Video: Some Perspective On The UC David Pepper Spray Incident

Via Gateway Pundit comes this video putting the now-infamous pepper spraying of a group of UC David “occupy” protesters into some context:

Clearly, this doesn’t exonerate the cops. But it does show that the protesters were warned that they’d be sprayed if they didn’t clear the path and that they refused to follow orders and block the path anyway.

That sort of passive resistance is illegal (these protesters do not have the right to block public thoroughfare and impede other citizens intent on going about their business) but it didn’t warrant the pepper spray. The protesters could have been arrested one at a time, and subdued with non-legal means at that point if they resisted violently.

You’d think that the cops, especially those in a protest-prone area like UC Davis, would be familiar with the fact that the occupiers are trying to provoke these kind of conflicts with authorities. When the cops respond this way, it’s only giving the protesters exactly what they want.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Nothing like a video showing cops using chemical weapons on kids sitting on the ground with their heads down to show just how far we have gone as a society, huh rube?

    • Onslaught1066

      Nothing like a video showing cops shooting kids sitting on the ground with their heads down, in the “Peoples Paradise” of your choice, huh boob?

      • borborygmi

        You are correct.  “Four Dead In Ohio.”   Nor did they get fire hosed or dogs set on them as in Bama.  That makes the pepper spray okay.

        • Onslaught1066

          See there? we’ve come a long way baby.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      “Chemical weapons”

      It’s pepper spray.  You make it sound like they were getting hosed down with anthrax or something.

      The cops were wrong, but let’s be honest.  This is exactly the sort of behavior the occupiers are hoping to provoke.

      It’s childish and stupid and exactly why most Americans who can be bothered to have an opinion about the occupiers don’t like them.

      • robert108

        Agree, except for your assertion that the cops were wrong.  They were doing their job.

        • Jamermorrow

          So were the train conductors in Nazi Germany. 

          • Thresherman

            Yeah, the police dealing with a group of slimeballs who are breaking the law are just like the friggin Nazis. 

          • Jamermorrow

            That is what they thought of Jews.

          • Thresherman

            So now the being in the OWS is akin to being a Jew in Nazi Germany?  Talk about stretching an analogy to the braking point.

          • Jamermorrow

            Doing your job is not a justification. 

          • Camsaure

            Not only that the OWS are ranting all kinds of Jewish hate rhetoric.

          • Demosthenes

            What was said? Do you have an example or are you just trolling?

          • Demosthenes

            Actually what Jamermorrow was doing was making an analogy of the Train Conductors “doing their jobs” and Robert108 saying the police officers where just “doing their job”.

            You are the one who stretched and made the analogy of OWS protestors and European Jews.

            Please make sense when criticizing someone’s comments.

          • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

            Oh wow, another Nazi comparison, nice try but the Nazi party was socialist.

          • Demosthenes

            Your limited thought process is evident. It was an analogy, twit. Not only that, it had nothing to do with the party but those being absolved of war crime because they were just “doing their jobs” or “Just following orders”.

            We can even use the examples of the American sergeant forcing his troops to murder innocent’s and then covering it up. Those who covered it up and helped also used the “following orders” scape goat.

            Just another example, your an idiot. Please think before you write.

          • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

            Listen dumbass, I am sick and tired of the left constantly dissing our military and police and comparing them to Nazis and using the Nazis defense. We know what the leftward are trying to say. We get it the left hates those in uniform.

            The fact remains that the cops asked these parasites to move and they didnt. I would have used water cannons instead of pepper spray.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Thank you sir!  Socialism = Fascism = Communism = Progressivism = Liberalism

            All varying degrees of totalitarianism/authoritarianism….  the hydra-head legacy of Marxism.

          • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

            The left likes Fascism and Socialism.

        • Guest

          Some said that about the Nazi’s as well, you fit right in with that crowd.

      • di_da_is_alpha

        I doubt that it’s even pepper spray.  If it is, it’s been diluted beyond weak.  Maybe the cops were hoping for a placebo effect.

      • borborygmi

        I volunteer Rob to get sprayed in the face with pepper spray or at least  eat  a habanero and a ghost pepper.   Take said habaneros and ghost throw them into a really hot pan and breath deep.  Just because they are natural doesn’t mean it is not painful.  

        • di_da_is_alpha

          I’d let them spray me with whatever they sprayed those nit-wits with, because like I said, it’s not pepper spray, or if it is, is’t been watered down so much that it has no effect.  Homeopathic pepper spray,  with something like 1 molecule of active ingredient per gallon of distilled water.  I had some experience with real pepper spray.  That stuff in the video was not real pepper spray.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Really?  Come back when you have real world experience with the stuff and then enthrall us with your acumen. 

