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The next step that was to be taken after the tribal member who threatened to kill me went to the Human Services Board was to take the tribal member’s complaint to the Tribal Council. I was told that the action they would likely take would be to banish me from the reservation.  Before that action could be taken, on the recommendation of the facility and my company, I left the community.  To this date, I have not been notified if I have been formally banished.  But I have to admit, I certainly feel like I was.

I saw Byron Dorgan on CSpan the other day arguing in favor of the $3B of annual funding in an Indian Healthcare bill.  He said they had been trying to pass this legislation for 10-12 years and that long lines, limited funding, etc prohibited Indians from getting appropriate healthcare.

Arguing another, much more free market solution, I think via an amendment, was Tom Coburn (R-OK).  His amendment provided funding for purchasing health care insurance policies and allowed the Indian Tribes to then go anywhere for their health care, i.e. healthcare equal to that available to every other American.  It also defined the term “Native American” so that people that were 1/5 of 1% Native American but by far majority something else, could not partake in the Native American healthcare services, like they can now.  Such a provision would dramatically reduce the funding needed and some of the long lines Senator Dorgan was so concerned about.

Coburn argued his point very well, after which it went back to Dorgan who said perhaps those ideas would work in Oklahoma but in ND where poor Native Americans would have to drive tens of miles to participate in private healthcare like the other people it would be too difficult.  Poor argument Byron.

To this date, I have not been notified if I have been formally banished.

You probably won’t be formally notified in any way.  I certainly wasn’t.  Were it not for people on the reservation telling me I’d be banished I’d have never known.

Which actually violates the tribe’s own exclusion order law.

Section 39.0110 of their tribal code requires that notice of any banishment hearing be delivered “by personal service, or if such service is not reasonably possible, by registered mail, return receipt requested” to the person to be banned.  I received no such notice.  That section also requires that any banishment hearing be held by an Exclusion Order Board which is appointed by the tribal council.  No such board was convened to my knowledge.  Further, that section requires that the person to be banned be afforded an opportunity to attend the hearing, present evidence and speak on his/her own behalf.  No such opportunity was afforded to me.

If you were formally banished without the above requirements being fulfilled it was done without the due process both their tribal law, and our nation’s constitution, requires.

Not that the constitution supports the idea of “banishment” in the first place, but still.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

They don’t want you there so just accept it and move on.

theydontwantyouthere

You’d do well to follow your own advice.

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Rodney G. Graves
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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

They don’t want you there so just accept it and move on.

Fair enough… just be sure to take the tax moneys too.

The miserable decision making skills demonstrated by the Indian tribes is analogous to those of an adolescent runaway who simply wants out of the house and give not thought to where to sleep or what to eat.

As a weapon, spite is usually far more effective against the person wielding it than against the intended victim.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

It is regrettable that the first nation chose to excercise their sovereignty and banish you, however that inherent right predates any written constitution.  It is among the more visible vestiges of the fact that when you are on Native America you are in a foreign nation whose laws are supreme.

There are at leat two sides to every story, certainly true in one as dramatic as this.  I suggest you might be better off heading back to the parts of the United States that you are comfortable living in.  There are laws in every state, territory, first nation, and member of the commonwealth.  There are many places where the constitution has no power (West Wing, Cheney’s mind, first nation land, etc.).  I would say you were lucky that whatever person who threatened your life didn’t go through with it and you only lost a job.

Good luck.

PS- it is Navajo Nation, not reservation

why dont you just accept the fact that your private vendetta against indian people in the name of justice and free speech is just your own private racism rob??...and if those of you posting comments here say there’s no this or that on reservations ‘we’ should just take our tax dollars back…fine with us…you want your money back? ok, we’ll take all the land back for which the money was paid…that should be the west half of north and south dakota, eastern montana and northeast wyoming….fair trade rob and your fellow minions on this board???

They don’t want you there so just accept it and move on.

Hey, I don’t particularly want to go there any more, but if you’re going to take my tax dollars you’re going to have to put up with me too.

Wanna be sovereign?  Stop taking our tax dollars.

It is among the more visible vestiges of the fact that when you are on Native America you are in a foreign nation whose laws are supreme.

No, it is not a foreign nation.  The Constitution still applies, and none of the Indian reservations will be sovereign until they aren’t dependent on the federal government any more.

why dont you just accept the fact that your private vendetta against indian people in the name of justice and free speech is just your own private racism rob??

Because…it’s not racism but a fair and legitimate concern about the rampant crime, substance abuse, unemployment and poverty on the reservations?

you want your money back? ok, we’ll take all the land back for which the money was paid…that should be the west half of north and south dakota, eastern montana and northeast wyoming….fair trade rob and your fellow minions on this board???

Do you really think your people would be better off in that situation given that tribal leadership can’t even run the reservations adequately now?

And what of the people living on that land now?  The people who had nothing to do with fighting the Indians?  The people who immigrated to this country later and now live on that land?  Are you going to kick all of them off?  And how would that injustice correct the injustice that was originally done to your people?

I think you need to think this through.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

sovereign native opines:

...we’ll take all the land back for which the money was paid…that should be the west half of north and south dakota, eastern montana and northeast wyoming….

Molon Labe

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Rodney G. Graves
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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Hey, I don’t particularly want to go there any more, but if you’re going to take my tax dollars you’re going to have to put up with me too.
Wanna be sovereign?  Stop taking our tax dollars.

Actually, no they don’t.  They get federal dollars based on treaty obligations.  They are sovereign and can exclude you.  Whether they should is a different matter.

Lestat, the money and services we’re giving the tribes far exceeds the obligations laid out in any treaty.

And then there’s the question of whether or not giving them all that is good.  Look at what’s happening on the reservations.  Crime.  Drugs.  Alcohol.  An entire generation of children growing up without the support of parents.

