Union Whines About Illegal Immigrant Raids

You may not have heard, but yesterday federal agents made sweeping raids at several packing plants in Texas, Colorado, Iowa, Nebraska and Minnesota that resulted in the arrest of many illegal immigrants. Today the whining begins from illegal immigration apologists, and the people who are perhaps whining the loudest are the unions as evidenced by this press release:

WASHINGTON, Dec. 12 /U.S. Newswire/ — The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (UFCW) is seeking an immediate injunction in federal court, today, on behalf of workers employed by Swift and Company packing operations in Texas, Colorado, Iowa, Nebraska and Minnesota.
The workers were subjected to a wholesale round up, including detention, by Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.
“Essentially, the agents stormed the plants, many of them in riot gear, in an effort designed to terrorize the workforce,” said Mark Lauritsen, director of the UFCW Food Processing, Packing and Manufacturing division.
The UFCW represents workers at the Swift and Company plants, as well as other major packers around the country.
“This kind of action is totally uncalled for,” said Lauritsen. “It’s designed to punish workers for working hard everyday, contributing to the success of their companies and communities. They are innocent victims in an immigration system that has been hijacked by corporations for the purpose of importing an exploitable workforce.”

Innocent victims? The truth of the matter is that these raids took place because the illegal immigrants working at these plants stole the identities of lawful U.S. citizens in order to get their jobs.

Federal agents raided six Swift & Co. processing plants in six states on Tuesday in search of illegal immigrants who stole the identities of lawful U.S. residents and used their Social Security numbers to get jobs at the beef and pork company.
Agents from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency executed search warrants at Swift’s processing facilities in Greeley, Colo.; Grand Island, Neb.; Cactus, Texas; Hyrum, Utah; Marshalltown, Iowa; and Worthington, Minn.
ICE officials didn’t give the total number of people arrested but said workers were being apprehended on administrative immigration violations and in some cases, existing criminal arrest warrants. The warrants allow federal agents to arrest anyone at the plant who is in the United States illegally.

You have to ask yourself why the unions put the interests of illegal immigrants – who have broken the law both by thumbing their noses out our established immigration policies and stealing the identities of lawful U.S. citizens (among other crimes) – over an interest in law in order. And the answer to that question is that the unions are more interested in the dues they were collecting from these workers than anything else. Money, and not concern over workable immigration laws, is what these unions are worried about.
The rest of us, who don’t have a financial interest in illegal immigrant criminals working American jobs, should be happy about these raids even if they are too little too late in terms of immigration enforcement.

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  • robert108

    Ok, I’m wondering what happens WHEN you get your credit report and find out that someone else is using your SS number.

    The answer is that you report it to SS, and they take about a year to get it straightened out, after you spend your time going down to the local office and documenting who you are. No law enforcement gets involved, and all you get is your SS acount back, eventually. Been there, done that.
    No crooks get apprehended, no illegals(or whomever) get deported. All you get is eventual personal satisfaction; nothing changes in the overall situation.

    I think the raids are the right thing to do, since BP let them get in originally. A well-enforced border is the best solution, since after-the-fact always costs more and takes more time.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    It sounds like the Swift company did everything legal and are in no trouble. The problem is that the government's made it impossible for employers to discover if someone's legal to work in the country IF they have a fake ID.

    Of course the government shouldn't be letting in these quantities of illegals into the country in the first place.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    If Swift is found to have knowingly hired illegal immigrants, then they need to be held accountable for that. But outside of evidence suggesting that, I think the way the government handled this was just fine.

  • jpe

    The really ridiculous thing is that the company was fined 200k in 2001 for "discriminating based on national origin (ie, asking hispanic applicants if they were illegals). It's a rock and a hard place kind of thing for them (unless, per Rob, it was knowing, rather than negligent or reckless).

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Captain Ed is reporting that Swift is legal because they followed the screening law.

    However this does put them in a huge problem. They've got product to deliver and no workers.

    If the government had a GOOD system at keeping illegal workers out they never would have hired illegals in the first place. They wouldn't be short now.

