Violent Crime Up 40% In Anti-Gun Washington DC

In the DC vs. Heller decision the Supreme Court ruled that blanket bans on firearms were unconstitutional for federal enclaves such as the District of Columbia. The ruling did leave the door open to regulations on gun ownership, so while DC authorities cannot outright ban handguns and the like as they have in the past, they can make purchases, possessing and carrying them so legally arduous that they may as well be banned.

Which is exactly what they’ve done since the ruling. Authorities are using things such as zoning ordinances to keep gun stores out, for instance.

So when we hear that violent crimes are up 40% in Washington DC it’s not because of some new surge in gun possession/carry (via Bruce Oksol):

Violent crime so far this year in the District of Columbia has spiked sharply — a 40 percent increase that includes twice as many robberies at gunpoint than at this time last year.

The crime rate is increasing this year after a downward trend — the number of reported homicides last year dropped to the lowest level in a half-century.

Homicides were the only category of violent crime to decline in the first six weeks this year. As of Thursday, the city had recorded 10 homicides compared with 11 at a similar point last year.

Overall, though, incidents of violent crime — homicides, sexual assaults, robberies and assaults with deadly weapons — are rising at an alarming pace.

Maybe if some of these victims had been allowed to arm themselves there wouldn’t have been so many crimes. As it stands now, Washington DC is open season for criminals because the citizens there cannot defend themselves even after the Supreme Court upheld their right to bear arms.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Bat One

    Not surprisingly, the Democrat-controlled District also spends nearly $20,000 per year per pupil in its government schools, but has the highest dropout rate of any major metropolitan school system.

    • $8194357

      It gets old I know…
      But again, one more time.
      More “intended unintended consequences”….
      Ban guns crime goes up..Crime goes up more “State” laws resulting in freedoms lost…
      It is from “simple structure” complex ideolgies come…

  • Mr Ratnational

    But, but, but, but, but, but the guns are banned, why are criminals using them?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Because when guns are illegal, only criminals have guns.

      • Lsk1000

        Crims buy guns that were for the most part originally purchased legally. Then they are re-sold by unethical gun holders. The more guns the more blackmarket gun sold to crims. Cant anyone figure this out.

        • Leh1369

          There are unethical gun buyers out there.  There is no question about that however you sure seem to follow the BS line that never mentions the scum obtaining guns by burglary and other unlawful means.  Kinda like the gument giving guns to the mexican criminals, thru non-enforcement of gun laws.  Remember what happened in VA several years ago when they really started enforcing the present gun laws.  You couldn’t give a gun to a criminal because they KNEW they were going to the big house and for a long time.  What ever happened to that law enforcement????????? 

        • Wayne

          WTF?  That explains it all?  You don’t use that brain much do ya?

        • slackwarerobert

          But for the price of one legal gun in DC, you could buy a CNC machine and crank them out every two to three days in your basement.
          Gun sales are slowly becoming irrelevant.

          When they outlaw guns, I will make a mint selling guns to all.  It worked for the kennedy’s.

      • red 6

        i carry a gun because a cop is too heavy

        • SigFan

           Woman to a guy with a 1911 in his holster:

          “Why do you carry a .45?”

          Guy:

          “Because they don’t make a .46.”

          • Bat One

            As you know, they do make .50s.

          • SigFan

            Did you ever see that video of the young woman clocking herself when firing a Desert Eagle? Those things are hand cannons – literally.

          • borborygmi

            It did look painfull

          • $8194357

            A Dem or Republican “porker” their Bat?

          • $8194357

            Or because shooting more than once would be silly?

            I carry a 9mm because my shirt says:
             I only carry $20 worth of ammunition at a time . Is that enough for you to die for?

            And besides….I just like busting caps..

          • SigFan

             One of my favorite shirts says:

            “Gun control is a nice, tight five-shot group.”

            I always get odd looks when people see that – can’t imagine why.  My wife’s favorite joke when she straps her Kahr Arms 9mm on is; “Does this gun make me look fat?”

        • $8194357

          Michelle needs to limit their donut intake!

        • 2hotel9

           I carry because it is my God given, Constitutionally protected Right.

          • borborygmi

            I don’t carry because it is my God given, Constitutionally protected Right.    Have you ever thought, if God gave you the right why did man have to codify it? 

          • Neiman

            This as other rights were “self-evident” and thus codified to make sure others could not deny their existence.

          • $8194357

            Because the left won’t accept God given rights or Liberty…As a matter of fact Marx is on record saying that “Man cannot reach his full potential untill the Jews and Christians are wiped totaly away because their morals, religious and western culture and of course free market capitalism are holding mankind back.”
            Same bill of goods the snake sold adam and eve…

          • borborygmi

            I am not sure where Adam and Eve fit it.  There weren’t any Jews or Christians, and without the serpent you wouldn’t have freedom of choice.  I don’t see free market capitalism mention in Genesis.   There is a lot of knowing and begetting….. Where did all the woman come from and Why was Cain worried about being killed by someone out there when there shouldn’t have been anyone out there.

          • slackwarerobert

            Eve carried.  How do you think she forced Adam to eat the apple.  Adam always thought that GOD would save him, and didn’t think he needed a gun.

