UN And Hezbollah: So Happy Together

• July 27, 2006

…”Inside the Asylum,” is a picture of a U.N. outpost on that border. The U.N. flag and the Hezbollah flag fly side by side. Observers told me the U.N. and Hezbollah personnel share water and telephones, and that the U.N. presence serves as a shield against Israeli strikes against the terrorists.

Here’s the picture:

Meanwhile, terror apologists gnash their teeth over Israel’s “murder” of UN observers. I mean, it’s not like the UN should maybe avoid deploying right next to the enemy or anything.
Why anyone thinks deploying international UN troops to Lebanon is going to solve any of the problems that started this conflict is beyond me. Hezbollah is a terror group. They aggressively target Israeli military and civilian targets for attacks. Their stated purpose for existing is to end the existence of Israel, and when they started these most recent hostilities by kidnapping two Israeli soldiers and then launching rocket attacks on northern Israeli civilian populations the Israeli Defense Forces occupied not one square inch of either Gaza or Lebanon.
If we send in international troops all those troops are going to do is defend Hezbollah from what they have coming to them from the Israelis. It is exactly what has happened time and again in the past. Some extremist Islamic group provokes Israel, Israel responds and then the UN steps in on the side of the extremists.
It’s high time the extremists suffered the consequences that go along with their provocations.

Tags: International Scene

http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

If there isn’t a commitment from both sides of a dispute then there’s not much that a third party can do short of stepping in and trying to keep things calm or stepping in and making the two sides agree. UNIFIL is only able to follow the first course so there you go. I’ve had friends serving in Bosnia and Cyprus and they believe that they’ve performed useful roles in both spots.

I would say if either party does not want peace that there’s nothing for them to do to create a peace.

On the other hand if the parties have agreed to a cease fire it’s likely that a third party could help keep the peace.

Bosnia would be a great example. Prior to the Natoe (Dan Qwayle) air war the UN was worse than useless. After the Natoe campaign they’ve been ok.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

TW is it reason to attack to land and kill people. I’m Iranian and some years ego Afghanestan was part of Iran Is it reson for me to attack there?

I was merely pointing out that it is no excuse for Hezbollah or the palestians to attack Israel.
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

The left is starting to really come out and make themselves clear that they are our enemy as well.

Liberals and Hezbollah on the same side…how sad. And typical. The side of death and darkness.
TwoHotel9

saba, the jews have kicked the living shit out of every Arab League army that has come against them. Get over it.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

Saba, actually the Jews lived in Israel for hundreds of years before Mohammed was born. Facts are tough things to get around.
saba

It’s not correct. lubnan and palestine people want to live freely without militari forc limit them. but Israel harm people that live in our land and kill their children and women and distroy their shoping and economy to dominate on their land hamas and Hezbollah is natural reaction of them.

they arn’t trorist. they want to live freely.

but Israel:

evryone plant wind reap storm
MikeAdamson

TW…I don’t think that missions such as UNIFIL are a waste of time but I do agree that such operations aren’t designed to run indefintely and that this one had pretty much outlived its usefulness. If there isn’t a commitment from both sides of a dispute then there’s not much that a third party can do short of stepping in and trying to keep things calm or stepping in and making the two sides agree. UNIFIL is only able to follow the first course so there you go. I’ve had friends serving in Bosnia and Cyprus and they believe that they’ve performed useful roles in both spots.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

if Israel’s response wasn’t so massive then they wouldn’t be dying either

Israel is attempting to take away Hezbollah’s abiblity to resume those attacks. I think they’re doing the right thing. I feel bad for the civilians, but I also feel sorry for the Israelies who have been killed by Hezbollah without provocation.

I blame Hezbollah, Syria and Iran.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

Not Muslims.
saba

all of other
historical fact suggested that Jews for short time living in that land in their holy book we read about their emigration from egypt
I don’t know why Israel kill people that live in their land and their suporter thel them trorist.
Israel kill “shaikh yasin” with 90 years old with excuse trorism
actually Israel regim is trorist that kill littel girl and boy in all over with valn reson
MikeAdamson

TW…there’s lots of tinfoil to go around so stop pushing. I doubt that the UN observers were allowed to do anything other than observe…UN missions of this type have always been too restrictive IMO.
MikeAdamson

It’s almost like they were trying to set up this scenerio so they could blame the Israelis.

Please pass the tinfoil. I agree that they should have pulled out…not much peace to observe.
TwoHotel9

DD, just which translation software did you use to figure out what that idiot said?
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

.UN missions of this type have always been too restrictive IMO.

I think missions of that type are useless. What are they supposed to do? Are they going to join the fighting?
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

why did the UN leave it’s people in harms way during an active war?

