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Wednesday, July 04, 2007

Torpedo Squadron Eight

I ran this column two years ago at the old Taking Back North Dakota. This is my favorite column so I thought I’d run it again.

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Have you ever heard of Lt. Commander John Waldron?  That’s him on the left.  He’s a neighbor of sorts as his hometown is Fort Pierce South Dakota.

On the morning of June 4th, 1942, he took off from the USS Hornet leading a squadron of 15 Torpedo bombers known as TB-8.

It was six months since the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor and things were not going well. The American Navy Commander Chester Nimitz had word that the Japanese planned an attack on the island of Midway, 1000 miles West of Hawaii. Nimitz decided to gamble his aircraft carriers in an attempt to ambush the larger Japanese fleet.

Lt Commander Waldron and his planes were the first to arrive at the Japanese fleet. It’s a miracle that any of the squadrons found the Japanese when you consider the information and the navigation tools they had.

Doctrine was that the Torpedo bombers which flew low and slow needed fighter cover. Well the fighters weren’t there so Lt. Commander Waldron and the rest of the crews attacked anyway. The low and slow planes were spotted and the Japanese Zeroes came in to attack. The Zero at the time was a superior fighter to our carrier planes. Their pilots were excellent. But still Torpedo Squadron 8 pressed on. They would have had to worry about the Zeroes and I assume murderous anti-aircraft fire from the Japanese ships.

Some of our guys managed to launch their torpedoes. One of the planes, piloted by George Gay, even flew over one of the Japanese carrier after he launched his torpedo. Every one of the planes in Torpedo Squadron Eight was shot down. George Gay was the only member of the squadron to survive when he was pulled out of the water the next day. The rest of them were lost at sea, their bodies never recovered, including our neighbor John Waldron.

Not one of their torpedoes caused any damage to a Japanese ships.

Soon two other Torpedo Squadrons from the USS Enterprise and USS Yorktown carried out their own attacks without fighter cover. They had a few planes survive, but they also inflicted no damage on the Japanese fleet.

During this time the Japanese fleet was unable to launch their planes. Their decks were full of fueled planes and munitions because of the Torpedo Bomber’s attacks. The Japanese fighter cover was down at the wavetops and low on fuel after dealing with the Torpedo Bombers.

At exactly this time several flights of Dauntless Dive Bombers showed up over the fleet. The Dive Bombers did their job quickly and efficiently. Within minutes three of the Japanese carriers were mortally wounded.

I doubt if any of the men of Torpedo Squadron Eight except for George Gay knew the results of their gallant attack. They did not know that the Dive Bombers were coming. They knew an attack without fighter cover was doomed.

They knew they had a job and they did it.

To sum it up I’m going to quote a great American, Colonel Jeff Cooper. Cooper is a contemporary of Torpedo Squadron Eight. Although a Marine he served as a gunnery officer on a battleship.

“The legendary attack of Torpedo Squadron 8 against the Japanese carrier force sacrificed the entire squadron, but it was not futile. When the Nip combat air patrol came down from aloft to destroy the torpedo planes, Wade McClusky’s dive bombers acquired a free hand and hit the carrier force while the latter was recovering and rearming aircraft. In a space of about five minutes the Japanese lost the war in the Pacific - or the US Navy won it, depending on your viewpoint. When we memorialize Midway, we should honor Torpedo 8 as more gallant perhaps than the Light Brigade at Balaclava, and certainly more effective than the 300 Spartans at Thermopylae. In the words of George Patton, “We should not be sad that such men died. We should be glad that such men lived.”

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As I was reposting this I got to think about the thousands of people who aren’t remembered by name that sacrificed it all for the United States.  Most of these men were doing their jobs and weren’t looking to be a hero.  God Bless them.

More on the Battle of Midway courtesy of Wikipedia.

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I have met George Gay. He came to our highschool for Veterans Day programs a few times. He lived not far from where I grew up in Mississippi. TP-8 did and died, knowing full well that without CAP they were screwed. And the Torpeckers of 8 knew they were going into the sea either way. They had launched first and farthest out, and did not have the fuel to return to the Hornet.

These were not wide eyed innocents. Many of the pilots at Midway were moved to those carriers from the Lexington and Saratoga. They knew full well what a carrier on carrier action in mid ocean entailed.

Glad you posted this again!


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2007 at 06:46 am

I have met George Gay. He came to our highschool for Veterans Day programs a few times.

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The Whistler on July 4, 2007 at 06:50 am

I believe he has since passed. Here is a good link for Navy history.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2007 at 07:00 am

So 2H, I’ve always assumed that he figured he was either going to be shot by the Japs while he was in the ocean, captured or drowned at sea.  Is that right?

Also what did he say about the moment when the three Jap carriers got hit?


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The Whistler on July 4, 2007 at 07:03 am
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I was part of an Airgroup on the USS Yorktown during the Korean war.  Our ship was named after the first Yorktown which was damaged in the battle of Midway and was sunk a day or so later by a sub torpedo.  Our ship carried the proud tradition of the original Yorktown--it now floats in the bay as a tourist attraction at Charleston, SC.  Good story.  The battle of Midway is one of the U.S. Navy’s greatest victories.

halatbis on July 4, 2007 at 07:11 am

In my opinion it’s the greatest Naval victory we had.  But then I’m not an expert. 

I mean to visit the Yorktown someday.  I’ve got some relatives down that way, but it would still be a drive from where we stay.


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The Whistler on July 4, 2007 at 07:14 am

BTW, thank you for what you did H.