          • $8194357

            Eve was “decieved”..
            Adam with knowledge chose to dis-obey…Wow..

          • $8194357

            ( I am not sure where Adam and Eve fit it.  There weren’t any Jews or Christians, and without the serpent you wouldn’t have freedom of choice)

            You missed Marxs intent here borb..This was where mankind fell “collectivly” as the result of the individual..
            without the serpent we wouldn’t have freedom of choice is more than you will ever realize a mouthful of Truth and “part of” Gods design and lessons for mankind, my friend..Choose for “yourself” this day..Evil or Good…By design borb..by design..Love Me and Obey or hate me and go your own way…individually or by your “collective group of choice”..Go figure, huh borb..

          • $8194357

            (Same bill of goods the snake sold adam and eve… )
            You mere mortal men can become your own god and master of your own individual “or” collective destiny and world..You should even build a tower collectivly and tell God…stay out of mans affairs…..Huh borb? “Nothin” we can’t do if we all work together, right…

          • 2hotel9

             My ancestors were armed before the Constitution was written. But we get it, you hate America, you hate individual liberty, you hate the US Constitution.

  • SigFan

    Take every last gun in the country, melt them all into a slag pile and dump it in the ocean.  Within less than a week the criminals will have new weapons – and the citizens will be defenseless.  Which of course would fit right into the coming totalitarian agenda of the left.  Much easier to control an unarmed populace.

    • slackwarerobert

      No, that would raise the sea level and drown all the miscreants.
      But then the drug lords in mexico would have free reign instead of the DC police.

      Until one of the victims who survived goes home gets their gun, and then shoots the city council, things will not change.  If the next bunch doesn’t learn from the mistakes, well there will be another batch, and another.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

       I heard a story a while back, on NPR of all places, about a group of people, who were in the jungle, with no electricity, forging by hand, credible looking copies of Smith & Wesson handguns.

      Good luck eliminating all firearms.

      • SigFan

        It really is just a utopian fantasy on the part of the anti-gunners. Well known technology, easy to reproduce and literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that are capable of doing so. Never going to happen – even if the government would like it to.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

           Plus, as porous as our borders are, unless you slagged down every gun on the planet, the black market would be smuggling them in in no time.

          • SigFan

             Obama and Holder proved that getting guns across the border illegally isn’t all that difficult didn’t they.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             In either direction!

      • $8194357

        How many folks died by the sword? Heck, Stalin just starved em to death by the 10’s of million..

        • Spartacus

          Judging from Obama’s policies he’d like to best Stalin.

    • $8194357

      But the pattern used since Islam declared jihad and sold it to Hitler as well..

      • borborygmi

        Arms dealers; Why sell to Americas enemies….. Someone has to. It is free enterprise.  Is the black market the only true free market?   No gov’t interference, no taxes just free wheeling and dealing.  God Bless the Free Market.   

        • $8194357

          Still “all in” on stupid I see…
          What does the pattern that jihad used since the 800 AD of disarming the countries they invaded along with every other totalitarian fascist Nazi like attempt at disarming the civillian population, not to mention the Soros backed UN law that all member nations need to submit to the unilateral small arms band for citizens of every member nation Hillary has commited and Barry is going to sign submiting us to international law as he takes away #2 as he has #1 with his healthcare mandates have to do with “black market vs. free market capitalism?
          You apples to ornages lefitist apoligist know it all know nothings are indeed “amazing” in your consitency for stupidity…

          • borborygmi

            Still got my guns , how about you.  Any of them UN storm troopers been kickin your door down.  I didn’t think so. 
                Black Market is free market.  Any taxes? any gov’t control, just free enterprise. You sell who you want to how you want to when you want to and for as much as you can get.  Now the material on the market may have been gotten in nefarious ways but Black Market is about a free market as you can get.

          • $8194357

            Go ahead and ignore the inconvient truth Soros’s team Hillary and Barry are already now in the process of signing the US onto the international UN civillian small arms ban..When your head is in the sand or up your backside no wonder you can’t see the storm trooper clouds coming, huh, borb.
            As far as your black market/free market take on things, you use the same marxist critical therory tactic to argue against free market capitalism by calling evil good and good evil…Funny how those “exceptions” to the rule work like that for Juedeo/Christian western societies attack and down fall, huh, borb..Keep on trucking fellow traveller…Keep on truckin…

          • $8194357

            Borb?
            Gun-grabbers around the globe believe they have it made.

            Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently announced the Obama Administration will be working hand-in-glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”

            (Backed by OSI Gearge Soros international finacial slush fund) “Follow the money trail” 7.62

            Disguised as an “International Arms Control Treaty” to fight against “terrorism,” “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates,” the UN Small Arms Treaty is in fact a massive, ( GLOBAL) gun control scheme.

            I’m helping lead the fight to defeat this radical treaty in the United States Senate and I want your help. ( “Rand Paul” 7’62)

            Please join me by taking a public stand against this outright assault on our national sovereignty by signing the Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey. Ultimately, the UN Small Arms Treaty is designed to register, ban and CONFISCATE firearms owned by private citizens like YOU. So far, the gun-grabbers have successfully kept the exact wording of their new scheme under wraps. But looking at previous versions of the UN Small Arms Treaty, you and I can get a good idea of what’s likely in the works.

