“Tolerance” Doesn’t Mean Driving Religion From The Public Square


An unfortunate facet of very holiday season is the “War on Christmas,” both real and imagined. Some of it is over sensitivity. Some of it is an actual effort to expunge religion from the season. It can all get a little silly. And tiresome.

But one part of this annual debate that fascinates me is how often “tolerance” is invoked as a justification for stripping away the religious connotations from holiday events and displays. Case in point, in Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chaffee has canceled his state’s Christmas tree lighting ceremony because people objected to his renaming the “holiday tree.”

Why did he rename it? Because of the tolerance.

Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee has pulled the plug on the state’s annual tree lighting ceremony one year after he created a yuletide controversy by changing its name to a “holiday” tree.

The governor’s spokeswoman did not give a reason for the decision. But last year his office was flooded with thousands of telephone calls protesting the name change. Many citizens accused the Independent governor of trying to secularize Christmas.

At the time, Chafee said the name change was meant to honor the state’s origin as a sanctuary of religious tolerance.

People these days have a funny definition of “tolerance,” it seems. To me tolerance has always meant that you allow something to be, even if you don’t personally approve of it. Applying to that to the “War on Christmas” debate, shouldn’t tolerance mean that we’re going to accept that this is predominantly religious holiday, even if not everyone subscribes to that particular religion?

How does removing religious references and symbolism from the holiday season so that a vocal and easily-offended minority don’t have to see or hear them promote tolerance? Shouldn’t that work the other way around? Shouldn’t said minority tolerate the free expression of religion this time of year?

These debates always focus on religion in the public square. Christmas trees at state capitols. Christmas pageants in schools. The argument is that religion shouldn’t be in public spaces because it’s offensive to those who aren’t religion. Or, at least, aren’t of the religion in question. But that’s a patently intolerant view.

Of course religion should be in the public space. All religions should be welcomed into the public square. Because that, my friends, is what tolerance really is.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters.

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  • mikemc1970

    “Tolerance.” It means something different to leftists than it does to the rest of the human population on this planet. When a normal human being says they want to see more tolerance, it means they want different people from different backgrounds and cultures to get along despite the differences in language or politics or religious beliefs. When a leftist says they want to see more tolerance it means they want people to march in lock goose step with their political ideology or be labeled intolerant.

    • $8194357

      deceptions spin.
      The thing called by another name..

  • HG

    Religion, especially Christianity, played a huge role in America’s founding. Acknowledging that reality is one way of honoring our heritage and doesn’t establish Christianity as a state religion any more than acknowledging Halloween establishes paganism or whatever ism or religion one might associate with ghoulish revelry.

    • $8194357

      In “Diversity Tolerant secular religion”
      the Jews and Christians must be forever banished from the land..
      Just coincidence this is/has been lucifers agendas as well since Christ acendeded
      with His Promise to Return, huh.

  • SigFan

    There are none so intolerant as the oh-so tolerant liberals. As long as you agree with them you’re cool – deviate from their program though and you’re a racisthaterbigotsexistintolerantoldrichwhiteguy – or something.

  • WOOF

    Today at Alah Akhbar Middle School will be a reading of Koranic verse,
    the pledge of allegiance and the distribution of begging bowls
    for those students who, today, elect to ask for luncheon alms
    from the community, as Buddhist monks would.

    Don’t forget to return permission slips for the class trip to
    the Druid worship services in Pagan National Park.

    • http://sayanything.flywheelsites.com Rob

      I don’t think you can win this argument by reducing it to the absurd.

      There are ways to recognize all religions in the public square without needing to descend into a circus.