    It would have been illegal for them NOT to hire these workers. Now they're stuck.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    You know, it would have been perfectly legal for Swift to have performed a background check on these workers to determine that they are in fact who they say they are. Given that they're often handing their workers a razor sharp butcher knife for their work, I even think it might be a decent idea.

    Also, the big meatpackers and other agribusinesses tend to have recruiting officers down in Mexico. I simply don't believe that they "don't know" they're hiring illegals, to put it mildly. For about $50 a worker, they can do some due diligence to make sure they're hiring people who have a right to be here. Dunkin Donuts is doing it!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You know, it would have been perfectly legal for Swift to have performed a background check on these workers to determine that they are in fact who they say they are. Given that they're often handing their workers a razor sharp butcher knife for their work, I even think it might be a decent idea.

    As someone who works in the background check industry I can tell you that this would have stopped all of these illegals from getting hired. Unfortunately, most businesses don't want to go through the expense. It can cost about $100 or so to get a fairly thorough background (some companies offer them for much less, but you get what you pay for).

    I can't blame Swift for deciding not to run backgrounds on laborerers who likely have a high turn-over rate. And until there's some evidence that Swift was actively recruiting illegals I'm not willing to condemn them for it.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I suppose that a background check would have found this. It's a touchy point of the law as there are regulations out there that if their ID looks reasonable you can't question them.

    But I guess verifying that they are is a valid business reason to research them.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    Not Swift specifically, but this article definitely claims that meatpackers and agribusiness are recruiting outside the United States, and provides studies to back it up.
    http://www.jsri.msu.edu/RandS/research/wps/wp59.p…

    I think the INS would be foolish not to look for such links in this case.

    You're right about the cost, but let's face facts; escaping one INS raid or workplace violence event pays for those background checks pretty quickly, I'd think.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I would imagine a $100 spent on a person that you're going to pay $20K a year or more OR might steal twice that is money well spent.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I suppose that a background check would have found this

    Absolutely. The first thing you do with a pre-employment check (after getting the employee to sign off on authorization) is to run their SSN to get an address history. That address history is going to come up with a name associated with the SSN. If it is someone else's name, there's a problem.

    Once that puts a red flag up, you can notify the employer and dig deeper. A pretty painless and simple process, really.

    But I guess verifying that they are is a valid business reason to research them.

    That's one of our selling points when we approach a company about backgrounds.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You're right about the cost, but let's face facts; escaping one INS raid or workplace violence event pays for those background checks pretty quickly, I'd think.

    Not all businesses are that forward-thinking, unfortunately.

    I would imagine a $100 spent on a person that you're going to pay $20K a year or more OR might steal twice that is money well spent.

    They don't look at it that way, though. They think "We hire 100 new people a month due to turnover/growth, so that's an extra $10,000/month we have to pay."

    All these HR people think they can't ever be fooled during the hiring process. They think they don't need the checks. Some of them learn when it backfires on them.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I thought this was a Blog, not a sales tool for Port Investigations. ;)

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Was I supposed to post your business phone number along with a price list there?

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union (UFCW) is seeking an immediate injunction in federal court, today, on behalf of workers employed by Swift and Company packing operations in Texas, Colorado, Iowa, Nebraska and Minnesota.

    The workers were subjected to a wholesale round up, including detention, by Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents.

    What does this union think the Federal Court is going to tell ICE to stop doing what they are supposed to do, it's their job. What part of you stole someone's identity to work in a factory illegally. Identity theft is a serious crime. More Madness.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Goon, sounds like we are on the same team!

  • mechupus

    This is so much fun let's go after the Jews, Japanese next. Then Big companies can go to China and see how cheap they can find workers for.

  • 2Hotel9

    Are Jews and Japanese illegally in this country, using stolen identities to get jobs and government entitlements?

  • robert108

    Of course, if the Border Patrol was doing its job, very little would be necessary in terms of document checking and the like. An employer could be confident that anyone showing up for employment was here legally. Duh.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Goon, sounds like we are on the same team!

    Very much so.

