RR:

This conservative retired Marine will chime in

Thanks for the laugh.

Dino is having wet dream of Vietnam.

Sure the people want us to leave, its their country. And I believe that President Bush made every effort to explain that, but Libs and American media kept saying that we were there for the oil. Now they have been proven wrong.

Apology anyone?

saddam lied, saddam died!

The racist Rugby Reader can’t get away from using logical fallacies.

How funny.

The strength of his position is laid bare for all to see. He looks and sees skin color over differing ideologies and uses the chickenhawk fallacy as a hammer.

How funny!

I’d like to see how this country would react if they had lost tens of thousands of lives due to an invasion that pretty much took out one dictator and put in another.

They have had four elections (as the ABC report pointed out) since the invasion. That is why 64% think democracy is the best way. Don’t let reality get in the way of your little rant though.

The so-called “war” is illegal because the United States assaulted and occupied Iraq…

More leftie lies; we didn’t “assualt” Iraq; we deposed a murdering dictator who slaughtered and tortured(real torture, no interrogation) hundreds of thousands of his own people, besides harboring and funding worldwide terrorists.
The UN has no sovereignty over us, as it is composed of tyrants and slaveowners, for the most part. They also funded Saddam through the bogus “oil for food” program.

Your premises are bullshit, as usual.

We have not accomplished one positive thing in Iraq. We had no business or right to attack Iraq in the first place. Everything that follows from our initial crime of invading Iraq is bullshit and government propaganda. I was there. I saw it for myself.

Although we have killed an awful lot of less-than-white folks, so that might not be such a bad thing for folks from Alabama.

Really, Norway Boy, show us the line in the United States Constitution that says the United Nations is in control of America. We will be here waiting.

Sorry, Rugby Reader. You’re a known racist liar. Everything you claim and say is suspect. I don’t believe that you’ve been to Iraq. You’re probably lying.

That’s the problem with lying – even when you might be telling the truth, people won’t believe you.

When you go on about “George W. Bush’s lies”, all I see is projection. It’s not like you don’t have a history of such behavior. I mean, just look at your racist rants. You try to glob that one off onto everybody else around you. It doesn’t look too good and it’s more than a little transparent.

Well, carry on with your tired one note. “Brown people”, “redneck”, “Bush’s lies”, “chickenhawk”, blah blah boring blah. I won’t be seeing it. I’m throwing you back into that ignore script. You’re a waste of time and offer no stimulating intellectual debate.

Be gone, useless troll!

Besides, the occupation of Iraq is immoral.

BTW, we have not accomplished anything positive with our invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Of course I’m messed up. I wasted 547 days of my life in Iraq for George W. Bush’s lies. Everything the US government told US about Iraq is bullshit.

This conservative retired Marine will chime in anytime Iraq is mentioned by chickenhawks. We had no business attacking Iraq. We have no business occupying Iraq.

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without the consent of the UN Security Council

That is assuming that the United States surrendered its autonomy to the UN. The UN has no authority except for what the nations give it, and the United States has not granted the UN sovereignty over any of its policies, foreign or domestic. You argument falls flat on its ass.

because the Congress has never declared bush’s invasion to be a war.

The congress doesn’t have to declare war, all they have to do is give the president the power to act as pur the War powers act of 1973.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/

Again your again collapses from its own ignorance.

I like how the tolerant left has no compunction against stereotyping anyone the don’t like as rednecks or mindless, brainwashed killers. Its funny, they come to a conservative website and are tolerated for the mostly mindless drivel they spew, the whole time they claim that we are intolerant. Yet, if I were to go to many leftie sites my comments would be deleted as fast as I wrote them. Projection? I do know this, the men in my guard unit that RR slandered are far better men than he will ever be, whether he was a Marine or not.

Americans rock! I’m proud to be one, except for Iraq.

Again, fuck off RR. Prove we have not accomplished anything in Iraq. Until you do you are just a bigoted troll. Call me a and the rest of Alabama rednecks. It just says more about you and your character than anything else you do. You are no
conservative and I doubt that you were a Marine.

