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Thursday, March 06, 2008


Times Square Military Recruiting Center Bombed

With tension between left-wing groups and recruiters rising it’s not hard to imagine who might be responsible for this:

  An explosive device damaged a military recruiting station in Times Square early Thursday, and police blocked off the area to investigate.

  The explosive device caused minor damage, and no one was injured, police said. The explosion shattered a glass entryway. …

  Witnesses staying at a hotel in the area said they heard a “big bang” and could feel the building shake. A large plume of smoke was also visible after the explosion, they said.

If this does turn out to be the action of left-wing extremists I’m blaming the Democrats.  Not because I think any mainstream Democrat politician condones bombing recruiting centers, but because they’ve condoned groups like Code Pink (remember Howard Dean and Jack Murtha posing for pictures with them?  remember the Democrats giving Code Pink tickets to Bush’s inauguration so they could heckle him?) who instigate this sort of nonsense.  It’s groups like Code Pink that have been trying to run the Marines out of Berkeley.  How much of a leap is it from their accusations of “baby killer” to vandalism and bombings?

Attacks on recruiters have been escalating all over the country.  If the Democrats supported the troops as much as they claim too, they’d call off the dogs by disavowing groups like Code Pink and people who spout their kind of hateful rhetoric.

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Code Pink has not done anything illegal so to compare them with bombers is ridiculous.

Hawk on March 6, 2008 at 10:49 am

Think of a
recruiting office
like an abortion clinic.

People of absolutist
beliefs detonate bombs.

True believers.

WOOF on March 6, 2008 at 11:11 am
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If the Democrats supported the troops as much as they claim too, they’d call off the dogs by disavowing groups like Code Pink and people who spout their kind of hateful rhetoric.

Agreed.  Who is going to ask that Republicans call of the dogs by disavowing right-wing radio shows that spout their kind of hateful rhetoric???

Nothing like a big ol piece of hypocrisy pancake to get the morning started.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 11:14 am

Ahh, the violent leftie thugs, er, “peace activists”. /sarcasm


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robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 11:19 am

Code Pink has not done anything illegal—is that why I’ve seen pictures of their activists being removed by police from the scene?

You know, I could take you a little more seriously, Hawk, if your comments bore at least some semblance to reality.

Bike Bubba on March 6, 2008 at 11:40 am
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s that why I’ve seen pictures of their activists being removed by police from the scene?

What scene and where is the charge? 

Have them demonstrated peacefully and been removed by police for causing a disturbance?  Probably, but there is a great tradidtion of peacefully protesting this way.  Have they been violent in any way?  No.  It is irresponsible to compare Code Pink to bombers.

Hawk on March 6, 2008 at 11:44 am
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It is irresponsible to compare Code Pink to bombers.

Im not sure Rob was doing that. 

What was stupid was holding the Dems responsible and then illogically jumping to possible conclusions by creating a causal relationship between Code Pink and the bombing.

Do you think he thnks similarly about Radio-show hosts who rail against other organizations like the ACLU?  Nope.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 11:52 am
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It

’s groups like Code Pink that have been trying to run the Marines out of Berkeley.  How much of a leap is it from their accusations of “baby killer” to vandalism and bombings?

My bad, yes he was making a comparison.  I hope he is wrong.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 11:55 am

Demonstrations are meant to intimidate, and are thus violent, even if they don’t directly involve physical violence.  Code Pink foments violence.
The entire concept of “demonstration” is designed to force minority views on the majority.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 11:55 am
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they’d call off the dogs

Just like the Republicans called off the dogs when Timothy McViegh, a rightwing radical, blew up the Federal Building in Oklahomo. They called off all the skinheads, the neo-Nazis, the militant gun freaks, the KKK, the abortion clinic bombers, and all the other rightwing hate groups who always vote Republican.

This is probably a rightwing hit job, disguised as a leftwing hit job, intended to cause political problems for the Democrats. Probably ordered by Karl Rove.

Socialist on March 6, 2008 at 11:58 am

robert108.  Well put.  I do not accuse code pink of this bombing, but whoever did this should be tried as an illegal enemy combatant.


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Um, Socialist, “call of the dogs” means “call off your own dogs.”  I have yet to hear of a GOP officeholder speaking to any of the groups you mention—they leave that to Senator Byrd, D-KKK-WV.  (unless you call the NRA those “militant gun freaks,” and that case, you’ve STILL implicated the Democrats, who also seek NRA votes)

However, I have heard of a number of Dem candidates interacting with anti-war demonstrators like Code Pink.  See the difference?

Moreover, the ugly reality is that the anti-war left DOES do things that are criminal and even violent.  Pin it to Code Pink?  Maybe not yet, but the movement as a whole is involved in this sort of thing.

Bike Bubba on March 6, 2008 at 12:05 pm

Do you think he thnks similarly about Radio-show hosts who rail against other organizations like the ACLU? Nope.

Any bombings of the ACLU offices? Nope.  Any large groups of “demonstrators” threatening ACLU offices?  Nope.
Another faulty analogy from you.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Berzerkley brethren iza spreadin’.


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Anna on March 6, 2008 at 12:24 pm

Rob’s got a good concern in that the Democrats fostering of extremist attitudes may have contributed to the mindset that led to this atrocity.

However, a larger concern is has the Democrats actions of blocking surveillance of suspected terrorist directly contributed to this act.


