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Video has been taken down.  I read that the puppy was likely dead.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

It’s no more ridiculous to try to pump one incident into proving that all soldiers are psychopaths than it is to deny frantically that any such thing ever, ever happens when a large group of frightened, armed young men get together in a war zone. Let’s face it, a group of 140,000 may be way too small to manage an occupation, but statistically it’s going to contain some emotionally troubled and immature people who can’t handle the extraordinary stress of combat.

Is killing a puppy worse than 9/11? Obviously not. Is it our concern if people like this are establishing the image of the U.S. as a heartless, imperial invader with people all over the U.S.? You bet your right-wing patootie it is.

as a librul i have to agree with you 100% this is not a story move on, there are sadistic jerks anywhere, probably less in soldiers than the general population, but do think that the reason this story has legs has nothing to do with the evil mainstream media.

This is a white girl lost in aruba kind of story.  You got a cute puppy being thrown over a cliff.  So, basically you have to just give up and let the story play out.  Next on Fox News, Shocking Video of Puppy thrown over Cliff.  But, Most Marines are Honorable.  And Now another View of That Puppy Clip.

Apparently, YouTube has pulled the video.

Michelle Malkin noted earlier today that the “puppy” had an unnatural stiffness, suggesting that it was either already dead, or that it was a stuffed animal rather than a live one.  I guess we’ll never know for sure, and this will remain one of life’s more shallow mysteries.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Some other ways of figuring out whether it’s real or not:

1.  Conservation of momentum; the body of the thrower will go backwards as it’s being thrown if it weighs much.

2.  Bones or none; the “animal” will tend to flex around the hand in a way that reflects the fact that it does, or does not, have bones.

My take; given how quickly it went around liberal sites, I’m guessing it was a joke that nobody thought about before posting it as reality.

Now that’s a scandal.

it’d be nice if the people on the left currently trying to manufacture this into some grand “our soldiers are monstrous sociopaths” theory a la the New York Times were capable of this level of disgust when it comes to the things our enemies do in the name of their cause.

It called holding yourself to a higher standard than you hold others. Maybe you should join the military and go fight the enemies? Oh wait, you’ve got other things to do, I’m sure.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oSzw0bc9FiY

“Michelle Malkin noted earlier today...”

Well, that settles it!

Anyone who sees the video - which I posted above, will know they’re looking at a live dog - you can see its mouth moving. It’s unbelieveable that Warpublicans are such idiots thay think US Women and Baby Killers would be remiss to toss a dog over a cliff. Scott beauchamp detailed soldiers killing dogs last year. And you tries to shut him down as well…

Unfortunately, Conservative war supporters made the “Rule of Black & White” (i.e. “if you’re against the war, you’re against the troops").

Therefore, all war supporters support the dog killing troops.  Too bad you don’t get the opportunity to support some soldiers and not others.

Sorry.  Them’s the rules!

Actually, “Warpublican Review,” it turns out that Beauchamp was not shouted down.  Rather, a number of veterans, as well as soldiers currently serving in Iraq and elsewhere, provided information that clearly proved his claims to be complete fabrications.

Kinda like your claim that the dog’s mouth is moving.  Sorry, but I can’t resolve that in a grainy YouTube video, even if I can believe that your source didn’t make use of Photoshop to try to insert that while putting Al-Qaida propaganda in it.

The reality is that the Marines are going through this, frame by frame, and most likely interrogating the grunts who put this video up, to determine what really happened.  One side of the political spectrum respects this process.  The other is telling us that the dog’s mouth is moving, and that Scott Beauchamp was shouted down.

Therefore, all war supporters support the dog killing troops.

It’s a FUCKING DOG. I can’t believe people are getting all bent out of shape over this.

Remember, whether you “support the troops” or not, they are our representatives abroad. They need not be the best human beings, but they DO need to be on their best behavior.

Toss this guys in the brig for a while, let ‘em rethink their actions. Even if it’s not a real dog, they still make the US look terrible. Image is very important.

