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Violence In Iraq Way Down In October, Peacefulness Confuses Journalists

Great news...

The number of Iraqi civilians killed fell from at least 1,023 in September to at least 875 in October, according to the AP count.

That’s the lowest monthly toll for civilian casualties in the past year, and is down sharply from the 1,216 recorded in October 2006. The numbers are based on daily reports from police, hospital officials, morgue workers and verifiable witness accounts. . . .

The drop in deaths among U.S. military personnel in Iraq was even more striking, according to AP’s records—down from 65 in September to at least 36 in October. The October figure is by far the lowest in the last year, and is sharply lower than the 106 deaths recorded in October 2006.

...except that the media isn’t quite sure what it all means yet:

...the meaning of these statistics is disputed, and experts generally agree that the struggle for security and stability is far from over. . . .

The relative period of calm—if that’s what it is—came during the Muslim fast of Ramadan, a time when militants have in the past escalated their attacks on U.S. forces.

The funny thing is that when violence in Iraq is escalating, the journalists always know what it is and the meaning is never disputed.  When violence is escalating, they call it “civil war” and imply that it means the war in Iraq is a failure.  Like this report from November 2006:

As the sectarian violence in Iraq escalates into what the US media is now calling a civil war, Mr Bush said he would press Mr Maliki to develop a strategy to stop the killings.

Escalating violence = civil war

Decreasing violence = confused journalists

But don’t you ever accuse these brave and courageous journalists of not being objective.

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journalists killed:
By Year:
• 2007: 30
• 2006: 32
• 2005: 23
• 2004: 24
• 2003: 14

By Gender:
• Men: 113
• Women: 10

By Circumstance:
• Murder: 83
• Crossfire or other acts of war: 40
NUMBER OF BRAVE BLOGGERS IN DANGER?

WOOF on October 31, 2007 at 04:24 pm
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NUMBER OF BRAVE BLOGGERS IN DANGER?

How about these poor Bushies: Diplomats decry being sent against will to Iraq

Apparently the State department is having trouble recruiting staff for what will be, by far, our largest foreign embassy. I wonder why, what with all the good news that Rob is passing along.

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Right.  I guess I can’t comment on the media’s coverage of Iraq...unless I’m a journalist in Iraq.

Very convenient, I must say.


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Rob on October 31, 2007 at 06:39 pm
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For the liberal mainstream media, it’s always too soon to proclaim victory but it’s never too early to declare defeat.

Tantor on October 31, 2007 at 06:52 pm
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Graybeard, State is hardly populated by “Bushies”. It’s chock full of libs and leftists. While it is natural for any person to have fear, these types have more than their share along with not wanting to lend any credibility to a Bush policy which they see as serving in Iraq as being.

There is undeniable good news coming from Iraq now. (Undeniable for the honest or rational, that is

Sam on October 31, 2007 at 07:06 pm
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How about these poor Bushies: Diplomats decry being sent against will to Iraq

Well, when I have job and I am asked to do something I don’t want to do, I decide if I want to quit more than I don’t want to do what I’ve been asked.

You work for the State Dept?  State Dept asks you to do something you don’t want to do?  Quit and find another job.

Anonymous on October 31, 2007 at 07:09 pm
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How about these poor Bushies: Diplomats decry being sent against will to Iraq.

You think that Staties are fans of Bush?  There is exactly one of those, and her name rhymes with “Squandaleeza.” The rest sabotage Bush more consistently and reliably than the CIA.

Jonathan on October 31, 2007 at 07:13 pm

woofie and greydick are typical. Hate America is all they have. Dead wogs are their only sexual turn on. How sad. And woofie, no tears for journalists, they helped create this mess, along with you America haters. Fuck both of you’uns.


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2Hotel9 on October 31, 2007 at 07:19 pm
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WOOF—Bloggers in Iraq? Off the top of my head, I can think of Bill Roggio, Michael Yon, and Michael J. Totten. Wesley Morgan, over the summer. IIRC Victor Davis Hanson made the trip recently, which ain’t bad at his age. There are also US servicemen in Iraq with blogs. Quite a few of those. I think Greyhawk at Mudville Gazette is over there now.

