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You’re dead on, Rob:

We’ve slid from an era of personal responsibility to an era of, hey, that’s not my problem and what’s in it for me, ayway?

That video is a crying shame, and shame on those people for just letting it happen.

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You forgot to mention the “John Edwards” factor, Rob.  Anyone who even touched that guy would be potentially liable for any of his injuries.  Don’t ever forget the influence of trial lawyers on our polite society.

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The man is paralyzed now.
The video is horrid and the actions of all the people are shameful… not to mention the two cars passing illegally on a double yellow line and caused this heinous tragedy.
The actions are despicable to say the least.
People better start cleansing their souls now or learn to shovel coal

You forgot to mention the “John Edwards” factor, Rob.  Anyone who even touched that guy would be potentially liable for any of his injuries.

Good point.  No good deed goes unpunished.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Blame the lawyers.

Nobody at the scene was shielded by CT Good Samaritan law. I’m not being heartless; I’m being realistic. If anybody helped this poor guy they could lose everything they own in a lawsuit—thanks to the failure of the CT legislature.:(

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap925.htm#Sec52-557b.htm

The guy should have used a crosswalk.  Classic case of Darwinism here.

The guy should have used a crosswalk.  Classic case of Darwinism here.

And that matters how?

An idiotic, senseless thing to say, Jack.

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Everybody is commenting about the bystanders and saying how can they be so cruel. 
Well...what I think is that many of the bystanders did want to help, they just didnt know how to help.
Think of what they would be undergoing:
1. Most of them have never seen such an accident… so they might have gone in a state of disbelief.
2. The man is severely hurt.  They might feel they will hurt the person more by moving him.  They might be more comfortable dialing 911 and allowing professionals handle this.
3. They might be afraid of legal complications involved with helping the person.  In a country where people get sued for serving coffee that is too hot, you might get sued for dragging an injured person from the middle of the road to the sidewalk, if it could be proved that he would have been in a better condition when left there!
I feel somebody should write about how one can help such a victim rather than complain about the bystanders not helping.

Richard Prker:

Well, they MIGHT have at least blocked traffic until help could get there.

They MIGHT have stayed by the guy’s side until help arrived.

They MIGHT have done what decent adults should do at such a scene.

They MIGHT have. But they didn’t, did they?

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Rob

I am tired of you dissing the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The poorest areas of New Orleans took the brunt of the storm. Many of those people did not have the means to get out (a boat, for instance). Further many of the elderly ones probably suffered from that “nest” syndrome.
You know, where this is home and they refuse to leave it.

Some poor old guy just get nailed by a hit-and-run in the street?  Heck, that’s the police department’s problem.  Not yours.

I have seen many COPS TV shows and they have never helped an injured victim. They just stand around talking about the incident until medics arrive.

Will you give the real victims a break!

Many of those people did not have the means to get out (a boat, for instance).

Bullshit!  Ask “Schoolbus” Nagin about that.  The real tragedy of NO was the corrupt and inept Dem administrations that made it the way it was.  Thank God they have a Republican gov now.

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If they only had access to a bus before the flood!

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I have seen many COPS TV shows…

Ah yes, a dose of learned insight and community based reality thanks to proud member Watashiwa, the voice of reason, sanity, and authority.

The government wants us to be helpless idiots in need of someone else (ie, a government agency) to come to the rescue.  The only thing government needs is for people to need it.

Watashiwa -

You posted on the wrong thread but since you did, here’s what I said over at the appropriate one:

Nice going, libs....

None of you live here and have seen the way the goodies have been squandered or the advantage taken by some of those “victims”.

Katrina was a horror, no doubt. I was there for the WHOLE show. But it IS being milked for all its worth by as many as can - INCLUDING New Orleans politicians, who hide their own hopeless incompetence behind their blame on the feds for not doing enough.

Get over yourselves. I watched the eye wall walk right over me and fought through the aftermath. You saw it on the news or read abot it in the paper - still do.

Feh.

Can I make it any plainer?

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Isn’t life in large cities wonderful? But hey, the restaurants are great.

