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It’s one thing to use it, who’s stupid enough to leave proof laying around?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler: The military is not immune from recruiting a few freaking morons and this guy is their poster child. Come on, he knew it wasn’t acceptable behavior and then he took or allowed pictures? As that great philosopher Bugs Bunny would say, “What a maroon!”

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

This moron needs to be chaptered out of the military on other than honorable conditions.

Lestat: How about a medical discharge for terminal idiocy?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Whu all this reverence for the Koran which many believe is the blueprint for muslim terrorism, women enslavement and other intolerant actions?  If someone hung up a copy of Mein Kampf or Lenins papers(similar works) for target practice, no one would get excited.

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

Lestat: How about a medical discharge for terminal idiocy?

That would not be on other than honorable terms.

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. military commanders have apologized to community leaders in Iraq after a U.S. soldier used a copy of the Koran for shooting practice, fearing an outburst of anger among U.S.-allied tribesmen.

Bloody protests have sometimes broken out across the Muslim world when the Islamic faith has been insulted.

Remember,......this isn’t news unless Rob approves of it.  The fact that an enormous set back with Iraqi tribesman and political leaders could occur based on the actions of a moron, should go unmentioned.

This should be food for thought for people like Nieman, who constantly attack the Koran and the people who study it.  This is a clear sign that ignorant and stupid insults are far more dangerous than they think.

But this lesson will not be learned, nor will change anything.  Because sites like this blog encourage this type of behavior.

Hannitized:  You are right. An ignorant and provocative thing to do. The U.S. has apologized.

But, desecrating a Koran doesn’t match up to killing 3,000 on 9/11 or beheading a helpless Daniel Pearl live on video.

I have never seen anyone on SAB recommend desecrating a holy book. Have you?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Reuters even goes so far as to obtain pictures of the shot-up Koran and counts the bullet holes in it.

Because nobody would ever accuse the media of lying about facts in order to make the soldiers look bad. 

It makes perfect sense to photograph evidence and to provide it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K40rmysqD4&feature=related

The Muslim hand-wringing over the treatment of the Koran has always struck me as being a rather juvenile form of idol worship.

I have never seen anyone on SAB recommend desecrating a holy book. Have you?

Pparets,

I have seen many people encourage the mocking of Mohammad and the Koran.  Even in this post Neiman appears to be encouraging the actions or morally justifying the actions.

Whu all this reverence for the Koran which many believe is the blueprint for muslim terrorism, women enslavement and other intolerant actions?  If someone hung up a copy of Mein Kampf or Lenins papers(similar works) for target practice, no one would get excited.

Hannitized: Can’t disagree with that.

But you ignored the rest of my post.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Ken,

It is not surprising that your ignorance and cultural intolerance prevents you from seeing the full scope of this situation.

This is the reason why half of the things you say don’t amount to a hill of beans.  You are incapable of seeing anything other than through your narrowed viewpoint of the world.

That is not meant to be an insult, it is just a harsh reality of the situation.  Sorry.

Pparets,

Sorry, I wasn’t sure you wanted me to respond to this.

But, desecrating a Koran doesn’t match up to killing 3,000 on 9/11 or beheading a helpless Daniel Pearl live on video.

This is true.  But I ask that you remember the people in Iraq who are working with us are not responsible for 9/11, nor are they responsible for Daniel Pearle or any other actions of members of AQ.

Why should Iraqis, who worship the Koran accept our religious ignorance or intolerance?

Hannitized:  Much of what you say is correct. But, the actions of one idiot is not evidence of a collective intolerance on ‘our’ part. 

Nor are some distasteful comments made here on SAB an indication of our foreign policy or attitudes.

We promptly apologized, as well we should.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

You are incapable of seeing anything other than through your narrowed viewpoint of the world.

As if no one could make this very same claim about you. What, do you have a doctorate in anthropology, sociology or middle eastern affairs that makes you some kind of expert on this topic?

No?

Well your opinion counts for no more than mine then.

That is not meant to be an insult, it is just a harsh reality of the situation.  Sorry.

Oh bullshit. Of course you meant it as an insult.