            If passed by the UN and ratified by the U.S. Senate, the UN Small Arms Treaty would almost certainly FORCE the U.S. to:

            *** Enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding Americans cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to own a firearm legally;
            *** CONFISCATE and DESTROY ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms (all firearms owned by the government are excluded, of course);

            *** BAN the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons;
            (“Bill Clinton 1990’s” 7.62)
            *** Create an INTERNATIONAL gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun CONFISCATION
            .
            I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that this is NOT a fight we can afford to lose.
            “Ever since its founding 65 years ago, the United Nations has been hell-bent on bringing the United States to its knees.”

            To the petty dictators and one-world socialists who control the UN, the United States of America isn’t a “shining city on a hill” — it’s an affront to their grand designs for the globe.
            These anti-gun globalists know that so long as Americans remain free to make our own decisions without being bossed around by big government bureaucrats, they’ll NEVER be able to seize the worldwide power they crave.
            And the UN’s apologists also know the most effective way to finally strip you and me of ALL our freedoms would be to DESTROY our gun rights.
            That’s why I was so glad to hear that the National Association for Gun Rights is leading the fight to stop this
            (“assault on our Constitution!”)

            It is what it is, borb…Not what ever PC thing they chose to call it…..
            Get your head up outa the sand, now hear?
            (7point62)

            The truth is there’s no time to waste. You and I have to be prepared for this fight to move FAST. The fact is the last thing the gun-grabbers at the UN and in Washington, D.C. want is for you and me to have time to mobilize gun owners to defeat this radical legislation. They’ve made that mistake before, and we’ve made them pay, defeating EVERY attempt to ram the UN Small Arms Treaty into law “since the mid-1990s”. But now time may not be on our side. In fact, we’re likely to only have a few weeks to defeat the treaty when they make their move. And we definitely don’t have a President in the White House who will oppose this treaty. So our ONE AND ONLY CHANCE to stop the UN Small Arms Treaty is during the ratification process in the U.S. Senate.
            As you know, it takes 67 Senate votes to ratify a treaty.

            And why do you suppose they put “international law expert” Kagen on the SCOTUS? To submit Constituional America to “International law” perhaps, borb?
            Go figure…..

          • $8194357

            Borb?
            Did you know Hillary wrote her college thesis on how to improve Alinskys rules?
            Did you know Barry was “supposed to have” written his on American nuclear dis Armament?
            Did you know one of the 45 Mission Statements written into the Congressionsal record in 1963 was thru marxist academics to ‘convince” Americans that total nuclear disarmament would be the “best way” to show the world our “peaceful intentions” and moral high ground?
            Did you know this one world agenda has been in play for well over 100 years here on American soil?…
            READ THIS then…

            Quote:
            President Promises Massive Nuclear Buildup If Reelected …… Putin, that is
            The treacherous and weak  Obama is proposing an unprecenented  sharp reduction to the US nuclear stockpile, including cutting up to 80 percent of America’s deployed warheads. It would reduce the US nuclear deployment to the lowest levels since the 1950s.
            Plans drawn up by the Pentagon raise the idea of cutting the US’s strategic weapons from 1,550 to just 300. Other options include more modest cuts 700 or to 1,000, the Associated Press reported, citing a former administration official and a congressional aide.

            (The Telegraph)
            President Promises Massive Nuclear Buildup If Reelected
            By Daniel Foster
            February 21, 2012 1:10 P.M.
              The once and future president of Russia, that is. And that’s not all the new defense spending Putin is promising: Russia’s armed forces will receive over 400 modern intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), more than 100 military spacecraft and over 2,300 new tanks within the next ten years, Prime Minister and presidential candidate Vladimir Putin said. Earlier media voiced fears that by 2020, Russia’ ICBM arsenal could reduce by more than half as over 400 missiles would go beyond their maximum service life without timely replacement. “Within the next decade, the armed forces will receive more than 400 modern ground- and sea-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, eight ballistic missile submarines, about 20 general purpose attack submarines, over 50 surface ships and some 100 military-purpose spacecraft,” Putin wrote in a new article for the Rossiiskaya Gazeta government daily. He said the number will also include “over 600 modern aircraft, including fifth-generation fighters, more than a thousand helicopters, 28 regimental sets of S-400 [SA-21 Growler] surface-to-air missile systems, 38 division sets of Vityaz air defense systems, 10 brigade sets of Iskander-M (SS-26 Stone) tactical missile systems, more than 2,300 modern tanks, some 2,000 self-propelled artillery systems and guns, as well as more than 17,000 military vehicles.” More here:
            http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120220/171407962.ht

            Gotta run for now borb…CBS (comunist broadcasting system) is in the middle of a investigation of “then new Republican front runners” Congressional record.
            Time to do to Santorem what they have already done to Palin, Bachman,Cain, ect. ect. ect…
            Funny how they can never find out or even try to find out such “detailed info” on the Dems, huh?

  • Davoarid

    Violent Crime Up 40% in Largely Black Washington DC

    • 2hotel9

       Yep, another racist Democrat Party c*nt spewing racist Democrat Party sh*t. Good job, davi.

      • Davoarid

        What was racist about what I said? Be specific; support your answer.