Proof.  The NO was incompetent.  They had no transportation plan to speak of and certainly did not implement it.  We have a much detailed plan for our county!  I have seen it as part of my FEMA/State Guard training.  Then, the police virtually abandoned their posts!

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I don’t really think it’s so much that we have no regard for one another, but rather that we’ve lost a sense of personal responsibility. ...

Rather than acting, these pedestrians stood around and waited for someone else to act. Some authority figure, most likely a government agent like a police officer and/or rescue worker.

Just like the victims of hurricane Katrina sat around and waited for someone else to rescue them instead of doing what they could to get out of harm’s way.

What a completely insane post!

First, the pedestrians aren’t “victims”....the victim who was hit by the car was.  Therefore, it can not be “just like the victims of Katrina”. 

Is this guy supposed to get up and save himself or is he waiting for someone to rescue him?  Rob suggests that people should have rescued him, and idiot Pilgrim agrees.

Then the morons couldn’t even make a valid comparison.  By their standard, what they could have argued is that because Americans are so used to being helped by pedestrians, people sat around in New Oreleans waiting for people to rescue them.  However, only because everyone was well vested in their own personal responsibility, they rescued themselves. 

Rob can’t even make a simple point.

Make up your mind dolt, do you want them to have personal responsibility to take care of themselves or not?  If so, then why are you expecting other people to help out?

If you want other people to help out, all the time, then don’t get upset if pedestrians expect others to take care of victims in the time of need.

How completely stupid of you!

If you are arguing for personal responsibility then you should expect VICTIMS to take care of themselves, you idiot!

We have become a nation of victims.  People who do not act, but instead wait around until they are acted upon.

So you expected the man to help himself??  Do you even understand what personal responsibility IS?????

You meant SOCIAL responsibility you idiot.  SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.

This is what you get when the feeble minded start blogs.  This completely stupid post is nothing more than an insane logical backflip.

What is funny is that it not one conservative sheep stopped for a moment to think, or correct Rob on his insane rant.  Not one! 

This insane logic is applied to most of his political views.  His logic is completely distorted by his bias and obsession of partisan politics.

Absolutely insane!

The responsibility of pedestrians would be to make sure that they stopped traffic and call 911. Moving the man in any way without knowing his injuries would have been a huge mistake, as paramedics and firefighters understand.

Jack,

The guy should have used a crosswalk.  Classic case of Darwinism here.

That’s a ridiculous statement.

Richard Parker,

You’re right on point with all three.

I know it’s pointless answering any of your comments, Hannitized, but I think my point was perfectly apt.

Personal responsibility means taking responsibility for a given situation.  When you see someone else get hurt you don’t stand there and wait for some authority to come and fix the problem.  You act.  You block traffic, etc.

Anyway, I do love how you focus on some made-up little point in every post and then go on and on about that one thing completely ignoring the larger points which are apparently always so well-made that you can’t respond to them.

What you succeed at is making yourself look like an ass.  Which is why I love it that you comment here.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob suggests that people should have rescued him, and idiot Pilgrim agrees.

H, you missed the point by locking on to a very minor difference which when considered in light of the much larger issue is no difference at all.

Let me explain it to you.  It takes personal responsibility to act morally and come to the rescue of an individual in need of help.  You might recall the good (ie, moral) Samaritan who helped a victim of a crime?  To avoid helping this man is irresponsible because it is immoral. 

The tendency of individuals to look to government in this instance bespeaks the lack of morality and therefore personal responsibility.  We owe this conditioning to liberal ideology which implicitly denies unalienable rights and seeks to establish the government as the answer to all the challenges and problems of civilization. 

H, I did see your point, but had you considered the morality of the act, personal responsibility should have been evident.

What you succeed at is making yourself look like an ass.  Which is why I love it that you comment here.

True, Rob; he makes the rest of us look better by comparison.  Nothing like an angry teenager to make intelligent adults look even more so.

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Robby,

Personal responsibility means taking responsibility for a given situation.  When you see someone else get hurt you don’t stand there and wait for some authority to come and fix the problem. You act.  You block traffic, etc.