  • Thresherman

    ,Our nation was founded on the principal of religious freedom and now the leftnuts are trying to change that to religious tolerence. The difference between the two could hardly be more extreme.
    Religious freedom means that you are free to practice your religion as you wish, within the bounds of accepted law. In other words you can believe that Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac because the Lord commanded it, but we are not going to allow you to duplicate that with you own son.
    But religious tolerence means that you must restrict you beliefs in order to tolerate those of other creeds. In other words, one religious group must submit to the religious desires of another group. As demonstrated in this country, the religious freedom of Christians must be restricted so not to offend athists and Muslims. However, religious tolerence as expressed in this country is a one way street, care must be taken not to offend Muslims but offending Christians is a 1st Amendment right,
    When confronted with an upset minority, no matter how unreasonable the claim, the leftnuts think that everyone else should immediately drop trou and grab their ankles. However, should you stand on YOUR religious beliefs in defiance of this, then you sir, are a hater and worse than Hitler.
    So as we can see, to the leftnuts, freedom is something that should made to submit to the desires of others, which pretty much negates the idea of freedom at all.

    • $8194357

      It is what it is and has been..
      The total silencing of the Lambs..

  • headward

    Funny how they don’t mind the federal Christmas holiday with days off. People are just stupid.

    • $8194357

      Blind Dumb.

  • ‘Tom Crawford

    I like this one and it gets to the point as well……


    As Brad Stine says….If you don’t like me saying Merry Christmas……..PUT A HELMET ON……it’s my Country too….

    • $8194357

      Awesome !

  • borborygmi

    Religion shouldn’t be expunged from the public square, as long as all Religions are able to display..It shouldn’t be stricken from the public schools either, as long as all Religions are discussed, perhaps a religious leader per month, Christian Denominations to WiccaPagan to Atheist/Agnostic and everything in between. I can’t imagine the out rage in Bible Belt Country when an Islamic Imam comes in to teach the kiddies.

    • http://sayanything.flywheelsites.com Rob

      I agree with this general sentiment.

      We should embrace religion, and learn about it, not try to sweep it under the carpet.

      In my personal spiritual journey, which continues to this day, I spent a lot of time studying the various religions (I was raised in a Lutheran home). I ultimately decided that I am an atheist, but I have a deep and abiding respect for many of the philosophies espoused by the various religions, not to mention the many good works they do.

      • Neiman

        I sincerely and absolutely believe that you truly mean and represent exactly what you said above, which is praiseworthy. The problem is, if you are wrong, when you face God on Judgment Day, he will not credit you with honesty, or decency, respect for others or good deeds of any kind. As you know most Christians believe, based on that journey of yours, it will only matter whether or not you accepted Jesus as Lord.

        A lot of good, nice, kind, generous people will, as I understand the Christian faith, still end up in everlasting suffering for denying Christ. I think of an old, very nice couple (hypothetical), everyone admired them, they were what we all would like to be as neighbors and citizens, but they will upon their deaths, absent saving faith in Christ still be in hell. Yet, a lot of people that were rather rotten folk on earth, did a lot of bad things and people we would think surely deserve hell, will wake up in the presence of Christ because at one time in their lives, they sincerely accepted Jesus as their Savior and Lord and that saving faith got them home safely, redeemed and changed into children of God.

        Just thought that was necessary to make clear.

        • borborygmi

          “A lot of good, nice, kind, generous people will, as I understand the Christian faith, still end up in everlasting suffering for denying Christ.”

          Yep like those evil Mormons. And all those born before Christianity.

          • Neiman

            You are really on an antichristian tirade today.

            All those born before Christianity had knowledge of God and chose to reject Him, wherein they could have found salvation.

            It is simple, I know you don’t like it because it interferes with your many lusts, but that is what the Bible tells us, it is what God tells us; either a person accepts God’s free salvation in Christ Jesus alone, or rejecting that offer, no matter how good they are in this life, they choose perdition by a free will choice, like you.

          • borborygmi

            “All those born before Christianity had knowledge of God and chose to reject Him, wherein they could have found salvation” Does that include the unborn, stillborn, the just born and very young? Even those that God had killed?

          • Neiman

            “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. 3 ‘Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and
            sheep, camel and donkey,” (1 Samuel 15:2-3).