        • 2hotel9

           You are the racist Democrat Party c*nt, you tell us why you are racist, davi.

          • Davoarid

            I am not.

            That was easy. Your debating skills leave much to the imagination.

          • 2hotel9

             This is not a debate, davi. You are a racist Democrat Party c*nt, you have bragged about beingexactly that repeatedly, and prove it every time you spew your racist sh*t. Good job, racist c*nt. Now, do it again. I order you to.

          • Davoarid

            2hotel9: A seed is very small. But a tree is very large. Where does a tree obtain its mass?

          • $8194357

            It is out of simple structures complex ideolgies grow and flow 2h9, yes indeed…

          • 2hotel9

             We get it davi, you are a racist c*nt, just like all fake “palestinians”. When did your visa expire? You were quiet proud about over staying it. Tell us again when it popped, racist c*nt.

          • borborygmi

            Davoarid just go beat your head agains a wall. 
                Oh he is divine ole 2h9…The Conservative’s  poster boy.

          • 2hotel9

             Yes, boob, you raciost Democrat Party c*nts beat your heads against the wall of reality. We. Get. It.

    • two_amber_lamps

       So by your own statement you’re linking the violent crime to Blacks? 

      RAAAAAAaaaaaa-cist!

      • Davoarid

        What have I said that’s racist?

        • two_amber_lamps

          You have violated the 23rd rule of leftspeak.  You used “violent” and “black” in the same sentence, therefore you associate the two. 

          Therefore, you are a RACIST and a THOUGHTCRIMINAL.  Report to the train station tomorrow at 4am for transportation to your nearest re-education facility.  Bring warm clothes and a shovel.

      • 2hotel9

         davi is proud of its racism, watch how it will twirl&spin in its next few comments.

        • borborygmi

          You forgot “whiny c@nt again. 

          • $8194357

            please stop encouraging him will ya?  hee..hee..

          • borborygmi

            don’t think I can shame him?

          • $8194357

            Naw…He is what he is, borb..real conservitives except that in folks no matter what you been told..

          • 2hotel9

             That is just another whinny c*nt crying because it has lost in this thread, as it does in every thread it comments in.

          • Davoarid

            If 2hotel9 didn’t exist, we’d have to invent him.

          • $8194357

            Your still my bro 2h9…Your lanquage choice is your own..Personally, I would tone down the cursing, but thats just me..Keep fighting your fight and runnin your race as the individual you are…Leftist just pretend to accept that in folks..We cons really try to walk the walk on it, no?
            Take care and God Bless, now hear?

          • 2hotel9

             And davi is a proud racist Democrat Party c*nt.

          • 2hotel9

             As for language, I use the vocabulary that davi and all the other racist Democrat Party c*nts have been using for decades, and THAT is what pisses them off.

    • borborygmi

      That doesn’t make sense everyone has a gun in the hood.

  • Jamermorrow

    Delegating your personal defense to the government is very dangerous. The police have no legal obligation to protect you. The police generally respond to crimes after they happen. No police force is big enough to protect everybody. Criminals will always have weapons. Spending money on police and government protection services will have little impact on your personal protection. Only you can protect yourself. 

    • Bat One

      Delegating your personal anything to the government is very dangerous.  That includes your wealth, your income, your health, your religious beliefs, your education, and of course your personal safety.  What constitutes my “pursuit of happiness” is up to me to decide, not some government bureaucrat.

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”

      • Jamermorrow

         and if in danger they will stand behind their cruiser and shout commands.

        • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

          I once used the old trick of calling the police to inform them that there were burglars in the basement (there were), but that since I had a .357 (I did) I could take care of it myself. They did get there in seconds.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            Good idea.

            I once saw two guys break into my garage late at night. I snuck over to the side door they went into and released my 135 lb German Sheppard inside and closed the door.
            When the cops arrived they were hanging from the rafters with their legs and arms wrapped tight around the beams.

            Max got a steak for breakfast the next day.

          • borborygmi

            You gave Max a steak and he wanted rump roast.

          • Jamermorrow

            Love that story.

          • Bat One

            Amen!!!

          • $8194357

            Good choice there flame…I have two…and several 9mm’s and 12 ga’s and of course , several 7.62 nato…..ect..ect..ect..

          • borborygmi

            I personally like the double barrel side by side,  Ominous looking down the barrels.  

          • $8194357

            Nice. But low capacity limits application, IMO..My two are both hi-cap tactical pumps..I agree with you can’t bring too much gun to the fight..

          • Bat One

            Nobody old enough to break into a house doesn’t know the sound of a 12 ga pump being “racked” in the dark.

          • $8194357

            Yup…

          • borborygmi

            Thats true,  the racking would have the same effect as micks max.  Both are distinctive sounds.  

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Recently a heavily-researched human ballistics study was circulated that indicated that, unless you were trying to shoot through a car door or somesuch, it made little difference what caliber weapon you used.  They all stopped the situation equally, or nearly so.  The guy used battlefield data, ER reports, and a ton of autopsy material.  Even a .22 short scored well.  There are, however, rare outliers where even multiple hits with a .45 won’t do the trick.  A big factor is shear noise—the louder the gun, the better.  I’m looking seriously at a NAA .22 mag revolver with a laser sight. 1 5/8″.  Noisy as hell!  Great in the dark and “around corners.”  And you can even aim  with the gun held out away from your body so that the perp can’t tell exactly where you are.