I’m not grokking the responses to Rob’s post.  He made the obviously correct point that reporters do not give proper weight to the horrific actions of our enemies in Iraq, BUT Instead Dwell on incidents such as this, where a young boot shows insensitivity and bad judgment nothing more.  This has led to some strange replies.  IF this was to happen in the US. AND IF a stupid kid did this to a Bible? Would any liberal care?  Of course it would bother me. BUT I wouldn’t go on a rampage in the absence of an apology.  I thought a liberal could not care less about the desecration of a book some deem holy.

As if no one could make this very same claim about you. What, do you have a doctorate in anthropology, sociology or middle eastern affairs that makes you some kind of expert on this topic?

Well, I guess my parents just did something a little different than yours?  Or maybe I was just born with the ability to see another persons point of view?  Or, maybe I am just not as arrogant? (note, I said “as") Who knows?

Having that ability doesn’t mean I dont disagree, it just gives me the ability to find a more centered or balanced position.  Let’s take the surge for instance.  I have heard good arguments for it, and it shaped my position on the subject.

I don’t see why it is so hard to respect another persons views or understanding of life and how we approach it.  Why is it such a terribly difficult concept for some, I don’t know?

I certainly understand a lot of my opponents point of view, and I don’t have to go creating a blog to mischaracterize their viewpoint in order to tear it down.  What ever happened to respectfully disagreeing?

Oh bullshit. Of course you meant it as an insult.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant.  I seriously think that lacking the ability to understand your opponent is a fatal flaw if you plan to debate them.

Some people are sooooo full of themselves!^^^^^^^^^^

This has led to some strange replies.  IF this was to happen in the US. AND IF a stupid kid did this to a Bible? Would any liberal care? Of course it would bother me. BUT I wouldn’t go on a rampage in the absence of an apology.  I thought a liberal could not care less about the desecration of a book some deem holy.

I think a liberal would care, if the end result of shooting a bible could result in a devastating set back to stabilizing our country, had we been invaded.

But, as expected, you fail to see the full scope of the situation as did Rob and merely pointed out some completely irrelevant point about media bias.

The media didn’t report on this because someone shot a Koran.  The media reported it because the result of shooting a Koran created a dangerous situation and it was news worthy.

It’s really that simple folks.

Hannitized, just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I have a narrow world view.

Having that ability doesn’t mean I dont disagree, it just gives me the ability to find a more centered or balanced position.

LOL

Please, get over yourself.

Some people are sooooo full of themselves!^^^^^^^^^^

That may very well be true Zsa Zsa, but that fact certainly doesn’t change the reality that your inability to understand the Iraqis regard for the Koran, prevented you from seeing the larger picture.

You can only lead a horse to water.

Hannitized, just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I have a narrow world view.

Your badly mistaken.

It’s not that you “disagreed with me”, it’s the fact that you lacked the ability to understand those who are not like you.  In fact, not only did your inability to understand them prevent you from seeing the larger picture, it also caused you to insult them.

Those are two very key missteps you have taken that happen to have nothing to do with me.

It isn’t about me, as much you think it is.  I just happen to be the messenger.

Hannitized, I got the full scope and the big picture. Quit trying to make your self into the know it all that you are NOT!

Additionally Ken, I didn’t criticize you so that I could talk about myself.  You asked, then punished me for answering.

Did you hit your head today or something?

Does anyone else see the hypocrisy of the left on this issue?  How often are we treated to the left’s disdain for the bible and the impuning of those who respect it?  The left is so careful to offend Christians and ridicule the bible, but they glory in their “tolerance” and “respect” for all other religions even if the disciples of those other religions are trying to kill us.

It’s not that you “disagreed with me”, it’s the fact that you lacked the ability to understand those who are not like you.  In fact, not only did your inability to understand them prevent you from seeing the larger picture, it also caused you to insult them.

How presumptuous of you. Who are you to make a complete assessement of me like that based on one comment on a blog? You don’t know me personally, and you don’t know anything about my ability to understand those who are not like me. You, in fact, are making a very rash and unfounded opinion about me, merely based upon one statement that I made.