In North Dakota the statewide unemployment hovers around 3%.  On the reservations it is up around 50%.  Why do you think that is?  Is it racial?  Absolutely not.  So what are we left with?

The welfare state on the reservations.

They’d be better off if we abolished the reservations - which were never created to benefit the Indians so much as to get them out of the way of westward expansion - and invite them into our communities.  Finally.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Oh, and by the way, while the tribes may have the power to banish people they should certainly follow their own laws and afford the banishees certain constitutional requirements (the bill of rights still applies on the reservations whether the tribes like it or not) like due process, no?

The tribes aren’t even following their own laws, as I noted above.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Lestat, the money and services we’re giving the tribes far exceeds the obligations laid out in any treaty.

A half a billion dollars was offered in the 1870s for your state.  What is the value of that land today?

I may agree with you about what is in the best interest of the reservations.  But they are sovereign nations, and it is questionable how the Bill of Rights applies.  It is questionalbe about how it applies to the 50 states, it is certainly questionable of how it applies to reservations.

Absolutely Rodney Graves.. Molôn Labé!

The Indian reservations violate their own law, complain like children about the past that existed long before any of us were even born, and then have the nerve to tell us that we should just “accept it”?

Indians are their own worst enemies.

Drink up, dope up, and die young. They’ve earned their lots in life.

It is sooo disheartening how un informed YOU CHOOSE to be, read up on your American Indian Law and Treaties because then at least with a bit of a knowledge base, you wont sound like an unHappy, unEducated, Arrogant angry American idiot. Just a bit of info to steer you in the right direction, American Indian Freedom of Religion, was passed in 1978!!!!!
This act was passed two years before I was born, I am among the first generation of Native peoples to exercise this “right” (thanks!? for giving us - the right to practice our own traditions in our own homelands….) to the fullest extent, also Native peoples have a whole seperate “Bill of Rights” that does not apply to America. Also America’s “Bill of Rights” does not apply to us. This information is out there if you CHOOSE to learn, but probably not?

Also do the math, for the water, timber, soil, crop production, mineral rights, use and occupation of our lands,....all since 1851. Also the BLOOD of our ancestors, literally. So I encourage you dont be upset about living on our land for free, dont be angry about having to see “us” on the street passing by or in the store, because when you look in our eyes, we see the truth, you are walking, living, and occuping OUR land, regardless how you feel, about your tax dollars, this is the truth. We are LandLords and your rent is way overDue, you been sliding by too long, now you feel angry about having to pay your dues…..

They’d be better off if we abolished the reservations - which were never created to benefit the Indians so much as to get them out of the way of westward expansion - and invite them into our communities.  Finally.

“They” - “we” ??

Your words are a refelction of who YOU are, and as if after all this “us-they” talk, we’d want to be invited??!! into YOUR communities????? Why don’t YOU want to come to live with “US”—oh wait, your banished.

Also I would like to encourage you to opt for informed rather than settling for ignorance.

Yellow Lodge, perhaps you can explain why it’s somehow “racism” when Rob blames the welfare state, and not the Ojibwe of Turtle Mountain, for the condition of the Turtle Mountain Ojibwe.  It seems to me that Rob is blaming pasty white folks (like myself) for the situation far more than he did the Ojibwe.

WHEN are people going to wake up to what the indian tribes get away with? They think they can do no wrong because other “non-natives” (as they call it) have NO RECOURSE! The Federal gov’t gives these people MILLIONS—no scratch that—BILLIONS of OUR FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS and the tribes have little accountability, no shame is abusing its non-native employees and then say those people have no recourse because the tribes are “soverign.” I am withholding my name because I have been threatened with my life for what I have seen and witnessed. I know for a fact the Tribes are unethical and abusive the priviledge of Federal tax GIFTS (Money). I am quietly going to tell my story—search “lawsuits” and Indian tribes. Find out how many “white” employees have been mistreated, civil rights and liberties abused -by Tribes—all because our Federal gov’t which protects civil liberties (Title 7 laws) allows these Tribal (so-called tribal governments) to run rampant with fraud and abusive practices. Once the American people who are financially hurting really get wind of the true story, we can collectively start telling the Tribes,...“you want to be soverign? then so-be-it. You are on your own” no more federal subsidies, free-bies, handouts, welfare. You are thankful to practice “your own traditions and ways,” then do so without the aid and help of the federal gov’t. and without the help of “whites” and “non-natives” who administer your organizations and help to run your governments.
It’s time Americans stand together and demand civil rights and protections for “tribal governments” or pull the American funding…

and it is questionable how the Bill of Rights applies

No, it’s not actually.  The Indian Civil Rights Act, 25 U.S.C. § 1302 applies the Constitution’s protections on the reservations, specifically for the sake of our discussion the right to free speech and the right to due process.

It is questionalbe about how it applies to the 50 states, it is certainly questionable of how it applies to reservations.

No, the Bill of Rights does actually apply to every state in the union.

Setting aside Constitutional issues, however, how about the tribe not even follow its own laws as I noted above?  Do they not even have to follow those either, or does the universal “sovereignty” trump card play there as well?

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

To soverign native man, yellow lodge and all the others. Why do you not recognize you ‘natives’ all want it both ways ? You claim soverignty when you want to something unethical, or something not legal in America, or abuse mistreat others, and abuse the civil rights of employees and people who are injured by the Tribe. Yet, you, like other Tribal members claim “rights for indians” and all that when you INSIST the Tribes be given that which you won’t give- the civil liberties, rights and ability for judicial recourse… so, when you walk off-rez onto someone else’s land, slip & Fall, or take a job, you sue in a second (and thereby recognize American judicial law) to demand recourse and payment, yet you (all tribes) refuse to grant the same rights to anyone else. Anyone.

eventually, this imbalance will change. And I will seek to be a large voice for the voiceless, the weak and the weary—that is all those who have been harmed by these Tribes. We will claim back our rights and demand they are provided.

