Yes Mickey, then the country will rue the day it dared elect a non-conservative!

We already regret that! This incompetent Marxist/black nationalist in the White House is running our economy into the ground.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

The rates would be a lot lower if it wasn’t for all of the ACORN vote fraud in favor of Obama. — The Whistler

ACORN wasn’t involved in voting, only registrations. Total ACORN vote fraud? Zero.
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

ACORN wasn’t involved in voting, only registrations. Total ACORN vote fraud? Zero.

This is a bogus distraction. “We didn’t cast fraudulant votes…we just fradulantly registered a lot of people, and some of them later voted.”

Semantics.
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

If not for ACORN McCain would have won by a landslide, the debt would disappear, unemployment would drop to zero as would the deficits and we’d all be instant billionaires!
After all, that’s where we were headed until the democrats took control of Congress and ruined everything!

Deficits went down every year til the Dems took Congress.

Hmmm….

30 years of conservative rule

Repeat a lie often enough. Some people will eventually believe it.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

Kenny, let me guess, you have evidence that there were fraudulent votes as a result of ACORN activities?

What bugs you right-wing nutjobs is that ACORN was effective at registering poor people in the cities. People that overwhelming support the Democrats.
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

What bugs you right-wing nutjobs is that ACORN was effective at registering poor people in the cities. People that overwhelming support the Democrats.

When too stupid to make a point, accuse your opponent of racism.

You’re nothing if not foolish.

With the stories of ACORN deliberately registering some people over a hundred times each, paying people to register, dropping off registrations as close to the deadline as possible to gum up the works, every rational person who hears about ACORN opposes it.

Dishonest asshats with a political agenda like yourself defend them.
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

Yes, and your agenda is as pure as the driven snow.
All you people care about is money and finding a way of avoiding paying your bills to live here.

My agenda is the truth.

And I pay my bills.

Piss of you parasitical little STD.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Dishonest asshats with a political agenda like yourself defend them.

Yes, and your agenda is as pure as the driven snow.

All you people care about is money and finding a way of avoiding paying your bills to live here.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

My agenda is the truth. — Kenny

You’re an ACORN-truther, you are insane.

Where is all the evidence for fraudulently cast votes because of ACORN activities?
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Thanks for reminding me why I left that cesspool of white trash thinking called St. Louis.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

And why I don’t cross the Cascades to visit another cesspool of white trash thinking.
Hannitized

What Kenny doesn’t tell you

With the stories of ACORN deliberately registering some people over a hundred times each, paying people to register,

Their were people ripping off ACORN by registering people multiple times to get paid. It was not ACORNs intention or instructions.

dropping off registrations as close to the deadline as possible to gum up the works, every rational person who hears about ACORN opposes it.

Every organization drops off registration close to the deadline. So what?

And opposes what, exactly?

Dishonest asshats with a political agenda like yourself defend them.

The organization has it’s problems, like so many others, but you didn’t name one of them.

You only parroted the right-wing talking points that are of no relevance.

There was no fraudulent voting, and that is the only things that matters, because that is what you believe their intent was.

You criticize the failures of the system, ignoring the accomplishments and then fail to provide evidence that any crime was committed.

Hackeriferous.
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

You’re an ACORN-truther, you are insane.
Where is all the evidence for fraudulently cast votes because of ACORN activities?

I dont have to prove such a thing because I never claimed it.

I pointed out that committing voter registration fraud is trying to commit vote fraud.

As an idiot, you called me a racist, and now demand I prove that ACORN cast fake ballots.

You are still as wrong as before. But you’re sounding more ridiculous in trying to defend your idiocy.
Hannitized

Here! Educate yourself Kenny!

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/10/obama_acorn_and_voter_fraud_my.html
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

There’s two problems with the evidence above. One, ACORN does incentivize getting more registrations, as documented by multiple charges:

http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_12295184?nclick_check=1

So since their workers are paid to get as many names as possible it gives rise to fraud.

Two, knowingly trying to register people more than once is a crime:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm

So, if this one dude is registered 72 times, ACORN is trying to flout the law with this “we have to turn in all registrations” nonsense.

Let’s repeat this. If knowingly registering twice is a crime, knowingly registering someone twice is a crime. And turning in registrations that you have fradulantly obtained is therefore a crime.
Hannitized

For complete details on the ACORN story, see The BRAD BLOG’s excellent special coverage here, and our own blog here. But in brief:

ACORN is required by law to turn in all applications for registration, even those that they suspect are fraudulent.

ACORN flags for election officials those applications which appear to be fraudulent.

ACORN does not try to get fraudulent registration applications accepted by the states in which they work.

Rightwing operatives use the flagged registration forms that ACORN turns in as “proof” that they submit fraudulent registration forms. They refuse to admit or acknowledge that ACORN is following the law and that they flag suspicious forms and bring them to the attention of election officials and law enforcement.

ACORN pays canvassers by the hour, not by the form. There is zero financial incentive to turn in fraudulent forms.

