To be fair, I could see why you would assume a politician would lie. What I don’t comprehend is your ability to assume only the republican politicians in this election are lying, while at the same time, performing grammatical and contextual gymnastics in an attempt to prove your politician said something other than what he said or isn’t capable of lying.

Ah, now you are reaching for the middle. I would be happy to oblige!! Congrats.

Where do you think Obama lied? I can tell you that his relationship with Wright was a stupid one. I happen to know why the relationship existed. He was encouraged to work with him because he did so much for the community.

I doubt that he subscribed to the few rants where Wright crossed the line with his divisive speech. But you can’t criticize Obama, then give Sarah a pass.

If you can, then you must also for Obama.

Well how about he never heard Wright’s racist views in the 20 years he attended his church.

Ok, so you see what you are doing here is markedly different from what I am doing.

One, you are basing your judgement off of your imagination. You have no facts about Obama saying that he didn’t hear this or that, and then offer up facts that state the contrary. In Palins case, they said she wasn’t there at the conventions and it turns out she was.

Second; There is also no controversy about what is said that AIP meetings. We know their goal is to secede. As far as the church goes, you could argue that at least 90% of his sermons are good and not anti-American.

avoid you comrades on the extreme left of the political spectrum when sourcing a story on your political opponents.

Do you mean ABC, or do you mean Swift Votes? Swift Votes didn’t manufacture the tape. That’s the only link I could find to the video.

H,

To be fair, I could see why you would assume a politician would lie. What I don’t comprehend is your ability to assume only the republican politicians in this election are lying, while at the same time, performing grammatical and contextual gymnastics in an attempt to prove your politician said something other than what he said or isn’t capable of lying.

What are you talking about man? Sarah Palin WAS a member of the successionist party!!

More lies.

The Demoncrats are absolutely scared to death over Sarah.

Whistler that I what I am thinking as well if the Dems were not concerned about Palin why would they be making such a fuss and slinging so much mud?

If Palin is SOOOO WEAK they wouldn’t worry about her then. The NOBAMA minions are in a full court press. Like I have said before when the dems lose this presidential election I think we are going to see the dems in full melt down roll, we are going to hear charges of voter intimidation, voter fraud, Rove stealing elections and all the same crap we heard in 2004.

All NOBAMA got was a 5-6 point bounce out of his coronation/Mesiah tour.

Here you go H.

For the left, correcting the record is known as a “lie”.

Hey, if you want to believe succeeding from the Country

It’s “secede.”

Moron.

H,

Did you miss the retraction the NYT printed about the report that Sarah was a member of the AIP?

The facts on the side of Sarah were blatantly ignored in the article and the cover is purposefully misleading.

Then you have the audacity to say “Fox isn’t happy until they lie?”

Dude, you’re sick.

HG pleads:

I knew you can be a real partisan hack, but that ignorant comment is beneath the decency and fairness of humanity.

Hahaha. What are you talking about man? Sarah Palin WAS a member of the successionist party!! Pat Buchannon admits it, so do the members who she welcomed.

And because the medial reports that, they are bad people because they don’t write that McCain says “nuh-uh”???? Are you kidding me?

Your focus on the messenger and not the message when the subject, Sarah Palin, is unfairly assaulted by the leftist media is telling.

In only one case is she unfairly criticized. In the others it is fair. The FOX news castor is being emotional and unreasonable.

What a doofus. “We called to task the liberal bloggers”

“We didn’t have time to get into all of that”

“We’re missing the point here: this was a big news story…”

She bitch slapped his ass…I think the media might want to start reporting the news more even handed.

HG,

I don’t understand your comment about Obama? What you posted is not any sort of contradiction. Obama merely said the sound bites that people listen to on Youtube are not things he heard in his sermons, or in private conversations. I don’t think there is any evidence do discount that statement.

So did he hear the “sermons” or not? If not, why dis Wright?

Because it’s possible to hear “about” statements without actually being there or hearing them for yourself. And getting kind of rough is a vague statement. It could mean nothing more than his shouting, convulsing or any of the other controversial things he does.

There is nothing that would show a contradiction in statements or action from Obama on this issue.

Obama told CNN that he “didn’t know about all these statements. I knew about one or two of these statements that had been made. One or two statements would not lead me to distance myself from either my church or my pastor. … If I had thought that was the tenor or tone on an ongoing basis, then yes, I don’t think it would have been reflective of my values.”

Here you go.

Can you please provide a link where Clark, the vice chair of AIP retracted his statement?

That would be her, Lynette Clark, the same chairwoman the NYT story was based on H.

Hey, if you want to believe succeeding from the Country is in line with “Country First”, then go ahead and delude yourself

Never said it was.

Anyone with a brain can see that she is lying.

Really, that obvious eh? You’re quite the mystic then. I’ve seen no evidence and the public record says otherwise according to Ms. Clark. Just exactly how is this obvious conclusion of yours drawn?