I’m sure your only response will be to claim how awful your ancestors had it. Mine did too. Now is now. Your tribes receive far more dollars and help than most other groups. Time to stand on your own and be “soverign.”

If an Indian came off the “sovereign” land of a reservation onto the “sovereign” land of the United States neither Americans, nor the Indians, would tolerate that person being denied their rights.  Free speech, due process, etc.  And rightfully so.

Yet it seems like many here are more than willing to give the tribes a pass when they deny those rights on the reservations, using the “sovereign” trump card as an excuse.

Wrong is wrong, even if you buy into the idea that the reservations are sovereign.

Though, if they’re sovereign, I wonder why Indians are allowed to vote in our elections and take our tax dollars.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Yellow Lodge said, We are LandLords and your rent is way overDue, you been sliding by too long, now you feel angry about having to pay your dues…..

Sounds like a call to war.

Go ahead and keep talking like that. See where it gets you.

You’re younger than most of us here at this site and you have the nerve to talk as if you have been here long before us. You better check your birth certificate there, skippy. If you want to play the “who was here first” game, you’ll lose.

In the meantime - drink up, dope up, and die young. You’ve earned your lot in life. That’s why you’re so angry about your pathetic lot in life. Most of us don’t spend our time thinking about you like you think about us. We only remember when one of the reservations come into the news for their savage behavior. Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

Something to ponder: Indians were crapping outside before the “white man” showed up. They are still crapping outside. What is “way overDue” again? Indians can’t even wipe their own asses without help.

Wow, you CHOOSE your perspective and your words….And they truly reflect WHO YOU ARE….
there is so much misinformation on this blog, may I remind you - you can choose to be informed rather than ignorant. It is a CHOICE.

Clearly, Yellow Lodge, you aren’t making the right choice.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

In the meantime - drink up, dope up, and die young. You’ve earned your lot in life. That’s why you’re so angry about your pathetic lot in life. Most of us don’t spend our time thinking about you like you think about us. We only remember when one of the reservations come into the news for their savage behavior. Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

Something to ponder: Indians were crapping outside before the “white man” showed up. They are still crapping outside. What is “way overDue” again? Indians can’t even wipe their own asses without help.

Whoa…slow down there lik.

I have come to respect your words and beliefs, but I must say that your comments above can and will be construed as offensive to some Native Americans.

Now I don’t know if that was your intention or not.

However, I will say this about the issue posted.  There are some tribes out there that don’t make the best decisions on issues, no government is perfect.

That doesn’t mean that ALL TRIBES are the same. There are tribes out there that are very accountable with the money supplied by the federal government and do a lot of good for their tribal members who choose to take advantage of it.

Just because TWO tribes have banished non-tribal members, it doesn’t mean that the tribes are out of control and running around wasting tax dollars.

Point taken Creasy.

I should make clear that I was speaking to those individuals who have sacrificed their individuality to the group.

the post (Rob I think?) that said, “Though, if they’re sovereign, I wonder why Indians are allowed to vote in our elections and take our tax dollars.”

As the recession continues to grow, more people will begin to think about the billions of MY TAX Dollars going (being “given to” handed over to”) the tribes and more scrutiny will begin to emerge as how this money is being spent. And… the conversation will begin about their “have it both ways,” perspective. Vote in “our elections”? People will ask, well who are “you” Indians? Are you American citizens with rights to vote? Then you should abide my American laws. Or , are you “sovereign? ” If you want to have your own laws, your own ways, practice your traditions, with money we gave you, then you better wise up and realize the ones who give you your money expect respect for the American traditions too. Americans who fought vigorously in the 60s for Civil rights, Americans who died protecting equal rights FOR YOU as well as all others.

YOUR RIGHTS In OUR AMERICAN LAND are valued ! We care that each of you has the right to apply for a job, the right to sue a landlord who discriminates against you, the right to live according to your traditions.

So explain to me some rationale reason you won’t acknowledge and recognize the same rights you demand on OUR LAND for people who walk on what you call YOUR LAND?

I’m confused… can you explain it?

I doubt it. Since there is no rationale and balanced, reasonable reason for this imbalance, I’ll tell you it will change. It will change! it will. We are in a recession. Most Americans and those residing in America don’t know how much money your Tribes receive. I had no idea the kind of millions of dollars you get until I became informed. As the Federal gov’t begins to tighten its belt, more scrutiny will be paid to the money given without much benefit.

What benefit do Tribes receive for all this money? They “run their own health care systems? ” ummm. try again. Those health care systems are often mismanaged, hand out drugs, and few doctors stay long on the Tribes for the poor treatment they receive from Tribal members

Education? Many tribal educational centers have been grounds for years of abuse of the children. Why would that be? Lack of American government oversight agencies. You see American educational and health care and any other systems are managed by humans who have failings. But, because we have a balanced government system, people can bring accountability to any mismanaged system and bring it into court. When they do, those humans and human organizations are brought to justice that have failings—either financially or in some circumstances, criminally.

But tribes want nothing made public so they hide their failings, they pay off those who do wrong to leave. The tribes don’t recognize the benefit of judicial recourse, so the abusive practices continue.

Balanced government brings “light” into organizations and systems. You would do well to copy the practices that work—the American systems. If you do, you might be able to keep those BILLIONS of our dollars. If you continue not to, your tribal governments will die off and fade away because we will pull our tax dollars from systems as broken, unethical, abusive and rampant with fraud as yours are.

As the recession continues to grow…

Outside of “Tribal”, the state of Michigan, and inner city areas (governed by the same failed ideas), America is not in a recession.