That is what is commonly referred to as SOCIAL responsibility, not PERSONAL. 

Helping others is social responsiblity, personal responsibility is taking responsibility for yourself and your life.

I don’t have the patience to argue such nonsense with you.  You aren’t honest enough to have the debate.

Human Services Education: Social Responsibility And Helping Others

http://fcs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/11/4/359

True, Rob; he makes the rest of us look better by comparison.  Nothing like an angry teenager to make intelligent adults look even more so.

OMG.  Robert, you’re a twit.

I take personal responsibility for myself, therefore, others should help me????

That makes no sense you idiot.

Eunichized,

Now we know.  You’re just another animal in human form which is growing old without ever growing up or growing wise.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Beardsley,

Here is where you idiots fall short.

When people are hurt and need help.....HELP them.  Should they expect your help when they are incapable of helping themselves?  Yes, as Rob suggests before contradicting himself like an idiot.

If you accept personal responsibility, you should do everything you can to take care of yourself, and not expect help from others.  Unless you are an idiot like Rob and think it means that others should help you.

Would I help this person who was hit?  Yes.  Do I do it out of personal responsibility?  No, out of social responsibility.

Now, what happened to Katrina victims who couldn’t help themselves?  Nobody helped them and Rob is complaining that they should have helped themselves.

Moral of the story?  Rob is an idiot.

Actually, the moral of the story is that Rob wants to pick on people for not helping victims, and then pick on people for being victims and not helping themselves.

See the problem here?  Rob simply wants to pick on people..for no reason, because Robs brain and reason go together like chinese food and chocolate pudding or like cocaine and waffles.

...Rob is complaining that they should have helped themselves.

Wrong. Nagin and Blanco should have helped them.  The corrupt Dem power structure should have helped them by properly maintaining the levees and by providing a shelter with food and water, even when they failed to use the schoolbuses which were readily available.
Spoken like an angry teenage moron, H.

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How can anyone on the left find fault with Rob’s argument here?

Good grief. Drop the partisanship.

Actually, the moral of the story is that Rob wants to pick on people for not helping victims, and then pick on people for being victims and not helping themselves.

Many of the Katrina victims could have helped themselves by “getting out of harms way”, as Rob put it.  This man was unable to help himself and therefore at the mercy of the kindness of others.  They, like some of the Katrina victims, lacked the decency to do anything.

The common denominator here is not victimhood, but an inability to act responsibly.

Come on H, you’re smarter than that.

Eunichized,

When was the last time you stopped to render aid?

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

HG,

demonstrably, based on what we see here, no he is not.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

RG,

Demonstrably, H is so eager to find fault that he hastily pounced on what he imagined to be a double standard applied to victims.  When in reality the same standard of decency was applied to those capable of acting responsibly in both situations.  Rob’s priority of responsibility and decency in these situations stems from his respect for the individual and the rights of the individual.  H thinks it an error to expect that this sense of moral responsibility guide the actions of all, even those victims capable and therefore responsible to act.  Apparantly, the state of being a victim removes the responsibility to act with kindness and decency in these situations, or so it would seem from H’s hasty response.

Leave it to a liberal to imagine Rob’s comparison requires some sort of moral dilemma.

H’s hasty response.

Emotions are quick; thought takes time.

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Moral of the story?  Rob is an idiot.

Troll droppings. Having evacuated what little moral fiber he had, the troll graces us with a constant, runny trail of meconium.
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This was a setup, that car was probably stolen and that was a gang initiation, loot at the video closely.  Thats a 2 way street meaning traffic going and traffic coming, but the 2 cars jumped at that man and blocked him in.  One on the side and the other headed right for him!  Then as the two cars leave they both go the same way!  Either this was a set up, or somebody had to do something to a person to get accepted in a gang, or ranked.  Either way this was very inhumane and where is CSI and all the other so good crime investigators that be in the shows when a crime like this happens.  They could easily get the person’s License plate number from the video, or let me guess, its just all a bunch of crap and law enforcement get lucky with that type of technology??