          • $8194357

            Its all good flame as the intended results are achieved of keeping the perp from harming another victim.
            As Alinsky would say…By any means possible! Sometimes to put out a fire at the well head, you need to use a big, big explosion.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister
          • $8194357

            Good read, flame..
            I read one awhile back that was saying the Israelis were liking 32 acp over the 9mm for penitration reasons..Like I said before..If they stop the perp…Its all good IMO..
            Take care my like minded friend..

          • slackwarerobert

            So how did he come by the data? I called the FBI, and the crooks in Arizona to get info after the Giffords shooting, and got nothing but despicable language from the “rulers”.
            They will not even tell you what bullets were used. Yet screaming within the hour it was a glock, big deal shooting what, or you have nothing.
            You can’t compare different weapons shot at different times, in different weather conditions.
            You need consistent data, this shooting was perfect, the VA tech, and colimbine used multiple weapons ruining the data set.
            Now if he was shooting people in controlled conditions and comparing results, then I will except his conclusions.

            As for the bullet study bs.  A hollow point .475 filled with fumic acid will always do more to stop an attacker than a 22.  Should leave a hole the size of a big toaster at the minimum.
            Even fiberglass powder will work better, as it will be ground glass flowing in the blood stream eating the arteries from the inside, and blocking the capillaries at the extremities, making them fall off.  A crook without trigger fingers doesn’t have a bright future in crime.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister
      • slackwarerobert

        Not true, remember that texas man who shot the thugs robbing his neighbor.  The police were on the street outside and wouldn’t do anything. He was waiting for the dangerous thugs to go so it would be safe to get out of his cruiser, and take the info for his reports.

  • Patrick R. Pfeiffer

    Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O’Donnell fat.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    If there were any bit of truth tied to your theory, Illinois would have the highest violent crime rate, but it has far less than most conceal and carry states.

    Alaska, with it’s “unrestricted” laws on conceal and carry status, enjoyed as much crime as New York, with it’s “may carry” status.

    http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank21.html

    http://www.moccw.org/map.html

    • mickey_moussaoui

      And California is much higher. So what’s your point? No one is forcing you to own a gun for self defense. So don’t. I’m sure your neighbors feel safer knowing you don’t have a weapon because of what you are.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        The point is; Rob is wrong.  The existence of conceal and carry laws do not eliminate or even decrease violence nor does the existence of weapons ban increase violence.

        I’m sure your employer is much happier keeping you under watch than in a position of leadership, knowing what you are.

        • mickey_moussaoui

          So you admit that having guns is okay. Good

          Im retired dummy. What I make on my investments equals my old management salary. Life is sublime

          :)

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Your life is sublime under the Obama presidency.  That’s surely a lot different picture than you have been painting.  Good to know though. :)

          • 2hotel9

             And more ,lies and sh*t spew from tranni, just another racist Democrat Party c*nt.

          • borborygmi

            That a boy I knew you could use c*nt again.

          • $8194357

            Stop it borb…

          • mickey_moussaoui

            Our nation is a mess. Wall Street is doing well and for that I am grateful but Obama is spending us into a bad future. Denial got Greece in their mess and will do the same here. This is the slowest recovery with the most debt in the history of this nation. Unemployment is at depression era levels. Gasoline is 90% more expensive under obama and will hit 100% by summer.

            Just imagine how great things would be if obama where not president.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            “Our nation is a mess. Wall Street is doing well and for that I am grateful…- mickey_mousse

            “What I make on my investments equals my old management salary. Life is sublime…- mickey_mousse

            You should be thanking Obama, not criticizing him. 

            The economy Bush handed him was a mess.  I am making more during the Obama presidency than I did under the bush regime.

          • 2hotel9

             And yet more lies and sh*t spew from tranni:TheSh*tSpewingLiar.

          • slackwarerobert

            I for one LOVE him, my wife would never let me have this much firepower till now.  She now understands that there is no such thing as too much when you need to defend your property from everyone and thing.

            He inherited it from bush?
            Get real, he was in the senate and rubber stamped the h*ll out of all those bad bush ideas.  It was him, bush, and pelosi that destroyed the economy.  Not the evil oil guy alone.

            But that brainwashed pow McCain would have made things even worse, at least 1/3 rd of one party is trying to stop obama, 99/100 of both parties would be shoving us over the cliff with a rino in the house.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Not sure I am buying into your idea that bush was a puppet to Obama as a Senator that every right wing loon believes only voted “present”.

          • 2hotel9

            And more lies and sh*t spew from tranni:TheLyingSh*tSpewingC*nt.     

          • slackwarerobert

            Not a puppet, just in cohoots.  How he claims he didn’t know how bad it was, when he was there passing it all.  If he had introduced bills to stop it, or ammended bad bills to make them good.  Then he could complain, but fiddling when DC burns does not make it someone elses fault.

            But Bush was no different than obama, they both don’t give a rats *ss about the constitution or rule of law.  That is why we are in the tank.
            Homeland security is 2/3rds of the bloated budget alone, and the only thing they are doing is spying on americans, and molesting people at airports.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Americans are not being “molested” at airports.  If that’s the case, show me court evidence of convictions for molestations.  It’s the churches that right-wing fanatics prop up who are doing the molestation.