It is just so amusing that Rob was excluded…he is such a douche that he still holds a grudge against tribes.  Let it go Rob.  You are an avowed racist and should be pleased that you are one of the “chosen few” who have been 86’ed…it actually gives you something to whine about.  Thank god my tribal council decided to kick you to the curb with the rest of the white trash.

Ah yes, Rob pointing out the deplorable conditions on the reservations makes him an ‘avowed racist’.

Care to actually, you know, dispute and of the facts that Rob put forth?

Didn’t think so.

Instead, you are far more comfortable in throwing up your defense mechanisms by hypocritically calling him ‘white trash’.

Seems like you are the racist here.

Heh. Kade still reads and just can’t let it go.

For people who bitch about broken laws and treaties, they sure have no problem breaking them themselves. Hypocrisy, thy name is Turtle Mountain.

For people who yell out “racism!!” every time someone criticizes their inept and corrupt little tribal thiefdoms, they sure have no problem being little racists trotting out all manner of angry vindictive vitriol against “white” people. Hypocrisy, thy name is Turtle Mountain.

These guys continuously need reminded that they reside inside the borders of America. They can’t survive without us. There is no “banishment”. They’re not sovereign.

Maybe if they had better educations, they would understand what sovereignty actually entails. That would require putting down the bottle though and critically using their brains…and let’s face it - that’s not going to happen.

Look at the bright side - these fools are happy that they’re banishing people from their little dangerous ghettos. Oh, how terrible! Like they have anything of value to offer in the first place.

So this person who has been “banished” from the tribe wasn’t really even sure if she HAD been? Also, there is always more to the story and this person is known as being extremely confrontational on many fronts..ie, Forums, Myspace, Blogsites. I think it was probably her attitude in dealing with someone that things escalated. So, in short, why are we feeling bad for her if she left the reservation and wasn’t banished?? She doesn’t even know? It just seems odd. Take things with a grain of salt if you ask me. But it is just IMHO! (ha ha)

So, in short, why are we feeling bad for her if she left the reservation and wasn’t banished?? She doesn’t even know?

She’s probably not sure because the tribe didn’t afford her due process in banishing her.  They certainly didn’t afford me due process when they banished me.  I know I’m banished for sure, but I only know because people on the reservation let me know in an unofficial way (I got emails saying “Did you know you’re banished up here?”)

We feel bad for her because this is America, and in America you aren’t denied liberty (including travel onto a reservation) without due process of law.

Maybe you dislike this woman.  That’s your prerogative.  But to discount her banishment as though it were no big deal?

That’s pathetic.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

You are an avowed racist and should be pleased that you are one of the “chosen few” who have been 86’ed…it actually gives you something to whine about.  Thank god my tribal council decided to kick you to the curb with the rest of the white trash.

So the guy who thinks I’m “white trash” also accuses me of being an “avowed racist.”

Irony, thy name is Kade.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

EVERYTHING that happens to this woman is a BIG DEAL! Maybe we are just tired of hearing about it and maybe you don’t know what even happened?!? She is dramatic in every sense of the word. Obviously, there is more to the story than just them supposedly “banishing” her, which apparently never happened. This person LOVES confrontation, she lives on it, feeds on it, thrives on it. If you do not share her opinion, than you are in for an ass chewing by her. She is a bully on a forum called Siouxsports.com there are people who don’t participate in discussions because she is so demeaning. I don’t know your story and don’t particulary care either but let’s face it, you only care about her story because it gives you ammo to back up your opinion about this tribe and what happened to YOU.

Sounds like there are some people who don’t like JM because of her opinions. I personally have seen her for my health care and can attest that she is nothing if not an excellent health care provider who is conscientious, caring, thorough and honest. The care she has provided me and family members is the best I have ever received. She called me after taking care of me to see how I was doing.  THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE OR SINCE! And before you jump to any conclusions, I am Native American. In reading her statement, it sounds to me like the person who threatened to kill her was possibly a drug seeker who didn’t get what they wanted. IHS has a severe shortage of good health care professionals and they lost one of the best when she left.

To Kade who wrote Thank god my tribal council decided to kick you to the curb with the rest of the white trash....
I don’t know you , or anyone on this site. I don’t anything about your ‘banished situation,” I do know it doesn’t matter what kind of situation anyone might find themselves in, in dealing with a Tribe… you will always encounter their racist and hateful speech. Read again what this “kade” person wrote… “white trash.” THAT IS THE CRUX OF IT FOLKS. That is the TRUE NATURE AND BELIEF of Tribal members - from one side of our shore to another. You will find this hatred of “whites,” and even of other Tribes. Their anger at their own ancestory is why they think it’s their right to take our Federal tax dollars and have no accountability, or to deprive someone of their due process, or civil liberties. It’s why they don’t want to become educated and professional organizations (once educated and informed its much harder to maintain illogical hate).

So Kade continue to spew your hate here and everywher else on this Rob person. I need not know him to understand his rationale thoughts about unequal treatment, lack of due process, and frustration with Tribes not being held accountable for their practices. Don’t fret. The Tribes day of reckoning will come and they will be left alone with their hate. It will be their own faults for not having pulled themselves out of poverty, hatred and alcoholism. Their handouts must end. I can’t wait.

likwidshoe,
I am sure you would chose your words a little more wisely if they were not typed anonymously.  Most comments by you that are “Indian related” are shots at Indians.  I admit that we are not all perfect.  Believe it or not.  But neither are you and “your people”. 

“Indians are their own worst enemies.
Drink up, dope up, and die young. They’ve earned their lots in life.”
Last time I seen an episode of Cops, I didn’t see any Indians that were all tweaked out on meth.  But I did see a lot of “White Trash” that was. 

Before I forget.  I would like that thank the White man for all of their tax dollars.  Keep it coming.

Creasy wrote, That doesn’t mean that ALL TRIBES are the same. There are tribes out there that are very accountable with the money supplied by the federal government and do a lot of good for their tribal members who choose to take advantage of it.

