Trump: We Couldn’t Have Caught Bin Laden Without Torture

Torture is such a subjective, political term. When you say “torture” most people think of people being stretched on a rack or something. Is water boarding torture? After years of debate I think most people reading this have probably already made up their minds one way or another.

But whatever we call that sort of interrogation technique – be it “enhanced interrogation” or “torture” or what have you – the point is that it works. It produces the sort of intelligence that leads to successful anti-terror operations and, thus, saves lives.

Which is the point Trump is making:

People say they object to these sort of techniques because they’re “immoral.” My point has always been, if we can get some jihadist to cough up information about terror networks and plots, wouldn’t it be immoral not to use them given that such intelligence can save lives?

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • borborygmi

    Hint if you have to come up with a term such as enhanced interogation it is probably torture.

    • robert108

      Real torture is for the purpose of punishing and killing the enemy, not for obtaining intel.

      If you have ever been in a real fight, you know you have to hit the other guy harder and more often than he hits you, if you want to win. That’s the “morality” of fighting for your life.

      • borborygmi

        why are we just stopping with simple water boarding. Ask Mccain for hints on other tortures. He will give you first hand accounts on what works. Where would you like to draw the line in the morality of fighting for your life.

        • Spartacus

          Where would you like to draw the line in the morality of fighting for your life.

          Where ever the line ends with my being alive and my enemy being dead, what ever it takes to achieve that result, just like you would.

  • borborygmi

    Trump just wants to “bang on his drum all day”

    • robert108

      He’s doing a valuable service by exposing the lies of obama; he needs to keep it up.

  • DopeyDem

    There have been worse techniques used in hazings at fraternities than were used on terror suspects.

    Torture=Bad
    Abortion=Good
    Go figure…..

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      What are some techniques used at fraternity hazings that were worse?

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        “[H]azing has been associated with more than 50 deaths in college fraternities and countless more physical injuries including paralysis, not to mention the devastating emotional effects that can result for so many young men and women.”
        http://www.stophazing.org/fraternity_hazing/index.htm

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          What are the techniques that are worse than waterboarding that are performed in hazing’s?  I understand that Americans drink themselves to death, but that is not torture.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Look them up yourself, Pizza Boy.  If you had done your homework instead of your mother (double entendre intended), you would be able to do so.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You have no techniques to share that are worse than waterboarding.  Therefore, it is either a lie or sheer ignorance to make such a remark in defense of torture.  I’m betting he’s a liar.  And you endorsed that stupid sh@t.  Typical.

            Maybe if others were smart enough to say what they meant, instead of speaking from emotion, they wouldn’t blurt out such hyperbole?

          • robert108

            Give me a K-Bar and an hour, and I’ll show you some real torture.  Waterboarding isn’t torture.  It’s the guilty knowledge that tortures your terrorist buddies.

      • Kerry
        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Starkey died of alcohol poisoning after a hazing incident involving drinking while pledging Sigma Alpha Epsilon in December 2008.

          Carson Starkey was given rum, beer, a Sparks alcohol beverage and Everclear, which contains 75 percent alcohol.

          He consumed the drinks in a matter of minutes, following direction from
          fraternity leaders — some of whom encouraged pledges to vomit and keep drinking.

          Tests after Carson’s death determined that he had a blood-alcohol level of between
          0.39 and 0.44 — five times the legal limit for driving.

          The so-called Brown Bag night that led to Carson’s death was a tradition at the Cal Poly SAE chapter, fraternity members said.

          “He could have been saved if the fraternity brothers hadn’t been scared of the consequences of taking Carson to the hospital,” Julia Starkey said.

          You compare this to torture and waterboarding? Wow, that’s a stretch, even for you, HG.

  • WOOF

    “whatever we call that sort of interrogation technique – be it “enhanced interrogation” or “torture”

    it is a criminal act.

    “The United States is a party to the Convention Against Torture and Other
    Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, which originated
    in the
    United Nations General Assembly
    on December 10, 1984, and signed by the President
    Ronald Reagan
    on April 18, 1988. Ratification by the Senate took place on October 27, 1990.”

  • Vlad Taltos

    You pretend that there are no Laws of War and that anything effective is permissible. However, I would argue how effective the method was since it was used in 2004 and the mission was in 2011.