Hmmm.  I wonder what Little Green Footballs‘ take on this may be.  They have been very good about debunking photo-shopped and faked news coming out of Al Jazeera and AP Jazeera.

I do hope that it was a fake.  If it was true it was uncalled for violence against an innocent.  I recall that in some Vietnam-era snake-eating training (as the Army SF-types were called) one exercise was purportedly to give the trainees a cute puppy, allow them to befriend it, then order them to kill and possibly eat it.  It was intended to break them from the soft, pink fuzzy-bunny, suburban mindset into one hardened into the willingness to kill under orders.

I should state that I never saw the rumored exercise first-hand (and I did work with SF-types in Robin Sage exercises) nor heard of it discussed by any SF or SEAL types while in training.  I can see, however, how such an exercise might be used in SERE training (Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape), or POW training.  Not for the cruelty aspect, but for sheer survival.

All in all, I hope this was a fake.  If it isn’t, it is a bad thing, but against the backdrop of that region as a whole, it is small potatoes.  How about Al Jazeera doing a video special of the torture chambers or rape rooms of Saddam’s Iraq, or the stoning and mutilation of women in Iran?

It’s the old game of moral equivalence.

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Rand,

What say we have an investigation and if warranted a trial before we start throwing folks in the brig?  Unless of course you are willing to he held to the same standard you are proposing, where the accusation is sufficient grounds for imprisonment in and of itself…

Oh, and Warpublican Review, Michelle Malkin has a far better track record than Markos ”screw them” Moulitsas, in terms of both accuracy and honesty.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

The military in many ways is a reflection of our society, and just like at home there are assholes in the military, it is a fact of life. These guys need to be shipped home and discharged ASAP, General Discharge for not being fit for service.

Now if it was a liberal they were throwing off that cliff and laughing, I mean they should be getting ready for the medal ceremony (Just kidding, I think!)

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Our media follow the lead of the Muslim extremist media in hyping this.  While, if true, it is sad, but at the end of the day it is but a single puppy.

Contrast this to their deafening silence on the atrocities that are being carried out to this day.

One such atrocity is the Iranian death by hanging of a 16 year old girl.

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Killing the puppy? I wish two things about this horrible, disgraceful incident.

First, that it had never happened, for more reasons than I need to bore you with.

Second, that the MSM would have focused the same amount of attention on Al Qaida in Iraq burning two human prisoners alive last month.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Just a clarification… the service members involved were Marines, not soldiers.

US Army service members == soldiers
US Marine Corps service members == Marines
US Marine Corps service members =/= soldiers.

The USMC has expressed its outrage over this (if it proves to be true). 

...and yes, despite the fact that the military is far more well-behaved than the general population, there will be a few bad apples (that they do a great job of getting rid of when they are identified).

To The Whistler

The puppy was not dead it was alive anyway in the first place.

Always fascinating to see psychic powers at work:

The puppy was not dead it was alive anyway in the first place.

...and we all know that it was the Cigarette Smoking Man who really shot JFK, ‘cause we saw that too!

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

It was a dog. Not a little girl. Not your grandmother.
It was a cruel, childish, sadistic act by some not very good, and I hope not representative, soldiers.
I knew a few guys like that in the Marines. Not many, and most of them ended up in the brig or with other than honorable discharges or both. I’ve known people like that since I’ve been out. There’s a lotless you can do about them as civilians.
I just really wish they wouldn’t do things like that in public and give the service a bad name.

I’m outraged because of youtube’s anti-American censorship policy.

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It was a dog. Not a little girl. Not your grandmother.

The two prisoners al Qaida burned alive last week also weren’t my grandmother, which I guess makes it okay too.

Seeing as no one can see the video, whats your point, leftard?

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God forgive me..............I never wish harm or death on a soldier who is SUPPOSE be protecting us. What kind of soldier or inmature dip shit performs this action and is IGNORANT enough to record this???
A dog is a dog does as a dog.

I truly hope he meets his faith.