            The Amalekites, who were descendents of Esau, had been longtime enemies of Israel. They fought against Israel at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8).Apparently, they “entertained a deep-seated grudge against them, especially as the rapid prosperity and marvelous experience of Israel showed that the blessing contained in the birthright [Jacob and Esau] was taking effect.” They were a constant threat to Israel. Therefore, God said to Moses in Exodus 17:14 “Write this in a book as a memorial, and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”

            God lawfully has the right to execute judgment upon anyone. The Bible says that all people have sinned against God and are under his righteous judgment. Therefore, their execution is not an arbitrary killing nor is it murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is the lawful taking of life. For example, we can lawfully take a life in
            defense of our selves, our families, our nations, etc.

            When God authorizes the nation of Israel to wipe out a people, it is a lawful execution due to their rebellion and sin against God. Furthermore, such an extermination can be seen to be merciful by delivering the young into the hands of the Lord and possibly saving their souls by not giving them time to become “utterly sinful”. Additionally, further generations that would have arisen from the
            perverse culture, are likewise prevented from coming into existence andspreading their sin.

            Finally, one of the reasons that the Lord is so strong in the Old Testament and orders the killing of people is to ensure that the future messianic line would remain intact. The enemy, Satan, began his attempt to destroy God’s people in the Garden of Eden, by also trying to corrupt the world (which led to Noah’s Flood), by trying to destroy Israel with attacking armies, and by encouraging Israel to fall into idolatry by exposure to other cultures as well as intermarrying women from those cultures. The result of both the idolatry and the interbreeding would have been the failure of the prophecies that foretold of the coming Messiah which specified which family line the Messiah would come through. The Messiah, Jesus, would be the one who would die for the sins of the world and without that death there would be no atonement. Without the atonement, all people would be lost. So, God was ensuring the arrival of the Messiah via the destruction of the ungodly.

            If God be the potter and we the clay, how does the clay dare say to the potter, you must do this or that and not do this or that? Does the potter not have the right to honor or destroy the vessels of His hands, and who are we to reason with Him, not being able to know His Will and Perfect Wisdom? Let it be known that whatever God has done was in love, for the good of His children, all His children and He is not subject to your counsel.

          • borborygmi

            The best things for the Amelakites children is to save them by killing them. Awesome. Same reason they burnt witches and heretics at the stake to save them. Yet it isn’t really isn’t arbitrary because you know it is God. He wants them dead they die. You still end up with dead babies, in the womb out of the womb, they are dead. And it wasn’t arbitrary it was premeditated for a good cause.

            Now if the parents were all dead the Israelis couldn’t adopt and take care of the young? Why abort that baby adopt. Why execute that baby adopt?

            “Additionally, further generations that would have arisen from the perverse culture, are likewise prevented from coming into existence and spreading their sin.” Wow that is what many thought about the American Indian. “The only good Indian is a dead one” They will just grow up to be a white killing Indian.”

          • borborygmi

            “Let it be known that whatever God has done was in love, for the good of His children, all His children.”. Yeah Killing them was love.

            “So, God was ensuring the arrival of the Messiah via the destruction of the ungodly”……… I hope you sleep well knowing that children, babies died to save your ass.

    • Neiman

      I suppose exactly equal time, equal spaces for messages, equal volume loudspeakers, etc?

      From the time we were founded no such vision of the Constitution was ever expressed by any of our Founding Fathers. It was almost exclusively Christian and they had no problems with that formula, even buying Christian bibles to be used in all public schools to teach morality, which they thought essential for liberty.

      Your antichristian values were not shared by our founders.

      • $8194357

        Tru that Neiman..
        The “real tolerance” of our founding
        has allowed this evil to rise..
        Christ like “turn the other cheek”,
        if your enemy wants your cloak give it to him
        taken just as the marxist PC crowd knew it would to the
        “extreme” they needed to destroy Jesus as they crucified the Lord…
        (but He Rose to Return)
        VENGENCE is MINE sayeth the Lord of Hosts
        The Days of Grace come to a close soon, huh…

        • borborygmi

          We are trying to speed those days up so you can meet you maker sooner then later. You should be ecstatic.