Appeasement – to yield or concede to the belligerent demands of (a nation, group, person, etc.) in a conciliatory effort, sometimes at the expense of justice or other principles.

This word, I don’t think it means what you think it means…

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/world/middleeast/24sunni.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=world

Yes we paid them to switch sides. They repaid us in blood.

No one has ever doubted that many of the recipients of the American money were once insurgents, some aligned with Al Qaeda at one time. Essentially, they were paid to change sides. They have paid a price: More than 500 were killed in the fighting that ousted Al Qaeda from their neighborhoods and villages in 2007 and 2008.

Now they continue to be the victims of assassinations by extremists, most recently on Monday, when an Awakening leader in Abu Ghraib was killed.

The Awakening members’ willingness to lose their lives fighting Al Qaeda gradually persuaded Iraqi leaders around Mr. Maliki to soften their distrust and to bring these local fighters into the fold. Many Awakening leaders praised Mr. Maliki, but said other factions in the Iraqi government were undercutting his efforts. “The Iraqi Army considers us members of Al Qaeda, not Awakening Council leaders,” said Sheik Awad al-Harbousi, who lost a son, a father and four other close relatives to Al Qaeda, and who still leads the council in Taji, just north of Baghdad. “We sacrificed to kick out Al Qaeda, and this is their thank-you?”

He said his members voted Saturday to leave the Awakening movement, though they would keep their posts. “This is a message to the prime minister,” he said, suggesting that the move was only symbolic so far.

What is new about this? Were we appeasing the French when we let French forces in Africa join the Allies? We paid them, rearmed them and used them to fight the Germans.

The rest of US know what a crock of lies the Iraq quagmire really is.

Is the US the rest of the inmates in the insane asylum where you reside?

Rugby Reader – I’m no racist, dude. Check with the people wanting to kill less-than-white folks.

Yes, you are. You’re the one fixated on skin color.

You can’t run away from what you are. Hell, you can’t even be quiet about differing skin colors. It is what you see first! Because you’re a racist.

We have not accomplished one positive thing in Iraq. We had no business or right to attack Iraq in the first place. Everything that follows from our initial crime of invading Iraq is bullshit and government propaganda. I was there. I saw it for myself.

Dude do us all a favor and go hang out with Markos at the Daily Kos you would probably fit in better over there. The huffington Post would also be a good place for you. You part of the blame America First croud, the kind that go around saying how Evil the USA is.

“immoral, unjustified, unconstitutional”

In your country, Norway, perhaps. In America it is moral, justified, and Constitutional. Suck on that.

Rugby drags out the ole “chicken hawk” argument. By the way, what made the war “illegal”? What made it unconstitutional? I seem to remember Bush going to congress and asking for permission just like the Constitution required. I thought he did a good job justifying the war. You may not have liked the justification but you don’t have the final say. I like you use of the royal US. I know people that are pro war and people that are against the war. The most pro war group is my National Guard unit that just got back from Iraq. The anti war group is dominated by people that wouldn’t serve if Hitler and Satan invaded because, “war never solves anything!”. (The most historically inaccurate and stupid statement ever to cross the lips of mankind.)

Hey dude, anything to help the cause. Rock on!

Freedumb is on the march.

Dino:

I’d like to see how this country would react if they had lost tens of thousands of lives due to an invasion that pretty much took out one dictator and put in another.

We don’t have dictators here. We have elected politicians we are free to unelect regularly when enough people decide to. Thus, there’s no need of invasion to save us unless you count yourself in which case Canada is due north, Mexico to the south, don’t let the border gate hit you in the backside on the way out.

I know your kind distrust your fellow man so much that you cannot believe they have any positive attributes or potential, but I believe otherwise. The Iraqis will learn to take charge of themselves as a people and join the rest of the world in self-determination punctuated by regular debate and chaos. They can do this. If they don’t, well… Someone had to try and someone will have to try again.

Kind of why I and others bother to talk sense to you.

Appeasement

All but 10,000 of the 94,000 Sunni militiamen — many of them former insurgents who agreed, for cash, to stop killing American soldiers – had been turned over to the control of the Iraqi military.