And you’ve spent how much time in Iraq yourself? Speak up! Since you seem to think you’re qualified to call Michael Yon a coward, I figure you must hang out over there every chance you get.

But realistically, I think your point was that you’re a clueless idiot, right? And the kind of guy who squats in front of the TV in a pile of Cheeto crumbs calling people in war zones cowards. Yeah, that was your point exactly. Thanks for making it.

lksdf on October 31, 2007 at 07:25 pm
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NUMBER OF BRAVE BLOGGERS IN DANGER?

The milbloggers can answer that.  Since woof isn’t one of them and isn’t in danger himself, who does he think he is even offering a comment.  And funny how suddenly Iraqi lives matter to the left when they’re journalists.  Otherwise, screw ‘em.  Chickenblogger.

And since the state dept has a well-earned reputation of trying to sabotage the war effort for political or professional gain, who can blame them for wanting to go to a place they’ve worked so hard to destabilize?

It seems the echo chamber is active among the commenters here as well.  Too bad.

Roy on October 31, 2007 at 07:33 pm

An old adage: Those who won’t or can’t sharply critize those that do.  Cowards always despise heroes.


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docdave on October 31, 2007 at 07:35 pm
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“But realistically, I think your point was that you’re a clueless idiot, right? And the kind of guy who squats in front of the TV in a pile of Cheeto crumbs calling people in war zones cowards. Yeah, that was your point exactly. Thanks for making it.”

But he did make it very completely. Surely that counts towards style points.

dougf on October 31, 2007 at 07:35 pm
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Victor Davis Hanson made the trip recently

Clap Hanson? In Iraq? Was he buying $5 rugs with Lindsey Graham?

Right.  I guess I can’t comment on the media’s coverage of Iraq...unless I’m a journalist in Iraq.

Very convenient, I must say.

Why don’t you follow Clap’s lead? I’d truly like to hear your first-hand account of what a picnic life must be in Iraq. Don’t listen to all those namby-pamby liberals at State. What do they know? They probably don’t have the TV tuned to Fox 24/7.

graybeard on October 31, 2007 at 07:37 pm

I took offense at Rob’s
snark.

brave and courageous journalists

I pointed out the fatalities in their ranks.

Nothing to do with Military Bloggers.

Hotel

Dead wogs are their only sexual turn on.

WTF?

WOOF on October 31, 2007 at 07:46 pm

I’d truly like to hear your first-hand account of what a picnic life must be in Iraq.

Gray, this insinuation of yours works both ways.  How many of your liberal friends have gone to Iraq (or even volunteered for the military)?  And when were you over there last?  I’d truly like to hear your first-hand account of how life is in Iraq.

You got one statement right.  Liberals are namby-pamby (or worse).


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docdave on October 31, 2007 at 07:47 pm

You hate America, you hate wogs.

What the f**k, indeed.


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2Hotel9 on October 31, 2007 at 07:47 pm
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Why don’t you follow Clap’s lead? I’d truly like to hear your first-hand account of what a picnic life must be in Iraq. Don’t listen to all those namby-pamby liberals at State. What do they know? They probably don’t have the TV tuned to Fox 24/7.

I didn’t hear anyone say Iraq is a picnic, just measurably improving.  I didn’t hear anyone say that the liberals at State weren’t right to be concerned for their safety/convenience when posted there, but if that’s where their efforts are needed then that’s where they should be headed, or seek another job.  Their whining is unbecoming.

Jonathan on October 31, 2007 at 07:54 pm
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Gray, this insinuation of yours works both ways.  How many of your liberal friends have gone to Iraq (or even volunteered for the military)?  And when were you over there last?  I’d truly like to hear your first-hand account of how life is in Iraq.