          • $8194357

            One small ever so slight mistake
            from the leftist apoligist once again, gurgle.

            HIS timing…
            Not mine/yours or lucifers…

          • borborygmi

            The Days of Grace come to a close soon…..This statement seems to indicate you know the time……or are you just wishing?

          • $8194357

            Your projection again, and as always your bias is showing almost
            as bad as Barry’s anti Constitutional hatred of America..

      • borborygmi

        Perhaps but all religions should be allowed to practice according to Thomas Jefferson. I will find the quote from Thomas Jefferson’s writings when I get to my library. It sounds as if you are intolerant of other Religions. All Religions are welcome but only if Christianity set the Rules? How very tolerant of you.

        “I suppose exactly equal time, equal spaces for messages, equal volume loudspeakers, etc?”
        Why not? Are you afraid of knowledge, information. Do you wish to control the dissemination of knowledge and information other points of view? Or is it a question of ratio/percentages. This many are Christian so they get this much time and so forth until the obscure get maybe a minute and a half at lower volume?

        • Neiman

          I hate to tell you moosebreath, but it was CHRISTIANS – YES – CHRISTIANS that enshrined religious liberty in the Constitution, as they had suffered persecution in other lands, including Islamic lands.

          But, it is noteworthy that your antichristian bias is really on display today.

          • borborygmi

            Yet you wish to put a stop to it. Amazing. You didn’t give me the ratio that you thought would be fair. Equal obviously didn’t meet your approval.. All animals are equal except some are more equal then others. Does the Theocracy you envision have a pastor as the leader or just a deeply Christian Man, no doubt needing approval by you.

          • Neiman

            What utter nonsense! You are losing your mind, oops you are a liberal, already lost it.

            1. I am for freedom of religion, not for some liberal idea of equal outcome, a communist religious vision, but simply freedom of religion and that means if most the people hold to one faith, it will predominate in the public square, the others rejected.

            2. Equal results is a Communist ideal that is unrealistic and stupid. We in America only offer equality of opportunity. If your favorite non-christian religion makes an appearance and no one shows up or tries to compete and are ignored, that is equal opportunity.

            3. You disappoint me in your many lies today, you know I have never advocated for a theocracy, until Jesus returns and rules the earth. There is a vast difference as our Founding Fathers envisioned America wherein every faith has equal access to the public square, and where Christians are not only free, but these same Christians were encouraged to only choose and vote only for Christians in elective office, but wherein many other faiths, as we see in Congress today, are holding office and are free to do so without qualification.

            4. If you mean by approval, I will not vote for non-Christians and will only vote among them for those that share my Christian values, that is true and I would be unfaithful and bordering on insane not to do so.

            5. You cannot assign a fair ratio when all have equal access, but not all will have equal results. In America, religion aside, that is all we promise – equal opportunity, equal access, NEVER equality of outcome, which is what you liberals want with your redistributive wealth policies to rob the rich and successful to support the bone lazy and irresponsible.

          • borborygmi

            FROM The Writings of Thomas Jefferson;Chapter The Autobiography:

            let me repeat the one part “the insertion was rejected by a great majority, ” let me parse again “rejected by a GREAT MAJORITY”not a few, not a minority not even a small majority but a GREAT MAJORITY REJECTED the insertion of Jesus Christ in the preamble. Why because all beliefs were to be included. It doesn’t say anything about excluding but including. It appears that the founders wanted everyone included even the Infidels…..

          • borborygmi

            wow that didn’t work out
            ,FROM The Writings of Thomas Jefferson;Chapter The Autobiography: Where the preamble declares, the coercion is a departure from the plans of the holy author or our religion,an amendment was proposed,by inserting the words”Jesus Christ”, so that it read” a departure form the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion”; the insertion was rejected by a great majority , in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, and the Infidel of every denomination.