And quite frankly you would have to be incredibly naive to believe he was a member but that she wasn’t.

It is extememly naive to assume that a husband and wife must be a member of the same political party. Just ask Carville. Why would you assume such a impossibility?

How about you provide some documentary evidence.

I DID.

There is ample evidence as demonstrated by ABC and the words of Vice Chair of the AIP who clearly stated she was a member before she became Governor.

So if he says it and other people from AIP say it then retract it….somone is lying. Or are you under the impression that there are two separate but equal realities??

H.

Credibility check: Are you ready to admit the extreme likelihood that Palin was not registered as an AIP member?

Reality check: Having answered the previous question honestly, do you not see the hysterics on your side of the isle?

H, That wasn’t all he said. He also said:

And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.”

Then later:

But according to a New York Times story from a year ago, the Obama campaign dis-invited Wright from delivering a public invocation at Obama’s candidacy announcement.

In a phone call with Wright, Obama cited a Rolling Stone story, “The Radical Roots of Barack Obama,” (the name of which has curiously been changed on the RS website) and told him, according to Wright, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.”

So did he hear the “sermons” or not? If not, why dis Wright?

The McCain camp denied she was at the conventions, turns out she was (Even Buchanan said she was there). The McCain camp is now saying she was never a member of the AIP, although the vice chair said she was, and there is evidence her husband was.

Now who in their right mind is going to believe the second claim, after the first lie? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice………….you go ahead and convince yourself HG. Nobody cares.

H, if the vice chair said it, is it possible he drew a wrong conclusion based on the fact that her husband was a member? Did he offer any record of her registration?

So you think the vice chair just didnt know that the Mayor was a member?? He just made it up because he thought it was cool?

Ok?

I’ve never read where she answered such a question.

Example: Palin put the governor’s jet on ebay. McCain assumed it sold on ebay and said so publicly.

I see what you are trying to say, however, it is one thing to get over zealous on stage, and another to collectively prepare a response behind the scenes.

If the McCain camp is this bad at checking important facts such as this, it doesn’t promise good things for providing facts in the future. Should he be elected president.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881/Obama took the title of his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope,” from a sermon by Wright, who baptized him and officiated at his wedding. He has called Wright “a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible.”

In his remarks on MSNBC, Obama expanded on a brief posting that was made under his name earlier Friday afternoon on the Huffington Post Web site.

“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” the posting said, adding that over the years, “Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life.

“In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he’s been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.”[/url]

You have no facts about Obama saying that he didn’t hear this or that, and then offer up facts that state the contrary.

H, You were saying….

If I remember the clip she kick this person ass hard.

Nice dodge, H. Truth be known, you miss nothing…

Now who in their right mind is going to believe the second claim, after the first lie?

Just because some get the facts wrong doesn’t mean there was an intention to mislead and therefore it doesn’t have to be a lie.

Nobody cares.

I’m just reserving judgment ’til the facts are known. So far your insistence is all I have to say she was a member.

So you think the vice chair just didnt know that the Mayor was a member?? He just made it up because he thought it was cool?

No, because he may have drawn a wrong conclusion based on the fact that her husband was a member like I’ve already said. You really have a hard time hearing what you read.

And in relation to George Clark, it looks like he has retracted his statement and I stand corrected.

OOHH….here is more reality for you to deny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmt0rLtgmK0&feature=related

Oh yeah, but only her husband belonged to the extremist party, not Sarah. Yeah right!!

In other words the NYT can only retract statements that someone else made and then retracted.

You are an idiot if you think the fact that the NYT had to retract what their source said relates to an overall judgement on the matter.

They simply retracted one persons comment. Yawn.

They simply retracted one persons comment.

Which was the entire basis of the story they ran. If you want to blame someone, blame the NYT and their piss-poor journalism.

Overall judgment on the matter would have to be a matter of record and apparently there is none. I know you cannot believe there is none because Palin wasn’t a member, but it will take more than insistence to make your claim anything more than a rumor which speaks to the true nature of the left.

H, if the vice chair said it, is it possible he drew a wrong conclusion based on the fact that her husband was a member? Did he offer any record of her registration?

It is obvious some are willing to lie for her.

Where is your proof that Ms. Clark is willing to lie for her?

Why don’t you wait and someone is bound to ask her, instead of creating some sort of conspiracy.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/just-what-did-o.html

Try that one H.

Hannitized – ever the defender of reason and fact – goes berserk as the sessionist fable falls apart…. Tsk Tsk.

It just HAS to be true!!

Ah, now you are reaching for the middle. I would be happy to oblige!! Congrats

There you go again making incorrect inferences.

Where do you think Obama lied?

Well how about he never heard Wright’s racist views in the 20 years he attended his church.

What do you expect from an editor whose initials are “BJ”?