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If the liberals are going to keep going after the Fighting Sioux, they might as well go after Whiteface Reservior in Minnesota.

Maybe they also find the North Dakota Highway Patrol logo to be offending?

What liberals are good at - creating an uproar over a phony issue and then try to get points (and votes) for looking like they have solved it.  The Dems usually have a lock on the Indian vote anyway.

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

So a few apples were bought off by the UND alumni association...this still does not change the fact that the nickname is pointless and counterproductive.  They should go back to the flickertails.

Just because a few tribal members were sell-outs does not change a thing.  The logo and the attitude at UND are still racist.

I should know...I am an American Indian alum.

The Fighting Sioux isn’t even a good sports team name.

The Sioux lost, remember? They’re a sad beaten people these days. Not something that most people would associate with a winning team.

Kade spews - The logo and the attitude at UND are still racist.

I should know...I am an American Indian alum.

Know nothing.

Everybody knows school mascots are chosen specificly for their “insult” value.  Thousands of names are rejected because they are not racist enough.  We even name our states to hurt peoples feelings. Gotta go, can’t miss the Grand Opening of the new “Fighting Sioux Resort & Casino”

Everybody knows school mascots are chosen specificly for their “insult” value.  Thousands of names are rejected because they are not racist enough.

Haha. What a funny world Greg lives in.

Likwidshoe...at least I can say I graduated from university with both a bachelors and masters degree.  What is your degree in?  An A.A. degree(Arrogant Asshole) in fucktard studies?

Just because a few tribal members were sell-outs does not change a thing.  The logo and the attitude at UND are still racist.

I should know...I am an American Indian alum.

Dontcha love it?  If you don’t agree with Kade you can’t be a real Indian.  Only a sell-out.

Wonderful.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I WAS RIGHT...SOMEONE DID SELL OUT...READ BELOW BIGGOTS!!

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Standing Rock veterans rescind ‘Fighting Sioux’ support
Thursday, August 30, 2007
Grand Forks Herald.com
Filed Under: Education

A veterans’ group on the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation withdrew support for the University of North Dakota’s “Fighting Sioux” nickname and logo after being flooded with opposition.

“There were a lot of things we didn’t know about when we made that motion,” Ed Black Cloud, the acting chairman of the veterans’ board told The Grand Forks Herald, including “the treatment of Indian students” at UND.

The group was apparently convinced to support the nickname and logo by Sam Dupris, a member of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe who has been serving as an “envoy” for the Ralph Engelstad Arena at UND. The Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe wrote UND President Charles Kupchella to say that it continues to oppose the “Fighting Sioux” and that Dupris does not represent the tribe’s official position.

More on a sell out!

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Cheyenne River Sioux tribe writes to Kupchella
By Joseph Marks, Herald Staff Writer
Published Thursday, August 30, 2007

In a letter sent Friday to UND President Charles Kupchella, leaders of the Cheyenne River (S.D.) Sioux Tribe distanced themselves from enrolled member Sam Dupris and reaffirmed the tribe’s opposition to UND’s Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

Dupris has been visiting reservation officials at Spirit Lake near Devils Lake and at Standing Rock south of Bismarck as an envoy for the Ralph Engelstad Arena since early summer. The visits are part of an arena attempt to improve its relations with Sioux officials, which were strained by UND’s continued use of its nickname and its resulting lawsuit against the NCAA.

The arena, which bears thousands of Sioux logos, has been a central focus of the nickname debate.

“The tribe is concerned about reports that UND and the Ralph Engelstad Arena may be utilizing Mr. Sam Dupris as an agent to garner support for their use of the Fighting Sioux nickname for their sports teams, despite the tribe’s formal opposition,” the letter from Cheyenne River officials states.

“Although Mr. Dupris is an enrolled member of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, he does not represent the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe in any capacity and is not authorized to comment on behalf of the Tribe,” the letter continues. “Any representations he makes are on his own behalf, and/or perhaps on the behalf of the Ralph Engelstad Arena.”

The letter ends with a request for information about the nature of Dupris’ employment with the arena.

Kupchella was out of town Wednesday and unavailable to comment on the letter.

The letter was also addressed to Bob Boyd, UND’s vice president for student and outreach services and to the “director” of the Ralph Engelstad Arena, though REA General Manager Jody Hodgson was not mentioned by name.

Boyd’s assistant said Wednesday he had not yet received the letter and did not want to comment before he knew more about the letter and its contents. Messages left at Hodgson’s office were not returned.