            Let me repeat the one part “the insertion was rejected by a great majority, ” to parse again “rejected by a GREAT MAJORITY”not a few, not a minority not even a small majority but a GREAT MAJORITY REJECTED the insertion of Jesus Christ in the preamble. Why because all beliefs were to be included. It doesn’t say anything about excluding but including. It appears that the founders wanted everyone included even the Infidels.

          • Onslaught1066

            Don’t sweat it, we all know what a retard you are.

          • Neiman

            I use to have some respect for you, but boy are you getting dumber by the day.

            I said that it was because of Christians, which a majority of our Founding Fathers were, that freedom of “religion” was in the Bill of Rights. So, you only proved what I said earlier to be true.

            Your Christ hatred is not getting you anywhere, better go on to another thread where you stand a better chance of saying something intelligent.

    • $8194357

      Still mad at the Almighty gurgle?
      Won’t matter in a hundred years huh.

      • borborygmi

        No not really./ I have doubts , questions. Logic doesn’t meld well with Faith. I really have no trouble with spirituallity but I do with religion. Man creates religion. Some is great since rules are set down for behavior which was/is needed. Don’t eat pork. Why because undercooked pork could make you ill. Don’t lie because the interdependence of man, his existence is based on trust of his fellow man. It is the bending of the rules in the pursuit of power that is a pain. A lot of basic morality is relative to the situation ,what if , buts.. Don’t lie but if the lie saves someones life perhaps that lying isn’t so bad. Don’t kill except in time of war, defense, execution, protection….
        The Bible, man decided which books were to be included. Divinely inspired man? Perhaps but then perhaps just self serving man.

        • $8194357

          ( Logic doesn’t meld well with Faith)

          One is mans wisdom and understanding and the other Gods.

          2 Corinthians 1:11-13

          New King James Version (NKJV)

          11 you also helping together in prayer for us, that thanks may be given by many persons on our[a] behalf for the gift granted to us through many.

          Paul’s Sincerity

          12 For our boasting is this:
          the testimony of our conscience that we conducted ourselves in the world in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom but by the grace of God, and more abundantly toward you.

          13 For we are not writing any other things to you than what you read or understand. Now I trust you will understand, even to the end

          Faith and Godly Wisdom combine…

          Romans 10:16-18

          New King James Version (NKJV)

          16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel.
          For Isaiah says,
          “Lord, who has believed our report?”[a]
          17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

          18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

          “Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
          And their words to the ends of the world.”[b]

          Left with no excuses according to God..
          The Days of Grace will end with His Second Coming
          the way Israel was looking for Him the first time…
          The Lion of the tribe of Judea..

          God Bless and Keep ya now, Hear?

          • borborygmi

            The best thing I have seen that you or Neiman wrote
            is not a religion. I assume you believe he is a way of life and a way to afterlife. It is simple and straightforward and as close to pure spirituality. I read a story in Time along time ago about Jesus. The one point the author made was believe in him or not as the Savior there was something about this young man that had men drop what they were doing leave their families and jobs and earthly treasures behind to follow him. From that following came a great Religion. That givesme pause

          • $8194357

            Pause by all means.
            seek ye His Kingdom
            while it yet may be found…
            “the force” be with you..
            (Grace and Spiritual Truth)

    • sbark

      Islam is an ideology not a religion, much like Liberalism who has “come in to teach the kiddies” for decades as a means of ingraining that ideology in our youth.
      Anything that ties itself to Sharia Law and all it contains cannot be a religion in the sense of the word. Now it can be a religion in the same sense of Liberalism, similar to their push of Global Warming………….ie an avenue of power and control. In that vein Liberalism and Islam are full of religious zealots that are pro-active.
      Show me one instance where Christians have been anything but simply reactive to the push on abortion, gay rights, recent birth control………the Christian right is always just reactive to another further left push.