I realize I insulted many Muslims by my statement. Tough. I am not a Muslim and I do not need to adhere to their standards. That doesn’t mean I was wrong in what I said. The Koran itself, like the Ten Commandments, strictly forbids the worship of graven images, or worship of anything other than Allah himself. In fact, there are a great many Muslims that object to the deification of the Koran itself that goes on whenever this issue comes up. It is, in fact, a form of idol worship that Islam itself forbids.

I am no more an expert on this subject than you are Hannitized, but I do not come to it from a position of ignorance.

Zsa, Zsa,

If you indeed did get the big picture, why are you creating an issue that doesn’t exist instead of recognizing the one that does?

I didn’t make you type the words you typed.  You clearly made the comparison about a bible being shot in America, as if it was even remotely close to the same situation.

I would be happy to know that you indeed “got it”, but your willingness to follow Robs blind lead didn’t really speak very highly of your position.

Additionally Ken, I didn’t criticize you so that I could talk about myself.  You asked, then punished me for answering.

You’re the one who came out swinging, pal.

Ken, We reeeeeally miss you at WILLisms.com!

ZZ, there are liberals who actually attend church on Sundays regularly, read the Bible, have raised their children to be God fearing who in turn have raised their children to attend church and be God fearing.  Conservatives like you don’t have the market cornered on religious beliefs or worshiping Jesus Christ.  Get a clue, ZZ. Just because you are a conservative that doesn’t make you more religious than a liberal.

Argh Zsa Zsa, I wonder if Will would take me back.

Hannitized, my real problem with this is that you claim to want a debate, but whenever I try to debate you, it turns into this assault upon my character.

Each and every time.

It is always I am dishonest, or have a narrow view, or am uneducated, or some other distraction from the actual issue at hand.

Ken:  Others have tried to point that out too.  H often thinks body-slamming is the same thing as discourse.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Ken, I know for a fact he would. We always talk about how much we miss you! Are you still do your art work? I loved your rendition of James Carville!!!!

How presumptuous of you. Who are you to make a complete assessement of me like that based on one comment on a blog?

Just as your comment was made on a blog, so was mine.  For what ever that was worth, keep it in mind.

I think the fact that you were unwilling, or unable to understand the idea that other people can be that different is not something that occurs periodically, or in isolated instances.  You either have the ability to step outside your understanding of the world, or you don’t.

Either you were being deliberately obtuse, or you are in fact incapable of understanding them.  That’s my opinion.  Sorry.

You don’t know me personally, and you don’t know anything about my ability to understand those who are not like me.

I don’t know you, but if I saw that you had only one eye I could tell you that your vision would be impaired to monocular vision compared to those who have two eye and binocular vision.  Facts are facts.  You lacked the ability to see the other side and it impaired your judgement on that issue.

You, in fact, are making a very rash and unfounded opinion about me, merely based upon one statement that I made.

Yes.  I look forward to seeing you react differently the next time.

Tough. I am not a Muslim and I do not need to adhere to their standards.

True, you don’t need to.  You only need to understand the results of your behavior and how it is interpreted if you are going to be foolish enough to shoot a Koran, in Iraq or Afghanistan while trying to establish peace.

The Koran itself, like the Ten Commandments, strictly forbids the worship of graven images, or worship of anything other than Allah himself. In fact, there are a great many Muslims that object to the deification of the Koran itself that goes on whenever this issue comes up.

Ok, so you and I might understand that.  But it doesn’t change the fact that shooting a Koran, or desecrating one while in Iraq, is a good idea.

Thats all.

H, I did that stand up paddle thing today...is that supposed to be fun? I don’t get it.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Puzzle, Sorry! I didn’t mean all Libs. I misspoke. I apologize. I don’t think conservatives have cornered the market on christianity.

See Hannitized, the mistake you made was the rash assumption that somehow I think shooting the Koran is acceptable or a good thing.

It is a terrible thing to do, as it undermines the goodwill we are trying to establish among Muslims. I no more support shooting or defacing a Koran than I do the Bible.