          • di_da_is_alpha

            I have had experience with pepper spray and CS as well.  That’s how I KNOW that  that stuff either wasn’t pepper spray, or was so diluted as to be ineffectual.

            And I wouldn’t enthrall you with my acumen even if I knew you’d had your shots and had a paper bag over your head. : )

          • two_amber_lamps

            The times I’ve seen it employed (on myself and others) was pretty much the same result…   the fight quickly goes out of em and they’re generally “relatively” passive after the fact, that is unless they’ve trained to fight thru or are coked up, emotionally charged, etc. Of course there are always exceptions.  I don’t see what your basis for doubting the stuff they were using was less than the usual issued “cop strength” stuff??

      • two_amber_lamps

        Well Rob,

        The video actually completely exonerated the individual officers so far as I can tell.  Perfect execution of the “use of force continuum”.  The police officer verbally relayed to the protesters that they were being given a final chance to leave the scene peaceably or they were going to get hosed with pepper spray. Plenty of time was given to let that fact sink in.  Another officer went over and grabbed one of the protesters to try to move them, obviously they were resolved to the course of action.  MORE time was granted to allow them to rethink the error of their ways…  FINALLY, with complete justification the police officers raised the level of force allowable to match that of an aggressively resistant (albeit not as yet combative) individual and they used intermediate tactics to take them into custody. 

        If ANYONE here has a problem with what happened, the issue resides with the policy… NOT WITH THE PD because from what I saw, their actions coincided with most law enforcement agency defense and arrest tactics policies.  Given that fact… take away those policies then what you reduce the police to doing is what happened in the 60’s…  fist fights, oak batons, and worse.

        How many of the idiots claiming “chemical warfare” here have ever been sprayed with OC or CS’ed?  If not, shut your mouth because you have no idea what you’re babbling about.  These measures were introduced precisely to avoid emergency room visits for malcontent hooligans.  Life sucks for an hour or two but the effects are temporary…  all the melodramatic shrieking and moaning you heard were from the ORGANIZERS filming the event….

    • di_da_is_alpha

      They were kids?  All under the age of 18?  I mean, if they’re 18 and up, they can hardly be called “kids,” now can they?   You’re not suggesting we raise the voting age back up to 21, are you?  If you are, I’m in.

      • Demosthenes

        I think this is more in reference to the common use of the moniker “College Kids” which I have heard before the UC Davis incident and I am sure you have as well.

        I do not believe they used the term kids and implied under the age of 18. Which is actually only the U.S. governments view to when a child becomes an adult. Other religions have different ranges to which a boy becomes a man and a girl a women.

        • di_da_is_alpha

          I was being facetious.  My point is, if they’re old enough to be in college, old enough to join the armed forces, and old enough to vote, they’re old enough to take personal responsibility for their actions.  They were told what would happen if they didn’t quit blocking the walkway.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Yes, College Kids or College Students….

          Meanwhile we send 18 year olds off to die in defense of the country, these spoiled brats are left behind to mewl and grovel for socialist ideology and free college tuition… 

          Perhaps a bit of hard love and a health dose of oleoresin capsicum might help the “kids” grow up.  Chrissakes, they could use a little maturity.  Maybe they might actually be willing to take responsibility for their actions then.

    • JayTeaNH

      Dumbass, as Rob noted, it was pepper spray. Organic, biodegradable pepper spray. You make it sound like they broke out the Zyklon B.

      J.

  • C. Y.

    Nothing like parasites showing their lack of respect for anything other than themselves by sitting on the ground waiting to be fed their bottle.  They chose to stay and chose to get sprayed.

  • http://twitter.com/NaCaWo NaCaWo

    The seriousness of civil disobedience relies on being willing to break the law and suffer the consequences. Bet these people won’t even acknowledge they’re breaking the law, and they’re whining about the consequences.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Well, it’s also called civil disobedience.

      Throwing rocks at cops is not exactly reminiscent of Thoreau.

      • two_amber_lamps

        Rock throwing is in fact a deadly force action.

  • GeorgeWBush

    this cop should run for the GOP nomination

  • Guest

     I’ll just leave this here:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pregnant-woman-miscarries-after-being-sprayed-with

    “I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started
    moving in,” she says. “I was screaming, ‘I am pregnant, I am
    pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'”
    Jennifer went to the doctor and found out her baby had no heartbeat.
    “They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to
    it [the fetus], too.”

  • Rupert Murdoch

    its a food based product according Megan Kelly

  • Neiman

    It all depends upon what the definition of “is”- “is.”