Some people are just demented.  Even though I am a Dem, I am also a gun enthusiast.  In Hawaii it’s a bit more difficult to shoot firearms, so some of us also have adjustable powered air-rifles.  I belong to an owners group that posts pics of modded out guns, rifles with night-vision scopes and anything related to shooting and hunting with them.  Some guys loved to post video of them shooting animals, such as squirrels, raccoons and coyotes.  Many videos were disturbing, but some guys just got off on it. 

Most gun owners frown on that behavior as it gives us all a bad name.  Same here with this guy.  Some people are just twisted.

Oh stop it!

I’d hate to have to admit you have a point at this late date.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

whats your point, leftard?

That ignoring the dog’s pain because “it’s just a dog” is no different from ignoring the pain of Iraqis because “they’re just Iraqis”.

Non sequitur

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that we ignore the dog’s pain, assuming that this allegation is true.  But we have seen an awful lot of propagandizing out of the Middle East—at this point it is Islamist Modus Operandi - Jenin, the little boy killed in the Israeli crossfire, the endless photoshopped imagery coming out of coverage of the IDF incursion… lies, all lies.

Then back to the incongruous comparison. 

Still, a dog is a dog. 

Humans are humans. 

Humans routinely raise and slaughter animals and we eat them after processing at Burger King, Chick-fil-A, Smokeys Bar- BQ and Capt’n Jacks’ seafood.

While humans do get particularly attached to certain animals, they are still nonetheless—at the end of the day—animals.

So to say the pain of a single puppy (assuming this piece of cinema is not simply propaganda) is wholly out of proportion and different than the suffering of many humans as a people.  It’s an inapt comparison at the very least, but also a standard Leftist attempt at moral equivalence.

It’s propaganda of the cheapest sort and not worthy of logical and honest debate.

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Still, a dog is a dog. 

Humans are humans.

Yay for the imaginary, illogical, and impossible line between “humans” and “animals”!

Yeah, there’s nothing separating humans and animals. We are all the same. It is imaginary and illogical, not to mention impossible, that there is a line between animals and human beings.

Are you serious Todd?

THe video was a bit grainy, but not so much that you can’t see that the puppy doesn’t wiggle the whole time he is holding it, it is hanging loose.  Having raised a lot of dogs, I can tell you if you hold a puppy by the scruff of his neck he twists his hind legs in the air if you don’t hold them to give him support and he will “arp” in protest to being held that way.  Having grown up on a farm where I had to work around living, sick, and dead animals, and having majored in biology and handled more carcasses that I’d care to admit, I also know that if a 4 legged animal flies through the air whether launched by a pain in the neck cousin or chased out the barn door by a stronger opponent, its limbs will flail in the air.  My assessment is that this animal was dead and it was in a transitional state of rigor.  I couldn’t get the sound, so I can’t assess supposed yelps as it was flying, but its possible that those sounds were supplemented by humans in the vicinity. 
The video of the clip I watched was so grainy, it was difficult to see the uniforms clearly but something doesn’t look right about them, like they aren’t pixelated like Marine uniforms, and the shading doesn’t have the right tones.  They look maybe like the old Desert Duty Uniforms that the US ARMY stopped using like 3 years ago, but even then not quite right. 
There are a lot of things that just seem suspicious.  But whether the guys are really Marines or actors, or whether the puppy was dead or not, someone did something really gross and horrid thing, filmed it, and then put it on the internet.  Some people are just too sick for words.

I’m sorry.

Whenever I hear the name Todd, I keep thinking of that SNL skit with Bill Murray and Gilda Radner about Mr. Lubner born-without-a-spine-God-rest-his-soul.

I’m sorry, but I can only hear Gilda lisping the name Todd through her braces.

Is that wrong?

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Still have not seen the video, have seen several frame grabs and that looks like choclatechip fatigues.

As for leftod, it sounds like a sockpuppet of davey or AV:TFR, ie, totally full of crap.