If I was waving pom-poms for Bush as our cheerleading host is apt to do, then that would be a relevant question. I’m not, and I have no intention of going to Iraq anytime soon - likewise the 4 million Iraqi refugees that have fled the country. Maybe they don’t get Fox on their cable system either.

The post-Vietnam Left is effective because of its deceitful layering of the apparatus through which it works and also because it has found a way to support totalitarian movements while appearing to be interested in improving America’s international morality.  It’s techniques of dissimulation and dissinformation have worked.

- David Horowitz

David friggin Horowitz. You’re quoting that nutbag and presumably think that melange of twattery lends credibility to your post? Ha-ha. How’s that “Islamofacist Awareness Week” going?

graybeard on October 31, 2007 at 08:04 pm

If I was waving pom-poms for Bush as our cheerleading host is apt to do, then that would be a relevant question. I’m not…

But, Heavens, let’s not dare question this man’s patriotism!?

Phooey!  Having acknowledged that you really don’t know very much about what you’re talking about, Gray, you’re left with nothing more substantive than a few snide insults aimed at everyone who recognizes you for the troll you are.  Pitiful… really.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on October 31, 2007 at 09:50 pm

David friggin Horowitz. You’re quoting that nutbag and presumably think that melange of twattery lends credibility to your post? Ha-ha. How’s that “Islamofacist Awareness Week” going?

Glad my signature comment got read by somebody even if it cause a negative reaction in you.  By the way, how is your suckup to the Islamic fascists going?  Still have your head?  Nice that you would show your true colors.  Yellow…


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docdave on October 31, 2007 at 10:27 pm
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That was quick: Graybeard makes the moronic Chickenhawk argument (drink!) in record time. It swings both ways ( the argument I mean, don’t ask, don’t tell on Graybeard) - if you criticize the war but have not served does that make you a Chickenchicken or a Chickenweasel?

GabbaGabbaHey on November 1, 2007 at 02:07 am
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But, Heavens, let’s not dare question this man’s patriotism!?

Not my patriotism that’s at issue. I’m not an advocate for sending other people’s kids to die and be maimed for non-existant WMD in a country that did not attack us on 9/11.

Those that do advocate pre-emptive wars based on trumped-up evidence should at least be prepared to sacrifice themselves or be content to labelled as Chickenhawk. I’m guessing it’s the latter with pom-pom boy, unless his glorious leader gets us into Iran, at which point his choices for blogging vs. picking up arms himself will rapidly diminish.

graybeard on November 1, 2007 at 03:57 am

Puh’lease. When David was dancing to your favorite tune you loved him, and when he called bullshit on you leftard Democrats your no longer friends? What, no Christmas card for Dave now? Moral bankruptcy is all you on the left have anymore. That is rather sad.


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2Hotel9 on November 1, 2007 at 04:11 am
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Indeed the Milbloggers have done the job of reporting that the MSM is unable to do, but they have been joined by civilians and we can’t forget their reporting, making a pretty good sized list of those who are or have been ‘over there’ for reporting: Michael Yon, Badgers Forward, Bill Roggio, Michael Totten, Bill Ardolino, Jeff Emanuel, B. A. Patty (from the forgotten Philippines counter-insurgency), Wesley Morgan, C. Blake Powers, JD Johannes, Pat Dollard, Greyhawk… there are more…

Then there is the entire Iraqi part of the blogosphere, those that live there and tell of conditions, what they see on the ground from their perspective.  They don’t have to go *anywhere* being in Iraq to start with.  Most of that is in another language and the English-net has a scattering of those posting to it.

Now, as to the media - most of the media killed in Iraq are Iraqi.  The Western MSM has not seen fit to send us their reporting, report on their deaths and to stand together with their fellow journalists.  I find it very strange that those pointing to the journalists killed in Iraq do not point that out: the freedom of Iraqis to investigate, get death threats and sometimes killed for trying to report on what is going on for the local media.  It is a shame that none of the glitterati Western MSM see fit form alliances with radio, television, papers, magazines and periodicles in Iraq to help bolster them and give the Western public a wider view of the Nation.  You don’t even have to send someone there to get it!  But that is far too much work for the MSM.  Of course it is ‘independent’ media, not INDY media, so ideology may not fit the mold of what the MSM wants.

