More lies from the whiny lying c*nt.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?

And whilst we are here,where is all your proof that W had intimate, detailed knowledge of Al Queda’s operational plan and refused to stop it?

It wouldn’t matter what proof or links I gave you. You’d still only believe what your leftist idiology allowed you to believe. You love to lick the boots of dictators. You are one sick imbecile.

Your pathetic, ignorant mistake is to confuse American conservatives with the type of fascism practiced by Chavez and the Dems in this country.
American conservatives embrace personal, economic, religious and political freedom. You are simply playing word games to smear people who don’t agree with your Marxist blather.

The back injuries are definitely from rubber shot from a shotgun. The gruesome keg injury looks like a close range shotgun blast. Almost anything shot from a 12 gauge at close range, including less-lethal ammunition will remove flesh. The head wound and the blood on the girls shirt obviously indicate injuries of some sort, but it is telling that you assume torture.

A lie about a bad guy is still a lie.

If you had any integrity, you would be asking why Carter went there to kiss Chavez’s butt.
You leftie liars are always squealing about conservatives meddling in the affairs of other countries and “forcing freedom on them”, and now you’re squealing because we didn’t.
Have no nothing other than lies?

You know Idiot Sockpuppet Against today’s GOP: Your faux outrage over Hugo Chavez and how he might corrupt the political process in the US with free speech might be more convincing if your buddy Obama wasn’t BFF with Hugo.

Carter is an imbecile. Worst president we ever had up until now. A totally failed idiot who is a pro-muslim anti-semite. Yeah, I can see why you would believe him. You are a foolish ideologue, a brainwashed idiot who buys anything the marxists are selling.

Real Americans know the difference between torture and interrogation; sorry you don’t, but then, you’re not a real American. That’s what is wrong with you.

Chavez is a right-wing nutjob, so you lie again, AV. Do you have any evidence for your speculation, or is it just more Marxist partisan hackery from you?

“…pro-democracy Chavez supporters.”

This is a joke, right? You can’t be that far out of touch, can you? Chavez is a commie thug dictator.

Didn’t take you long to pull the libstains favorite, the race card.

And the pictures show mostly white people yet only 21% of Venezuelans are white. They’re just pissed a darker-skinned bloke got elected president. A conservative is a conservative no matter the country it seems.

What a LOSER you are angry vegetable.

This creepy lib AV would lick the boots of any tyrant. He is a total statist idiot.

Why do you right wingers celebrate the Supreme Court giving this guy a political voice in America through his corporate political contributions? You right wingers are just so confused.

It has nothing to do with Chavez and his “regime.”

You are full of it here, ellinas. Crowd control for race riots, or riots at a soccer match is one thing, but this about a leftist thug using brutal force to maintain political power and control.

It has EVERYTHING to do with Chavez and his thuggish leftist regime.

Chavez is it’s (sic) puppet master.

Wankertized: Is that you?

Go ahead, call Human Rights Watch liars. Keep defending terrorists, they are your heroes, since you are too cowardly to do your own murdering of children.

You are the one who is confused, sockpuppet. By throwing out the unConstitutional McCain/Feingold crap, we took power away from the most pernicious foreign influence on our politics: George Soros, who inflicted Obama on us.
BTW, your extreme left wing positions doesn’t make real Americans who oppose you “right wingers”; that’s just moronic.

Thanks for another opportunity to smack your lies with the truth.

We’ve been through all this before you reality denying imbecile.

Chavez was “elected” because his goons beat up the opposition, beat up opposition voters, tore down posters, vandalized radio stations, beat reporters who wrote unfavorably about him and brutishly practiced information control and propaganda.

Chavez maintains power in the same manner and has bankrupted Venezuela, which should be a wealthy nation given it’s oil reserves. Chavez nationalized oil and the media and has now isolated himself from neighboring countries who are horrified at his cruelty.

You are a brainwashed and willfully ignorant ideologue who worships tyrants, hates democracy and has no problem with oppression and torture of those who oppose your sick and failed idiology.

I can’t help but think this is yet more Goebbels-style propaganda.

Yeah, from YOU, you leftist freak.

As usual, you have no argument, and are reduced to lying about what someone else said.
Of course, I said nothing of the kind; you just made that up about “had it coming”.
I was smacking the liar AV with the truth when he said that rioters were “conservative”. You don’t even have the intelligence to understand what your betters are actually saying, necrophiliac. Go threaten someone with homosexual rape. That’s about your speed.