Q., not to burst your little psuedo “gang” theory, but it would appear that there is a car going into a parking spot on the right side of the street.  There are 2 cars following that one, the car directly behind starts to go around the parking car and the one hehind him follows suit.  The cars swerve into the opposing lane not realizing the pedestrian is there and the first car is able to react moving just to the side and the second car can not react and hits the person.  Hardly a gang thing.

The fact that no one even moved to help the man, stop traffic, or at least comfort him is dispicable.  I couldn’t possibly imagine not going to help him.

It’s been a long time since I read this, so I may not be 100 percent accurate.

I believe that psych studies show that the larger the group, the less likely any particular individual is to render help. The Smaller the group the more likely someone will render help.

Don’t forget the demographics of downtown Hartford - mostly low-income black and latino.  Sad, but true that most (not all - there are a few exceptions) inner-city low-income folks (especially the youth) are animalistic in nature; thus this act of inhumanity should be no less surprising then the daily inner-city violence.  CNN’s headline for this article was aptly entitled, “Like a dog, they left him there” - this is the essence of inner-city America: dirty, gritty, and animalistic -a sociological cesspool.

Be careful Glenn. Some don’t like it when we call out the “Great Society” for what it is.

I watched the video several times.  It appeared to me when the gentleman got hit, a lady I think went into the store to call the police.  Which is what needed to be done.  However, I don’t get why not one person went near him to see if they could help the poor man.  Very Sad!!!!!!

I AM TRULY SHOCKED THAT PEOPLE PST BY AND DIDN’T TRY TO HELP. I WOULD HELP. I MADE THAT DECISION IN NUSRSING SCHOOL, YOU KNOW IN THE HOSPITAL WE WEAR GLOVES ALL THE TIME AND IT’S UNLIKRLY THAT I WOULD HAVE ANY HANGIN OUT IN MY CAR. iF THATS THE WAY GOD WANTS ME DOE, SO BE IT. I WOULD HATE THE RIDICULE OF NOT STOPPING. WHAT;S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY, WE ARE FIGHTING WARS, YES WE REFUSE TO HLP OUR OWN,IOT’S SAD SAD SAD.

regina queen of fools,

SHOUTING is at best a very poor substitute for having a cogent point.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Some don’t like it when we call out the “Great Society” for what it is.

LOL… and wow, don’t I know that!

Many of the Katrina victims could have helped themselves by “getting out of harms way”, as Rob put it. This man was unable to help himself and therefore at the mercy of the kindness of others.  They, like some of the Katrina victims, lacked the decency to do anything.

Nice contradiction!  So were the Katrina victims supposed to help themselves or be helped by OTHERS?????  Make up your mind!  Please answer this, who was supposed to do something....and what were they supposed to do?

Further, how can people who don’t have cars help themselves by “getting out of harms way”?  You act like there was enough transportation or time.  There wasn’t.

But that isn’t even the point of my argument.

Again, Rob wants to pick on people for not helping victims, and then pick on people for being victims and not helping themselves.  You just said the same stupid thing Rob did.

This argument is utter non-sense...as proved by Roberts contradicting statement;

Nagin and Blanco should have helped them.  The corrupt Dem power structure should have helped them by properly maintaining the levees and by providing a shelter with food and water, even when they failed to use the schoolbuses which were readily available.

So then they Mayor was supposed to help the poor man who was struck by the car then?  Make up your mind!!!

Who was supposed to help the victims, an authority or everyday people.

You guys are all over the place except at the correct conclusion.

You guys are idiots.

Nice contradiction!  So were the Katrina victims supposed to help themselves or be helped by OTHERS?????  Make up your mind!  Please answer this, who was supposed to do something....and what were they supposed to do?

Realizing that you’re slow I’ll try to make it as simple as possible.

People that are able to take care of themselves SHOULD help themselves and help those that can’t help themselves.

So in the case of Katrina if the idiots would have got out of the way then it would have been easier to help those that are disabled.

To compare that with the accident in Vegas, the person lying on the road was helpless and needed assistance from others like people in nursing homes were in Katrina.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

H,

Hey, we’ve all tried to help you out of your ignorant rant, yet you persist.  You refuse to be helped.  So be it.  Good luck with that, you’re going to need it.

