Violence And Massive Demonstrations Erupt In Iran

There are massive demonstrations going on in Iran in the wake of Ahmadinejad’s
apparent theft of the presidential election there. Ha’aretz is reporting that
Ahmadinejad’s rival in the presidential election, Mir Hossein Mousavi, has
been arrested.

Here is a video of protestors chasing away Iran’s security thugs in the streets
of Tehran:



What is Obama’s reaction to this? Predictably, it is that no matter how brutal,
corrupt, anti-democratic or unpopular the regime in Tehran is, we must talk
to them.

“In the end, there’s an imperative to try to establish engagement,”
a senior American official said. “We would certainly give them time,”
he said, provided that Iran did not use the time to work toward a nuclear bomb.

What could
possibly go wrong?

“This is the worst result,” said Thomas R. Pickering, a former under
secretary of state. “The U.S. will have to worry about being perceived
as pandering to a president whose legitimacy is in question. It clearly makes
the notion of providing incentives quite unappetizing.”

Daniel Pipes suggests that Obama’s mollifying Cairo apology to the Muslim world
didn’t work on Iran, and may
have backfired:

"The key factor is that it’s Khamenei’s wishes, not the voter’s
wishes, that matter," said Middle East Forum director Daniel Pipes. "The
voters are window dressing, think of it as an advisory role."

Pipes cast the office itself in a similar light, calling the president "more
like a press secretary, the outward face but not the decision maker… certainly
not on the issues that matter to us."

The office does matter, he added, in terms of Iran’s domestic politics and
also its foreign policy symbolism, so that while Obama has reached out to Iran,
"Had Khameni wished to reciprocate, he would have had Mousavi become
the president."

Khameni indeed had the power to do so. Ahmadinejad would not have ‘won’ this
election unless Supreme Leader Khameni wanted it that way.

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    If only we had had this much courage in 2000.

  • Fatalerror94

    10 to 1 these demonstrations were orchestrated by the US.
    The US is the troublemaker in the world.

    If that were true (and it isn’t) that would mean this is Obama’s ballgame.

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

    Is the Iranian election a preview of the Neo-Marxist tantrum to come after the 2010 elections throw out most congressional lefties?

  • pparets

    Dino goes over the edge again…

    10 to 1 these demonstrations were orchestrated by the US.

    … that would be the US headed by President Barack Obama?

    ignorant STD

  • pparets

    Thank you for proving SCOTUS stopped the recount.

    in 6 selected precincts, yes. You’re welcome.

  • robert108

    It truly was a mistake by Gore to select a few districts instead of a full state recount.

    Not his first mistake; that was in trying to trump up phony “cheating” charges in precincts that went heavily for him. An obvious tactic to try to manufacture votes to overturn the will of the people to elect President Bush.
    Once he got away with that bullshit, and still didn’t win, he went to cherry-picking. His tactic are pretty much like the ones you use to spin and twist the truth, little parrot.

  • robert108

    bush was not elected.
    SCOTUS stopped the recount.

    Two more lies from little parrot, trying to distract with some old far left wing extremist propaganda. President Bush was elected; none of the politically-motivated “recounts” changed the results, no matter how Gore cherry-picked the precincts.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Given the fact that da wiz is actually the blackwaterboob, I concur with his recent statement.

  • robert108

    With the limp-wristed Obama in place, the real Iranians know that the US will never help them, and will keep Israel from taking out the power-mad mullocracy and A’jad, so they’re taking the initiative. President Bush would have cooperated, but Obama will undoubtedly help the mullahs tamp down the protests.

  • http://www.rabidamerican.net/ Rabid American

    (Dino) No, seriously, I HATE this country and think it should disappear. No more united states. It’s the cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s like a cancer.

    Just split it up and let it lose its power. Done. Finished.

    You, sir, and your ilk will come to rue the day when you insisted that “Change” was necessary and brought forth the Neo-Marxist usurper to occupy the White House.

    You wish may come true with the traitorous democrat/marxists that hold power, at this time.

    Yet your wish of national destruction will come at a greater cost to your kind than my own.

    Patriotic Americans will never forgive your type for the unnecessary burden placed upon this land by you and your commie compatriots and their “Change”. Many of the sheep did not understand that “Change” meant Marxist/Fascist policies, traitorous neglect of the wisdom derived from our Constitution, and media assisted attempt to overturn 230 years of Federal Republic government.

    Your day may be now, but our day will come, again…….. may yours be short lived….

    As tedious as it sounds, I am compelled to say that you should leave for another country where you would be more at home. Another country that would offer such dolts as yourself the freedom to express your self-loathing, and hatred of your own nation.

    As Exceller noted, this is the result of our occupation in Iraq and their journey toward democracy. However imperfect it is at this time the people of that nation have tasted the sweet flavor of freedom and its promise for their children.

    Remember these wise words:

    He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country.

    There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections.

    Samuel Adams

  • Pilgrim

    Good piece, Ken.

    I wrote another this morning with a different slant. This could be a warning – ignore the will of the people at your peril.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    That you write like a dyslexic alzheimer’s patient?

    No, not surprising at all.

  • Mickey

    It is good to see that these people stand up against fascism.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    10 to 1 these demonstrations were orchestrated by the US.

    The US is the troublemaker in the world.

