US Forest Service: No Jesus Allowed on National Christmas Tree

• October 1, 2009

The U.S. Forest Service has banned the name of Jesus from decorations being assembled by children in Arizona for a blue spruce from the state that will become the Capitol Christmas Tree this year, and a legal firm is challenging the censorship.
“Banning Christmas from the Capitol Christmas tree is just absurd. Christian students shouldn’t be discriminated against for expressing their religious beliefs,” said Jonathan Scruggs, litigation staff counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund.
“The First Amendment does not allow government officials to exclude school children’s ornaments
for the capitol’s Christmas tree merely because they communicate a religious viewpoint,” he said yesterday.
“The Supreme Court has consistently condemned viewpoint discrimination regardless where it occurs,” the letter continued. “Viewpoint discrimination is an ‘egregious’ form of discrimination that occurs ‘[w]hen the government targets not subject matter, but particular views taken by speakers on a subject.’

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=111509

Our federal organizations have gone nuts about avoiding any Christian references, speech or activity, anywhere on federal property. It is a national tradition, a tree displayed only at the Christmas season and no matter what games they play with words, it is a tree celebrating Jesus birth and for them then to say His Name cannot be on that tree borders on the insane.
I am more concerned because of the government, federal, state and local feeling they have a right to suppress free speech or freedom of worship in the public square in opposition to the First Amendment. Either the Bill of Rights have meaning in the public square or we have allowed the State to end those rights outside the Amendment process. Where did they get that right?

Tags: Freedom Of Speech, The Loony Left

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Whistler: Using both Firefox and Explorer the SAB Front Page is screwed up.
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I hope nobody tells the Forest Service guys what “Christmas” means.
Anna830

Whether a Chrsitmas tree is displayed with or without a Christian theme, it is still symbolic of Jesus Christ PERIOD. If this “no Christ on the Christmas tree” rule apeases atheists then they’re being stupid about the entire issue in the first place
LOL .. Does this mean manger scenes can be displayed on gov’t property as long as there’s no baby Christ?
Neiman

Anna830: FYI – Our resident atheist Rob has no objections to either Christmas trees with Christian themes or a Creche on City property.
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I think it’s fixed now. It seems to have been a youtube video that I had posted.

It was screwed up for me in Firefox but Google Chrome and IE worked.

Sorry.
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Neiman, the pagans called.

They want their tree back.
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Sorry Boob, I know what guys like you do to innocent trees.
Neiman

Neiman, the pagans called. They want their tree back.

Dear Grinch: It is wisdom to stay silent rather than to speak and prove yourself to be a fool!

Germany is credited with starting the Christmas tree tradition in the 16th century when devout Christians brought decorated trees into their homes. Some built Christmas pyramids of wood and decorated them with evergreens and candles if wood was scarce.

The Christmas tree custom gradually became popular in other parts of Europe. In England Prince Albert, husband of Queen Victoria made Christmas trees fashionable by decorating the first English Christmas tree at Windsor castle with candles and a variety of sweets, fruits and gingerbread in 1841. Of course, soon other wealthy English families followed suit, using all kinds of extravagant items as decorations. Charles Dickens described such a tree as being covered with dolls, miniature furniture, tiny musical instruments, costume jewelry, toy guns and swords, fruit and candy, in the 1850s.

Most of the 19th century Americans found Christmas trees an oddity. The first record of one being on display was in the 1830s by the German settlers of Pennsylvania. They put one on show to raise money for a local church. In 1851 a tree was set up outside of a church. The people of the parish thought it such an outrage and a return to paganism and asked the minister to take it down.

By the 1890s Christmas ornaments were arriving from Germany and Christmas tree popularity was on the rise around the U.S. It was noted that Europeans used small trees about four feet in height, while Americans liked their Christmas to reach from floor to ceiling.

Yes you may argue about some pagan origins and you’ll argue with yourself, but it has now for several centuries been associated with Christmas and Christ and it is what is in our hearts that makes the difference. If we see it as pagan, we Christians sin to put it in our homes or anywhere. If we look upon it and honor Christ, we are blessed for what is in our hearts that God will judge.

Your being an atheist, I guess it is pagan to you and a symbol of your faith!
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God hates conifers.

Jeremiah 10:2-4

Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
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If we see it as pagan, we Christians sin to put it in our homes or anywhere. If we look upon it and honor Christ, we are blessed for what is in our hearts that God will judge.

Thank you for that excellent example of making up the rules as you go along, making a god in your image and likeness.
Neiman

rbb: First, you are not even, by your own admission a Christian, so why is it any of your business? Why do you care? It has no effect upon you at all!

Next, we are Christians -> See the New Testament, we live under a New Covenant of Grace, NOT the Law, we are free in Christ from ordinances! You quoted Jeremiah -> That is Old Testament, the Law of Moses, it is for the Jews, it is the Old Covenant between God and with the death of Christ a New Covenant came into being.