HG,

Here is a simple test for you.

1) Did people who escaped Katrina on their own means, but didn’t help others lack personal responsibility or have it?

Can you answer that by Robs standard?  No.

I rest my case.

So in the case of Katrina if the idiots would have got out of the way then it would have been easier to help those that are disabled.

Whistler, who in your mind are the “idiots” of Katrina?  And is Robert correct that Katrina victims should have relied on Nagen to help them?

See!  Even AFTER Katrina nobody knows who they should depend on. 

Again, you guys are all over the place!!

Whistler, who in your mind are the “idiots” of Katrina?  And is Robert correct that Katrina victims should have relied on Nagen to help them?

People that were able to help themselves that didn’t are idiots.  Ray Nagin was stupid for not doing what he could to make it easier for people to leave.

And you’re an idiot for not realizing that. 

In the case of the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana a hurricane is a very foreseeable and catastrophic event.  It is their responsibility to have an evacuation plan and follow up on it.

On the other hand if I lived below sea level you could rest assured that I would have been out of there with or without help.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Personal Responsibility

Responsibility is not a burden, it’s a blessing

Today’s subject is responsibility. Not social responsibility, which is a separate issue, but personal responsibility. When we take responsibility, we admit we are the ones responsible for the choices we make. We, not other people or events, are responsible for the way we think and feel. It is our life, and we are in charge of it. We are free to enjoy it or disdain it. No, we are not responsible for all that happens to us, but we are responsible for how we think, feel, and act when they happen.

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Point me to where they talk about helping others!  Case closed, again.

So then they Mayor was supposed to help the poor man who was struck by the car then? Make up your mind!!!

You make the teenage mistake of thinking that there is any equivalence between a natural disaster affecting thousands of people, and a traffic accident affecting only one person.  There is no real contradiction, only your abject stupidity and lack of intelligence.

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Eunichized the beardless catamite has still not informed us of when he last stopped to render aid.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Whistler, who in your mind are the “idiots” of Katrina? And is Robert correct that Katrina victims should have relied on Nagen to help them?

You’re lying again, angry teenager!  I said no such thing.  It was Nagin’s job to help the citizens who elected him to a position of responsibility, and he didn’t do his job.  Had Nagin done his job, and had the citizens of NO not had their own independence sapped by generations of Dem rule, they would have cooperated to help themselves, and to help those who couldn’t help themselves.  None of that happened, and the MSM blamed the President.
BTW, there is absolutely no equivalence between Katrina and this traffic accident.

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People that were able to help themselves that didn’t are idiots. 

Just out of curiosity, what percentage of the Katrina victims are idiots?  You sure act like you know, so I am assuming you have information.

Ray Nagin was stupid for not doing what he could to make it easier for people to leave.

And you’re an idiot for not realizing that.

First, I haven’t defended Nagen.  Second, you didn’t answer the question.  Should the people of New Orleans have expected to have been helped by Nagen and Blanco, as Robert suggested, yes or no?

Third, what should Nagen have done, and who should have benefitted from his actions?

In the case of the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana a hurricane is a very foreseeable and catastrophic event.  It is their responsibility to have an evacuation plan and follow up on it.

So then you EXPECT that they should have been able to evacuate people?  Yes or no?

Eunichized the beardless catamite has still not informed us of when he last stopped to render aid.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

BTW, there is absolutely no equivalence between Katrina and this traffic accident.

Thank you!!!!  That is exactly my point.

Did you catch that Rob???

I said no such thing.  It was Nagin’s job to help the citizens who elected him to a position of responsibility,

So then people should have expected he would do his job???  Yes or no??

When, if ever, has the beardless catamite stopped to render assistance?  The world wonders…

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

H,

1.  You are NOT an attorney (a point in your favor) so stop trying to act like one!  You ain’t no prosecutor, and nobody owes you any sort of answer to any of your questions, so stop demanding one!  Please back away from the testosterone and behave yourself!