But of course, you were too busy making character judgements about me to realize that I think that Koran anxiety is idol worship, and that shooting the Koran are both bad things.

The two are not mutually exclusive. But perhaps that is too much nuance for you to understand. Not to mention not nearly as much fun as assassinating someone’s character, is it.

Ken:  Others have tried to point that out too.  H often thinks body-slamming is the same thing as discourse.

Poppycock. Nobody is here to sip tea with each other.  He came into this post like a cowboy with guns blazing.  I merely responded as I saw fit. 

I can’t help it if people think they can say what ever they want, and not expect a response with equal weight.

This is hockey after all....isn’t it Pparets?  A body slam is part of the game.

Rbb,

Hahaha.  Funny you should say that.  Did you do it on a 10ft and up board, and was it wide?  What was your experience?

I tried it last weekend on a 9ft soft top that wasn’t wide enough and could stand for about 20 seconds then I would fall off and ended up rubbing my stomach raw on that stupid soft top.

Later, I switched to my friends board and it was 100% different.  Caught a few waves but I really didn’t get it.  It was just catching a wave on your feet.  And?  It was only fun because I was in Waikiki and the girls seem to look up to that right now.  Go figure.

my neighbor has 3 boards different lengths the small one was 10-0. I don’t see it. Maybe if its flat and glassy and ya just want to get wet, but to surf on it? Naaaa. I did see Laird shoot the pier a few years ago on one...an epic swell - 15’ faces and the guy is out there on an 11-6 with a paddle...there is something wrong with that guy...but damn he can do stuff that scares me…

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

But of course, you were too busy making character judgements about me to realize that I think that Koran anxiety is idol worship, and that shooting the Koran are both bad things.

I don’t see how making that statement changes anything.  You simply stated that for them to feel this way about the Koran is juvenile and you didn’t understand all the hand wringing.  That doesn’t sound like you were condemning the act of shooting the bible to me.

It was as good of an interpretation as any.  I didn’t miss any data, you omitted important information.

Regardless of what you or I think, having the ability to understand that these people feel this way is an important step to understanding them.  Weather or not you agree or see logic in what they feel is irrelevant.  Isn’t it?

Look Hannitized, I can both see how they feel about things, and disagree with it at the same time.

What, in order to see how other people see things, I have to always agree with them as well?

Does anyone else see the hypocrisy of the left on this issue?  How often are we treated to the left’s disdain for the bible and the impuning of those who respect it?

No.  And wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

You followed Rob off a cliff.

What, in order to see how other people see things, I have to always agree with them as well?

Why would you say that?  I said the exact opposite.

I only suggested that we should understand them, not agree, and also that we cold do well to be tolerant of their culture.  I would hope that eventually they would catch up to “our interpretation” of things.  But then again, that is a very arrogant assumption on my part.

I only suggested that we should understand them, not agree, and also that we cold do well to be tolerant of their culture.  I would hope that eventually they would catch up to “our interpretation” of things.  But then again, that is a very arrogant assumption on my part.

I disagree with none of that.

You followed Rob off a cliff.

Well, I’m sure you speak from a great deal of experience.

Ken,

Then I owe you an apology.  But your comment looked opposite of your views.

HG,

How long was that free fall?

Rbb,

I bet we stand up paddle again.  And man....you should see some of the nuts out here.  As I get older...i get more afeared. 

Have a good night fellas.  It’s poker night.

Hannitized, I hope we can deal with each other in good faith.

I promise to use my best efforts in that regard.

How long was that free fall?

You tell me H.  You’re the one denying the disrespect and disregard for the bible exhibited by so many on the left…

No.  And wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

The only thing the Koran is good for is to be riddled with bullets since it was written by a false prophet.

Panda,

And just WHO whispered THAT little tidbit into your ear?

To err is human.  To keep fucking things up over and over again takes a politician.

Regards…

"If you indeed did get the big picture, why are you creating an issue that doesn’t exist instead of recognizing the one that does?”

The big picture is that your media refuses to condemn terrorists for killing innocent people. They howl and screech at the least slight by Coalition forces. Clear bias.