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The Whistler on July 4, 2007 at 07:14 am

"The most terrifying and exhilarating thing I ever saw.” I believe was how he put it. As any Navy man will tell you, watching a ship die, even an enemy ship, is a saddening thing to see. Especially close up.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2007 at 07:15 am

Our ship carried the proud tradition of the original Yorktown--it now floats in the bay as a tourist attraction at Charleston, SC.  Good story.

I visited it on a 4th grade school trip back in ‘89.

likwidshoe on July 4, 2007 at 07:16 am

Halatbis,

Thank you for your service, Sir!


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Bat One on July 4, 2007 at 08:48 am

Whistle...This a cool post! Thanks man.

Zsa Zsa on July 4, 2007 at 05:50 pm

Toot, in actual tactical terms I have always felt that Leyte Gulf was the more important victory. Had the jeep carrier force not run a major bluff on the Japanese force our invasion of the Philippines would have been greatly hindered, if not driven off. Sprague had escort carriers and destroyers with balls the size of church bells, and they engaged and drove off the main Japanese attack force.

Here, don’t let me spoil it. This is a good piece on it. Halsey had his shit blowing in the wind, and Oldendorf thought he had broke the main enemy force. Everyone had egg on their face, and the destroyers of Taffy 3 were the heroes of that fight.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2007 at 08:17 pm

2H, I too am an ardent student of WWII history.  As I remember from my readings, the Jap force at Leyte was dramatically superior to our forces with battleships but no carriers.  The Jap bombarment from the big battleship guns caused minimal damage on our Jeep carriers because the armor piercing shells went through their wooden decks and thin hulls without exploding.  However, it was largely the harrassment of our destroyers that made the Japs withdraw.


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docdave on July 4, 2007 at 08:30 pm

You guys have great points but consider that we were betting our last three carriers in the Pacific against a superior force and won.

In the case of Midway it was the best force we could have mustered at that time and place.  And it was their best force.

I was also always impressed that it was barely six months since Pearl Harbor.


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The Whistler on July 4, 2007 at 08:38 pm

Being able to read the Japs mail certainly played a large role in not only Midway but throughout the war.  We nailed Yamamoto because of knowing his plans and that was a very big loss for Japan.


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docdave on July 4, 2007 at 08:44 pm

Yep, more unsung heroes. 

In fact our ability to read the japs mail cost Yamamoto his not all that much later.


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The Whistler on July 4, 2007 at 08:56 pm

Had we lost Midway the tactical situation would not have been as severe as having the invasion force for the Philippines heavily damaged or driven off to the base at Uilithi. The Jap carrier borne forces were essentially destroyed by that point, though their land based aircraft had sufficient reach and strike capability to inflict major damage.

And DD, you are correct. Sprague’s carriers were derisively called jeep carriers, used mainly to transport equipment and supplies. They had only limited aircraft, and many of them were light armed recon birds. The rest were armed for close air support, not for trading body blows with ships of the line. Oldendorf’s PT Boats hammered the force approaching from the southern passage, Sprague’s destroyers engaged ships of the line at close quarters, inflicted heavy damage, and payed the butchers bill.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2007 at 08:59 pm

Those were the days when men were men and the women were glad of it.


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docdave on July 4, 2007 at 09:01 pm

After the war Kurita said that the aggressive action of the destroyers convinced him that the American main fleet was steaming to engage, because Japanese destroyers would never have fought so fiercely without heavy metal to back them up. Again superior, aggressive fighting spirit carried the fight against a numerically superior force.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2007 at 09:10 pm

Just as at Midway.


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2Hotel9 on July 4, 2007 at 09:11 pm

Had we lost Midway the tactical situation would not have been as severe as having the invasion force for the Philippines heavily damaged or driven off to the base at Uilithi.

We could have lost Midway, but we couldn’t have afforded to lose the three carriers. 

Now losing the battle of Leyte Gulf would have caused no end of trouble, but we would have still conquered the Philippines.  There would have been far more casualties of course.

Certainly I’m not saying that Leyte Gulf wasn’t a great victory and that the Navy forces there didn’t do a heroic job.


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The Whistler on July 4, 2007 at 09:24 pm
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Y’all didn’t see THAT Yorktown, but rather its replacement.  The original was sunk after Midway while being towed to port.

Robert Perry on July 5, 2007 at 12:29 pm

With Lik you just don’t know.


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The Whistler on July 5, 2007 at 12:39 pm

RP, yes, we know that. And I am fairly certain Lik does to.

Toot, one point that is often overlooked is that American carrier-based planes had the legs of Japanese aircraft. That point is why American planes were able to span a much larger volume of space than the Nippon aircraft. Even had our carrier-based planes not hammered the Nippon carriers, only Yorktown was within their fan. Fletcher, after taking the initial Betty strikes and sustaining damage, continued to move Yorktown farther into the Jap fan. Thus drawing further attacks to his Flag, while Hornet re-armed and fueled, likewise Enterprise, both taking planes that had managed to find them at the extreme edge of their fuel cap. Fletcher was forced to remove his flag to a cruiser(I believe the Cincinnati, don’t quote me on that)thus placing Spruance in tactical command of the 2 remaining carriers. Which he prudently moved to the east, out of the Nippon fan, and also condemning quite a few American planes to splash at their fuel limit. Spruance ordered the remaining aircraft to prepare for engagement, though darkness preempted their launch.

Unknown to Spruance or Fletcher, the Nippon carrier force was broken, their surface forces withdrawing to the west rapidly. And yet, Leyte Gulf was a far more important action, tactically speaking.


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2Hotel9 on July 5, 2007 at 08:03 pm
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