    What is wrong? Did they commit a crime by spraying these people? Nope! So legally it wasn’t wrong! So, no one should lose pay or their jobs, at wrse some training how to better react next time.

    What is wrong? Using pepper spray? No! It is commonly used, non-lethal, non-toxic and specifically designed for crowd control to minimize physical violence.

    What is wrong? Was it a lack of good common sense by the authorities (Chancellor, Chief, Police)? Probably, it was unnecessary, they could have let them sit there until they got hemorrhoids or got too cold and wet with the storms coming in and quit.

    What is wrong? Was it illegal to block the sidewalk and deny others access? Yep! But, what good did it do to make heroes of these immature anarchists for such a minor crime and make the police look like thugs, even through they were not thugs?

    So wrong is subjective, it all depends on how you look at it, what side you are on. This is all “much ado about absolutely nothing.”

    • Demosthenes

      Neiman, a question for you.

      “I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started
      moving in,” she says. “I was screaming, ‘I am pregnant, I am
      pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'”
      Jennifer went to the doctor and found out her baby had no heartbeat.
      “They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to
      it [the fetus], too.”

      If quoted event did happen. Would the police officer in fact be responsible and able to be accused of murder? Maybe even found guilty?

      I know a fetus is a touchy subject for you so I would like to get your input. this is also all rumor but still a little interesting thought exercise.

      • Neiman

        Was that the police officers intent? Hard to establish that fact, but I doubt they intended to hurt her or her baby. Did they hear the woman’s cries and disregard them? Was she an abusive parent to be there in a potentially violent situation in the first place? Could she, should she charged for manslaughter?

        Like in war, no matter how unfortunate and painful, collateral, unintended casualties are the price for defending the rule of law, often at the expense of innocent children.

        From the beginning, I have said I see no criminality by the officers, only bad judgment, a lack of common sense. Could that lack of common sense be used to prosecute them for reckless endangerment or something along that line? I doubt it!

        I think everyone involved should be charged with being “stuck on stupid” and have to publicly confess they were acting irresponsibly; but the loss of this human life, I think, was unintended by anyone and so I leave it to their conscience.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Just like the Mom at one of the OWS demonstrations who blockaded the entrance to a conservative rally and brought her kids in a stroller…. 

          She is 100% responsible for the position she put herself and her children in.  But the R word is one oft payed lip service to by leftist ideologues, but rarely understood.

  • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

    Given that there was a reason to need to arrest them at that point what’s is the best way to break up their human chain to minimize injury to the criminals and to the police?  The pepper spray didn’t seem to break it up entirely, but on the other hand the cops did break the chain only after the spray was used.  

    • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

      Yeah I don’t know what the cops are supposed to do, I suppose they could use water cannons.

      • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

        Ooooo, water cannons.

        • headward

          Think about the waste of water and the environmental studies that need to be done before that action could happen.

          I just hope Dawn sponsers the water cannons.  “Cleaning up OWS because they are cover in shit”

      • I H8 GOPers

        Hey, Bull Connor Jr. Water cannons and attack dogs, that’s what your boys used during the Civil Rights Movement. How far did that get ya!

        • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

          That was the Democrats that did that while the Republicans were busy fighting for civil rights.  Al Gore’s father and Bill Cinton’s mentor were two of the biggest supporters of segregation out there. 

          I love how you lib-tards blame your racism on the other people. 

          • two_amber_lamps

            The selective memory of leftists is so CONVENIENT!

      • two_amber_lamps

        Matter of fact the PD used restraint… there’s a pepper ball launcher in the PD arsenal at the demonstration.  Combines point OC delivery AND some nasty welts.  It was never employed…  the leftists should have counted themselves lucky.

  • awfulorv

    With a  little more effort they could make that pepper spray smell like cat urine, though this crowd may be so used to that odor permeating their abodes as to negate it’s effectiveness.  A rainbow colored spray would add a certain pizzazz to the whole process though.

  • Spartacus

    Rob says: “Clearly, this doesn’t exonerate the cops. But it does show that the
    protesters were warned that they’d be sprayed if they didn’t clear the
    path and that they refused to follow orders and block the path anyway.”

    Perhaps. But your initial reaction clearly indicates you have a tendency  to be a reactionary imbecile, much like a vagrant camped out in a park beating a drum. The smarter of us wanted to see the parts that weren’t published that led up to this. But no, you rushed headlong into “bad cops”, now you’re left trying to rationalize your conclusion. Good luck with that!