And now to dogs in the ME. They are considered as unclean as pigs, and are routinely tortured and killed in the most inhumane and brutal fashion. Add to that the drumbeat to the troops that they have to accept the local customs because we are not allowed to “judge” the actions of others. Ain’t multiculturalism wonderful?!?!?

Leftarded morons like leftod screech that people and animals are the same. Fine. Lets all start acting like animals. Since obviously animals are never going to act like humans.

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Regardless if it is a joke or not I think the guys should be thrown off a cliff. Apparently they have no life. It was a stupid fucking heartless act. The piece of shits should be kicked out of our country. If it was meant to be a joke its not one period. That puppy was defenseless and they should be charged with animal cruelty. Fucking making America look bad yet again congratufuckinlations you ignorant fuckers. This is clearly pissing me off no animal deserves that and no one like that deserves to be honored in the military. They deserve noo honor in their life. I hope if they have kids their wife leaves their sorry asses. Jackoffs. Dog or not people who get pleasure outta that are fucking mentally ill and should be locked in a mental house. With no food or water.

texasangel,

While I find the behavior reprehensible, I find the over reactions to it more so.

I have far more issue with someone who would threaten to deprive a fellow citizen of country, liberty, and the means to survive absent a verdict by a jury of their peers.  Even more so as animal cruelty, while repugnant, does not rise to the level of a hanging or banishing offense, let alone death by starvation or dehydration.

So would you care to modify/clarify your remarks, or would you like to enjoy the same level of legal protection if you were to find yourself accused of something a lot of folks find to be a “fucking heartless act”?

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Speaking of the more reprehensible behavior:

Monroe Marine’s family ‘living a nightmare’ as puppy tossing video goes viral
By Yoshiaki Nohara and Justin Arnold
Tuesday, March 4, 2008

A Monroe Marine’s sister said her family is “living in a nightmare” as news spreads around the world linking the man to a video of what appears to be a U.S. Marine throwing a puppy off a desert cliff.

Death threats and graphic descriptions of physical violence continue to be directed at the Marine and his extended family as their personal information is being spread on the Internet.

That information on Tuesday continued to be posted on various blogs, social networking sites and online forums.

So, are such threats to the family of someone accused of wrongdoing now acceptable?  Answer carefully because the shoe will wind up on another foot soon enough, and will likely pinch like hell.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

2hotel9/likwidshoe (does it really matter?)

Leftarded morons like leftod screech that people and animals are the same.

Saying “humans aren’t animals” is as illogical as saying that vegetables aren’t foods, or baseball isn’t a sport. Humans are a kind of animal; vegetables are a kind of food; baseball is a kind of sport. This isn’t difficult. (For smart people.)

todd,

If you really wish to be undifferentiated from the animals, we’ll be glad to treat you as one.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqbSi2TdwBY

If you really wish to be undifferentiated from the animals, we’ll be glad to treat you as one.

If you want to be treated like an idiot, keep making comments like that.

Todd you bad dog.  Sit!  Silence. The people are trying to talk.

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Next stop for Todd, Vietnam, where folks with two or more dogs are known as “ranchers.”

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Hey, fritz, you should post links that work.

leftod, you are an animal, I am a human being. Sorry you failed 7th grade biology.

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Todd your right, these retards were to busy listening to the ridiculous nonsense at church rather then paying attention as to how the world really works. All they can say is “your the animal not us”, because they in fact are fucking retards.

And another leftard toddles through.

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todd - Saying “humans aren’t animals” is as illogical...

Sure.

Did anyone say that?

You spend so much of your time bitching about things that nobody has said. Heh. Whatever floats your boat todd. Spend your time getting angry at your own straw men. I doubt anybody here cares much.

(For smart people.)

Well that leaves you out.

2Hotel9 - that “leftard’s” email address is .

Make of that what you will.

A spambot thats too stupid to put its spamlink in the comment. Thats typical.

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Hello,

I am a former US Marine and I have just watched the video and yes it is hard to tell if this is a real video or not but to me it seems like it just might be, unfortunatly.