2.  There was, and probably still is, an emergency evacuation plan for the City of New Orleans, which neither Ray Nagin nor Governor Blanco had the first clue about.  That plan involved the use of all of those hundreds of big yellow school buses to evacuate the affected parts of the city.  You remember those buses, don’t you?  The ones that sat empty and unused in their parking area until they filled up… with water.  The responsibility for implementing that plan and evacuating people was Ray Nagin’s.  He failed to do his job.  Miserably.

3.  That plan, and FEMA regulations, required the Governor to notify the Federal government and formally request FEMA assistance.  The very same procedures as when a tornado strikes… or a flood… or a drought, as was recently the case in California.  The point is, federal disaster assistance is made available by federal law when the chief executive of the state declares the disaster area and formally requests federal aid.  Blanco, oblivious from her heels to her earrings, took nearly 3 days to do so.  She didn’t have a clue either.

3.  The gross ineptitude of both Nagin and Blanco aside, anyone other than the seriously infirm, who did not evacuate their own asses out of New Orleans just before Katrina has no one to blame but themselves.  There was, after all, plenty of warning.  Those who voted in Nagin and Blanco were doubly at fault.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

You are NOT an attorney (a point in your favor) so stop trying to act like one!

look whos talking! its mr. i-will-twist-the-shit-out-of-ca1-precedents! STFU! your ability to interpret legal documents has been demonstrated to be worse than wrong.

Bat,

1.  The silly argument that I am not a lawyer, therefore I don’t deserve answers on a debate reveal two things.  One, that answering my questions would prove my rivals are not being honest or logical.  Two, that there is no intellectual honesty on behalf of my partisan rivals.

2.  This post is not about bashing Nagen or Blanco.  It is about Robs suggestion that personal responsibility should have saved both citizens and victims.  I am not taking the bait, because I don’t excuse fault where fault exists.

3.  Robs post is stupid, because it is reasonable to expect that people are going to do their jobs and assist people in need, as you, Whistler and Robert so ineptly demonstrate.

The second 3.  What about people who didn’t have their own cars?  How were they supposed to evacuate?  What were those busses supposed to ship?  Food or people?

I don’t really think it’s so much that we have no regard for one another, but rather that we’ve lost a sense of personal responsibility.

ROb,
Nice politicization of this. Sicko. Goddamn right people don’t care for others. We are in Iraq, killing people… because they are defending their backyards. You know I would do the same with my backyard. OH, we care! We’re just not responsible. My ass! On with your little schtick… Personally I blame the manufacturers of Xanax, Valium, and the lot. They like profit, people get stupid and complacent. Oh wait… totally unrelated. that’s just an agenda… my bad.

This is news? A guy who gets hit by a car in Connecticut? How many people get hit by cars?

sparkie,

The only things you have ever managed to demonstrate are a willfully foul demeanor, a hopeless ineptitude at punctuation, and the obvious futility of a career choice in philosophy?

Is Ben and Jerry’s still not hiring?  Pity!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

bat
good point. oh, wait… that was just slander.

bat
see here, here, and here. what’s your profession?

the % of our population capable of being admitted to DPhil, PhD, etc. progs is abysmally low. your slander is praise. thanks.

The silly argument that I am not a lawyer, therefore I don’t deserve answers on a debate reveal two things.  One, that answering my questions would prove my rivals are not being honest or logical.  Two, that there is no intellectual honesty on behalf of my partisan rivals.

H,

1.  It wasn’t an “argument” but an analogy, a comparison of your behavior to a known and generally despised standard.  Next time I’ll be less gracious about it and simply label you a bully.

2.  What you think about any of your “partisan rivals” is largely irrelevant, unless you can convince them to give credence to your point of view.  And it hardly seems as though you’re making much progress in that department.  If nobody much cares what you think, except to amuse themselves on occasion, then whether you think of them as honest or logical really doesn’t much matter.  As a thoughtful conservative, I can’t help but notice the difference in how those of us on/in The Right approach your manic tantrums and how we deal with the more thoughtful and well-reasoned comments of Mike Adamson… despite the fact that we usually disagree with both of you.  The difference is a stark one.