    • robert108

      You should keep up with the news; even liar obama admits that it has taken eight years to complete the mission that gave him such a bump in popularity in the polls.

  • Jamermorrow

    For you Christians out there, is delegating somebody to do your torture, relieve you of the act in God’s eyes. I am against because I don’t want the government torturing me, my family, or any of my friends. Who knows who the government will label as terrorists in the future. Your gun owning, home schooling, and Conservative lifestyle might be considered threatening someday.

    • robert108

      Waterboarding is not torture.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        The Donald called it Torture, is he lying?

        • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

          No, just mistaken. Making a mistake is not the same as lying; otherwise, Pizza Boy, you would be an even bigger liar than Obama.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running. Unfortunately, lying probably will get them elected.

            Maybe you ought to understand the purpose of a question before you work so hard to pat yourself on the back when answering it, sycophant.

          • Kerry

            “Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running.”

            57 STATES

          • Kerry

            P.S. There are 57 ISLAMIC STATES, did he just confused, or was it his true upbringing that come to the surface?

            The latter, obviously.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I would trade a fumbling, wide awake (debatable) candidate who is praising the use of torture for a statement by an exhausted candidate on the campaign trail, who made a misstatement about the number of US states, any day.

          • Kerry

            57 STATES, Islamic states. The sub-conscience mind doesn’t lie.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Oh I see, the “Secret Muslin” thing again. Well, if conspiracy theories are your tools of measure, then we better start working on the plan to merge Hawaii and Alaska into one state, as Obama had said:

            “It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.”

            I guess everything looks like a conspiracy when you are blinded by paranoid delusion?

            BTW, Obama had been in 47 states tat the time.

          • Kerry

            Not knowing how many states are in the country he wanted to become President of::

            “Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running.”

          • Kerry

            57 STATES, Islamic states. The sub-conscience mind doesn’t lie.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The paranoid mind, however, is known to cause some pretty elaborate illusions. Guess which category you are in?

          • Kerry

            57 STATES, Islamic states. The sub-conscience mind doesn’t lie.

            Not knowing how many states are in the country he wanted to become President of::

            “Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running.”

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The paranoid mind knows many illusions. It lies to itself.

            You can’t help that you are paranoid, so you can’t help your blindness.

            Justifying torture for political game is unAmerican and should disqualify any candidate from running for office.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            He had been in 47 states at the time and was campaigned out. He also said he had 1 more state to go, Alaska and Hawaii. What’s your conspiracy theory for that statement?

          • Kerry

            57 STATES, Islamic states. The sub-conscience mind doesn’t lie.

            Not knowing how many states are in the country he wanted to become President of::

            “Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running.”

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Yeah, yeah, “Secret Mulsin” and all that. You said that already, but what’s your conspiracy theory for Obama saying he had one state left, Alaska and Hawaii? Is there going to be merger? Haha!

          • Kerry

            “He had been in 47 states at the time and was campaigned out”

            Don’t you mean “camped” out?.

            I’’ve now been in 57 states?

            I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii”

            In his mind, the merger has already taken place.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So Obama plans to merge Hawaii and Alaska into a Muslim paradise?

            I think what you mean to say is the camp had him visit 47 states and it confused him? Are you confusing The Obama Camp with “camp” again?

          • Kerry

            No, little camper, you’re the confused one. That’s what you meant to say, but you don’t think very well.

            I’’ve now been in 57 states?

            I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii”

            In his mind, the merger has already taken place.

          • Kerry

            “So Obama plans to merge Hawaii and Alaska into a Muslim paradise?”

            If you say so, you seem to have an inside track on “Obama”

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Just trying to figure out your wacky conspiracy theories, HG.

            You don’t need to say silly things like the camp sent Obama to 47 states, but wouldn’t let him go to Hawaii, when you really meant The Obama Campaign.

            You should really know the argument before you throw conspiracies in the mix, or your personal confusions from debates long past.

          • robert108

            No, he’s just mocking you for believing that “camp” is short for “campaign”.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Why?  I didn’t say that.  I merely said that Whistler was wrong for calling ABC news “The Obama Camp”, because that implies it’s part of his campaign.  I then asked for anyone to provide (3) examples where a professional journalist used the words “The Obama Camp” when it was not referring to the campaign.