Cheyenne River Tribal Chairman Joseph Brings Plenty also did not return calls for comment.

UND is suing the NCAA over a 2005 policy barring schools with American Indian logos and nicknames from displaying those logos and nicknames during postseason play or hosting playoff games.

Out of 20 schools originally subject to the restrictions, UND is the only school still fighting the policy. All other schools on the list have either stopped using American Indian imagery or won an NCAA waiver, usually by gaining the endorsement of a nearby namesake tribe.

Cheyenne River’s tribal council has officially opposed UND’s Fighting Sioux nickname since 1997. Friday’s letter began with the sentence, “The Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe opposes the use of the ‘Fighting Sioux’ mascot name by the University of North Dakota” and went on to reference that 1997 resolution.

Standing Rock’s tribal council voted to oppose the nickname in 2001. A 2000 resolution from Spirit Lake’s tribal council offers conditional support for the nickname, but tribal Chairwoman Myra Pearson has said she does not read the resolution as supporting the nickname.

Hodgson has said Dupris does not want to comment on his role with the arena and Dupris has not returned messages left at his home.

Dupris, 74, was born on the Cheyenne River reservation, but has lived most of his life elsewhere, working as a pilot and aviation administrator across the U.S. and Europe. In 2001, he was the first American Indian inducted into the South Dakota Aviation Hall of Fame.

Even tribal members speak about selling out...so its not just me Rob.

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UND NICKNAME: Group rescinds support
By Joseph Marks, Herald Staff Writer
Published Thursday, August 30, 2007
Members of the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation’s Veterans’ Group board voted 3-2 Wednesday night to rescind their two-day-old support for UND’s Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

The board voted unanimously to support the nickname during a meeting Monday, but board members later were inundated with calls from Standing Rock veterans and other tribe members expressing opposition to the nickname, said Ed Black Cloud, the board’s acting chairman.

“There were a lot of things we didn’t know about when we made that motion,” Black Cloud said, later adding, “we didn’t know about the treatment of Indian students (at UND).”
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The group likely will take the matter up again after a scheduled tour of UND’s campus and meetings with UND and Ralph Engelstad Arena officials in September, Black Cloud said after Wednesday’s vote in McLaughlin, S.D.

“We still want to hear what they have to say, and we’ll decide what we decide,” Black Cloud said. “There are a lot of different things we have to talk about.”

The board’s initial vote supporting the nickname came during a visit by Sam Dupris, an enrolled member of the Cheyenne River (S.D.) Sioux Tribe and a decorated Korean War veteran who is touring North Dakota’s Sioux tribes as an envoy for REA.

During that meeting, Dupris described for board members a memorial wall honoring the state’s Sioux veterans that REA officials are considering building by one of the arena’s entrances.

Arena general manager Jody Hodgson has called Dupris’ reservation visits a “diplomatic course” to repair strained relations between the arena and tribal officials stemming from UND’s lawsuit against the NCAA. The arena, which bears thousands of Sioux logos, has been a major focus of attention in the Sioux nickname debate.

UND is suing the NCAA over a 2005 policy barring schools with American Indian logos and nicknames from displaying those logos and nicknames during postseason play or hosting playoff games.

Standing Rock’s tribal council has officially opposed UND’s nickname since 2001. Black Cloud said Monday he believed the nickname had wide support among the tribe’s veterans. After the extensive response to the board’s resolution, he said, he’s come to believe more veterans oppose the nickname than he initially thought. Standing Rock has about 8,500 members, according to the tribe’s Web site.

Terry Yellow Fat is a Standing Rock veteran and a nickname opponent. He served briefly on the veteran’s group board about six months ago, filling out the term of another member who resigned.

Yellow Fat said he wasn’t at Monday’s meeting, but he thinks the board didn’t gather enough information or consult enough people before casting their votes.

“I think they should have gone out and taken some kind of poll of how veterans feel throughout the reservation,” he said. “I feel like it’s the old ‘divide and conquer’ again. The decision should not have been made hastily, but I feel it was.”

Valerie Hill, a disabled veteran of the first Gulf War was more critical of board members.

“As veterans, our main job is to support people and take care of people, and I don’t see that happening,” she said. “Some veterans can be bought and some can’t, and I can’t be. A lot of us veterans can’t be bought, not with a monument or anything else.”

