Vice-President’s Daughter To Have A Baby

You know, just five years or so ago the idea of the Vice President’s lesbian daughter having a child with her lover (and some anonymous sperm donor) would have been a major scandal. Today? Not so much it seems.

Mary Cheney, the vice president’s openly gay daughter, is pregnant. She and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe, are “ecstatic” about the baby, due in late spring, said a source close to the couple.
Cheney, 37, was a key aide to her father during the 2004 reelection campaign and now is vice president for consumer advocacy at AOL. Poe, 45, a former park ranger, is renovating their Great Falls home.
News of the pregnancy will undoubtedly reignite the debate about gay marriage. During the campaign, Mary Cheney was criticized by gay activists for not being more publicly supportive of same-sex marriage. Her father said people “ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to” but deferred to the president’s policy supporting a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages. Cheney herself called the proposed amendment “a gross affront to gays and lesbians everywhere” in her book, “Now It’s My Turn: A Daughter’s Chronicle of Political Life,” which was published in May.
Cheney has described her relationship with Poe — whom she took to last year’s White House dinner honoring Prince Charles and Camilla — as a marriage. The two met in 1988 while playing ice hockey and began dating four years later. They moved from Colorado to Virginia a year ago to be closer to Cheney’s family. In an interview with the Post six months ago, when asked if she and Poe wanted children, Cheney said that was a “conversation I think I should have with Heather first.”

This is an interesting story.
Obviously, the idea of the daughter of a conservative icon (and current second-in-command of this nation) being a lesbian and planning to raise her daughter with her lover has to be aggravating to many in the GOP base who find homosexuality and homosexual marriage reprehensible. And yet Mary Cheney’s lifestyle doesn’t seem to be raising many eyebrows on the right. Could it be that right-wing homophobia has been wildly exaggerated by the left?
That could be. I know many on the right (though not myself) find homosexuality to be morally objectionable, but I know few of them who actually hate gays. I wonder if the less-than-outraged reaction to Mary Cheney on the right is an example the GOP’s “big tent.”
Or maybe it just illustrates a declining interest among conservatives in opposing certain gay issues.

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  • http://www.MySpace.com/rubylightening Margie

    This individual’s private life is no ones business, true, but was Rob not using it to make a point about the GOP’s new found tolerance?
    Virginia’s Affirmation of Marriage will eventually go the way of Massive Resistance. In the meantime, it is a blot on Virginia’s name, the recent addition to the state Constitution even more so. It will make it more difficult to erase this unwarranted discrimination down the road, but I have no doubt that it will eventuallly happen.

  • ellinas

    Where is Pat Robertson and his sidekick Jerry Fallwell when you need them?
    Why is the leadership of Moral Majority silent?

  • Bat One

    Dave,

    In another ten years or so, then I might be interested in what you know and where you learned. At the moment, however, your lack of seasoning is still very much a hindrance. Hang in there!

  • Steve L.

    I wonder if the less-than-outraged reaction to Mary Cheney on the right is an example the GOP’s “big tent.”

    Either that or we are all afraid of what Dick Cheney might do if we are mean to his daughter. I mean he shot a lawyer and that guy was his friend.

  • 2Hotel9

    Lies are your stock in trade, and you have no shame.

  • robert108

    It certainly gives the lie to the stereotype of conservatives being “homophobic” and bigoted, but I doubt the MSM will portray it that way.
    Their relationship may be wonderful and loving, but it lacks all the essential elements of marriage. Furthermore, I hate to think of a child growing up without a father, in the very real sense. Mary and Heather may enjoy their chosen form of motherhood, but at what price to the child who didn’t get to choose?

  • Dave_Comet

    You, and of course the media, are making her private life a public concern merely to score partisan points.

    You wanna know where I first learned about this?

    Rob Port. Is he scoring partisan points too?

  • robert108

    You can bet that if Chelsey Clinton were a dyke and pregnant, this would be top news on Fox for months.

    How do you know she isn’t? The MSM has always shielded Chelsea, while demonizing the children of Republican politicians. Typical leftie double standard.

  • Wither

    Okay so it is everyones business because she made her life everyones business by writing a book about it.