Jeremiah 10:3

For the customs of the people are vain. Or, “their decrees”, or “statutes,” their determinations and conclusions, founded upon the observation of the stars; or, their “rites and ceremonies” in religion, in the worship of the sun and moon, and the hosts of heaven. The Syriac version is, “the idols of the people are nothing”; and which appears by what follows: for one cuts a tree out of the forest (the work of the hands of the workman) with the axe; not for building, or for burning, but to make a god of; the vanity, stupidity, and folly of which are manifest, when it is considered that the original of it is a tree that grew in the forest; the matter and substance of it the body and trunk of a tree cut down with an axe, and then hewed with the same, and planed with a plane, and formed into the image of a man, or of some creature; and now, to fall down and worship this must be vanity and madness to the last degree; see (Isaiah 44:13-17) (45:20) .”

It was an admonition against idolatry. No one I know worships a Christmas Tree nor makes a god of it, prays to it or puts it in the place of Christ.

Thank you for that excellent example of making up the rules as you go along, making a god in your image and likeness.

Your ignorance of Christianity is appalling and every time you, an enemy of Christ, tries to use Scripture, you only make yourself into a fool. You use Scripture, like does your father, falsely, to attack people of faith and not to honor God. You should stick to what you know, if anything!
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I pray for you everlasting soul, Neiman.
Neiman

I pray for you everlasting soul, Neiman.

You are not a Christian, so as I have always asked you, what pig god are you praying to? Oh, I know I hurt your feelings because as usual I proved you wrong and mentioned your lying father. Sorry! It is just that you are what you are and that is thoroughly evil!

You started crap about Christmas trees just because you like to attack people and cause strife, I feel so sad for you!
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Neiman:

US Forest Service: No Jesus Allowed on National Christmas Tree

By Neiman on October 1, 2009 at 07:21 am

Forgetful Neiman:

You started crap about Christmas trees just because you like to attack people and cause strife, I feel so sad for you!

Neiman on October 1, 2009 at 01:51 pm
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Neiman:

we are Christians -> See the New Testament, we live under a New Covenant of Grace, NOT the Law, we are free in Christ from ordinances!

1) You think you are a Christian?

2) So, no 10 commandments for you then?
Neiman

1) You think you are a Christian?

2) So, no 10 commandments for you then?

I AM a Christian, whether you and your father like it or not!

Belief in the 10 Commandments has nothing to do with whether or not someone is a Christian, it is by true faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord only that makes one a Christian. It is of Grace, not works of the Law! Try reading the Bible sometimes, not backwards like your father, from front to back and forward will help you a lot!
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What makes you think that you are a Christian?
Neiman

What makes you think that you are a Christian?

I just explained how we know, can’t you read? How long have you known you are a child of hell, a son of Satan?
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Oh Neiman, don’t waste too much of your precious time thinking you are a Christian. No one is buying it.
Neiman

Grow up rbb! I get tired of your childish, boorish and idiotic games. Go play with yourself!
Neiman

Oh Neiman, don’t waste too much of your precious time thinking you are a Christian. No one is buying it.

Of course you and your lying father through you will attack me, he and you both hate Christ and his children. You are just like your father. I do not need your approval or agreement, it has nothing to do with you and the evil in you.

You need Jesus as your savior, you need inner healing for your many demons, you need psychiatric help and you desperately need to grow up and get off drugs!

No stop highjacking threads to spread your filth! First thing tomorrow I have to get back to that blocking thing. It is great seeing so many of Dino’s comments deleted and it will be just as joyous to see yours deleted as well.
Neiman

They aren’t listening and never will.)

Well, you are right there! I do plead guilty to responding way too long to people like this, I give into temptation even though I swear I’ll ignore them. So, I’ll give you that point!

people become lapsed Christians because Christianity has practically no spiritual draw left to it and in a time when the whole of society is spiritually aimless, that’s quite an accomplishment.

That only proves the truth of God’s Word! He said at about this time in history there would be a great falling away from the faith and when He returned, although He knew the answer, he posed the question about whether or not He would find any faith left on earth. It is as there are fewer Children of God Left that evil will prevail, but they will not be victorious over His children in the end.

Between Dino and the libtard troll brigades trying to turn this site into a closet leftist asylum and you with the endless attempts to make the official line creationism and pro-Christianity, it’s no wonder the regular comment list is the same group of die-hards all the time.

Except for a few posts, it is almost always someone else bringing up Creationism or Christianity and I have a duty, by God’s Word, to give an answer for the faith in me by anyone that would ask. Would you say that a Christian then is just to keep silent or if they are a believer in Christ at all they have a duty to contend for the faith that if only one ever responds, it is worth the aggravation and personal attacks.