    Of course, if the Border Patrol was doing its job, very little would be necessary in terms of document checking and the like. An employer could be confident that anyone showing up for employment was here legally. Duh.

    If you knew who swamped the BP was you wouldn't be making that statement. They are undermaned and out guned. ICE's job is to take care of the interior.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Are Jews and Japanese illegally in this country, using stolen identities to get jobs and government entitlements?

    No they are not they came here legally, they went through the process. That is what is the point is. If your here legally you have a right to be here.

  • robert108

    If you knew who swamped the BP was you wouldn't be making that statement.

    Au contraire! I know how swamped they are, because they don't have the money or the directive to do their job. It stands to reason that money spent there would be less than it costs us to do it after the fact, plus all the cost of having the illegals here until they are caught. Once again, duh! Either way, it's going to cost us, so why not get the most bang for our buck, and spend it on border enforcement.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    It's gotta be damned tough for the border patrol to do their job when they get crapped on for doing it.

  • robert108

    TW: That is true, but we did our part: We paid our taxes, now it's time for the govt to do the job we paid them to do. It's not the time for excuses. If you don't pay your taxes, do you think they will settle for an excuse? Tell them how hard it is to pay them; it doesn't matter. I'm just asking them to be held to the same standard as we are.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Au contraire! I know how swamped they are, because they don't have the money or the directive to do their job. It stands to reason that money spent there would be less than it costs us to do it after the fact, plus all the cost of having the illegals here until they are caught. Once again, duh! Either way, it's going to cost us, so why not get the most bang for our buck, and spend it on border enforcement.

    Robert I agree 100 percent with that statement. I wonder how much funding border enforcement will get with the dems in charge? American are concerned about this subject, lets see if our leaders are.

  • robert108

    goon: I hope they do; I don't have a political dog in this fight; it is the govt's job to defend our borders and to prevent illegal invasion of our country, period. Every administration for the past forty years has fallen down on the job, so both political parties are at fault here.

  • 2Hotel9

    So, lets get this back on topic. Union leaders are supporting criminals, giving them protection from law enforcement. That entails breaking multiple Federal and State laws. Time to raid their offices and arrest these criminals also.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    On a side not Chicago Illinois is going to give illegal aliens benifits. Boy nothing like giving tax payers money away to people in this country illegally.

  • curt womak

    Hey look – I don't blame Juan for wanting to come to the USA and work, I blame my government for allowing him to come here. However, I want Juan to get the hell out, and if he won't go, then I really couldn't give a damn what happenes to him. Illegal aliens are criminals as evidenced by the fact that they are here "illegally." No amnesty – they must go back one way or another.

  • M Meza

    One of the biggest secrets the mainstream Jewish media is hiding from Americans is that the vast majority of Hispanic Americans do NOT want illegalk Mexicans or anyone else to be given amnesty. It's a no-brainer really – Hispanics will be the first ones displaced from blue collar jobs by illegal aliens. Say no to "comprehensive immigration reform."

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    Lads & lassies, I had a thought last night. Given that these guys were caught because they'd "borrowed" someone else's identity, perhaps the best thing we all can do to stop illegal immigration is to order a copy of our credit reports and see if there is anything interesting. If credit is issued that we haven't asked for, or if there is employment we haven't done, we simply contact the credit issuer/employer and ask them to terminate that credit/employment agreement. We can also provide that information to the INS.

    Hey, if they're overworked, there's nothing like a bit of help from fellow citizens, right?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Good idea, Robert. You should post that in the reader blogs. Good advice.

    I'd point out that Americans can't get one free copy of their credit report every year from the reporting agencies. I'd check mine out yearly, and I think that's a reasonable schedule for review for most citizens.

  • robert108

    Robert: Great idea, as long as we get paid for doing their work.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    There is nothing wrong with asking citizens to be vigilant, Robert. That the government has fallen down on its job to secure the borders is beside the point.

    As citizens, we can all do what we can to help. Plus, reviewing your credit report annually just makes sense anyway.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, R*108, no? Never mind that if the price of illegal immigration is hundreds of billions of dollars in welfare, education, medical care, incarceration, and so on, then helping to send an illegal or too back home will pay rather handsomely.