Ever notice how Angry Vegetable always defends this insane dictator? I guess he should move there, it is obvious he hates liberty.

I didn’t know Korea and Egypt were in Venezuela. When did that happen?

The lying necrophiliac can’t do logic, either. No surprise.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why can you not do that?

“I did not support the invasion of Iraq.”

Where Saddam Hussein used brute force(real torture, not interrogation) to impose his ideology.
You are a hypocrite, Marxist.

Poor e, having another of “those” days? Out of midol? Keep defending terrorists, sweety, its what you do best.

Why do you right wingers celebrate the Supreme Court giving this guy a political voice in America through his corporate political contributions?

Is this supposed to be one of your beliefs that “frustrate” me? Well, in a way, you’re right! It is frustrating to see such ignorance on parade!
The Supreme Court did nothing to change the illegality of contributions from foreign corporations. One might think that if foreign contributions were a concern, you would have been much more upset at all the obviously phony contributions that Obama received from overseas in his last campaign.

“If students in the US had rioted and killed a guy, fired on the cops with an assault rifle (two were treated for bullet wounds), trashed the neighborhood, and stolen cars, would a police crack-down be appropriate?

Why the double standard?”

Since even the present fascist in the White House hasn’t been anywhere near as oppressive as Chavez, there is no reason for any of that to happen. You do understand cause and effect, don’t you, AV? Your phony hypothetical is not applicable to Americans, so why the double standard?

Things are so much better in Iran now, lying necrophiliac. Educate yourself with some facts, instead of the little voices in your diseased mind:

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/the_islamic_republic_of_torture_rape_and_murder/

Carter made things worse; a lot worse. You lefties are destined for some serious blowback; in fact, it’s already started. Obama is now whining for the Republicans to support his fascist takeover. Too bad.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why will you not do that?

You do support tHugo Chavez rounding up the poor and putting them in labor camps. You told us that those people should just be happy the State lets them live.

No one in the US believes that waterboarding is torture. Sorry.

There you go lying again!
Dude, what is wrong with you?

Why? I’m against any sort of “crowd control” unless there’s legitimate violence. Cops have no problems abusing their power against the little people. This is not to say it doesn’t have it’s place in EXTREMELY limited circumstances.

Your example would be one of the few I support such measures as they’re throwing MOLOTOV COCKTAILS at the cops.

None of the leftists that get on here will ever express regret or remorse for the many times they have supported Chavez and his brutal regime.

It has nothing to do with Chavez and his “regime.”
It has everything to do with the truth, which Jay W. and you seem unable to grasp or intentionally ignore.
Rubber bullets/shotgun rubber pellets are produced in the USA and Israel, and are sold worldwide.
And yes as gruesome as the injuries seem, they are an acceptable method of crowd control.
Every prison and law enforcement agency in the USA has them, and will not hesitate to use them.
Now get a life.

rubber bullets for sale.

Mr Food, Mr Chavez was elected by a majority of Venezuelans, and come the next elections, Venezuelans can elect someone else if they choose. I don’t know why you’re getting your panties in a twist over some dirt-floor poor country in South America. And why do you hate democracy?

As far as this thread goes, some dumb conservatives started a riot and attacked the cops, and subsequently, a few of them came out a little worse-for-wear. Where is your sympathy for the injured cops who put themselves in harms way to protect people and property?

AV:TheF**kingRetard? If the “police” in America where rounding up people and marching them off to labor camps, raping and murdering citizens for their personal entertainment, and selling young girls into slavery, as the “police” of tHugo Chavez are doing in Venezuela everyday, Americans would rise up and wipe them from the face of the Earth

Any proof of the above?
Or should we place it on you drunken stupor file?

kenny makes the point that the leftwing newspapers repudiate torture consistently.

the right in the US does not. period.

if you want to gripe about torture, you need to repudiate it consistently.

chavez is trying to get noticed.
he needs external tensions.
he needs that artificial unity and patriotism it provides.
perhaps his mandate is weigning.

Per robert180 the protesters had it coming because they are totalitarians seeking to impose their will through violence.

Nothing is wrong with my question other than it somehow makes you uncomfortable. Whats the matter E you have a problem with telling the truth?

You know I would answer you, but the post is about torture in Venezuela.
Nice attempt at distraction.
Now if you excuse me I have to take my dog out to piss and shyt.