      • $8194357


      • borborygmi

        Is Judaism, Mormonism, Buddhist, Hindu also just ideology. What is your

        definition of Religion. A deity or deities are involved in all.

        Reactive vs ProActive, I am not sure any religion is proactive. Even when the Christian burned the women for witches I guess you could call them reactive. Same with the Spanish Inquistion. Even the Reformation was reactive. Atheists are reactive to Religion. Agnostics are sitting on the fence so I don’t know if they can be reactive. The left is reactive to the right and vice versa. A simple question does the right want to be in Power? Why
        Sharia law punishing the thief by cutting off the head albeit midievel is reactive to the thief stealing, stoning reactive punishment for a sin.
        Religion has been the avenue for power many times in history. Christians can’t even agree who are the true Christians. Muslims are divided into at least two sects. As Neiman and yourself has made clear religions can’t tolerate other religions. It would be against your faith bound principles from which you have your moral compass but from which if you stray off the narrow path eternal damnation is yours. Would you let a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist explain their Religion to your kids. How about a Mormon Deacon , or a Roman Priest or a Evangelical Pastor explain their Religion to your kids.

        • sbark

          ………Judaism, Mormonism, Buddhist, Hindu…………dont see them with a only ultimate goal of the complete destruction of Israel, and then also bringing on the 12th Iman to complete the end of the world…….do you?
          so then the only pre-active religion is those of Liberalism…….and those zealots of Global Warming, Abortion, Big Govt are the most extreme there are.

  • Neiman

    Tolerance is the disgraceful asylum for the morally dissolute. In truth, a call or plea for tolerance is most often an intolerant demand that, particular perverse attitudes or behavior be approved by an individual or society, which acts and thoughts in previous times and social settings, would have been considered wicked and unspeakable

    There is I regret to say, an annoyingly loud and most abhorrent “hue and cry” from
    within the extremist left-wing, liberal “establishment” in the United States today for – “Tolerance!” These modern, ultra-liberal apostles of secularism assert at every opportunity that all tolerance is good and all acts of intolerance are bad! If you’ll forgive me for saying so, this public demand for universal tolerance, as touching almost every social and political issue, is at best a most hypocritical position on the part of these secular humanist minded folk.

    • $8194357

      What is politicaly correct indeed changes from decade to decade..
      What is Biblicaly correct stays the same from everlasting to everlasting..

      • Neiman

        Yes, absolutely true.

        • borborygmi

          such as killing kids at Gods Command.

          • Neiman

            Oh don’t worry, 7p62 and I don’t forget you liberals have murdered over 50 million helpless, innocent babies and are still killing them.

          • borborygmi

            Its a travesty no doubt. Kids, babies shouldn’t be killed even when God orders it to be done.

          • Neiman

            Ah, the non-believer telling God he is wrong. When your and your pals stop murdering babies and repent for your mass murders, then maybe your criticisms of God can be taken seriously.

          • jl

            You mean like Muslims do? I thought so.

          • borborygmi

            Or the US military. We can swap atrocity for atrocity if you wish to go down that path.. What do you want to start with Crusades? Sand Creek, Carpet Bombing? Mai Lai? Hiroshima ,Nagasaki. War is moral relativity at its best. Wait I am sorry that is just collateral damage.
            Religious people who have killed children because they had been an affront to God or they are demon possessed. They are doing it out of love.

  • $8194357

    When the “void” is created?

    Painting Depicts Obama as Crucified Christ

    Posted on November 27, 2012 by Conservative Byte

    A painting that features President Obama posed as Jesus Christ crucified on is on display at a community college art gallery in Boston.

    The painting by Michael D’Antuono is part of a larger exhibit called “Artists on the Stump – the Road to the White House 2012.” It’s on display at the Bunker Hill Community College Art Gallery until Dec. 15th.