    As for the gay marriage thing I don’t believe a persons sexual orientation is something that should deprive them of anything under the law. I do think however that the freedom of religion in this issue needs to be protected. That is why there needs to be a liscense to wed (two humans) and a liscense to marry (man and women). that way if a religous person doesn’t believe in same sex marriage under their morals they cannot lose thier status under that state for refusing to marry a gay couple. We need to protect the rights of people on both sides of the issues. I do have a moral objection to homosexuality but I have gay friends whom I care for greatly. I see the need for a solution that protects everyone.

  • LoadTheMule

    You wanna know where I first learned about this? Rob Port. Is he scoring partisan points too?

    Dave,

    The fact that you are abysmally uninformed isn’t Rob’s fault. I know it’s difficult for you, but do try to keep up.

    Regards…

  • Mickey

    If she were a liberal attempting to make a political statement she would then get an abortion.

  • Bat One

    I’d really like to know why Mary Cheney’s private life is anybody else’s f**king business.

  • Bat One

    WOOF,

    Not only does your comment not make any sense, but neither Virgina nor it’s Affirmation of Marriage Act are in any way pertinent to the question of why Mary Cheney’s pregnancy is is any of your business, or anyone else’s.

    You, and of course the media, are making her private life a public concern merely to score partisan points.

    I repeat. It’s nobody else’s f**king business.

  • robert108

    Chad: Here’s the rebuttal to your hate-filled comment:

    1) They can’t stop it, just like they couldn’t stop previous civil rights movements.

    Error: Marriage is not a “right”; it’s an institution that is probably as old as the human race. It predates all present-day civilizations and organized religions. What gays do is not marriage, by definition. It doesn’t meet the basic requirement of marriage, which is that it is a heterosexual union that legitimizes children, blends families and ensures the continuance of the family bloodline.

    2) Most of the gay-haters on the right are probably in the closet themselves, as many recent scandals have shown.

    A typical gay fantasy; in spite of the fact that gays are somewhere around 5% of the population(otherwise the human race wouldn’t reproduce itself effectively), many gays fantasize that everyone else is really gay, but somehow don’t know it.

    Not to mention the fact that Repugs been beaten pretty badly lately, and this would just be one more thing to drive them appart.

    We barely lost the last election, in contrast to the majority of 6th year congressional elections, but exaggerate it if you wish; it’s all you have. Instead, the reality is that you lefties used an attack on a gay man for political purposes(Foley) in an attempt to influence the elections. Shame on you!
    Talk about “homophobia”.

  • Puzzlefeet

    You exaggerate just a bit, R108 “every act” of the Bush twins is not plastered all over the news. Get real. The Bush family as well has told the press to lay off the twins. Let’s see, one Bush twin’s purse is stolen, they are seen drinking in a bar. Chelsea is spied on a boat in her swimsuit, or at a runway show.

    How much time did the press spend on Chelsea during the Monica scandal? Hm…. you have a short memory. The Bush twins have been in the press about as much as Chelsea Clinton was. Both sets of parents did their best to shield their kids from the press and the press for the most part heeded the calls for privacy.

    You just can’t help your partisan hack ways,R108.

  • 2Hotel9

    Chelsea Clinton? You mean the child fathered by Webster Hubble? That Chelsea? The Chelsea who has distanced herself from her mother? Is that the Chelsea you are refering to?

  • http://angrychad.blogspot.com/ Chad

    ROFL @ this comment:

    It certainly gives the lie to the stereotype of conservatives being “homophobic” and bigoted, but I doubt the MSM will portray it that way.

    which is then followed by this homophobic comment:

    Their relationship may be wonderful and loving, but it lacks all the essential elements of marriage. Furthermore, I hate to think of a child growing up without a father, in the very real sense. Mary and Heather may enjoy their chosen form of motherhood, but at what price to the child who didn’t get to choose?

    LOL! Oh man, you just can’t make this shit up.

    Anyway, the way I see it, the Repuglicans probably figured it’s about time they gave up the useless fight against gay rights for two reasons:

    1) They can’t stop it, just like they couldn’t stop previous civil rights movements.

    2) Most of the gay-haters on the right are probably in the closet themselves, as many recent scandals have shown.