From a statement put out by ACORN in Nevada:

For the past 10 months, any time ACORN has identified a potentially fraudulent application, we turn that application in to election officials separately and offer to provide election officials with the information they would need to pursue an investigation or prosecution of the individual.

Election officials routinely ignored this information and failed to act.

Watch the video and spread it around. Contact the media. Try to get the truth out about ACORN, voter registration, and the rightwing’s efforts to win the election by suppressing and disenfrachisng voters.
Spread the word…

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/186

Obama, ACORN, And Voter Fraud Myths Dispelled:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

Second time now that you’ve accused me of calling you a racist. You were the first to mention race (you used the word `racism’, do a search) in this thread.

Please apologize.

And why is ACORN accountable for the seven employees that acted fraudulently? ACORN was required to hand on all filled in registrations. The suspicious ones were flagged before handing them on too. How was ACORN acting inappropriately?
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Hey, if the stems want to console themselves that Obama won because of ACORN fraud, let them.

They still lost. They lost it all in less than 3 short years. Their future isn’t looking too bright either.

It’s one thing to offer mindless opposition in order to please the whack job base. It’s quite another to try and get elected while maintaining that destructive stance.
Hannitized

Kenny has no out, he is just repeating the same nonsense.

He is confusing that it is a crime for a person to register themselves twice and the act of and organization purposefully registering a person twice with the law of having to submit a registration form and then scrutinizing it for accuracy and legitimacy.

Fool.
Hannitized

Notice Kenny only provided a story of a guy who registered 72 times, but only voted once. None of the ACORN people asked him to vote twice!

There is no motive other than the employees trying to make their quota.

Yes, voter “registration” fraud is a crime, but you have to show an organization is coordinating the fraud purposefully and ACORN as an organization is not guilty of that.
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

He is confusing that it is a crime for a person to register themselves twice and the act of and organization purposefully registering a person twice with the law of having to submit a registration form and then scrutinizing it for accuracy and legitimacy.

This is not confusion.

If it is illegal for the person to do it, it is illegal for the organization to do it. Knowingly registering a person multiple times is a felony.

Sorry, H. Keep trying to pump yourself up. You’re not right here.

Second time now that you’ve accused me of calling you a racist. You were the first to mention race (you used the word `racism’, do a search) in this thread.
Please apologize.

Oh, don’t play games. We both know that your little snide quote of Republicans hating ACORN for registering poor city dwellers is a way to accuse of racism. Whenever voter disenfranchisement is brought up its a call of racism.

No apology is coming.
http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

Yep Hannitized, and Kenny has gone all quiet now. Whistler hasn’t tried to back up his bogus claim either.

The rates would be a lot lower if it wasn’t for all of the ACORN vote fraud in favor of Obama. — The Whistler
http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

Oops, Kenny, too stupid to realize he has lost, shows up again to be smacked down.

I made the reference to low-income city dwellers to differentiate them from low-income rednecks and fundies (the conservative base). You are the one assuming race or ethnicity.

So an apology would be nice thanks.
Hannitized

If it is illegal for the person to do it, it is illegal for the organization to do it. Knowingly registering a person multiple times is a felony.

He still doesn’t get it. He can’t quite grasp the concept that ACORN, as an organization, has to be proven as willfully and intentionally registering a person twice, on purpose. Acorn is not guilty of that.

He is basically saying that if a MacDonald’s employee stole money from the register, McDonald’s is guilty of theft, because he was working for Macdonald’s when he broke the law.

Lame.
Hannitized

And AV, you did not come close to calling him a racist, not at all.

But, watch this AV….I am going to shut his argument down with one easy question.

Kenny,

Was the individual who registered 72 times being prosecuted for voter registration fraud or voter fraud?

You just said it was illegal for a person to register more than once to vote. He registered 72 times. Is he being prosecuted, yes or no?

If no, why not?
http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

Oops, Kenny, too stupid to realize he has lost, shows up again to be smacked down.

Oh, is that what’s happening? I missed the part where you were smacking me down. Or being logical. Regardless.

I made the reference to low-income city dwellers to differentiate them from low-income rednecks and fundies (the conservative base). You are the one assuming race or ethnicity.
So an apology would be nice thanks.

Even this bs defense brings race into the question. What’s the difference between a low income city dweller and a low income redneck? Mostly the color.

And what does one usually mean with redneck? Racist white trailer trash. (Also, incest jokes are common.)

Apology aint happening.

He still doesn’t get it. He can’t quite grasp the concept that ACORN, as an organization, has to be proven as willfully and intentionally registering a person twice, on purpose. Acorn is not guilty of that.

Um, yea, they are.

This is why their headquarters have been raided all over the US and people keep getting charged with voter fraud.

He is basically saying that if a MacDonald’s employee stole money from the register, McDonald’s is guilty of theft, because he was working for Macdonald’s when he broke the law.
Lame.

Of course that’s not the same thing at all and we know it. In the McDonald’s case, the employee is stealing from teh company. The company is not instructing him to steal.

In ACORN, the employee, working on behalf of the company, is filling a quota. Granted, there will be honest mistakes. Some people will accidently sign up twice, or three times. An employee cannot be held at fault for such things.