Just because TWO tribes have banished non-tribal members, it doesn’t mean that the tribes are out of control and running around wasting tax dollars.

Not TRUE!! Not True! TRIBES HAVE LITTLE AND OFTEN NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR EXPENDITURES. They are supposed to provide Audits - guess who they hire? Their friends. Fox guarding the hen house? You bet. While their “friends” are CPAs and professionals, they receive tens of thousands of dollars higher than other (normal) government agencies pay for these ‘audits.’ Tribes are not required to follow Government Accounting Standard Board (GASB) directives so they generally don’t hire new auditors via a competitive Request for Proposal process. They don’t hire through “lowest bidder” or “highest qualified” process. They hire their friends.

Tribes are not required to show PERFORMANCE MEASURES or prove the Feds got what they paid for. Health Care, Tribes lose good qualified Drs. because they are mistreated and are threatened to do things the Tribal members wand (aka demand) vs following good medical standards. Drug Use, Tribes install Drug Courts and get huge Fed tax dollars for it and don’t have to prove outcomes the way non-tribal drug courts do. Tribes get money for Welare programs and HAND THE CASH OUT LIKE CANDY to their own Tribal members (aka ... family members!).

think about this, one of the biggest problems with Tribes you will not find in non-tribal governments are the FAMILY CONNECTIONS. Off-rez you can NOT HIRE YOUR FAMILY MEMBER to work for your company or gov’t agency yet, Tribes have an inherent conflict of interest. so, When a Dr won’t give a prescription to someone, when the agency doesn’t hire someone, you get forced or forcibly asked to engage in unethicial practices by another family member. the Welare-type programs Tribes manage are those in which they are deciding how much money to give to their uncle, aunt, counsin or the cousin they hate or family group they despise…

The Tribal systems are SET UP for fraudulent opportunties and corruption. Federal Elected officials are paid off, and the American public doesn’t want to be called racist. As the american public changes demographics now, less and less “white male,” and more and more diverse, fewer people will have a hard time with standing up to these unethical practices, mean-spirited angry hateful people. And the money flow will stop.

INTERESTING not one native person attempted to address or explain the issue I previously provided - the imblance in demanding rights the Tribes won’t give. Just as I said they wouldn’t. There is no rational explantion for demanding what you won’t give and what you refuse to acknowledge.

“Before I forget.  I would like that thank the White man for all of their tax dollars.  Keep it coming. “

You’re welcome, Chris, but I dare suggest that those dollars coming your way may be the cruelest thing the white man could do to you.

Please don’t blame me personally, but take a look at wherever lots of tax dollars are spent, especially when “work” is not part of the equation.  It’s not a pretty sight, and I hope you can forgive my part in this.

Bubba,
Sorry about that.  I am not to savvy when it comes to putting things into writing.  But that comment was me trying to be sarcastic.  I need your money about as much as I need a tooth ache. 

Withheld…I will happily address your comment next.

Chris, no apology is necessary—it was not only delightful sarcasm, but also a wonderful starting point.

Moreover, it was part of a very gracious response to what could be considered an inflammatory comment.  I’d love to see more of that kind of thing.

Withheld, do keep in mind two things.  First of all, nepotism is hardly gone from companies and “white folks” governemnts.  If you doubt that, remind me who is the President, and who is one of the leading aspirants to that office.  Sorry, but the ugly reality is that family connections are important everywhere.

Moreover, I don’t know that nepotism is a bad thing.  Who knows your business better than your child, if you’ve done a good job of raising him. 

The trouble with all levels of government—including that of the tribes—is that there is no natural consequence for mismanagement, not that there is nepotism.

You don’t cure that by adding “layers of accountability.”  You cure it by removing as much as possible from the control of government.

sounds to me like HH is JM…..Tooting her own horn.Kind of ironic that when there is criticism, all of a sudden there is someone on here that she “took care of”.
Plus, Telling us the person was a “drug seeker” is supposed to justify it? Did anyone say she was “banished” (we still have yet to find out) for bad health care? Is she a Physician? Was there anyone else for her to refer the patient to if she didn’t feel comfortable?? Why not ignore this “drug seeker” and refer them to another professional. Hmmmm….maybe because like I said previously, she is A BULLY who can’t lose an argument and has to get her way, regardless. She basically took her internet personality and brought it out in her professional life and it bit her in the ass. Quote by JM, her interests…“perfecting the art of bitch”. Yes, the healthcare field is definitely a place to work with THAT attitude. Don’t believe my quote? see for yourself and look it up on my URL posted.

correction. Click my name to see the quote

Kyle, HH is not JM.  Unless JM traveled to an entirely different part of the state to post a sock puppet comment, which I sincerely doubt.

That you don’t like the way she comments in the Sioux forum is hardly reason to try and justify the tribe’s actions in this instance.  Wrong is wrong, whatever your feelings about JM personally.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Oh Ok. I guess I will just have to bow down and say that JM was/is a victim.

JM, Sorry this happened. Sorry that you were banished from somewhere you NEVER lived and WERE NOT from. You must be grief stricken. I know from being on the SS board that you have taken another job. HOW LONG are we going to have to feel sorry for you? Should we expect another post or topic about YOU. A few years ago I had my wallet/identity stolen, however, I didn’t come on a SPORTS forum and bitch about it! Get the hint. And I speak for at least a few people who HAVE felt victimized by this woman. once again, IMHO!

Kyle, this is getting a little silly.  The idea that someone can be banished in America is a noteworthy topic for any forum.

It happened to me, and it’s worth noting that it’s happened to someone else as well.  This is an abuse of government power, yet you seem to be trying to twist it into some sort of personal dispute.

Grow up, how about?

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Kyle, if that’s what you call a crude internet demeanor, exactly what do you call your own postings?  Remember a little proverb about people that live in glass houses? 