            You guys didn’t have a problem about American security when bush was “keeping us safe” and not “a one” of you acted as if American national security wasn’t top priority or worry with an Obama administration.

            This example you have given is evidence enough that you aren’t interest in facts as much as emotional hyperbole.

            But I am glad to see that you admit we are in the tank because of bush and that you think he had no control as president and he let everyone run right over him.

            Some leader!

          • slackwarerobert

            Skinny  reply.
            Only because I will not disarm at the airport, so cannot go through and charge them.

            Just because a bunch of children and women don’t understand thier rights, does not mean they homeland goons have not been violating them.

          • 2hotel9

             More lies and sh*t spew from the sh*t spewing liar, tranni.

          • $8194357

            ( I for one LOVE him, my wife would never let me have this much firepower till now.)

            I have had some luck in that area as well…

          • slackwarerobert

            Yep, I can take down two helicopters now.  Working on the jets but not breaking the law doing them is a bugger.

        • 2hotel9

           And more ,lies and sh*t spew from tranni, just another racist Democrat Party c*nt.

        • Bat One

          As usual, you’ve got it exactly backwards, H.  Rob’s point is that strict gun control legislation doesn’t slow crime, despite what anti-gun Dems would like us all to believe.  And he’s right.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Bat, how many children can accidentally shoot another child if there are no guns?

            If you can save one life your argument is false.  Your argument is false.

          • Bat One

            If you can save one life your argument is false.

            Sorry, kid.  But the Second Amendment and the US Supreme Court say differently.

          • $8194357

            For the sake of the children has been “it” for way to long, Bat..

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Bat, you said strict gun control doesn’t reduce crime, I proved it does and proved you wrong and all you can do is attempt another distraction and change of subject.

            Children shoot children, that’s a crime in multiple ways, even if accidental. 

            You are flat wrong and that’s verifiable.

    • 2hotel9

       And more ,lies and sh*t spew from tranni, just another racist Democrat Party c*nt.

    • donwalk

      The 2006 census, when guns were totally outlawed in D.C. and before guns were allowed without proper registration.
      So why does washington D.C. have the only number exceeding, not only 1,000 per hundred thousand, but also the only number exceeding 1,500 per hundred thousand?
      Please explain, because guns were totally banned so there shouldn’t have been any crimes committed at al!

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        You are the guys arguing that conceal and carry reduce crime.  If that was the case there would be no crime in Alaska, but we see there is plenty and other conceal and carry states show little to no reduction. So you explain it, since it’s your argument.

        There are simply other factors that are at play that nobody on the right is considering. I am not saying banning guns eliminates crime, but reducing guns does reduce children blowing each other away, or nutty parents going on a shooting spree, within their own family.

        • 2hotel9

           Funny, the Dept Justice says increased % of citizens utilizing CC reduces the levels of crime in a given area, and you are calling them liars. How typical, all you have is lies and sh*t spew, as usual.

          • slackwarerobert

            Reducing LAWS would lower crime even more.  Crime is up because everything is against some law somewhere.

            That and the nuts running the looney bin are letting the criminals out of prison by the train loads.
            They can’t afford the medical costs of 700 prisoners in CA, the answer is to let go 40K criminals, instead of the 700 who would not be a danger to anyone if they are that sick.

          • $8194357

            Cloward/Piven strategies work on any government system and with the same results..Sad folks don’t see what is plainly before them…

          • slackwarerobert

            No the real sadness is the nuts who take it out on buildings instead of going to washington and cutting the head off of the snake.

          • $8194357

            Probebly shouldn’t threaten Debbi Wasserman Shultz like that….hee..hee

          • slackwarerobert

            I don’t care if she is a moonbat.  If she can shoot straight I welcome her to the ranks that march on washington to send the dictators running for iran or wherever.
            Alas I think she is wrongly going to side with the overloards.  But it is her choice.  I am OK with her wrapped in a berksa in some harem putting on goat shows for the “Peaceful Muslims”, or would that be camel shows?

        • donwalk

          You liberal Democrats are the ones arguing that gun prohibition is the answer – that no crimes will be committed if guns are outlawed. If that was the case there would be no crime in Washington D.C. or Chicago, but we see there is plenty and other gun prohibition states show little or no reduction either.
          If there is no definitive argument, (as you seem to present) shouldn’t a voting citizen, with no criminal record, be given the “benefit of the doubt”, as well as his consitutional rights to own a gun for his own protection?
          Also, very convenient to leave Washington D.C.’s numbers out of your previous post, as well as Chicago’s extremely high murder rate.

          Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: Violent Crime Up 40% In Anti-Gun Washington DC

        • mickey_moussaoui

          Even if it didn’t reduce crime it also doesn’t increase crime. So, let it be. It is harmless.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s not a crime for a child to accidentally shoot another child.  But having guns in the house creates that reality, where it would not happen otherwise.

            And family shootings would not occur if guns were banned.

          • 2hotel9

            more sh*t and lies from the sh*t spewing liar, tranni.

          • slackwarerobert

            Yes it is, it is called manslaughter, and murder.  Just because they don’t prosecute does not mean the law isn’t there.
            Just because OJ wasn’t convicted doesn’t mean it is legal to slice a persons throat.