  • sayanything-4625

    The US must have lots of power in Iran, to force thousands of people out into the street to burn an pillage. Dino, its predictable that you would come in here and take the side of the brutal dictator. To Dino, the US is a global troublemaker. NO one in Iran is unhappy unless the US comes in and stirs them up. Its not like the mullahs and Dinner Jacket are unpopular for their policies or that the Iranian people have a mind of their own.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    It is good to see that these people stand up against fascism.

    Will we, if and when the time comes?

    Will recognize that time?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Is that the mythology you’ve created? That the religious fanatics supported the candidate who allegedly lost the election and had a small number of ex-facto rulers install him despite getting fewer votes?

    Sounds like when bush, with the support of the xtian cons, was handed the election by the Supreme Court in 2000.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    Is that the mythology you’ve created? That the religious fanatics supported the candidate who allegedly lost the election and had a small number of ex-facto rulers install him despite getting fewer votes?

    I have read this three times now Dino, and I still can’t figure out what you are trying to claim here.

    Like I said, addled.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Was this the change they were hoping for?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    They are not allowed to change their law on the fly and they are not allowed to ignore it all together.

    Greg, I agree.

    The stalling tactics from the bush team effectively ran out the clock.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Just goes to show that reality and blackwaterboob don’t belong in the same sentence.

  • sayanything-4625

    The difference between the Bush and the Obama administration is that Iran was happy to have Ahmadinejad.

    This is progress

    They look thrilled!

  • sayanything-5371

    bush was not elected.
    SCOTUS stopped the recount.

    This is the most re-told leftist lie, realityhurtsbob. Gore attempted to have endless recounts in Florida where he only wanted recounts of high lib populated districts. Gore also attempted to have overseas military votes thrown out. Gore lost, and SCOTUS put an end to his bullshit.

    Of all lib politicians, Gore is the most loathable. He is a liar, a traitor, a global warming hypocrite, an elitist and a useful idiot. I can see why you would like him so much.

  • sayanything-5371

    If only we had had this much courage in 2000.

    To do what realityhurtsbob? Overthrow a duly elected president and install a gobal warming nutjob?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Thank you for proving SCOTUS stopped the recount.

  • sayanything-4625

    sh was not elected.
    SCOTUS stopped the recount.

    After the Florida Supreme Court violated its own election law, but I see you don’t mention that.

  • sayanything-4625

    Elections are a state issue, are they not?

    Yes and no, the states are allowed to design their own electoral system. They are not allowed to change their law on the fly and they are not allowed to ignore it all together.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Thank you.

    It truly was a mistake by Gore to select a few districts instead of a full state recount.

  • Kidtransport

    The entire state WAS recounted–many times by the news media, some political watchgroups, etc. I don’t believe ANY of the recounts ever showed Gore winning. Believe me if they had we would have heard about it loudly and clearly! It was following this that the Dems have refined the process for winning recounts–like MN for instance?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    bush was not elected.
    SCOTUS stopped the recount.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    It figures that you support the ayatollahs, Dino.

    You are so addled you don’t even know up from down.

  • robert108

    We should be protesting the cheating by Obama in the last election, btw.

  • exceller

    These kids want change, they want freedom. They don’t want to live anymore under centuries old theocratic barbaric laws. They see the changes in Iraq, they see the freedoms that have ensued since the fall of Saddamm. Now they are motivated to toss overboard the regime in Iran and finally join the modern world.

    This is the direct result of George Bush’s tough mideast policy. Over time you will see one country after another become somewhat westernized and more democratic.
    George Bush, a leader who changed the mideast for the better.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    DINO – 10 to 1 these demonstrations were orchestrated by the US.

    The US is the troublemaker in the world.

    This “DINO” character is an America hating Obama voter.

    No, seriously, I HATE this country and think it should disappear. No more united states. It’s the cause of most of the world’s problems. It’s like a cancer.

    Just split it up and let it lose its power. Done. Finished.

    DINO on January 13, 2009

    Draw your own conclusions.

  • pparets

    rbb says…

    SCOTUS stopped the recount.

    Actually, it didn’t. The court ruled that the Florida Supreme Court could not cherry-pick precincts in which to recount the vote. SCOTUS ruled that any recount must be state-wide to guarantee equal protection and that Florida had run out of time to do so.

    In a per curiam decision, the Court in Bush v. Gore held that the Florida Supreme Court’s method for recounting ballots was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court also held that no alternative method could be established within the time limits set by the State of Florida. Three concurring justices also asserted that the Florida Supreme Court had violated Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the Constitution, by misinterpreting Florida election law that had been enacted by the Florida Legislature.

  • Lioncourt

    The difference between the Bush and the Obama administration is that Iran was happy to have Ahmadinejad.

    This is progress.

  • Douglas

    If you look at your mainpage right now, it reads like this, including the sidebar.

    “Violence and Massive Demonstrations Erupt in North Dakota Tea Party Iran.”

    It’s a strange mesh.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Not surprising.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Elections are a state issue, are they not?

    Why did SCOTUS include language in their ruling that denied the use of its ruling in future cases?

    SCOTUS stopped the recount.
    We lost for the next eight years.

    I wish the Iranians all the best.

  • robert108

    The difference between the Bush and the Obama administration is that Iran was happy to have Ahmadinejad.

    I’m sure it had nothing to do with Obama’s pandering/appeasement and his announcement of A’jad’s “right” to nuclear power(weapons). /sarcasm

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Ah, our soi dissant veteran and jd pronounces his latest judgement in an area outside his narrow expertise without a scintilla of supporting evidence…

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