As to victim hood, I deny that charge! If they attack Christ or Christians or even those promoting family values, they are to that degree anti-Christ or anti-Christian, Jesus even accused Peter of that when He was out of God’s Will.

Lastly, you may think ill of me if you will, make wild charges and do whatever you like, all Christians expect such attacks just as Christ was hated, attacked and killed. In fact, according to Paul we are to rejoice when attacked for our faith in Christ and be glad to be worthy of such attacks. It is my responsibility to work with the degree of light in Christ I have to the best of my ability and not seek the advice of those outside Christ.

Sorry, my presence here so often offends you!
WOOFX

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dgtvjesuschrist

Only Jesus can save us- everything else is useless.

All other religions are demonized? Islam, buddhism, etc. – because they do not have Jesus, salvation through Jesus?

That is why modern life style is satanic- demonized too:

We do not feel anymore anything? We see poor homeless people, junkies, etc.- and we walk by without even thinking about those people. We see our cell phone, but nothign else. We have violence, being ‘hard’ or ‘heavy’- culture, ‘no emotions’-culture or ‘show no emotions’ – culture. From where this all comes?
It is satanic life style, introduced us by TV, entertainment, etc.

http://www.icr.org/article/739/

“LaVey … sees television as the major mainstream infiltration of the new Satanic religion.”

Modern immigration of those demonic religioons is created by satanic world elite- in order to destroy christian life style- and destroy christians?

We get huge immigration of islam,oriental cultures and latinos, catholics. All these lack Jesus, and therefore they are demonic?

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/robertson-says-all-other-religions-worship-%E2%80%9Cdemonic-powers%E2%80%9D

http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2009/10/pat-robertson-says-other-religions.html

You can see this yourself. These people harass other people? These people do not hesitate to use violence if needed? They lie- are very nice or quiet, if they are alone- but if they are majority, they change in one second being angry or hostile?

Note that this immigration also changes our western democracies totalitarian obey-culture states…= satanic obey-cult? This immigration from barbaric culture countries consists of people, who have no slightest idea about democracy? Their only idea about state is to obey some dictator? = satanic new world order’s ideal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAG-6RakGZQ

= Freemasons have no Jesus,= demonic?, and that is why they use their high politicians in governments and send these immigrants into our countries?

http://euro-med.dk/?p=10133
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/islam-network.html

Right way to help those countries, is to help them to create democracy and equality. Why immigrants from those countries stay in our countries instead of bringing their new knowledge to their own countries?…
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Oh for fucks’ sake will you drop this shit already???

Between Dino and the libtard troll brigades trying to turn this site into a closet leftist asylum and you with the endless attempts to make the official line creationism and pro-Christianity, it’s no wonder the regular comment list is the same group of die-hards all the time.

99.9% of the people you have a problem with Neiman were born into ostensibly Christian families. They aren’t Jews, they aren’t atheists (no such thing exists amongst humans), nor Buddhists or Muslims, they are lapsed Christians.

Maybe you should stop to figure out why that is instead of responding with the reflexive victimhood cry of them being anti-Christian. You only encourage them and you play to it.

This is just one more facet of modern Christianity that always made me sick to my stomach about Protestants when I was growing up. I always knew they’d devolve like the fizz of an antacid in a glass of water until any sort of meaning was lost and they were down to creating and responding to detractors like retarded children getting picked on in the school yard. Learn when to shut the fuck up and get on with your own house before worrying about the spiritual houses of the idiots Christianity keeps spawning.

(A clue: people become lapsed Christians because Christianity has practically no spiritual draw left to it and in a time when the whole of society is spiritually aimless, that’s quite an accomplishment. When families’ only communication to their rebellious children and teens is that they go to church or should believe simply because they were told to, you’ve failed. It must be noted that the vast majority of alleged spiritual leaders of Christianity are wholly without solid skill at awakening conscience and empathy within their flock and many instead get on the bandwagon of empty rhetoric and verbal theatrics instead. THIS failure to get and keep the heart is what is by default causing the otherwise bland and witless religion of “I can do anything I want” to win the day. When hell comes for the world, it comes because you didn’t find a way to touch the heart before it could turn to selfish and shallow things. This is EXACTLY a warning given from older Catholic priests to younger priests before they take the pulpit and it has been ALWAYS true back to the Egyptians and their gods. Fail to connect and hold, and whatever is left shall surely fill the space.)

Not that I expect you to listen, being so full of righteous piss and fiery vinegar. But maybe you’ll listen someday and learn to fight battles that can actually be fought and not spend time responding to troll bait like a retarded twelve year old. (Advice r108 could use with some of the trolls he wastes time endlessly replying to. They aren’t listening and never will.)

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