Yeah, clearly this is Obama’s fault.

When you attack the private sector, where all wealth is created, when you create massive debt obligations far into the future, thus killing long term investment, and when you spend huge quantities of taxpayer money on paying off your union buddies and political contributors, and when you obstruct the production of domestic energy resources, you just might cause bad economic times and high unemployment, with no end in sight.
Duh.

Interesting that the decrease in unemployment from mid 2003 when the Bush tax rate cuts took effect, as shown by the graph, matches exactly with the increase in GDP growth and the reduction in the federal deficit during the same period of time.

If Obama actually knew what he was doing, and was actually serious about cutting unemployment, he would call for a 50% cut in the capital gains tax rate, and index cap gains for inflation. GDP growth would move into positive territory in less than 6 months, and unemployment would drop by half in less than a year

Hows that hope & Change working out for you piece of shit Obama sheep?

It is time to bring back the “MISERY INDEX”.

Here in Wichita, I don’t know the percentage, but Cessna just announced 1300 more cuts. 800 of those got their letters yesterday at the close of business. So far Cessna has laid off 8200 workers. That is just one company. The cuts are here and in Independence,KS where the single engine aircraft and the Citation Mustang are assembled. I got it at Hawker Beechcraft on 26 February. I came back to aircraft after having had a road job with a railroad contractor for four years. I took that job when Bombardier-Learjet laid me off in February of 2004. By the end of this year Hawker Beechcraft will have let go of 2600 workers in all levels, the bulk of them here. Bombardier is unloading 850 here in Wichita alone.
According to the local outlets, about 10000 aircraft workers are now out of jobs in Kansas, with most here in Wichita.
As for the suppliers, my daughter got laid off at an aircraft cabinet and furniture company here in town. My son-in-law still has his job there. But for how long. At least it is not a union company and cuts are based on performance and not seniority.
Just something to think about.

All Bush and Greenspan did was inflate an $8 trillion housing bubble, which then burst, throwing the economy into despair and recession

You are such a partisan idiot, vert. Your propaganda doesn’t work here. We know all about the community reinvestment act and how the democrats like Barney Franks used it to buy votes and fucked the world’s economy.

The vast majority of the country believes that Obama inherited this mess from GW Bush. And the vast majority of the public is more than willing to give Obama time get our house back in order after Bush trashed it.

So it is also bush’s fault that he surpased that debt by X4?

yes.

until people wake up to the fact barry voted for everything in the last two years that got us here and that the libs have been running this place for almost three years it wont change.

You didn’t answer my question.

Looking over you post again and you more recent one, your objection to libertarians has nothing to do with them promoting a welfare state at the expense of business. Well, that’s all fine and dandy until you lump them in with liberals who do.

In you latest post you do list three issues where libertarians align closer to liberals then conservatives. But, what I asked for are names of libertarians who want to tax business to promote welfare.

Basically, you made a series of arguments against liberalism, (the first economic, the second nebulous generalizations) and then go on to either lump libertarians in with them or replace the liberal moniker altogether.

how can they wreck a country so quickly?

suitepotato, you were going strong there until you veered off into some tirade about libertarians (I guess this has something to do with the whole legalize pot discussion a few topics back).

On topic, can you name for me some libertarians who are avid supporters of taxing businesses to promote welfare and entitlements?

Yeah, clearly this is Obama’s fault. How could the mass unemployment be Bush’s fault? All Bush and Greenspan did was inflate an $8 trillion housing bubble, which then burst, throwing the economy into despair and recession.

But Obama is a Democrat so clearly he is to blame (along with Clinton and Carter).

Is that the Hope and Change the dim-witted voted for?

The dimwits are still waiting for Obama to send them a check … You can’t fix stupid.

Twenty years from now the supporters of Obama will still be blaming Bush.

LOL! Good point.

Fatalerror94:

On topic, can you name for me some libertarians who are avid supporters of taxing businesses to promote welfare and entitlements?

Go back and reread.

me:

In the name of feeling superior, like the ultimate in limited government and righteous defenders of liberty, willing to see society turn a blind eye to things that they know damn well will contribute to the continuing spiral down into hell.

Uncontrolled surrender to feeling without thinking is what liberals and libertarians use to seduce people to seduce themselves to giving in to what they know they aren’t ready for and can’t handle and won’t stand up to with the hard work and honor that are demanded of them by the tough times that result.

If you’ve been paying attention to this blog, then you know that Rob and some others want to A)legalize pot, B)eliminate age of consent for alcohol consumption, C)change the definition of marriage to include gay temporary relationships.

When faced with entirely logical arguments against, the refutations boil down to emotional evasion and misdirection with lines regarding fascism, totalitarianism, and nanny-staters while positing themselves as the true defenders of liberty WITHOUT defining what is actually workable liberty with respect to human society and psychology.