Personally, apart from one word, I don’t see anything objectionable about “Sioux-cia’s” posts.

Yours, on the other hand, defy belief.  Since when is it a minor thing to get a death threat?  And exactly why is it inappropriate, if true, to complain about being banned for being the victim of an action?

If this is true, there is a reservation that has just landed a body blow in its own chances of getting decent employers.  No sane businessman wants to do business where the law is so badly capricious that the victim gets blamed for getting a death threat.

LIKWIDSHOE:  Maybe if they had better educations, they would understand what sovereignty actually entails. That would require putting down the bottle though and critically using their brains…and let’s face it - that’s not going to happen.

I highly doubt your educational attainment comes even remotely close to mine Likwidshoe.  And as far as understanding sovereignty, I am well aware of what it means and how it is exercised, and obviously so does my tribal council…they exercised it when they acted to ban Rob from the reservation. 

As far as your “educatedness” please enlighten me as to what avanced degrees you hold.  As far as I can tell, you are a wigger who holds a degree in absolute dick.

withheld.  Do you think things are done this way intentionally?  I think not.  Shit happens.  When you are stuck in a rut it is very hard to get out.  It takes time for a race of people to adapt.  It has not been that long since our way of life changed so drastically.  We will learn from our mistakes.

As far as your “educatedness” please enlighten me as to what avanced degrees you hold.  As far as I can tell, you are a wigger who holds a degree in absolute dick.

Wigger?  Seriously?  This from the guy who throws around racism accusations?

And who are you quoting with “educatedness?”  I would think that someone with your advanced level of education would understand the use of quotation marks.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

And who are you quoting with “educatedness?” I would think that someone with your advanced level of education would understand the use of quotation marks.

The use of quotation marks is absolutely appropriate in the context in which I used it - so as to exaggerate the word so as to highlight the absurdity of an ignorant mental deficient such as Likwidshoe actually being intelligent. 

And as far as me Not being racist, I am absolutely racist against white assholes.

Chris Peltier - Most comments by you that are “Indian related” are shots at Indians.  I admit that we are not all perfect.  Believe it or not.  But neither are you and “your people”.

All comments by me here that are Indian related are “shots” at the welfare state, the tribal mess that is the reservation system, and the “We are LandLords” mindset.

And I don’t have people, Chris. That kind of thinking is a disease.

likwidshoe.  Such arrogance.  I should not even respond.  Your state of mind is a disease.  You seem to know everything.  It is one thing to share thoughts, ideas and opinions but they way you put things it is almost as if you think of yourself as high and mighty.  Dealing with people like you is easy.  Sit back and let you talk.  Especially behind safety net of no one knowing you or being able to confront you in person.  I hope when you fall on your face it is in the public eye.  Maybe that will humble you.  I just have one question.  How do you know so much about “how things really work on the rez”?

Regarding Kade’s statements; one who is truly educated knows quite well that having a degree is not the same thing as having knowledge and wisdom.

Lik, I would suggest that you might do well to temper your criticism; vehement criticism of the welfare state is fine by me, but you seem to be crossing a line, to which others rightly object.

Chris Peltier said to me, You seem to know everything.

Thank you Chris.

Bike Bubba - *shrug*. Look at what they’re defending. The line was crossed:

I would like that thank the White man for all of their tax dollars.

That comes from Chris, who then somewhat laughable complains about someone else being arrogant. Heh. The balls on that one.

Bike Bubba, these people are no better than Marxists.

Likwidshoe
I fail at online sarcasm again.  You still didn’t answer my question.  How do you know what you know?  If you really knew me you would not compare me to a Marxist.  I am huge on the idea of “get off your ass and do it yourself and quit being a victim.” There is a HUGE difference between talking shit and knowing what you are talking about.  If you are going to complain about something atleast have some sort of idea behind the history or cause of that issue.  Then maybe you will understand why things are the way they are and why there is no quick fix.  You are a shit talker.

Chris Peltier - If you are going to complain about something atleast have some sort of idea behind the history or cause of that issue.  Then maybe you will understand why things are the way they are and why there is no quick fix.

It sounds like the quicksand of the past.

Meanwhile, there’s a Korean grocer on the corners of countless inner cities. With a few years, they already know the language, run a few businesses, are upper middle class, and their kids make the grade.

But as you said, these things take time.

You are a shit talker.

Well then hello friend. Nice to see a fellow shit talking traveler.

Let me ask you something Chris, would it help if I said ‘Indian reservationists’ instead of simply Indians? Perhaps a shorter ‘reservationists’ would work. Or perhaps ‘reservation supporters’ to be completely accurate. It’s a bit clunky, but it works.

It’s not about the Indian, it’s about the reservation system. It’s about “Tribal laws” designed with the explicit purpose of banishing drug dealers being used to banish bloggers and health care providers. It’s about a concept as ugly as banishment existing inside a “free country”.

It’s not about the Indian, it’s about the reservation system. It’s about “Tribal laws” designed with the explicit purpose of banish drug dealers being used to banish bloggers and health care providers. It’s about a concept as ugly as banishment existing inside a “free country”.

There is actually no place on earth where I feel more free and safe than on the reservation.  Tribal laws are designed to keep tribal members safe.  It’s not a bad thing to exclude assholes and others who damage the safety and well being of the community. 

You should definitely come up here one of these days and do some of your rave dancing at the Horseman’s bar.  I am sure that people could use the comedy relief, and I assure you that you would not be banned, just laughed off the reservation instead.

How odd that Kade the racist is allowed to come to Rob Port’s blog and Say Anything he likes - but that the same freedom of expression is not given to Rob in return.

Like I said, Kade is a hypocritical racist.

It’s not a bad thing to exclude assholes and others who damage the safety and well being of the community.