Those are not pictures of torture. They look like bird shot or rubber bullet injuries.
However I intend to write a letter to Hugo and recommend Guantanamo Bay treatment.
You guys are not opposed to waterboarding, are you?

Students shot in the USA while protesting

You are a liar as I have no friends or beddies in Iran.

Is THAT what happened in Iraq? Well, perhaps if you’re an idiot child with no understanding of history or logic.

Only to a halfwit leftist is enforcing the ceasefire and preventing genocide “advocating for brute force to impose your ideology.” You really are a sick dude, AV. Try rooting for the good guys once in a while.

No one in the US believes that waterboarding is torture. Sorry.

People signed up to be waterboarded. Many people were waterboarded multiple times at demonstrations. I’m sure it’s not orgasmic or anything, but it’s hardly torture. No one signs up to have a finger or toe cut off, or to be burned. That people kept having this done to them, speaks to what it is.

Nothing is wrong with my question other than it somehow makes you uncomfortable. Whats the matter E you have a problem with telling the truth?

If students in the US had rioted and killed a guy, fired on the cops with an assault rifle (two were treated for bullet wounds), trashed the neighborhood, and stolen cars, would a police crack-down be appropriate?

Why the double standard?

Which does not absolve this democrat. Why the double standard E? Why are you a Hypocrite?

I have always said that it was the USA government policy to support those brutal dictators.
I never differentiated between democrat or republican dictator lovers of the USA government.

Kenny, I see you’re still stooping to your usual dishonest lows. You know that two of the links you posted are from 2007 right? And what year is it now?

And why would the corporate media not push a pro-corporate message?

And you also know that Venezuelans voted to abolish presidential term limits just last year? They must really hate Chavez.

And the pictures show mostly white people yet only 21% of Venezuelans are white. They’re just pissed a darker-skinned bloke got elected president. A conservative is a conservative no matter the country it seems.

Per robert180 the protesters had it coming because they are totalitarians seeking to impose their will through violence.
Case solved.

We’ve added many restrictions to the use of the weapon,” he said. “Rubber bullets are still in our arsenal and still have a certain purpose.” He wouldn’t elaborate on what the new restrictions were.

In the study, the scientists documented for each patient which regions of the body were hit, whether the bullets penetrated the flesh, the severity of the injuries, surgeries that were needed and the final outcome.

There were two types of rubber-coated bullets used during the riots.

The first type, recommended for firing at the legs of a specific person from at least 131 feet ( 39 meters) away, is a blunt cylindrical missile composed of three metal cores coated in hard rubber shells. It is fired from a special canister that fits onto the muzzle of a gun. The bullet splits into three after it is shot.

The other bullet type is composed of 15 tiny rubber-covered metal balls packed together into a cartridge. When fired from the recommended distance, they disperse to form a circle about 22 feet (6.5 meters) across. This type of bullet is recommended for use against groups of people.

The researchers found the bullet injuries were randomly distributed all over the body. They were mostly in the limbs, but also frequently found in the head, neck, face and chest.

Bullets that hit the legs caused the least damage, while those that hit the face usually caused the most harm, often permanent.

“This type of inaccurate ammunition — one missile that breaks into three components immediately after firing — and the resulting ricochets evidently make it difficult or impossible to avoid severe injuries to vulnerable body regions such as the head, neck and upper torso,” the study said.

Nearly 60 percent of the bullet wounds were above the belly button, which suggests the police were not always aiming at the legs, the study said.

The researchers determined from the pattern of wounds and bone fractures that bullets were also sometimes fired from close range.

Almost half the injuries were mild, but 35 percent were considered moderately severe wounds and 19 percent were severe.

Three people were blinded and one patient turned psychotic, the study said.

Two people were killed after bullets went through the eyes and pierced the brain, the study found. Another patient died from a complication after surgery.

From the left wing Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/28/venezuelan-protests-polic_n_441098.html

Protests are in response to the shutdown of freedom of speech. Even the HuffPost writes off protestor violence as a response to police force. If these students are right wing loons, why isn’t HP reporting it like that? Hmmm?

The British rubber bullets were designed to be fired at the ground so that they would bounce up and hit the legs of demonstrators. Britain stopped using rubber bullets in Northern Ireland in 1975 in favor of shorter, less inaccurate plastic ones.

Other variations of rubber bullets are used in several countries, including the United States. These include rubber-coated metal bullets, rubber plugs, plastic bullets called baton rounds, and beanbag rounds — fabric beanbags about the size of a tea bag filled with lead pellets.

