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Sunday, April 13, 2008


Universal Health Care Is Great

As long as you’re not sick or anything.

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the subtitle reads: When doctors ignore crucial symptoms, it can mean the difference between life and death

I suppose that doesn’t happen here? (Actually, I know it does)

Graeme on April 13, 2008 at 10:21 pm
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I suppose that doesn’t happen here?

Any system that includes human involvement is going to be imperfect.  Humans make mistakes.

But that which is described in that article doesn’t happen with as great of frequency in America.  But I suppose you’ll ignore that bit of inconvenient truth just as you ignore everything else that is wrong with socialism.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on April 13, 2008 at 10:24 pm
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Do you have a solution of how to get approximately 30% of the population health care?

Lestat on April 13, 2008 at 11:26 pm

Do you have a solution of how to get approximately 30% of the population health care?

No.

Do you?

Government is not the solution.

likwidshoe on April 13, 2008 at 11:37 pm

Wait a minute. Why is someone else’s health care my concern?

Is someone going to come over and pay my bills for me? Can I get a free ride as well?

I got typed. Are you? What are you doing? Are you sacrificing for your fellow man?

Get off of my back.

likwidshoe on April 13, 2008 at 11:45 pm
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Thirty percent of the population?  Are you really trying to tell us that 91 million people in America have no health insurance available to them at all?

Not even the most liberal of Democrats makes that claim.  The number most often thrown around is 30 - 40 million.  The US Census puts the number specifically at 45 million.

Many Americans have health insurance available to them, but simply don’t take it.

For instance, some 500,000 people nationwide who are eligible for the SCHIP program (the current one, not the expanded behemoth the Democrats proposed) haven’t enrolled in it.  And I don’t know about the rest of you, but I routinely see articles like this one in the media about bureaucrats trying to close the “health care gap” by getting people signed up for government programs they’re eligible for.

What’s more, while politicians like Hillary and Barack like to toss around a US Census number tabulating some 45 million Americans as being uninsured, the reality is that tens of millions of those 45 million are eligible for existing government health care programs and simply have not enrolled in them.  This is a hard number to quantify, but ballpark it’s around 30 million people with another approximately 12 million having income levels above $50,000/year which is certainly enough for most people to secure their own health care.

So, even going with conservative estimates on the number of the uninsured who have insurance available to them, the reality is that most of them really are choosing to be uninsured.

In answer to your question, Lestat, we’re already providing insurance for the uninsured.  That they won’t take it, and/or won’t provide it for themselves, is hardly anyone else’s fault but theirs.


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Rob on April 14, 2008 at 12:43 am
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It’s amzing how may people I see that are eleigible for Medicaid never sign up for it. There are many people eligible for medical insurance who just don’t take the time to to do the paperwork. That being said, the key to getting everyone covered (assuming you think that;s a worthwhile goal) is to make insurance more affordable which can be done via nationalized medical malpractice reform, and opening up the insurance market so people can buy insurance from any insurer in the country, which they can’t do now.

You can then issue vouchers to partially subsidize the purchase of insurance by people who still can’t afford it. So, their are market-based solutions to the problem, but the Democrats will fight them tooth and nail. The last thing we need is a nationalized health care system but I fear that’s just a matter of time.

Eye Doc on April 14, 2008 at 03:57 am

Lestat.  Some people do not want health insurance.  They pay as they go.  Just recently, several grocery stores-pharmacies dispense the most common drugs for free!  Many of the 30% are illegal aliens.  We can not and will not fund the world with free care that they should and could buy themselves if they weren’t doing other things with their money.  I do not want any government, including mine making decisions about my health.  Work, buy insurance or not.  It is your free choice, and should be.  Any questions?


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Chief RZ on April 14, 2008 at 04:40 am

lestupid? Why don’t they just go to the doctor? It is against the law to refuse medical care to anyone who needs it. Put your socialist stupidity in place and people will be refused healthcare. Don’t do as the government commands, you don’t get healthcare. Be a member of the wrong political party, you don’t get healthcare. Speak out against government policy, you don’t get healthcare.

Doc, sorry, government is the problem, not the solution. You work in the medical industry? You should know that.


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2Hotel9 on April 14, 2008 at 04:41 am
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One would think that the left would look at the disaster that socialized medicine is in the countries that have it and how fast certain European nations are trying to run away from it.

DogOnCrack on April 14, 2008 at 06:25 am

Do you have a solution of how to get approximately 30% of the population health care?

I would suggest they go out and “earn” it.  That’s how most people get it unless they are children and their parents “earn” it for them.


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The Whistler on April 14, 2008 at 09:03 am
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Do you have a solution of how to get approximately 30% of the population health care?

Lestat on April 13, 2008 at 11:26 pm

Don’t have to.  Every American has healthcare whether they can pay for it or not.  The 30% who claim they can’t afford it have options.  One, medicare; Two, major medical (my preference) and private pay for doctor visits; Three, charity (every hospital has charitable trusts for those who cannot afford major procedures); Four, freinds and family; and so on.

The best solution may be all four.

HG on April 14, 2008 at 11:17 am
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The worst solution would be to nationalize healthcare and trade freedom for socialized medicine.

HG on April 14, 2008 at 11:22 am
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Did you see the Bunk study stating 2/3 of doctors in America want National Health Care. The doctors who did this study also conducted one in 2002 and found that the majority of doctors did not want national health care, the problem with this is that the 2 question surveys drastically differ in there 2nd question. I found this article,  60% of Physicians Surveyed Oppose Switching to a National Health Care Plan,  It’s worth a read.

matt on April 20, 2008 at 06:46 pm
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you all do not know any thing there are people that can not work any more and if they have medicaid they are told will we will not pay for this med or that med any more if you get 6oo a month and you pay all of your bills and you have left 5.80 then how can you pay for the doctor or the hosp. or your meds and how can you pay 600 to 900 a month for the meds you need will do you what you can not

jt on July 3, 2008 at 06:36 pm

jt, get on your knees and beg government for healthcare. Grovel and cry, they like that.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2008 at 04:40 am
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