I think whether it is or not it is a very sad day for our Marines.  The reality is that each and every Marine wears the uniform not only of our beloved Corps but of all service men and all Americans.

These Marines need to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their actions hence the code of Honor.  The Marine Corps also needs to take this action very seriously and expidite this investigation and not harbor these two individuals for even one day.  The punishment should be swift and there should not be a second chance for these Lance Corporals or whatever rank they are.  They should be subject to the UCMJ and they should be given a discharge unbecoming or even more suitable a dishonorable discharge as their actions truly are DISHONORABLE.  They have pinned yet another black mark on the colors of the United States Marines through this video whether it is authentic or fake.

If this is a fake video they should be put in front of the American public to answer for their actions and they should be given the same punishment as if it were real as this is what was portrayed and this was their intention as I see it.  Their intentwas for this to look real therefore they should be punished as it IS real.  This may seem harsh but their actions and their consequences are harsh to all Marines, all Americans and all civilized human beings.

These individuals carry a heavy load wearing the title “Marine” as it is not a title that is given, it is earned.  These individuals have betrayed that honor and therefore have chosen to forfeit the honor.

I am saddened on this day to see such a dispicable and horrifying video of this nature.  This poor creature did nothing wrong and these individuals should be ashamed of their actions and should honor the code of the Marines and step out of the ranks of those that came before them and those that will follow.

I apologize to all American’s on behalf of the United States Marine Crops and say this is not what we are.

Semper Fi Leathernecks and I am sorry to see something as horrible as this.

Sincerely,

LCPL Van Raden
Former US Marine 1992- 1996
0341 2/5 / 8351 Diego Garcia

This is real and not a bash against all soldiers.  You liberals need to get a life!!
It’s as simple as bringing these two soldiers to be held accountable for what they did in this incident.  You can’t blame all soldiers for a couple of jerks.  Get a job, pay taxes and get old and die!

That puppy is very much alive.  If it were dead, it’s back legs would be dangling, this animal clearly has muscle control.  This is a fine example of two monsters and any attempt to say the puppy was a doll or already dead is a weak attempt at covering up a viscious act. I can only hope that one day they can suffer a similar fate.

“These Marines need to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their actions hence the code of Honor.  The Marine Corps also needs to take this action very seriously and expidite this investigation and not harbor these two individuals for even one day.  The punishment should be swift and there should not be a second chance for these Lance Corporals or whatever rank they are.  They should be subject to the UCMJ and they should be given a discharge unbecoming or even more suitable a dishonorable discharge as their actions truly are DISHONORABLE.  They have pinned yet another black mark on the colors of the United States Marines through this video whether it is authentic or fake.”

I totally agree.  Well said.

Kim, have you heard about the prosecution of these 2 idiots? A clue?

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I’m looking… but I’m finding nothing.  Anyone else?

Perhaps you should check with DoD, DoJ, and USMC. In particular Naval Criminal Investigative Service. You know? The people who prosecute members of the Navy and Marine Corps for committing crimes? The ones who are investigating for prosecution Marines for wrongfully killing Iraqis and Afghanis. The same people investigating for prosecution these 2 morons and their immediate superior.

Or did you simply expect them to be thoroughly pilloried in the media and thrown in prison without trail?

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And for your further study, look through some of the other videos posted in the same category by idiots who are serving in the military. Not just ours. There are morons and idiots everywhere. Just look at youtube for the examples.

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Kimberly.

whether it is authentic or fake

Are you really saying that if a person throws a stuffed animal they should be dishonorably discharged?  Sometimes behavior like this is understandable in a war zone.  Personally, I could care less if someone throws a stuffed animal around.  It is much better than throwing people off a stage like one “rapper” did a year ago.  Some people also throw rocks, logs, golf balls or even people out of wrestling mats.  Some even throw small children out of high rise apartments because they refused to join a gang. 
“outrages the masses” what masses?  The small group of liberals that try to find fault with everything American? 
Glad to chat with you sometime.  Send a message, take a visit.

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