            Why you guys argue that is, still, beyond absurd.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Three freakin’ years and you haven’t learned a single thing! Why am I not surprised?   Let’s examine your outright lies:

            I merely said that Whistler was wrong for calling ABC news “The Obama Camp”, because that implies it’s part of his campaign. 

            Wrong. You called Whistler “stupid” for not “knowing” that “camp” was short for “campaign”. Besides, being in Obama’s “camp” doesn’t imply that you are in the campaign, it implies that you are a supporter. Epic Fail, Wankertized.  We have explained that over and over, so that even a second grader would understand it. (So, there’s hope for even you someday, Hanni!)

            All of the people in Obama’s campaign were in his camp, but not everyone in his camp was in his campaign.   Get it? (People! Stop laughing!)

            I then asked for anyone to provide (3) examples where a professional
            journalist used the words “The Obama Camp” when it was not referring to
            the campaign.

            No. You asked for examples where a professional
            journalist used the word “Camp” when it was not referring to a campaign. And after we did that, you still demonstrated impenetrable ignorance, ignoring the obvious, proving yourself to be impervious to facts. Epic, epic, Fail, Wankertized.

            Any wonder why everyone considers you a joke around here, Twaddlemonger?

            Why you guys argue that is, still, beyond absurd.

            LOL. No, why you won’t admit you were wrong after three freaking years is beyond absurd.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Wrong. You called Whistler “stupid” for not “knowing” that “camp” was short for “campaign”. 

            That’s a provable lie.  Because you could not accept that the words “The Obama Camp” are different than your re-arranged example:

            All of the people in Obama’s campaign were in his camp, but not everyone in his camp was in his campaign.

            Fine, but none of that is speaking to The Obama Camp.  The Obama Camp is 99.9% of the time referring to the campaign.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             The only lies you can prove are the ones you yourself utter, Tranni. Which, from the looks of it, are virtually everything you say.

          • robert108

            Wrong again, little hanni.  The obama campaign is all the people who work in his political campaign, whereas the obama camp is made up of all his followers all over the country.  You really don’t know that?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Here is what was said and clearly you can see by Whislter’s use he was phrasing this as if he was talking about The Obama Campaign.

            Hannitized

            Whistlingliesthroughtheteeth says:

            I think the Obama camp has learned that if you repeat the implausible lie often enough it works.

            “The Obama camp” has not said anything about the ad. The New York Times did.

            Stop attributing other things other people say to Obama, and his campaign. As Rob had stated “I’m getting a little tired of it”.

            Liars.

            Note my use of questions marks.  It proves I was being specific.  It was Whistler who blurred the lines.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             You’ve been trying to re-write history for three years, Hanni. Why should you stop now?

          • robert108

            Lying and denying as usual, little hanni.  You have been confusing “camp” for “campaign” for a few years now.  Don’t deny it; just man up and admit your mistake.

          • 2hotel9

             tranni, all this lying and sh*t spewing does not change a single thing. Torture works. Period.

          • Kerry

            I’ve now been in 57 states?
            I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii

          • robert108

            Being programmed as a muslim is not a “conspiracy”, little hanni. It’s called a Freudian slip.

          • Kerry

            “He had been in 47 states at the time and was campaigned out”

            Don’t you mean “camped” out?.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Of course The Donald has the right to plead for our right to take oil from Iraq and our benefits of torturing, but it shouldn’t detract from his candidacy, after all, he’s widely respected in political circles.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWuv2txl_5M&feature=related

          • Spartacus

            plead??? I bet you meant plea, Being “Proofs obsession” aren’t you Merriam Webster incarnate and yet not capable of achieving her level of expertise with the English language? Proof has PWNED you for years, everyone, including RBB, Ellinas & Sparky have known it. What you experience from them is like sympathy sex, they really don’t care!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I’m sorry, I think you are mistaken and I can not relate to your argument, the train that goes through my area doesn’t stop off at Dumbfuckistan.

            plead/plēd/Verb
            1. Make an emotional appeal.
            2. Present and argue for (a position), esp. in court or in another public context.

            plea/plē/Noun
            1. A request made in an urgent manner.
            2. A claim that one should not be blamed for or should not be forced to do something

          • robert108

            It’s always funny when you babble about “debate”, little hanni, since you have never done it, nor do you know how to do it. What’s the first step in debate?