  • howiseeit

    Seriously, most normal human beings know the difference between right & wrong at about 2 years of age.  These protesters know they were outside the law (wrong) and they were warned repeatedly to comply or suffer the consequences.  Frankly I’d be in favor of scooping them up with a payloader and putting them in a dump somewhere.  Unless of course they want to pay the cost of the police and other costs associated with their actions.  Now if you care to disagree with a post I would appreciate it if you would also comment on whether or not you’d agree to shoulder the costs of their actions.

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      If the cops did it to administer punishment it’s not right.  But from this video I get the idea that they thought it was the best way to break up the human chain.  They certainly weren’t trying to hide the fact that they used it.

      Now is that the best way to break up this thing?  I don’t know.  

      • howiseeit

        I agree and I’m not sure either.  But when questions like this come up lets support those who are on the side of law and order.

  • 11B40

    Greetings:

    I’m still not surprised that, in spite of their college educations and J-school indoctrinations, the members of today’s media are unable to distinguish a peaceful, or even mostly peaceful political demonstration from a passive-aggressive civic disruption.

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    Whatever happened to the leftover CS used in ‘Nam?

    • ellinas1

      Chicken Shit (CS gas) is rarely used. Cry Now (CN gas) is the gas preferred gas, due to it’s milder effects.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Plain old chickenshit would be fine with me.

        • ellinas1

          It is the most effective.
          It is also panic inducing. With civilian use, you would have to leave an avenue of escape for those affected, and you would need gas masks for all law enforcement personnel present.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            An elegant, super-effective, and organic approach: Toke up the cops on whiskey with raw eggs, add a select pre-colonoscopy laxative, have them line up, backs to the resisters, moon them, and let fly.  God help me, I would love it so!
            Another less elegant, but horribly effective, method would be to spray an emulsion of adipocere.  Mind-scarring horrible beyond belief & almost impossible to get rid of the stench.

          • ellinas1

            Adipocere? I never heard of that before. I will look it up, and comment on it then.

        • two_amber_lamps

          OC is better for concentrated effects and easier to control the dispersal…  also the orange foam sticks to the face… makes it better for marking individuals who try to run away…. not that they typically get too far… lol!

  • borborygmi

     A few drops of skunk scent is all that was needed. Clear the whole place out.  

    • howiseeit

      Does skunk scent repell skunks?

  • two_amber_lamps

    Fox urine and/or Doe scent also smells pretty bad…  would probably render lefties horny as a result unfortunately.

  • LastBestHope

    Lysol was required, not pepper spray.

  • sanity

    UPDATE:

    UC Davis Student Admits Protesters Surrounded Cops and Wouldn’t Let Them Leave

    AMY GOODMAN, DEMOCRACY NOW!: To talk more about what happened at UC Davis, we go to Sacramento, California, to talk to Elli Pearson, one of the students pepper-sprayed Friday. She’s a sophomore at UC Davis studying sustainable agriculture and food systems.
    …..

    ELLI PEARSON: Well, we were protesting together, and the riot cops came at us, and we linked arms and sat down peacefully to protest their presence on our campus. And at one point, they were—we had encircled them, and they were trying to leave, and they were trying to clear a path. And so, we sat down, linked arms, and said that if they wanted to clear the path, they would have to go through us. But we were on the ground, you know, heads down. And all I could see was people telling me to cover my head, protect myself, and put my head down. And the next thing I know, I was pepper-sprayed.
    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/24/uc-davis-student-admits-protesters-surrounded-cops-and-wouldnt-let-th#ixzz1eg1zWd3g

    As Noel Sheppard writes: “This presents quite a different picture from what most media outlets have been depicting concerning this matter.”

    As it seems, more information has come to light, from a protester who got pepper sprayed that was there – The protesters surrounded the police as the police tried to leave, preventing them from leaving which lead to the pepper spray – and the protesters EXPECTED to be pepper sprayed – “But we were on the ground, you know, heads down. And all I could see was people telling me to cover my head, protect myself, and put my head down. And the next thing I know, I was pepper-sprayed.”

  • JustRuss

    Cop: “If you don’t move you are going to get sprayed.”

    Protester: “Thats fine”
    The cops really didn’t want to do this.  And most of the MLK or Ghandi style protests went more like this.Cop: “If you don’t move we have to arrest you.”
    Protester: “Okay, you’ll have to arrest us”Cop: “Okay you’re under arrest.”
    Protestors get up and line up peacefully to be handcuffed and walk themselves into the Pattywagon.These protesters were not trying to get arrested, they were actively trying to get pepper sprayed and were accommodated.  Were any arrests even made? Or once they broke up did the cops allow them to go away?

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