    Rob, you did mean to say that most states DO allow one report per year, right?

  • robert108

    Rob/Robert: Two things; I'm pissed off at a govt that continues to confiscate my money while not doing their job of protecting the border, and I want them to do their job. I do exactly what you propose, Robert, and I get a monthly credit report for exactly that reason. That doesn't change the fact that the govt is ripping me off in the area of border enforcement, and that is wrong.
    Plus, do you really think that the INS will do anything about your complaint? It will be up to you, most likely, to do the work they should have done in the first place. Don't even think that I don't care about this issue!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Ok, I'm wondering what happens WHEN you get your credit report and find out that someone else is using your SS number.

    You report it to the cops. Well the local guys won't have jurisdiction as the other party is likely in another state.

    So I report it to the FBI? INS?

    I think it will get put on the ignore pile.

    Frankly the latest raid is a piece of low hanging fruit. I'm glad they did it but I still wonder if they are going to do much more than this.

  • 2Hotel9

    What happens then? You get the privilege of spending hundereds of thousands of dollars and years of your life proving it happened and you did not commit those crimes.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    When some people (probably not illegals) got hold of my credit, what I did was call all of the credit providers and inform them first of all that you're not the one who asked for it. It takes a signed letter to eliminate your liability, that's all–but if you're lying, of course, they can come after you.

    I'll grant R*108's point that it's infuriating for government to waste our money and not even do their job. He's also correct to note that most of the time, it won't do much good.

    That said, however, every once in a while, an employer or landlord is going to fire/evict someone who came to them with false information. Every once in a while, a lender is going to terminate lending to someone who lied to get credit. This creates the paper trail that is needed to make it easy for INS to evict someone from the country.

    And again, it doesn't do a bit of good if they won't do their job, but it is a start.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    goon: I hope they do; I don't have a political dog in this fight; it is the govt's job to defend our borders and to prevent illegal invasion of our country, period. Every administration for the past forty years has fallen down on the job, so both political parties are at fault here.

    A lot of our leaders have let us down. Big time.
    Bush is one of the biggest offenders in this area.

    Rob/Robert: Two things; I'm pissed off at a govt that continues to confiscate my money while not doing their job of protecting the border, snip— That doesn't change the fact that the govt is ripping me off in the area of border enforcement, and that is wrong.
    Plus, do you really think that the INS will do anything about your complaint? It will be up to you, most likely, to do the work they should have done in the first place. Don't even think that I don't care about this issue!

    I agree we are being ripped off and it isn't going to get any better under the next congretional leadership.

    So, lets get this back on topic. Union leaders are supporting criminals, giving them protection from law enforcement. That entails breaking multiple Federal and State laws. Time to raid their offices and arrest these criminals also.

    I don't get this, obvious crimes have been committed the government needs to prosecute people and start deportations.

  • robert108

    Bush is one of the biggest offenders in this area.

    This is just wrong; I'm no fan of the President in this area, but the Dems have been much worse, and it will really get bad with the Dem congress. They want the ignorant socialist voters and union members. It's a double whammy.

  • Dawn

    INS was doing the job the taxpayers pay them to do, finally!
    Many of those people were here working illegally, along with many having stolen ID's. How dare lauritsen act as though the tax payers are as ignorant as he is. If they are here illegally they are committing a crime and should be arrested whether they have nursing babies or not, same as you or I would be treated if we were committing a crime. What a pig to suggest that these people should be treated better than every other criminal. How dare he throw the racist card at the INS for pulling not questioning people with blonde hair blue eyes. Statistically speaking there are not many blond hair blue eyed illegal Mexican aliens. Is Lauritsen not bright enough to figure that out by himself. The man is a traitor to his country (repulsed that the INS is doing their job) and to the hard working American union men and woman he claims to represent, that have watched their wages and jobs dwindle away.
    It's over for the American worker and his family when the unions fight for the rights of the illegal's taking their jobs. Lauritsen and the meat packers union he is a part of should offer up their jobs to the illegal's for 9 bucks an hour.

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