Kade,

A few points.  First, you seem to have confused those “who damage the safety and well being of the community” with those who make known the threats to that same safety and well being.

The way you’ve interpreted things is kinda like the guy who refuses to go back to the doctor who diagnosed him with high blood pressure and a leaky heart valve.  That sort of willful insolence and delusional denial only makes thing a whole lot worse in the long run.

Second, if you are half as educated as you implied, you ought to seriously reexamine the implications of what you’ve written here.  After all, the petty rationalization you use to keep people off the reservation, could just as easily be used to keep them on the reservation.  Stupid and oblivious bigotry is NOT a one-way street.

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

likwidshoe

You still didn’t answer my question.  How do you know what you know? 

So what are you trying to say about Indians with you Korean analogy?  Break it down for me. 

I do not even live on the rez.  I think it is a shit hole infested with selfish thinkforyourselfers.  I moved when I was 18 and am now 26.  But the difference between me and you is that I understand that not everyone is the same.  You stereotype.  Just because I am Indian you believe that I live my certain way.  The truth is you don’t know squat.  There are good people and bad people. People like you just talk.  Talk shit. 
Don’t try and act like you don’t have a problem with the “Indian” and it is with the reservation system.  You have made plenty of comments about “these people” and made it very clear your stance about Indian people.

Just because I am Indian you believe that I live my certain way.

Let me state it again that it is not about the Indian, it’s about the reservation system.

Will you accept that answer or are you going to continue doing those things that you’re claiming of me?

We’ll see I guess.

likwidshoe

You still didn’t answer my question.  How do you know what you know? 

So what are you trying to say about Indians with you Korean analogy?  Break it down for me. 

There.  Now we can move on.

I think my tribe went way over the top when they banished Rob Port.  But on the flip side to that what Rob did only reinforces narrow minded ideas about what life is really like on a reservation and why it is like this.  For an example take a look at likwidshoe.  He has a very strong opinion about the reservation system yet he cannot explain how he became so knowledgable about it.  He knows what he knows because he only sees or hears the things that are writen or talked about by people like Rob.

But on the flip side to that what Rob did only reinforces narrow minded ideas about what life is really like on a reservation and why it is like this.

Given how bad things are on the reservation, I think you’re splitting hairs with this argument.  Are there good people who live there?  Sure.  I’m friends with a few.  Are some people there honestly trying to make things better?  I don’t doubt it a bit.

But to dismiss my very real observations of the reservation as a “narrow view” is to excuse the problems I observed.

I know it hurts, but at some point people on the reservation and off are going to have to start talking about this stuff.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

You are absolutely right.  I didn’t disagree with what you wrote.  I was implying that people with hatred and animosity towards Indian people only get worse when learning about us from writings like yours.  See below quote. 

Quote from likwidshoe
“Maybe if they had better educations, they would understand what sovereignty actually entails. That would require putting down the bottle though and critically using their brains…and let’s face it - that’s not going to happen.

Look at the bright side - these fools are happy that they’re banishing people from their little dangerous ghettos. Oh, how terrible! Like they have anything of value to offer in the first place.”

Ok Rob…Is this what you would call talking shit or making factual comments?  Is he not saying that I am a stupid drunk?  It is not very clear to me but I think he is calling me a stupid drunk.

He knows what he knows because he only sees or hears the things that are writen or talked about by people like Rob.

At long last, I wish someone would actually dispute the facts of the deplorable conditions Rob saw there.

Likwidshoe can criticize those conditions based on Rob’s reporting, because apparently Rob’s reporting was accurate.

Not one single person in any of these threads, to my knowledge, has said otherwise.

Chris, BTW, I am sure you are not a drunk.

Heh, sorry, nor stupid either.

The quote from likwidshoe is not criticizing the conditions on the reservation due to Rob’s reporting.  His remarks are meant to be insulting to the people that reside there not the reservation system.  A cheap shot.  If it was not his intent it sure came off that way. 

All I wanted to do was call him on his bullshit.  And let him know that if we were in the same room I know he would not use those same words. 

Fine, criticize the Turtle Mountains.  I for sure do not disagree with Rob’s report.  Let me add to it. 
*We have 30,000 enrolled members when we should only have 10,000.(that should piss tax payers off)
*Almost all of our tribal government is part of the 20,000 that should not be a member including the Metis chairman. 
*We have a district four councilman who reads and speaks at a 2nd grade level.  ( I am really proud of him when I hear that he is on travel representing us) (online sarcasm)
*The school boards are just as bad.  Passing on highly qualified applicants for not so highly qualified applicants and they wonder why they cannot meet AYP.

I have much, much more.

That is criticism.  Making comments like
” That would require putting down the bottle though and critically using their brains…and let’s face it - that’s not going to happen.

Look at the bright side - these fools are happy that they’re banishing people from their little dangerous ghettos. Oh, how terrible! Like they have anything of value to offer in the first place.”

is just talking smack.

Chris Peltier - point taken.

At the same time, none of that applied to you. I was speaking to those individuals who have sacrificed their individuality to the group. You strike me as an individual Chris. I can respect that.

Josie McIntosh or whatever she says her name is, seems to be nothing but a trouble maker, and she also has demonstrated threatening behavior. I think we ought to get to know a little more before writing about anything, but particularly this person… who’s given private information and whereabouts about people she dislikes.

I think perhaps maybe she was threatening a person prior to this person threatening her? It would not be the first time.

And for Josie, pretty soon ALL of North Dakota, on and off reservation won’t respond to you crying wolf.

Several people off reservation who’ve worked with you don’t have very kind words.

chris peltier, you of all people shouldn’t criticize the Metis, or mixed bloods… You are one!!! Take a look in the mirror, look at your family tree. Debating blood quantum is dull and redundant.

If the Turtle Mountains have nothing to offer, why do you and your family continue to try to return there?