Oh, went to Rueters, don’t find pics of shot up Qur’an. Your link goes to some idiot screeching about how no one pays attention to him on youtube. What is your point, sanni? And I don’t mean the one on top of your head.

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I agree with Rob, the media is pushing hard to make this as big an issue as they can, including all the inevitable dead that will ensue at various riots.  When it turned out it was the PRISONERS that were attempting to flush Korans down the toilet the media soft pedaled. 

This isn’t about desecration of a book by a moron, it’s about creating the big, murderous reaction that makes news.

I rarely comment here anymore because the threads all seem to turn into a he-said/she-said, you’re-an-idiot, no-YOU’re-the-idiot exchange of insults.

Speaking only for myself, I DO understand the perspective of the muslims in Iraq who are upset by a soldier using the Koran for target practice.  It was a stupid, short-sighted, and ‘wrong’ thing to do.  It doesn’t matter whether or not christians would be as upset if the tables were turned--that’s not the point.

On the other hand, understanding how they feel does not (for me) legitimize those feelings anymore than ‘understanding’ why cartoons depicting Allah does.  It does, however, illustrate why trying to ‘win their hearts and minds’ is futile.

Other than freeing Iraqis from Saddam’s regime and drawing terrorists to Iraq so we can better kill them (both admirable things), we have thoroughly botched the war effort.  If you don’t believe that, please explain to me why we continue to allow Maliki to pose as a Prime Minister.

What Hannitized fails to recognize, as far as I’m concerned anyway, is that ‘understanding’ their perspective and ‘giving a shit’ are two different things.  Frankly I don’t care that they are thin-skinned zealots.  What I DO care about is our evident reluctance to take off the gloves and finish the job in both Iraq and Afghanistan.  If war is truly ‘diplomacy by other means’, we are not being nearly diplomatic enough.

Where the hell is Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?

To err is human.  To keep fucking things up over and over again takes a politician.

Regards…

The music that can deepest reach, And cure all ill. is cordial speech.-----Ralph Waldo Emerson

This is a good test to see how many “moderate Muslims” really exist.

I predict rioting in the streets, wanton murder, and threats against any and all “infidels”.

The “reality based liberals” will then rush to defend the actions of the Muslims.

Welcome to Change™ and Hope™. Nothing has changed, and the hope is nonexistent.

Speaking only for myself, I DO understand the perspective of the muslims in Iraq who are upset by a soldier using the Koran for target practice.  It was a stupid, short-sighted, and ‘wrong’ thing to do.  It doesn’t matter whether or not christians would be as upset if the tables were turned--that’s not the point.

I cant disagree with that.  Take note HG.

On the other hand, understanding how they feel does not (for me) legitimize those feelings anymore than ‘understanding’ why cartoons depicting Allah does.  It does, however, illustrate why trying to ‘win their hearts and minds’ is futile.

What do you mean by legitimize?  By understanding the disastrous consequences that result or could result from shooting a Koran, and curbing your behavior as a result, you have essentially legitimized it. 

I don’t necessarily “understand” the point of taking my shoes off to walk into someone’s house who has tile, but I do it anyway.  I legitimize their belief by changing my behavior as not to offend them. 

The concept of winning their hearts and minds, at least to me, only entailed making sure they are with us against fighting terrorism, not against us. 

What Hannitized fails to recognize, as far as I’m concerned anyway, is that ‘understanding’ their perspective and ‘giving a shit’ are two different things.  Frankly I don’t care that they are thin-skinned zealots.

Yes you do care.  You understand the results of the behavior of shooting a Koran, and you have said it was stupid.  You care, regardless if you admit it to yourself, or understand.

What you confuse if the idea of understanding and agreeing.  Yes, I understand why they feel the way they do, and I understand the results of not caring.  I just don’t agree with their ideas, nor do I think they are reasonable.  But regardless, it is a reality that we need to be keenly aware of.

Cordial speech masks lies and deciet.

Two Hotel Niner

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2Hotel, You are a brat!

I try, Babe!

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Now THAT is insensitive! I like it.

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2Hotel, Maybe Santa will bring you one for Christmas?