    Not to mention the fact that Repugs been beaten pretty badly lately, and this would just be one more thing to drive them appart.

  • Joe in Minneapolis

    So if Mary Cheney and her partner lived in Florida (where President Bush’ bro Jeb has been running things for years), then the baby could not — under Florida law — be adopted by Mary’s partner. The babino would be seen as an out-of-wedlock birth and be, for all intents and purposes, a bastard.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that. Mary’s dad, Dick, has been a bastard for years.

    How Mary can continue to call here life private and ask that no one point out the contradictions in her “private” life and her public life, is beyond me. She publicly supports all the worst qualities of modern day homophobes, yet quietly enjoys all the priveledges fought for by modern day progressives.

    You can bet that if Chelsey Clinton were a dyke and pregnant, this would be top news on Fox for months.

  • Puzzlefeet

    Is that you guttermouth, lying as usual. Shame on you.

  • Mickey

    If she had planned ahead she could of had this turkey baster baby just in time for the holidays.

    Oh well.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    As one of a few resident fundamental Christians here, I’d better chime in, eh? Or maybe not, but I will anyways.

    Personally, I see this in about the same way that I see most Hollywood types as parents, especially Madonna and Mrs. Kevin Federline. Although many people today, including apparently most journalists, assume that material provision is the most important determiner of a child’s well-being, the reality is that an intact family that cares for the child–including both a father and a mother–is far more important.

    And yes, I consider the loose lifestyle of Mrs. Federline to be just as great a hazard to her children as the same is to Ms. Cheney’s child–to be honest, Cheney will probably turn out to be a better mom. That doesn’t change the natural order of things, though, and a child’s right to have both a mom and a dad.

  • ellinas

    Lies are your stock in trade, and you have no shame.
    2Hotel9 on December 7, 2006 at 06:37 pm

    Man o’ man you got some nerve.
    Shame on you!!!!

    Once again:

    Where is Pat Robertson and his sidekick Jerry Fallwell when you need them?
    Why is the leadership of Moral Majority silent?

  • robert108

    Margie:

    …it is a blot on Virginia’s name, the recent addition to the state Constitution even more so…

    Don’t you believe in the will of the people as expressed by popular vote?
    You must be a totalitarian, then. You wish the will of a small minority to be forced on the large majority, then?

  • Puzzlefeet

    Hey R108, that’s like being “barely pregnant”. Chelsea shielded? I seem to remember the not so nice comments of Rush Limbaugh et al?

    I wish Mary Cheney and her life partner the best of luck and a very happy life with their baby. She will be welcomed by her entire family and will probably be spoiled by her granparents and rightly so.

  • robert108

    P:

    Hey R108, that’s like being “barely pregnant”. Chelsea shielded? I seem to remember the not so nice comments of Rush Limbaugh et al?

    I guess you don’t remember Clinton telling the MSM to lay off Chelsea, and them obliging; on the other hand, every act of the Bush twins is splashed all over the TV and newspapers, not just spoken of by one talk radio host. Rush was not Clinton’s thrall, like the MSM was.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Good for her.
    I wish them a healthy and happy baby.

  • ellinas

    Robert108 was saying that Pat and Jerry were not blaming America and were only blaming homosexuals, fornicators etc etc?

    ellinas, you lie. I never said any such thing.
    robert108 on December 8, 2006 at 03:13 pm

    If you add all those groups together, since there is some overlap between them, you are talking about maybe 25% of the American public. How is that “blaming America”? Your statement about what he said is hyperbole.
    ..bear some burden…
    … you helped this happen…
    Sounds like he’s asking them to take responsibility for their actions.
    I don’t realize it because it’s not true; your accusation, that is.
    robert108 on September 25, 2006 at 11:03 pm

    I now know about you Robert108.
    It took a while to see you for who you realy are.
    A common lier.