Perhaps you’ll come to understand that as you get older.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Beardsley,

The last time I stopped to render assistance, that I can remember, was in 2002.  A kid was skateboarding down a street in PortLock.  He hit a rock, fell and had serious head injury.

His friends were there but didn’t know what to do, I called the police and waited till an ambulance arrived.  I told them to keep him awake as he was falling asleep.  He died that night with serious head trauma.

I don’t come across those situations everyday.  But i guess when I do, I help.

the % of our population capable of being admitted to DPhil, PhD, etc. progs is abysmally low. your slander is praise. thanks.

“Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain.”

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat
you are a pagan? polytheist?

click the links.

My last was an 8 car pileup on I-680 ca. 2006.  Blessedly there were no fatalities.  I’ve been seeing a two to three year average for being early on the scene of such things, which means I’m coming due again…

Fewer and fewer stop to render assistance I find, and the more urban the location, the less aid I see rendered.

You might want to think on that some.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Bat,

1.  Your understanding of argument is about as sophisticated as your sophomoric attempts at ad hominem.  Neither you nor they are interesting in the least. 

What you are feebly attempting to do is deflect them from the logical argument I am clobbering them with.  They have painted themselves in the corner and you can’t stand it.  It’s very transparent to anyone with a brain.

And don’t bother lecturing ME about bullying.  Look at what you just did to Sparkie.

2. By stating my judgement of my rivals matters not, yet my rivals judgment of me, matter, is about as juvenile a argument you could have made.

Nevertheless you have succeeded in distraction.  Now the argument is clouded with your inane logical smokescreen.

I see right through it and you.

Ok...so I meant “inane logic”....doh!

Rodney,

Are you saying that living so close to town could make me less likely to aid people in need?

I would say living in SF that could be true.  In Hawaii people here are still pretty community oriented.  A guy stole my truck and returned it up the street after he cleaned out my rubbish and organized my bills.  He didn’t steal a thing except and HP blinking pen.

I hate HP........

Neither you nor they are interesting in the least.

H,

But then why are you bothering to answer?  Hmmm?  Surely it isn’t out of personal courtesy!

And don’t bother lecturing ME about bullying.  Look at what you just did to Sparkie.

Sparkie will be just fine, and if you were at all inclined to pay any sort of attention to anyone else but yourself, you’d know that he and I go through this little dance fairly frequently.  I have great respect for his intellectual gifts, and sometimes his opinions too.

Now the argument is clouded with your inane logical smokescreen.

I see right through it and you.

Mixing metaphors with paradox is best left to more talented and experienced writers, kid.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

But then why are you bothering to answer?  Hmmm?  Surely it isn’t out of personal courtesy!

They = your arguments.

I answer because that is what you do in a debate/arguemnt, at least that is what “I” do.  Clearly my opponents run from them.

Sparkie will be just fine, and if you were at all inclined to pay any sort of attention to anyone else but yourself, you’d know that he and I go through this little dance fairly frequently. I have great respect for his intellectual gifts, and sometimes his opinions too.

So it’s OK for you to attack people, but it is not OK for me to ask questions????

Bat, did you have your cup of coffee today?

Mixing metaphors with paradox is best left to more talented and experienced writers, kid.

Now the argument is clouded with your inane logic-less smokescreen.

I see right through it and you.

sparkie,

Excuse the interruption!

I am neither a pagan nor a polytheist, but a moderately devout Christian.  And like most other honest ones, I acknowledge the difficulties of living up to the tenets of my faith.  The quote, as you no doubt know, is from Schiller, though I suspect he wrote it more in a fit of secular exasperation than as a philosophical insight.

As for IQs, I assume your intent was to imply a level of intellectual superiority.  Congratulations!  But this entire discussion is about averages and generalizations, which makes any specific conclusions moot.  Of all the high IQ people I’ve known or known about, it seems to me that an inordinate number of them were either unhappy or suffered from some physical affliction.  And of course, most people are aware that intelligence, however its measured, is no substitute for what is euphemistically called, “common sense.”

As for that DPhil program,