          • 2hotel9

            Torture works, which is why you oppose it. Torture is leading to the brutal deaths of your Muslim terrorist heroes, and THAT is why you are against it. Go ahead, whinny lying c*nt. Defend your Muslim terrorist heroes for murdering innocent Muslim children and women. I order you to, c*nt.

          • Vlad Taltos

            I oppose torture be auss it is wrong. There are worse things than death. I don,t agree with Catholics about everything, but there just war doctrine is on the mark.

          • Vlad Taltos

            I apologize for the mistakes in the last post. I’m trying to learn to text from my new phone.

          • 2hotel9

             Keep defending your Muslim terrorist heroes, whinny lying c*nt.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Pizza Boy—you missed another joke. If you would have said “sicko-phant” you might have not only made a joke but wounded me deeply! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah!-

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Shorter Donald Trump: “I don’t care if what I do is illegal, as long as I get what I want.”

    • Spartacus

      Trump quotes Obama?

    • Kerry

      57 STATES, Islamic states. The sub-conscience mind doesn’t lie.

      Not knowing how many states are in the country he wanted to become President of::

      “Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running.”

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Yeah, yeah, “Secret Mulsin” and all that. You said that already, but
        what’s your conspiracy theory for Obama saying he had one state left,
        Alaska and Hawaii? Is there going to be merger? Haha!

        • robert108

          It’s no “secret” that he’s a muslim; his father was a muslim, so he’s a muslim, according to tradition.

          As far as I know, he has never formally renounced islam.

          He does practice taqiyya, though.

        • Kerry

          57 STATES, Islamic states. The sub-conscience mind doesn’t lie.Not knowing how many states are in the country he wanted to become President of::”Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running.”

          “He had been in 47 states at the time and was campaigned out”

          Don’t you mean “camped” out?.

          • Kerry

            “He had been in 47 states at the time and was campaigned out”

            Don’t you mean “camped” out?.

            I’’ve now been in 57 states?
            I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii

            In his mind, the merger has already taken place.

        • 2hotel9

          Torture works, which is why you oppose it. Torture is leading to the
          brutal deaths of your Muslim terrorist heroes, and THAT is why you are
          against it. 

      • Spartacus

        Bush was stupid and he didn’t have teleprompters, WYSIWYG. Obama just has stupid people program his teleprompters, there’s a difference, Obama can speak eloquently on his own!11eleventy!!!

  • Guest

    One need only read the opening paragraph of this post to realize what human filth I interact with on this blog.

    • Kerry

      Makes you feel right at home.

      • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

        Don’t mind Sparkkkie. When he’s not pretending to be something he’s not, he’s pretending to remember stuff that never happened, or just know stuff he doesn’t know.

        • Guest

          That’s convenient for y’all. 

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

             Whether or not the truth is “convenient” is irrelevant. Rather like most your comments, Sparkles.

    • 2hotel9

      Torture works, which is why you oppose it. Torture is leading to the
      brutal deaths of your Muslim terrorist heroes, and THAT is why you are
      against it. 

  • borborygmi

    Again the reality of the world situation is to become what we hate?

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      You are exactly right. Well, maybe not exactly. Better: We already are what we hate. It just takes a while to show up.

    • 2hotel9

      Torture works, which is why you oppose it. Torture is leading to the
      brutal deaths of your Muslim terrorist heroes, and THAT is why you are
      against it. 

  • BMan

    I have no problem with the CIA taking any one of these animals at club gitmo or that they catch on the battle field and attempting to save the lives of our soldiers or citizens with the use of hot pokers, vices, stretchers, or whatever they want.

    Many will say that would cause them to dislike us. I say, it’s too late they already hate us.

  • Kerry

    57 STATES, Islamic states. The sub-conscience mind doesn’t lie.Not knowing how many states are in the country he wanted to become President of::

    “He had been in 47 states at the time and was campaigned out”

    Don’t you mean “camped” out?.

    “I’ve now been in 57 states?
    I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii,

    “Making a mistake on that level should disqualify any presidential candidate from running.”

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