Each type has a different effect on the human body under different circumstances.

Mike McBride, editor of Jane’s Police and Security Equipment, said the Israeli findings have no bearing on other types of crowd control ammunition.
“There are lots of different manufacturers out there making lots of different types of riot control projectiles,” McBride said.

Baton rounds, or pure plastic bullets, are used in Northern Ireland today. They are lighter, faster and more accurate than their rubber predecessors, McBride said.

“They’ve been used 166 times in Northern Ireland, twice in mainland Britain, and there have been no deaths associated with the use of those,” he said.

In the United States, local police make their own decisions on what to use for crowd control, and methods vary across the country.
The study, conducted by doctors at the Rambam Medical Center at Technion-Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa in northern Israel, involved 152 people who were admitted to hospitals in early October 2000 with a total of 201 wounds from rubber-coated bullets.

Israel says it uses rubber bullets and tear gas as non-lethal methods of crowd control to reduce casualties. However, former police commander Alik Ron told a public hearing last September into the Arabi Israeli riots that police were not trained to use rubber bullets and sometimes shot from a short — and lethal — distance at rioters.

Israeli police spokesman Gil Kleiman said Friday that officials had revised rules on using rubber bullets last year, but they had no plans to stop using the weapon.blockquote>

Yes, step away from the monitor when that vein in your temple starts to throb.

Good point Sparkie, and they love to see left-wing students getting beaten by the cops, but when it is right-wing students it must be torture by the evil govt!?

Wait, I thought we tortured people and, moreover, that you rightwing partisans love that sh*t?!!?
Another thing your party has in common with yet another brutal dictator?
Thanks for posting it.

“You’d still only believe what your leftist idiology allowed you to believe.” — Mr Food
Yep, it makes life tricky wanting actual evidence, it must be easier to simply believe what one wants to believe, based upon their feelings.

But unfortunately I wouldn’t be a very good at R&D if I relied on conservative methods.

And a democrat at that… Telling, very telling and you voted for the democrat Telling, very very telling.

You are full of it here, WHFF.
Here is a different example.
The riots in Korea by the people against their government.
Violent suppresion,not a word from you cons.
Why is that? Why no call for the South Korean government to step down?

Riots in Korea

How about Egypt? What do you think?
protests in Egypt

so tell me E, when you were tuning in your fellow citizens during the Junta, did you used to tell yourself “I’m a good government lackey”?

Were you proud of the services you provided the Colonels, I mean other than delivering dissidents for torture?

Well, let me tell O, these dictators that he USA supported were right wing conservatives.
Something is wrong with your questions, as you frequently accuse me of being a leftist.

I’d also like to point out that my occasional errors, which I always apologize for, hardly give YOU a claim to call me dishonest.

I mean, after all, you are the chump who keeps claiming that I said that Vietnam begged France to colonize them, despite me disproving it.

Run along little boy. Grown ups are talking.

No! I step away from the keyboard to take my dog out to piss and shyt.
You are jealous because I pay more attention to my dog’s needs.
Who wouda thunk it?

Good night WHFF.
Talk to you tomorrow.

The protesters in this instance (in Venezuela) were burning private property, and throwing Molotov cocktails among other things.

Local university students from the notoriously violent right-wing student organization known as the M-13 blocked three of Merida’s major avenues by burning tires and stolen vehicles. Wearing masks, they broke down city walls, looted and burnt local shops, and threw Molotov cocktails and rocks at police over the course of twelve hours.

I am not providing you a link with this, because you need to work on your web SEARCH skills.

In 2006, Chavez got 62.84% of the vote, his main opponent 36.90% .

Carter says it was fair, Mr Food says he is wrong. I may just believe Carter over Mr Food.

I did not call human rights watch liars.
Knowing your past, I questioned the veracity and truthfulness of your claims.
Now, how about that link?

“Local university students from the notoriously violent right-wing student organization known as the M-13 blocked three of Merida’s major avenues by burning tires and stolen vehicles. Wearing masks, they broke down city walls, looted and burnt local shops, and threw Molotov cocktails and rocks at police over the course of twelve hours.
…
State security forces appear to have done little to prevent the repeated riots, and, as was the case yesterday, usually resort to containing them within a geographic area using tear gas and plastic shrapnel, while the downtown area is filled with smoke, gas, traffic, vandalism, and fear.”
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/5104

Sounds like hate-fueled conservatives causing trouble again. They injured 20 police officers too.