    The painting is called “Truth” – and shows the president with his arms outstretched. A crown of thorns rests on his head.

    It was originally supposed to debut nearly four years ago at New York City’s Union Square. But that event was cancelled due to public outrage.

    “I always regretted cancelling my exhibit in New York because I feel my First Amendment rights should override someone’s hurt feelings,” D’Antuono told Fox News. “We should celebrate the fact that we live in a country where we are given the freedom to express ourselves.”

    Continue Reading on radio.foxnews.com …

    Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2012/11/painting-depicts-obama-as-crucified-christ/#ixzz2DRwc3g9X

  • http://randerings.blogspot.com Dawn

    “Of course religion should be in the public space. All religions should be welcomed into the public square. Because that, my friends, is what tolerance really is.” Perfectly said – thank you.

  • http://thepoliticalinformer.com/ John-Pierre Maeli

    However, tolerance in general is over rated. People yell and proclaim tolerance and then get screwed by Leftists and Islamists. Only the righteous people in society are tolerant. The rest use it to their own agenda.

  • http://randerings.blogspot.com Dawn

    North Carolina college tells student group it cannot sell “Christmas” trees. http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/college-students-cant-sell-christmas-trees.html

  • Waski_the_Squirrel

    This is all really silly, but one question I might ask is why government tax dollars are spent on holiday decorations at all? Chaffee may have inadvertently taken the Libertarian route.

    • jl

      Cause it’s a “government” holiday.

  • $8194357

    God’s word bearing fruit in those who reiceve it…
    Or “secular ideologies indoctrinations”?

    Christ in you…Your Hope for Glory!

    Colossians 3:14-17

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    14 But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection.
    15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts,
    to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.
    16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
    17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus,
    giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

  • $8194357

    Romans 10:16-18

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”[a]
    17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:

    “Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
    And their words to the ends of the world.”[b]

    John 15:21-23

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.
    22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.
    23 He who hates Me hates My Father also.

  • Matthew Hawkins

    So the President goes out for a Christmas tree lighting. Should he also go out to light a menorah for Hannukah? Would you be comfortable with the President involved in a Hindu ceremony? How about Buddism? What about Islam?

    I don’t have a problem with putting religious displays on government property as long as the rent for those displays is paid for at fair market value and every organization, either religious or secular can rent the same or similar space.

  • $8194357

    How does ‘this’ fit in western civalization?

    It can’t…It won’t…It will dominate the liberal mindsets..


    Truth in advertising does not apply to the MSM with its “ideological” global agendas..
    This going on around the globe and here in the USA as well.



    So what does the MSM headline?
    Waggin the global dog..


    What does ‘your’ Bible say about further blood sacrifices
    being needed after the Perfect Sacrifice was made?

    Because the Spirit is Truth..
    His Blood shed for all who will but accept it.

    1 Peter 1:1-3

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    Greeting to the Elect Pilgrims

    1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
    To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

    2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

    Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

    A Heavenly Inheritance

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    1 John 1:6-8

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness,
    we lie and do not practice the truth.

    7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

    8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    1 John 5:5-7

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

    The Certainty of God’s Witness

    6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.

    7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

    Revelation 1:4-6

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    Greeting the Seven Churches

    4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

    Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,

    5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.

    To Him who loved us and washed[a] us from our sins in His own blood,

    6 and has made us kings[b] and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

    Revelation 17:5-10

    New King James Version (NKJV)

    5 And on her forehead a name was written:


    6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.

    The Meaning of the Woman and the Beast

    7 But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

    8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.[a]

    9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom:
    The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

    10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.

    End quote…
    And thru the spilling of blood they prepare the way for the mahdi/12th iman
    to take rule over the world…
    The ground must be cleansed with Jewish, Christian and infedel blood..
    Ever see em slaughter a camel?
    alla akbar dude.

  • banjo kid

    The moral majority is tired of being not being tolerated .