Mocking the tribal council… hmmm… wasn’t your father once a councilmen? If I remember correctly, he caused quite a bit of trouble too. And the only reason why you criticize the school board is because your father wasn’t hired!!!

Get over yourself.

DJ.  I do not have to bust out my “Indian Resume” for anyone.  I know who I am and what I stand for and I am also well aware of my family tree.  Getting into a pissing contest with you will do nothing productive.  But I will comment on your memory about my dad’s service to Indian people.  He was a councilmen.  He was one of the few that stood up to the “six pack”.  Recall that they were responsible for over $18,000,000 of tribal money disappearing.  If you wanna call a guy who rocks the boat when it needs to be rocked a trouble maker then I guess my dad is a trouble maker. 
And in regard to the school board issue.  It is true.  If it is not tell me what makes the guy who got the job MORE qualified.  I for one am glad my dad didn’t get the job.  The Turtle Mountains do NOT have anything to offer me.  And I do not know who informed you that I was trying to return there.  I have no desire to make a home there After seeing what that school board did I have realized that people who are not “yes men” have no place there.  People who go against the grain or speak up for what is right get labeled a trouble maker by people like yourself.  I don’t need it.

Perhaps the “healthcare provider” should have shot this piece of shit in its racist face, then pitched its racist ass into the nearest field, so dogs and vultures could wipe its racist ass from the face of OUR Earth. Just a thought. Kill racist assholes swiftly and viciously and publicly, leave their corpses to rot in plain view, and racism will vanish. That. Simple. Wipe it from the face of the Earth, one racist asshole at a time.

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Let me just clear up one thing. Someone forwarded me a PM from Josie in which she claimed that I or my friend are making up most of the comments on here. Let me set the record straight. I AM NOT KYLE, TW, WITHELD, AVERAGE JOE (although that post was interesting)OR ANYONE ELSE. I will post under MY NAME and give MY OPINIONS on her.

Josie has continued to antagonize me with her little comments about stuff that has happened to me in MY life that is NONE of her business. I FEEL like she takes personal enjoyment to anything negative that may happen in my life. I have tried reasoning with this person and have told her MANY times that I am NO LONGER concerned with her and I have NO hard feelings, I just wish she would LET IT GO!

AND IF I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY…I WILL POST UNDER MY NAME.

Rob and Lik,
Boo zhoo, are you two racist hate mongers still crying about Indians. It’s not any of your business about what goes on in Indian Country. I have told you two idiots this before. Keep Indian Country off of your blog site Rob you are less than honorable to have anything to do or say about the inherent owners of this land. Your here because they don’t want you in Alaska and your daddy has money.
Lik are you still posting your pot smoking pictures on the web. Did you go to treatment yet,,boy?

Ah, look, andy got released early. Did your shrink get those charges for sodomizing those 3 young boys tossed?

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When the state pays for you, the state owns you.

That makes it our business.

Those who have hatefully lied here in this thread don’t understand this simple concept.

You guys are just jealous because Indians make better lovers.

Yep, LBM, just ask all the little boys andy has sodomized, they will tell you how great it was.

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2 hot 2 B cool,

Are you registered with those kind of fantasies?

These guys not only hate Indians…..ladies your wasting your beautiful minds here. This site may rate real well in that sand box in the middle east unfortunately this is not the site for adults. GET OFF OF MY ISLAND! We ban pedophiles also.

Tribes pay most taxes than you cry babies will ever pay in 100 life times.

We ban pedophiles also.

Must not like the competition!

Shrugging off the mindless, baseless attacks of Liberal hyenas and jackals since 2007

”(Proof) You’re, as we say in Hawaii, No Ka Oi!”

-unsolicited testimonial

Then you better ban “Julienne Xene Laverdure Cross” andy, cause it lives on your reservation and sodomizes young boys.

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Oh, and you are stupid enough to believe you paying taxes makes you something special?  Perhaps you would like to prove exactly how much Tribes pay? Lets see it.

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PAYROLL TAXES PAID (TOTAL) $81051000. FICA-Employers Share $20139000 ...
This is one tribe you guys do your own homework….You want a little cheese with your…..?

Did you boys happen to go to high school in the Unites States? The Sisseton-Wahpeton Sioux Tribe is in the state of South Dakota not North Dakota…IDIOTS!

Not all of the Sisseton-Wahpeton reservation is in South Dakota.  Richland and Sargent counties in North Dakota are part of the reservation as well.

Be careful who you call idiots.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Wow, such impressive numbers! Does not equal 1/4 of the same taxes collected from employed residents of Butler County, PA. Oh, and the employed population of Butler County is substantially smaller than your “tribe”. Guess y’all need some better jobs.

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Julienne Xene Laverdure Cross, my apologies. You are not andy, our favorite NA scumbag. Guess it is still in jail.

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2H9, you seem to be making some very confrontational accusations of someone who’s posted here.  Can you provide a source?

Go through the 3 original threads concerning TMR and see what andy has to say for himself. Then look andy up and see what a piece of work he is. Once people actually started connecting the dots he did the fast fade from here.

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Bike Bubba,
Andy is a Turtle Mountain Band Member and so am I. These guys on this site have been making very controversial comments to anyone who is Indian…it is very sad but well known all over Indian County. On Blue Corn this site is rated stereotype of the day. It’s below Andy’s intelligence to take these guys seriously, confrontational, they can’t seem to go past….race.
They Hate Indians!

These pups love reading and publicly flaunting Tribal issues. It makes their ego’s fly when they publish the suffering in Indian Country. I have not seen them ever get past the color of our skin. Their mislead concepts are their foundations and neither truth nor lie can change this disease in their hearts and minds.      Once it angered me now a laugh at them because I know many are out there with the same disease and they will come here to feed.

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INDIAN PEOPLE ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON EARTH

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