Veteran’s Group board members listened to audience members for about half an hour before casting their votes Wednesday night, said H. Grey Cutler, commander of Standing Rock’s Vietnam Veteran’s Association, who attended the meeting.

Standing Rock Tribal Board Member Jesse Taken Alive spoke at length to the group about the history of the Sioux nickname and the fight to have it retired, Cutler said. In 1999, Taken Alive was instrumental in gathering resolutions opposing the nickname from North and South Dakota Sioux tribes.

Cutler said Dupris did not attend the meeting and no audience members spoke in support of the nickname.

Hodgson has said Dupris does not want to comment on his role with the arena and Dupris has not returned calls to his home.

Even tribal members speak about selling out...so its not just me Rob.

And that makes it ok?  That many in the tribe can’t brook disagreement?

Seems about par for the course.  Anyone disagreeing with the powers on the reservation gets ridiculed or banished, right Kade?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Like there aren’t enough real problems in the world to get worked up about!
Bring in corporate sponsorship. Let them be the “Fighting Stay Puffs” and have a marshmallow for a logo. At least then, the school would make some money off it!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Kade - you may be college educated, but you’re still an idiot.

Don’t worry though, nobody can take that away from you.

I’ll now leave you to your one and only argument to those who disagree with you - “you’re a racist”.

More like college indoctrinated. Alert me to when you have an original thought, okay Kade?

Btw Kade - congrats on graduating college. You seem to be really proud of that since you bring it up so often. That being said, who gives a rat’s ass that you graduated from college? It has no bearing on any topic.

It’s kind of sad to notice that you are either calling people foul names or patting yourself on the back. What’s the matter? Didn’t take any creative writing classes in that vaunted college education of yours? You sure could use one of those classes.

What’s the matter? Didn’t take any creative writing classes in that vaunted college education of yours? You sure could use one of those classes.

Creative writing...let’s see.

It was a dark and stormy night.  As the lightning periodically lit the sky with intense strobe of brief gossamer beauty, Likwidshoe absconded to his quiet bedroom, lustily disrobed, and insouciantly began to manhandle himself with slow strokes.  His imperturbable solo session was suddenly shattered as his mother walked in and was struck agog by the sight of her quondam angel abusing his manhood.

I REALLY THINK THIS IS A GREAT PIECE OF CREATIVE WRITING...YOU MAY NEED A THESAURUS TO UNDERSTAND IT, HOWEVER, SINCE YOU HAVE A GENERAL LACK OF INCULCATION.

Phooey!  This isn’t creative writing, so much as a modestly capable vocabulary masquerading as literary competence.  There is no discernible purpose beyond a puerile intent to inflict insult, and no style or literary substance beyond a sophomoric regurgitation of sixth grade playground humor.

What you’ve offered here is simply one more reason to mourn the pathetic state of American post-secondary education.  The dumbing down continues unabated.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

What you’ve offered here is simply one more reason to mourn the pathetic state of American post-secondary education.

What would you prefer?  A nation of dipshits like Likwidshoe?

What you’ve offered here is simply one more reason to mourn the pathetic state of American post-secondary education.

This is always the argument of the right wing...anyone who is educated and opposes your opinion is a demonstration of how the education system of American universities is flawed.  The only thing flawed about that idea is that it perpetuates social and intellectual retards like Likwidshoe and Rob Port - pathetic young men with a chip on their shoulder against the world...hoping to build themselves up by tearing others down.

intellectual retards like Likwidshoe and Rob Port - pathetic young men with a chip on their shoulder against the world...hoping to build themselves up by tearing others down.

Projecting again?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

SINCE YOU HAVE A GENERAL LACK OF INCULCATION.

Congratulations kade! Your word of the day calendar has finally paid off! However, you misused the word, since it generally refers to the process and not the end product.
Your feeble attempt at sesquipedalianism is duly (and dully) noted!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

The only thing flawed about that idea is that it perpetuates social and intellectual retards like Likwidshoe and Rob Port - pathetic young men with a chip on their shoulder against the world...hoping to build themselves up by tearing others down.

Whooa!  Apparently spelling and creative writing weren’t the only subjects given insufficient attention during your undergraduate years.  We can now add logic to the list.

No doubt the pathetic irony escapes you, but accusing others of “hoping to build themselves up by tearing others down”, while simultaneously disparaging them as “social and intellectual retards” and “pathetic young men” and trumpeting your own self-purported collegiate achievements strikes most rational people as some truly weapons-grade hypocrisy… never mind the hopelessly inept diction.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”