When the person says “sorry, I registered already” and the employee asks them to do it again, that’s no longer an accident. And when your employees are doing it all over the country, it’s not an isolated incident.

The main question is: if ACORN is not at fault, why does it keep happening? The common defense of “laziness” doesn’t make sense. Why would someone go to the work of filling out dozens of fradulant registrations when they could just say “no one wanted to sign up”?

http://vodpod.com/watch/1597575-acornbeck-blame-the-victims

This is problematic for rational people. It keeps happening. The same thing. Over and over. And over and over. Not in one location. But over 16 states.

I could believe it happened by employee laziness with a quota system. But ACORN has repeatedly denied having such a system. So what is it?

You just said it was illegal for a person to register more than once to vote. He registered 72 times. Is he being prosecuted, yes or no?
If no, why not?

I have no clue. And if not, I don’t know because I am not a prosecutor, a clerk, a DA, a judge, a court assistant or anyone else who’d have a clue as to how the DAs mind works.

Does this shut down my argument? Not at all.

Silence from Kenny, eh AV?

You know, it’s funny how for someone who mocks people for being here all the time, you EXPECT people to be here all the time. I haven’t refuted your tripe because I haven’t been here, putz.

My life doesn’t revolve around SAB like yours seems too.
Hannitized

Of course that’s not the same thing at all and we know it. In the McDonald’s case, the employee is stealing from teh company. The company is not instructing him to steal.

And strangely, you haven’t produce ANY evidence or ANY claim that ACORN instructed their employees to break knowingly and falsely register a person more than once.

Of course they are the same, you just won’t admit it.

When the person says “sorry, I registered already” and the employee asks them to do it again, that’s no longer an accident. And when your employees are doing it all over the country, it’s not an isolated incident.

It’s a crime to knowingly register a person more than once intentionally and it’s a crime to intentionally steal. You are not making any sense.

Crime and theft occurs all over the country in the same companies. Home depot is a prime example of that.

The main question is: if ACORN is not at fault, why does it keep happening? The common defense of “laziness” doesn’t make sense. Why would someone go to the work of filling out dozens of fradulant registrations when they could just say “no one wanted to sign up”?

For the same reason why sales people keep knocking on the same doors, collecting business cards, or go into retaurants and grab business cards from the fishbowl. So they can go back to their manager and say they visited their 5-10 customers a day, as expected.

People do stupid things when they have a quota, and are supposed to show results everyday.

How is ACORN supposed to know if a person is sitting around or getting people to register to vote? They use a quota system to ensure proper levels of productivity.

You just don’t get it dude.

This is problematic for rational people. It keeps happening. The same thing. Over and over. And over and over. Not in one location. But over 16 states.

I could believe it happened by employee laziness with a quota system. But ACORN has repeatedly denied having such a system. So what is it?

Because when you have a quota system around the country, the same results arise around the country. The law insists that there are checks and balances to catch these types of mistakes and they do, they just don’t report that.

What you keep failing to prove is that this registration fraud resulted in any voter fraud, and it has not. Why? Because the registration fraud is a systemic problem with their approach, which is also the reason why they were so successful.

And lastly, you confuse investigations with guilt. The reason why there is so much attention is because people like you keep repeating false accusations and who are confused by the situation.

The constant attention combined with real mistakes with the successful method that increases both legal and false registrations needs to be addressed.

You. Just. Don’t. Get. It.
Hannitized

You just said it was illegal for a person to register more than once to vote. He registered 72 times. Is he being prosecuted, yes or no?
If no, why not?

I have no clue. And if not, I don’t know because I am not a prosecutor, a clerk, a DA, a judge, a court assistant or anyone else who’d have a clue as to how the DAs mind works.

Does this shut down my argument? Not at all.

You chose not to answer or even look into the issue because you know that he is not being prosecuted.

The reason he is not being prosecuted for THE CRIME he committed, KNOWINGLY, is because he was caught up in scenario where he was breaking the law without intent to cheat.

The same is true for ACORN. You just won’t admit that.

If this guy can break the law and not have intent to cheat, so could ACORN’s employees, and ACORN.

It is a systemic problem with the method that has produced increased results, in both directions that caused the investigations that will prove Acorn had no intent to cheat.
badlands4

Only to move to a cesspool of progressive liberalism where having a corrupt lying faggot child molesting mayor is acceptable and normal.

Sorry, don’t mean to single you out solely, because there is plenty of nasty stuff that goes around, but no need for that! the bolded word is the gay equivalent of the N word in intent…come on..please let’s all grow up! I know nothing about this mayor, so I can’t say if your overall claim is correct, but even if it is, you would be equating his disgusting behavior with those of every member of the gay community, and sorry, but it just isn’t fair.

It can be impossible sometimes to figure out what a thread is actually about, becuase it so quickly degenerates into a free for all middle school food fight, and it is both sides.

Sorry, I don’t know why I bother..sigh I refuse to believe this is how you all would talk to each other, if you met face to face in a Starbucks, and you had no prior contact with them from this board.
Hannitized

Silence from Kenny, eh AV?

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