And then again, why has Hezbollah randomnly shot missiles into Israeli cities.

And that brings up the terrorists supported by the Palestinian leadership homicide bombing civilians, even fellow palestinians.

Weird.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

Please pass the tinfoil.

I was hoping to borrow some from you.
MikeAdamson

Rob said

Why anyone thinks deploying international UN troops to Lebanon is going to solve any of the problems that started this conflict is beyond me.

I haven’t seen any proposals for a UN force but rather a multinational one led perhaps by NATO…of course why any nation would send troops to risk being bombed is beyond me.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

I haven’t seen any proposals for a UN force but rather a multinational one led perhaps by NATO…of course why any nation would send troops to risk being bombed is beyond me.

What would be the mission besides to protect Hezbollah and give them time to regroup. Why would we put troops in there to fight the Israeli’s.

The UN troops did nothing to stop the Hezzies from attacking Israel.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

Nobody disputes the right of Israel to respond to the Hez aggression but its hard for people like me to watch the destruction of Lebanon without expressing concern. A cease fire is needed to save the lives of innocent Lebanese since

Mike the problem is that Hezbollah is using Lebanese communities as operating basis. The blame for casualties in tha case lies with those that are using civilians as human shields.

A cease fire will allow the Hezzies to build themselves up for the next round.

clearly the Israeli operation is not going to be quick and easy.

Did you expect that it would?
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

. When the Allies bombed Germany, they killed Germans and when America nuked Japan, they killed Japanese…a different scenario is playing out in Lebanon because Israel’s enemy is not a country but a faction in a country

That doesn’t make it because not every German was a Nazi.

Certainly not every Japanese in Hiroshima wished to bomb Pearl Harbor.
saba

In ghana tragedy Israel kill meany people that resort to headquarters of UN whith excuse of suporting trorist.
in text of above we see hezbollah flag is against of them but we don’t know is realy UN force help hezballah or no?
second point is that UN headquarters is in “sur” but battel is in “maronraas” and “bentjobeil”.
UN force can’t efect in battel. so why Israel bombing UN headquarters and kill 4 african soldiers
MikeAdamson

dd…what arms would you suggest the UN provide its observers in the event such an incident happens again? It’s valid to question why they would remain at their post but you’re stretching when you blame the UN for the deaths. If you start blaming street crime on poverty then I’m out of here.
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

MikeAdamson remarks, lik…interesting viewpoint as usual.

I’m right though. The UN and the “world community” advocate for perpetual stalemates where nothing is ever solved and the problem just stays around and lingers. Look at North Korea for an easy example. Who won there? Nobody. Is it still a problem 50+ years after the “cease fire”? Yes. Is there a solution on the table or even in sight? No.
MikeAdamson

lik…interesting viewpoint as usual. Nobody disputes the right of Israel to respond to the Hez aggression but its hard for people like me to watch the destruction of Lebanon without expressing concern. A cease fire is needed to save the lives of innocent Lebanese since clearly the Israeli operation is not going to be quick and easy.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

TW…observers observe, fighters fight.

So what are they going to accomplish either way. Assuming that one party in this war wants to fight they aren’t going to do any good.
MikeAdamson

lik realises

Innocent people shouldn’t die. – No shit! I sometimes wonder why you keep on repeating the obvious.

Because you didn’t seem to be getting it.
saba

actually the Jews lived in Israel for hundreds of years before Mohammed was born. Facts are tough things to get around.

TW before of them who live there?
TwoHotel9

You know me, Toot, subtle and tactful, all in one suave, debonair package.
saba

Not Muslims.

TW is it reason to attack to land and kill people.
I’m Iranian and some years ego Afghanestan was part of Iran Is it reson for me to attack there?
saba

All other I’m not be here for take part in discussion for any time. but beg you to see this pic
saba

It’s not correct. lubnan and palestine people want to live freely without militari forc limit them. but Israel harm people that live in our land and kill their children and women and distroy their shoping and economy to dominate on their land hamas and Hezbollah is natural reaction of them.

evryone plant wind reap storm
MikeAdamson

TW

Mike the problem is that Hezbollah is using Lebanese communities as operating basis.

I understand that and agree that it’s a difficult problem.

The blame for casualties in tha case lies with those that are using civilians as human shields.

This is true insofar as the Lebanese civilians wouldn’t be dying if Hez wasn’t in Lebanon but then if Israel’s response wasn’t so massive then they wouldn’t be dying either. Unless you subscribe to the belief that it’s the fault of the Lebanese people that Hez is attacking Israel then it’s tough to justify.

Did you expect that it would?