  • ellinas

    Chelsea Clinton? You mean the child fathered by Webster Hubble? That Chelsea? The Chelsea who has distanced herself from her mother? Is that the Chelsea you are refering to?
    2Hotel9 on December 7, 2006 at 04:27 pm

    Bet you 3 dozen fresh chicken eggs you have no proof about this. You are making things up again.

    ellinas on December 8, 2006 at 08:36 am

  • ellinas

    Chelsea Clinton? You mean the child fathered by Webster Hubble? That Chelsea? The Chelsea who has distanced herself from her mother? Is that the Chelsea you are refering to?
    2Hotel9 on December 7, 2006 at 04:27 pm

    Bet you 2 dozen fresh chicken eggs you have no proof about this. You are lying again.

  • ellinas

    Chelsea Clinton? You mean the child fathered by Webster Hubble? That Chelsea? The Chelsea who has distanced herself from her mother? Is that the Chelsea you are refering to?
    2Hotel9 on December 7, 2006 at 04:27 pm


    Bet you a dozen fresh chicken eggs you have no proof about this. You are fabricating things again.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Chad displays his hypocrisy, LOL! Oh man, you just can’t make this shit up.

    Anyway, the way I see it, the Repuglicans probably figured it’s about time they gave up the useless fight against gay rights for two reasons:

    1) They can’t stop it, just like they couldn’t stop previous civil rights movements.

    What are you talking about? You just made shit up right there.

  • 2Hotel9

    Because that is what they said. You believe homosexuals and fornicators ARE America. You keep screeching exactly that. You Moral Moajority morons are too stupid to keep your bullshit and lies straight.

  • robert108
    “I think it’s tragic that a child has been conceived with the
    express purpose of denying it a father,” Robert Knight, [director of the Culture and Media Institute of the Media Research Center] said. “Fatherhood
    is important and always will be, so if Mary and her partner indicate that that is a trivial matter, they’re shortchanging this child from the start.”

    “Mary and Heather can believe what they want,” Knight added, “but what they’re seeking is to force others to bless their non-marital relationship as marriage” and to “create a culture that is based on sexual anarchy instead of marriage and family values.”

    Sounds like highly accurate and clear thinking to me. Is that why you have trouble with it, Dave?
    BTW, this is not “backlash”; it is the simple truth.

  • ellinas

    Where is Pat Robertson and his sidekick Jerry Fallwell when you need them?
    Why is the leadership of Moral Majority silent?

    Where o’ where is Pat and Jerry?
    Where o’ where Pat and Jerry can be?
    Last time I ‘ve Pat and Jerry
    they were blaming Americans for 9/11.

  • ellinas

    Robert108 was saying that Pat and Jerry were not blaming America and were only blaming homosexuals, fornicators etc etc?

    ellinas, you lie. I never said any such thing.

    robert108 on December 8, 2006 at 03:13 pm This is an accusation. There are no parallels drawn here. You are running parallel with the truth on this one. You are playing fast and loose with the truth and not withstanding your denial you are an apologist for Falwel in this case. Maybe you don’t realize it.
    ellinas on September 25, 2006 at 09:51 pm

    ellinas: If you add all those groups together, since there is some overlap between them, you are talking about maybe 25% of the American public. How is that “blaming America”? Your statement about what he said is hyperbole. ..bear some burden…
    … you helped this happen…Sounds like he’s asking them to take responsibility for their actions. I don’t realize it because it’s not true; your accusation, that is.
    robert108 on September 25, 2006 at 10:03 pm

    I can’t believe I’m going to agree with ellinas, but right is right.
    He blamed “Americans” Robert not “America.”

    It doesn’t matter what “percentage” of the population he was talking about Robert; that’s ridiculous. Why do you always split hairs down to the level of Quarks?
    He said that Americans (abortionists, gays, etc.) made God mad (God won’t be mocked) and that was a big part of the reason that God let the attack happen. Implying directly that God was teaching us- “All Americans” a lesson.
    I agree with you most of the time, but I do expect you to adhere to the precepts of intellectual honesty. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander .

    Bezu Fache on September 26, 2006 at 08:40 am

  • Pilgrim

    Could it be that right-wing homophobia has been wildly exaggerated by the left?

    Rob, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head right there. As long as the left can demonize the right with terms like “homophobe” and “racist” they will. It keeps them from having to engage in meaningful dialogue.