The State Dept. would be well advised to get a ‘Retief School’ up and running for those retiring vets who have served on the Transition Teams (Military, Police and Civil) as they have proven to be competent, effective, adaptable and resourceful.  That, of course, would change the outlook of State with a cadre of individuals who have been successful at many things already in far off lands.

Very, very strange that individuals across diverse categories of life from retired military to hollywood agent have taken up the responsibility to *report* in far off lands so the public may learn, first-hand, of the goings-on in Iraq, Afghanistan, Philippines, Somalia.  Wherefore art thou, oh MSM?  Stuck with the latest pretty girl gone missing or shark attack or the doings of hollywood starlets fallen?  Where is that solidarity of journalism for those under the literal gun and seeking to expose corruption, coercion and uncivilized behavior of all sorts?

Unreported it goes unheard.  Unheard it cannot be forgotten never being learned.  Unlearned we are poorer for it and lack understanding of the world and can only react and think in simplistic ways, stuck in ideology.

ajacksonian on November 1, 2007 at 04:25 am

Graybeard,

My apologies for the patriotism remark, if you find the implicit suggestion offensive.  I merely meant to cut through all the standard rhetorical clutter you guys normally throw up, and get on to the next segment of you argument/tantrum.

You’re right, of course.  It isn’t patriotism that’s at issue, but judgment.  In this case yours.  Or rather, your lack of it.

As for that idiot “chickenhawk” claim of yours, I believe you’ll find that just about everyone here who expresses support for this country’s actions in Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein, has already had some sort of national defense experience… myself included.  Unlike those of you who barely know the words, and couldn’t distinguish between an MRE and a BDU, we actually understand what we’re talking about.

Carry on!


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Bat One on November 1, 2007 at 06:09 am

Now greydick will toddle in and claim to be a Winter Soldier and VietNam Veteran Against the War alumni. Wait for it.


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2Hotel9 on November 1, 2007 at 06:59 am

Now greydick will toddle in and claim to be a Winter Soldier and VietNam Veteran Against the War alumni.

Ha!  A John Kerry compatriot?  Yeah, that’s gonna carry a lot of weight!


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Bat One on November 1, 2007 at 07:49 am
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Since we are still censored from conservagive blogs you know the neocons dont want or even tell the truth .

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Since we are still censored from conservagive blogs you know the neocons dont want or even tell the truth .

That’s a pretty ironic thing to say...in a comment on a conservative blog.


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Rob on November 1, 2007 at 09:21 am
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"Not my patriotism that’s at issue. I’m not an advocate for sending other people’s kids to die and be maimed for non-existant WMD in a country that did not attack us on 9/11.

Those that do advocate pre-emptive wars based on trumped-up evidence should at least be prepared to sacrifice themselves or be content to labelled as Chickenhawk. I’m guessing it’s the latter with pom-pom boy, unless his glorious leader gets us into Iran, at which point his choices for blogging vs. picking up arms himself will rapidly diminish.

I find the people who like to throw around Chickedn hawk usually deserve the title of Chickenshit. It usually fits the profile of the “ no guts for anything” crowd.

richard everett on November 1, 2007 at 12:59 pm

richie, as soon as you can make a coherent point we might take you seriously.

nickie, sweet little liar nickie, point to censorship. Democrat Underground and Daily KOS regularly censor comments. You will find that American blogs not only refuse to censor comments, we highlight and place to the fore comments that are in opposition to our political beliefs.

Since you have not ever, not one single time in your life, read an opposing political view, we will forgive your disingenuous bullshit. Lying is all you know how to do. That is just sad, and pathetic, little lying nickie.


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2Hotel9 on November 1, 2007 at 01:38 pm
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