This is no different than anyone who provides argument against liberalism. The reply is evasion and misdirection, name calling, haughty self fluffing.

The same people who can see that liberalism is wrong cannot see that what they favor is equally fraught with Achilles’ heels long into the future because what they want is ultimately incompatible with human nature. They only see what they want right now and the future be damned. All that matters is feeling good.

For libertarians it’s hollow and worthless self assumed victories in one sided arguments they didn’t actually argue in, just posture emotionally with non sequitur phrases that are left to imposition and implication but without reasoning. The damage is that society continues to say superficially that things formerly held as moral and ethical transgressions are alright with them even as they cannot overturn the conscience of their natures and force themselves to face and resist ever increasing outrage and frustration at same thus depleting their patience and composure which in any human is a finite resource.

For liberalism it’s hollow and worthless contests to get their way because they are so fearful and insecure that nothing short of being in charge, of influence, ever makes them feel like happiness, and they must have it at all costs. The damage is that their ideas are not based on firm intellectual belief much less thought out with respect to an outcome of value to others, but only about getting their way whatever it is and so they can do nothing positive in the world as all they do is inherently without regard to the world other than to maintain their transitory feeling of security.

Both groups build for themselves superficial frameworks of beliefs, but they both in the end are based on wanting to get their way, wanting to feel right and not be right, wanting to feel good for another minute, and all that is the guiding light of their lives. All other things are of no consequence.

Their thinking makes up the majority of modern western civilization at this time and you can see the damage. Simple fascists called Islamic Supremacists whose mentality is out of the seventh century CE are running amok poisoning the minds of Muslims across multiple continents. Socialists and communists whose ways and records were thoroughly self discrediting are rebuilding their influence. Peoples of nations who once aspired to representative democracy winning the day are in full retreat. The world economy is in shambles. The whole of the world is on the edge of stabbing itself everywhere it hasn’t already and possibly reopening all the old wounds.

All because being happy even when you don’t know what that is or what would create it has become the overriding imperative. Not selflessness, not duty, not obligation, not the happiness of others, not the safety of others, not the wellbeing and stability of society and humankind, not anything but feeling that little endorphin rush.

The right things very rarely feel right and the ones that feel right are usually the wrong ones and you should never mistake feeling right for being right because you’ll keep doing whatever feels right no matter how wrong it is until everything turns to shit.

Like our national political structure, our tax system, our economy, our social fabric and all the rest are currently doing.

What is needed for employment? Companies with money.

What does Obama do? Suck the money out of companies.

What happens? Certainly not employment.

It is as simple as that. I’ve never worked for a poor person. Sack the businesses and the wealthy who invest and you sack the companies they invest in and do business with, and thus sack the jobs and pay right out from under the workers. Sack their pay, they pay nothing in taxes and can afford to buy nothing. If they buy nothing those they buy from can produce no business to show investors and lenders. If they can get no investment or loans, they can do no business. They do not buy products. Those who make the products have no business and so they go out of business.

How hard is it to understand this?

As I’ve said before, we budget an average of roughly $20,000 per year per person of either gender and whatever age from infant to codger and that means a welfare family of four should be worth $80,000 but they receive $20,000 if they are lucky in housing, medical and food stamps. The other $60,000 or roughly three quarters goes to an overburden of people who hand out the welfare checks, manage people who hand out the welfare checks, and people who clean the floors of those buildings.

Instead of those people working the private sector like the vast majority, they enjoy a taxpayer funded upper middle class welfare program called government employment.

At the same time we leave the poor to stay there.

Just so liberals can pat themselves on the back.

All the crap they do to our country, to their fellow Americans, they do to make themselves feel good. That includes leaving poor minority neighborhoods effectively to the rule of street creeps where the residents are under siege and hostage in their homes, that includes the poor who stay poor, the old whose families don’t have the money left to take care of them, the list goes on and on.

They’re scum. Pure and simple, scum.

Exactly why I despise what neolibertarianism does to otherwise able thinkers. In the name of feeling superior, like the ultimate in limited government and righteous defenders of liberty, willing to see society turn a blind eye to things that they know damn well will contribute to the continuing spiral down into hell.

Uncontrolled surrender to feeling without thinking is what liberals and libertarians use to seduce people to seduce themselves to giving in to what they know they aren’t ready for and can’t handle and won’t stand up to with the hard work and honor that are demanded of them by the tough times that result.

All it ever does is get worse.

All this suffering because people want to feel good about themselves so much they’ve stopped caring about what happens to the rest of the world.

Get over yourselves people. Get some control of yourselves before the next big thing comes along to get you acting stupid and indifferent and you get worse than Obama.