  • robert108

    ellinas: Again, you lie; you are a liar. I never said what you said I said; nothing about “…were only blaming homosexuals, fornicators…”, so you lied about that. I don’t even understand the point you are trying to make here; I just didn’t say what you attributed to me, and busted you for that lie.
    I guess you are on an anti-Falwell rant, like most antiChristian bigots do. I don’t particularly like Falwell and his crew, but I’m not phobic about it.
    In future, say what you want to say straight out, and don’t try to use misquotes from me to advance your agenda. It’s dishonest to do that, and I will bust you every time you try it.

  • Dave_Comet

    I posted an example of conservatives speaking out against this development. There are many others. Plus, I haven’t heard of any substantial support amoung significant conservatives for Mary and her partner. There are a lot of Christians who frown upon relationships of this sort.

  • robert108

    Robert108 was saying that Pat and Jerry were not blaming America and were only blaming homosexuals, fornicators etc etc?

    ellinas, you lie. I never said any such thing.

  • ellinas

    I just didn’t say what you attributed to me, and busted you for that lie.
    robert108 on December 8, 2006 at 11:03 pm
    Oh now you are going to pretend you can’t read.
    ellinas: Again, you lie; you are a liar. I never said what you said I said; nothing about “…were only blaming homosexuals, fornicators…”, so you lied about that.
    Robert108 the discussion on Monday, September 25, 2006 was:
    Falwell Calls Hillary Clinton The Devil
    and there you made those statements.
    Go back and read your statements and you will see who is telling the truth.
    My point is you will defend Pat and Jerry when it is convenient for your cause and will ignore lies and hypocrisy when it is convenient for your cause.

  • 2Hotel9

    And now, back to topic. I feel bad for Ms Cheney’s child. Not because it is going to be raised by a lesbian couple, I am certain they are perfectly capable of raising the child in a stable, loving home.

    I feel bad for this child because it’s entire existance will be tied up in this issue. It will never be able to have a normal life. At every turn it will have this shit slung in it’s face. Those on the right will basically ignore the issue. Those on the left will never shut up about it, they will constantly make this child a CAUSE to rally against or around.

    I feel very bad for this child, I foresee a life of misery and isolation ahead of it. All because people like ellinas will never leave it alone to live it’s life in peace.

  • Dave_Comet

    Let the conservative backlash begin!

    “I think it’s tragic that a child has been conceived with the express purpose of denying it a father,” Robert Knight, [director of the Culture and Media Institute of the Media Research Center] said. “Fatherhood is important and always will be, so if Mary and her partner indicate that that is a trivial matter, they’re shortchanging this child from the start.”

    “Mary and Heather can believe what they want,” Knight added, “but what they’re seeking is to force others to bless their non-marital relationship as marriage” and to “create a culture that is based on sexual anarchy instead of marriage and family values.”

  • ellinas

    My point is the hypocrisy.
    And I made my point judging from the amount of froth coming out of 2hotel9′s mouth, and robert108′s histrionics, denials his artfull avoidance of the facts, and subject shifting.

  • robert108

    Two: Very good points about Falwell, et. al. I don’t personally believe that America was attacked because of homosexuals and fornicators; karma doesn’t work that way. America was attacked because that is the normal reaction of failures to success; they want to tear it down. We are successful, they are not. It’s like the child’s game of King of the Mountain. Instead, the have-nots of the world could free their people and set up a “free people making free choices” economic system, which would then fund their cultural and religious institutions, but they don’t. Their choice, their consequences. They want to destroy us because we hold a mirror up to their shortcomings. They want to break the mirror because they don’t like what they see in it.

  • robert108

    I posted an example of conservatives speaking out against this development. There are many others. Plus, I haven’t heard of any substantial support amoung significant conservatives for Mary and her partner. There are a lot of Christians who frown upon relationships of this sort.

    Freedom of religion and freedom to express one’s opinions; isn’t that what America is all about?
    I guess Christians have less freedom than other Americans in your world, eh Dave?

  • ellinas

    2Hotel9 on December 9, 2006 at 07:36 pm said:
    “You are sad and pathetic. You will gleefully destroy that child’s live because it’s mother holds a different political veiw than you do. What a fucking cunt. I feel sorry for your children.”