They’ve done quick work before so I was hopeful at the beginning.
http://thumbsnap.com/v/vBufwX93 saba

All other I’m not be here for take part in discussion for any time. but beg you to see this pic
http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=358870 http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=358909 http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=358905
http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=358898
http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=358490
http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=358481
http://www.farsnews.ir/imgrep.php?nn=8505030586
saba

DD, Where they buy in 1947 war or “war in 6 day with arab army”
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

The UN and the “world community” wants a “cease-fire” (only applies to Israel) so that everything is “peaceful” just like it is on the Korea border. You know,..the place with the most heavily landmined border in the world with a dictator to the north of this “peaceful” solution that is threatening it’s free neighbors.

The liberal definition of “peace” = perpetual war with no solution or end in sight.
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

MikeAdamson said, Because you didn’t seem to be getting it.

No Mike, I get it. I just won’t take your position of not ever doing anything ever because innocents can and will get caught up.

This has already been explained to you. That you don’t yet get it,…well,…says a lot about you. So please, enough with the projection.
TwoHotel9

Oohh! Your psychic. Now I understand!
http://thumbsnap.com/v/vBufwX93.jpg saba

evry body

let me to see this problemes in other viw all of you don’t see war and don’t see bombing.

but I live in that condition. when ‘sadam’ attach to my contry.

Mecky I ask you to think were be human rice when Sadam bombing us with chmical bomb. I live 8 years in that condition and learned to get that is my rice.

It’s spirit of all conveyance and law.

people of palestin and other place want to live freely. why we don’t agree

remember that when you dislike nation actually they will dislike your nation. I’m not arab but talking similar to you about them is belittle of them and plant seed of disgust bitween them
MikeAdamson

Now, hop right in and deny you are taking the position which you regularly take, please, we never get tired of that lying assed, self-delusional shit.

and I never get tired of your sharp analytical skills and clever vocabulary.
TwoHotel9

Then Hizzbullah should stop targeting civilians, why are you so fucking stupid you can not accept that single, simple point? Hizzbullah murders civilians AS THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE!!!!!! What the fuck is wrong with you, that you cannot figure that out. Fucking moron.
http://sayanythingblog.com/2006/07/26/un_and_hezbollah_so_happy_together/ Cymric

According to Security Council resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, UNIFIL was established to:

Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon;
Restore international peace and security;
Assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area.
Most recently the mandate of UNIFIL was extended until 31 July 2006 by Security Council resolution 1655 (2006) of 31 January 2006.

The U.N. has been there 28 years, over 260 U.N. troops have died there up till 2005. Israel pulls out of Lebanon and get missle attacks both times, and is reason they went in to start with. Same as Gaza, hezbollah is not supported by an arab organization but by Iran persians, who could care less how many die.

So what has been occuplished in all these years since the census of 38 performed by Turkey showing a few more palistines the jews. Yes it is true jordan was also called palistine at the time. So till people in gaza and lebanon learn to stand on their own, and not let others live among them and kill jews when they want they will never know peace.
MikeAdamson

TH9

Then Hizzbullah should stop targeting civilians, why are you so fucking stupid you can not accept that single, simple point? Hizzbullah murders civilians AS THEIR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE!!!!!! What the fuck is wrong with you, that you cannot figure that out. Fucking moron.

There’s the spunky fella! I agree that Hez must stop targeting civilians btw.
MikeAdamson

cya
MikeAdamson

lik…you clearly don’t get it since you’re, as you like to say, projecting your either/or black/white way of thinking on me. I say I don’t approve of Israel’s response and you conclude that I don’t think that Israel has any right to respond. I say I don’t like the scale of the death and destruction in Lebanon and you say that I refuse to approve any action which involves the loss of life. You think that diplomacy has not worked before without giving any thought to why diplomacy has essentially failed in the past and what must be done to make it work. Diplomacy is a method BTW and one should be considering the content of diplomacy before rendering a judgement.

I actually do appreciate your efforts to make me see your point but I’m just not going to buy it just as you’re not going to buy mine.
MikeAdamson

like and Rob…you may be right insofar as dramatic changes often do need violence to give things a push…violence being the midwife of history and all that. I was encouraged when Hamas and Hez competed electorally and I haven’t yet given up hope that the region can eventually settle down although recent events have certainly dampened my enthusiasm.

Many of the old Communist regimes were brought down with limited bloodshed, recognising of course that the Eastern bloc and the Middle east are definitely not the same but it does show that meaningful change can occur without a conflagration occurring. None of this negates the idea though that the innocent Lebanese civilians should not be paying for Hez sins.
Bat One

There appears to be a lot of talk about a cease fire between Israel and Hezbollah.