            Family shootings would not occur if the other family members wore their guns when the criminal was drawing a bead on them.
            The soccer mom in Philly was killled be police, so police who are married cannot carry guns I suppose?

            By your logic, RAPES would not happen if we just passed a law that women can’t say NO!

            I started shooting when I was 5.  Never shot anything I didn’t aim at, since you never point a gun at something you are not going to shoot, you cannot “accidently” shoot someone.
            Just like these “cleaning” discharges, the first thing you do is unload to clean, so you couldn’t have been cleaning it if it went off.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            OK, so then more murder does occur with guns in the home, thanks!

            Also, when I said “family murders” I was referring to family murdering family, not strangers murdering family.

            I never argued passing gun laws stops crime, I argued having guns in the house creates more murder (your term) when children accidentally kill each other playing with guns and also when family members go on a rampage in their families.

            Are you going to tell me babies wont shoot babies if they have a carry and conceal?????

          • slackwarerobert

            It isn’t murder when  you shoot someone intent on harming you.

            You can’t “accidentally” shoot someone because you have to first point the gun at them then pull the trigger.  Two steps shows intent.

            Guns are not toys, so you don’t play with them to begin with, so your theory can’t happen.

            The trigger action probably hasn’t been tested much stuffed in a messy diaper.  But I do know that there wouldn’t have been a problem with those priests if the alter boys were allowed to carry.  A ten year old boy can stop a 40 year old pervert easily.

            Kids are run over by cars, so why don’t you ban cars, and we will see how that helps first.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            My “theory”?????  You think children accidentally shooting children is a THEORY????

            Good God! 

            And face it, you said children shooting children, even accidentally is murder, therefore more murder occurs with guns in the home.

            Here’s proof:

            Man arrested after 3-year-old shoots, kills 5-year-old
            http://www.9news.com/news/article/237788/339/Man-arrested-after-3-year-old-shoots-kills-5-year-old

            2-Year-Old Fatally Shoots Mother, Police Investigate Father’s Role

            http://abcnews.go.com/US/tot-fatally-shoots-mother-police-investigate-fathers-role/story?id=13452342#.T0ZnDspUFEE

            2 Year Old Kid Shoots his Father in the Stomach
            http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/990554/

          • slackwarerobert

            Children do not “accidentally” shoot other children.  You do not let a 2 year old shoot without ADULT SUPERVISION.

            Do you have any idea of the head injury a 3 yo would get from the recoil of my wildey?
            Only an idiot would let a child shoot without supervision.
            Unfortunately idiocy can only get you elected to congress, not allow you to sterilize them.
            I aced the NRA hunter course at 6. At 4 I knew that you don’t touch the guns when mom and dad aren’t there..  At three I would help clean them.
            Don’t recall what at 2.  But I do know I didn’t shoot anyone.

            You dig into the facts and you will find the children were not trained properly, and the parents were not supervising them.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You just saw the video of a 2yr old accidentally shooting his father.  Children do accidentally shoot other children, it’s a fact.

            Your theory is all wrong and you are wrong.  I am right, because if you remove guns from those children, they wont kill others or themselves.

          • borborygmi

            Go one step farther if you are plinking in the woods and you shoot some living animal you better be eating it.

          • slackwarerobert

            As long as the liver isn’t diseased, Not only eat it, but enjoy it as well.
            But I will not eat the dirty cop I am forced to shoot, takes to long to cook and he could have friends in the area who don’t understand self defense.

            Just think of the tax money we could save if we just make food stamps a year round hunting license.

          • borborygmi

            Have guns in the house teach the children respect for them. Not to fear but to respect.  There are unfortunately there are parents that shouldn’t be.
                 It should be obvious that guns by themselves don’t promote safety.  Plenty of people have guns some bad some good.  There is proof in the news that if family wants to kill family or kids there are enough sharp pokie items outor there heavy blunt objects out there to take care of business. 

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            True, crazies will stab the entire family.  It is less likely that baby James will stab baby Timmy to death, by accident.

            I am not pro on banning guns, I just think fewer people should have them.

          • 2hotel9

             And more lies and sh*t spew from tranni:TheLyingSh*tSpewer.

            You have told us here for years how you support banning private ownership of firearms in America, whinny lying c*nt.

      • slackwarerobert

        Simple the DC POLICE were above the law and had guns!
        Even obama knows that and makes them disarm around him.

        • donwalk

          Nice post!
          Very sensible too!

          Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: Violent Crime Up 40% In Anti-Gun Washington DC

    • two_amber_lamps

      Hey, ah…  Sparkie…? Did you notice your census.gov numbers were from 2006??  Just saying you might wanna at least TRY to find facts to support your claims that are in the same DECADE?

      Thank you, come again!

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Um, yes, and?  Did you think that the facts are somehow less factual because they are dated?  That’s the only thing I could find in such a short pinch, and without a lot of time vested.

        Also, a decade is 10yrs.  Were talking 6yrs difference, five since it’s so early in 2012.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Last decade would be 2000-2010…

          How about keep your numbers within the last HALF decade to keep them relevant?  A lot can happen in 5 years, like Comrade Obama to sink an economy for an example.