    Wow mon ami! I am sorry to have brought such rage and sadness to you. I knew you are an emotional person and I still went ahead and made you feel rage.
    Please mon ami don’t cry for my children for they are well. Right now please take your nitroglycerin before your heart explodes.
    Love, hugs and kisses from
    your beloved “fucking cunt”.

  • 2Hotel9

    Yes, I do. Lying scumbags like you, and puzzledfuck.

  • 2Hotel9

    r, ellinas loves Jerry Falwell, and she would crawl on her knees over broken glass too lick Pat Robertson’s ass. This pretending to disagree with her leaders is quite transparent. And comical.

    And yes, Falwell and Robertson said America was attacked because of homosexuals and fornicators. And yes, those are two of the issues cited by fundamentalist Muslims as reasons for hating America and western culture. And yes, being America, they, Robertson&Falwell, have the right to point that out. As they have the right to practice their religion.

    What is the difference between Moral Majority members and Islam. MMs are not strapping bombs to their children and sending them into crowded stores and theaters and resturants and schools to kill innocent bystanders. Practitioners of Islam are doing those things, and more.

  • ellinas

    “They have a lying fucking cunt for a mother”
    2Hotel9 on December 9, 2006 at 11:09 pm

    Seems to me you have problems at home 2hotel9.

  • Puzzlefeet

    That’s why I call him “guttermouth”.

  • 2Hotel9

    Do you know which sex IT is? Story does not specify.

    And e, I do feel bad for your children. They have a lying fucking cunt for a mother. Everyone should feel bad for the nightmare that is their life.

  • Puzzlefeet

    Guttermouth could care less about this child. He refers to the child at least 9 times as “IT”. I feel sorry for guttermouth’s children especially if he has a daughter since he freely uses the “c” word to denigrate women and especially for his wife.

  • ellinas

    2Hotel9 on December 9, 2006 at 07:13 pm said:”You, ellinas, are exactly the kind of scumbag that will make that child’s life a cycle in hell. You just can not shut up and allow that child to have a normal life.”
    I say: He! he! he! he! Hah! hah! hah! hah! Hooh! hooh! hooh! Damn your hypocrisy has no bounds.
    Nice joke though.
    Now how about some fresh eggs this summer?

  • 2Hotel9

    ellinas should know about hypocrisy, she spews it from every post in every thread she comments in.

    You, ellinas, are exactly the kind of scumbag that will make that child’s life a cycle in hell. You just can not shut up and allow that child to have a normal life.

    You are the problem. You are America’s enemy.

  • robert108

    ellinas: Again you lie. I don’t “defend Pat and Jerry”; unlike you, though, I realize that they might be right sometimes. You, on the other hand, are so bigoted that you think they are always wrong, because they are Christians. I don’t agree that Hillary is the devil; I do regard her as an evil demon, though. I believe I said that already.
    What is the relevance of anything you are writing today? Is it all about an emotion-based attack on me? Get a life!

  • 2Hotel9

    You are sad and pathetic. You will gleefully destroy that child’s live because it’s mother holds a different political veiw than you do. What a fucking cunt. I feel sorry for your children.

  • 2Hotel9

    They blame America just like you do. Y’all have so much in common, intolerance, blind hate, lying incessantly. A match made in Hell.

  • robert108

    Rob: I object to the use of the term “homophobe”, which brands anyone not buying into the homosexual agenda, for any reason, as suffering from a “phobia”, i.e., mentally ill. It’s a clever bit of mind control marketing by the homosexuals, who can’t face the fact that most of us just don’t care about their small minority behavioral syndrome. We are certainly not afraid of them; most of us are simply repulsed by the idea.

  • Dave_Comet

    Who the heck is Webster Hubble?

  • ellinas

    So 2hotel9 if you this is what you think about Pat and Jerry why did you remain silent when Robert108 was saying that Pat and Jerry were not blaming America and were only blaming homosexuals, fornicators etc etc?

  • 2Hotel9

    Another lying liar lied from. Tell us how you are a hotshot street cop again. We need the comic relief.

  • WOOFX

    The State of Virginia, (where she lives),
    and its Affirmation of Marriage Act,
    is very much in Mary Cheney’s business.

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