I must have missed the part where the Hezbollah leadership announced that they were interested in a cease fire, or that they would willingly abid by one if it were imposed.

It seems I also missed the part where it was explained how this is to be implemented, and by whom, and who is going to guarantee Israel’s security… this time.
saba

I’m relly sorry.

We don’t receive to small common point because you don’t like to see this problem in aspect of meddel east people and this cause that war judge between us.
All of you talk about children that be injured with HEZ misile but you don’t want to tink about lebanese children.
In this war kill 66 Israilian and 600 Lebanese civilans man and woman and children but in Lebanon 150 children under 8 year be killed that you don’t like to think about them all of them have father and brother that want to take vengeance. in this condition you talk about annihilate.

MikeAdamson Hamas and HEZ don’t fight for Honourable that when recive to that forget reason of war we must perceive why they accept to kill him with other.
TwoHotel9

You see, Mike, your position is that street crime is caused by poverty. And you, and the UN, will continue to deny that is your position. Circular argument that allows terrorists to continue murdering their own children and women, as well as others. Now, hop right in and deny you are taking the position which you regularly take, please, we never get tired of that lying assed, self-delusional shit.
TwoHotel9

And yet you can not deny your repeatedly stated position. Your done, goodbye.
MikeAdamson

TW…observers observe, fighters fight.
MikeAdamson

rob…I could agree with you except that the destruction and upheaval in Lebanon are affecting people who supported Israel against Hez. When the Allies bombed Germany, they killed Germans and when America nuked Japan, they killed Japanese…a different scenario is playing out in Lebanon because Israel’s enemy is not a country but a faction in a country. I agree that the Lebanese government should have exercised its authority in its own state but I’m sure that you’ll agree that it’s a bit more complicated than that.

I also appreciate your comments.
saba

why did the UN leave it’s people in harms way during an active war?

In which war which country kill nurse and UN force?

Anan must belive that Israel Isn’t reliable very past.
hezbollah not shet misiles randomnly The Israel goverment know it.
hezbollah can shot their misiles to chimical factory in hifa and kill very sinless people but they not do it….
Mickey

“their land” ???

Jews occupied “that land” a couple thousand years before the arab squatters we given refuge on it.

Saba, isn’t “their land” actually somewhere in Jordan?
Mickey

Saba,
The world would be a safer place without arab muslims. period.

We are stuck with you. You should start behaving civil and join the human race.
http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

MikeAdamson said, None of this negates the idea though that the innocent Lebanese civilians should not be paying for Hez sins.

Innocent people shouldn’t die. – No shit!

I sometimes wonder why you keep on repeating the obvious.
http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

2H9: Do you want to tell us what you really think about it?
http://sayanythingblog.com robport

Mike, I see that you’re taking the “disproportionate response” angle.

I wonder if more lives aren’t lost, in the long run, when response is proportionate. If Israel backs down and fails to flatten Hezbollah how many more lives will be lost in suicide bombings and future hostilities?

The difference between proporionate response and disproportionate response seems to be the difference between getting something over with and dragging it out.

It hurts longer when you peel a bandaid off slowly rather than ripping it off.
http://sayanythingblog.com robport

Mike,

you may be right insofar as dramatic changes often do need violence to give things a push…violence being the midwife of history and all that. I was encouraged when Hamas and Hez competed electorally and I haven’t yet given up hope that the region can eventually settle down although recent events have certainly dampened my enthusiasm.

Given the number of times diplomacy has been tried in the middle east, and the number of times that diplomacy has failed because the Islamic extremists who are harbored in Lebanon and Syria and Gaza, etc. can’t stop trying to push the Jews into the sea, I think it’s time we stopped trying to make nice and started holding these people accountable for their actions.

None of this negates the idea though that the innocent Lebanese civilians should not be paying for Hez sins.

Just how innocent are the Lebanese? I don’t like seeing women and children die any more than you do, but their government is responsible for doing nothing to expell Hezbollah from its borders.

If there were an anti-Candidan terror group in the U.S. who was firing thousands of rockets at Canadian communities and the U.S. government wasn’t doing anything to stop it…would you not hold our government accountable for that?

I know the Lebanses government is weak, but I don’t see where they’ve even so much as called for Hezbollah’s expulsion or even disarmament.
http://sayanythingblog.com robport

Lik’s got a point. There certainly hasn’t been a lack of diplomacy in the Israeli/Hamas/Hezbollah conflicts. They’ve been talking for years.

At some point Hezbollah et. al. are just going to have to suffer the consequences of their actions. If you ask me, decisive military victory is the only thing that is ever going to end this.

Let Israel get the job done.

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