          What do you mean “in a pinch”?  You’re retired on your 1% chislings from the dumb proles and the gumbint!  You have all the time in the world to find your blather to support your leftist agenda. 

          Take all the time you like, and stop making excuses.  It’s soooo pathetic when Sir Hazzitnned stoops to sniveling. 

          By the way, how’s them tax issues on that fancy-schmanzy pad of yours going? Don’t forget to give Uncle Sam his “fair share”…. :)

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Last decade would be 2000-2010…

            How about keep your numbers within the last HALF decade to keep them relevant?

            It’s only been 2 years since “the last decade” ended.  And by the way, I don’t even agree with you.  A decade is 10yrs…and that’s all the needs to be stated.

    • Brettcori

      You do realize that Illinois does not report violent crime data in compliance with FBI UCR (Uniform Crime Reports) standards while Alaska does, right?  This means that Illinois estimates it’s figures based on partial data from only some of it’s law enforcement sources.  Alaska’s reports are 100% compliant.  

      When you don’t have all the data, use common sense.  Criminals find it much easier to prey on unarmed victims.  The reverse is also true.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    DC picked my pocket

  • Ratbite

    THE HECK WITH GUN. mAYBE THE REASON CRIME INCREASED SOOO MUCH IS THE IDIOTS  WE’VE BEEN SENDING TO DC TO REPRESENT US. tHEY’RE THE TRUE CRIMINALS DO FAR MORE DAMAGE THAT THE GUN TOTING THUGS & GANG BANGERS.

  • 2hotel9

    Got family in DC area, Montgomery county, and they are armed. Their oldest daughter was living on campus in DC, they got her out and back to home and she is changing schools in order to stay out of DC.

    Go Democrats!!!!!!!! Show the world how to f*ck an entire segment of the population while blaming everyone else, f*cking racist c*nts.

    • borborygmi

      Wait,  she is armed, the family is armed …….then they should be safe why Leave?  The Conservative viewpoint I have a gun so I am safe or is it safer?

      • slackwarerobert

        Because eventually some cop will spot the gun, then you are in a world of trouble.
        Plus as deep as you need to conceal in DC, it is very slow to get out.
        But slow is better than nothing in that cesspool.

        At least Nancy Pelosi proved that battle axes are ok, she carried that mace down the capital mall and no one arrested her.

  • WOOF

    Crime turns oil boomtown, (Williston), into Wild West
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/26/pf/America_boomtown_crime/index.htm

    North Dakota maintains a higher % of rapes over the national average .
    Not enough guns ?

    • two_amber_lamps

      Whooo  Woof!  Sounds like you better be on the bus up to Williston?  According to your stats girls are easy up there… just like at the Occupy Camp…. eh old dog?

       Ya sicko.

      • borborygmi

        Yes you are right two amber in taking the conservative viewpoints,  that rape is okay and not only okay but funny.   

    • 2hotel9

       And the citizens of ND are addressing the problem. Meanwhile you racist Democrat Party c*nts just keep committing crimes. Funny how that works.

    • borborygmi

      I talked to a coworker yesterday from Minot and she just purchased the pistol and is going to get here CC because it is getting dangerous out there.  Kids don’t play outside and women don’t going out by themselves at night.. 

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        Baloney. I live in Minot. My kids play outside. Your friend is lying.

        • $8194357

          It is a “tad bit” wilder in Williston tho Rob. Any where alot of money is changing hands drugs and crime does rise…just the down side of prosperity showing up, IMO..Take care now..

      • $8194357

        some truth to it,
        but it’s the %10 anywhere that make the other %90 look bad or fear each other..We never had much crime unless you call what the government is doing to us by its rightful name. Of course the “reservation systems” being independent soverign nations are not factored in of course…that would change the numbers some.

        • borborygmi

          I agree bad eggs stink cover a lot of territory.  There are also some very good people moving up there.

          • $8194357

            10-4 to that borb…See? Some common ground here and there, huh?
            God Bless now, hear?

      • borborygmi

        Your wife go to walmart alone at night. How long she had her CC.  This guy is pretty conservative and he was pretty hyper on this. HIs wife never owned a firearm before.   
              NOt to mention his rent was doubled.    Its free enterprise what you going to do.  I told him at least thats the up side business is good.
            I don’t think he is lying>  perhaps you are in denial.  But there are good things happening also to be fair and balanced.

        • $8194357

          (NOt to mention his rent was doubled.    Its free enterprise what you going to do.  I told him at least thats the up side business is good.)

          Now there ya go again borb with the Marxist critcal apllications to free market capitalism…Whats up with that anyway..do you subscribe to the communist doctrines or just like to argue assinine leftist talking points?

  • Spartacus

    Except for the capitol center, DC is a ghetto. If the district government wants to reduce crime it needs to build walls around the district, like in “Escape from New York” & “Escape from L.A.”, and let the population reduce itself to the least common denominator.

    • slackwarerobert

      Your “Snake” I heard you were dead.

      But how would you tell which side of the wall has the criminals?

  • slackwarerobert

    The one thing missing from this story…..
    Now that all the guns are registered and fingerprinted. 
    Why is there not a 100% arrest rate in the capital. 
    They know what gun did it, and who own that gun.

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