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The Whistler on March 6, 2008 at 12:25 pm
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I think the recruiters planted the bomb. What better way to cause public outcry against the Librrruls? Watch this inspire Right-Wing wackjobs to take vengeance against the Librrruls and their beloved ACLU and Librrrul Media. Maybe some Right-Wing wackjob will take Ann The Man Coulter suggestion and bomb the New York Times.

AntiConservative on March 6, 2008 at 12:38 pm
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Another faulty analogy from you.

Uhh…dont think so pet.  Rob’s statement is suggesting that they should have never been condoned.  His argument is they were condoned, therefore this is their fault.

How could have Democrats have of avoided Rons scorn?  But having condemned Code Pink in the past. (see below)

Not because I think any mainstream Democrat politician condones bombing recruiting centers, but because they’ve condoned groups like Code Pink (remember Howard Dean and Jack Murtha posing for pictures with them?

I keep telling you Robert.  You aren’t smart enough to challenge me.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 12:41 pm
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Rob’s got a good concern in that the Democrats fostering of extremist attitudes may have contributed to the mindset that led to this atrocity.

Atrocity?  Isn’t this a little hyperbole.  Sure it is illegal, even a felony, but nobody was hurt.  The bomb was set to go off when nobody was there.  A strip mall got damaged.  That is not an atrocity.

Hawk on March 6, 2008 at 12:55 pm

I keep telling you Robert. You aren’t smart enough to challenge me.

Your faulty analogy was to compare conservative talk show hosts telling the truth about the ACLU to Code Pink advocating the destruction of Recruiting Centers.
It had nothing to do with anything Rob said.  You were wrong to make the comparison, and aren’t either intelligent or honest enough to admit your mistake.
To clarify for the retarded: While Code Pink and their violent “peace activist” compatriots have certainly advocated the destruction of recruiting centers, possibly leading to the bombing of the one in Times Square, no ACLU facilities have even been picketed, so the comparison is bunk.  Get it?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 12:55 pm

AntiConservative.  Are you seriously thinking this:  “I think the recruiters planted the bomb.”  is true?


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 12:56 pm
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conservative talk show hosts telling the truth about the ACLU

What is the truth about the ACLU? Does it only make sense to Right-Wing nutcases like yourself?

AntiConservative on March 6, 2008 at 12:58 pm
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AntiConservative.  Are you seriously thinking this:  “I think the recruiters planted the bomb.” is true?

Are you saying that the military isn’t smart enough to execute a “false flag” operation? Yeah, you might have a point there.

AntiConservative on March 6, 2008 at 01:03 pm

Anticonservative opines:

I think the recruiters planted the bomb.


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 01:04 pm

The ACLU was founded by a communist.  The ACLU is anti-American.  They work against laws.


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 01:09 pm
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It’s a conspiracy! I don’t doubt the courage and honor of our armed forces.

AntiConservative on March 6, 2008 at 01:11 pm

Anti-  I’m glad you don’t paint with that broad brush like other liberals I know.
If one person does something out of bounds and is disciplined, that is good.
Care to explain the killings of millions and millions of people by communists?

Bombings and killings by liberal hate groups?

Lies by people like Arafat?


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 01:14 pm

Anticonservative

We are not impressed.


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 01:17 pm

Anniversary?
BTW.. AntiConservative, there’s a lil’ ACLU knowledge in that link.


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Anna on March 6, 2008 at 01:18 pm
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Oh, Boo-fucking-hoo… An army recruiting station has to replace a WHOLE pane of glass! Wake us up when some real news happens. *yawn*

The ACLU defends gay republicans.

AntiConservative on March 6, 2008 at 01:19 pm

Anticonservative:

The Colonel’s got your number, and it’s 00100:


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 01:22 pm

Let’s try that again!

Still an accurate reflection of our level of respect and interest in anti and his opinions, mind you, but this is a more fitting send off with his number embedded:


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 01:24 pm

Oh, Boo-fucking-hoo… An army recruiting station has to replace a WHOLE pane of glass! Wake us up when some real news happens. *yawn

Maybe you should provide your home address and give permission for someone to place a bomb by your picture window, then, if it’s not a big deal to you.  Sauce for the goose, you know.

As a taxpayer, I’m a wee bit ticked.  Or do you like paying more taxes, and risking the health/life of those around, so nutcases like this can play their games?

Bike Bubba on March 6, 2008 at 01:30 pm

I think the recruiters planted the bomb.

Improper use of the word “think”.  With lefties, there’s not thinking involved.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 01:32 pm

The leftie response here at this blog:

Oh, Boo-fucking-hoo… An army recruiting station has to replace a WHOLE pane of glass! Wake us up when some real news happens. *yawn*

Just give them enough rope.

We need to get some smarter liberals around here because this is just pathetic anymore.

likwidshoe on March 6, 2008 at 01:59 pm
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Your faulty analogy was to compare conservative talk show hosts telling the truth about the ACLU to Code Pink advocating the destruction of Recruiting Centers.

Dude, youre wrong on so many levels here, not sure where to start.

1) I was comparing calling off dogs by disavowing groups who spew hateful rhetoric.  Referencing comment below.

...they’d call off the dogs by disavowing groups like Code Pink and people who spout their kind of hateful rhetoric. - ROB

2) Code pink doesn’t advocate the destruction of recruiting centers.  Do they?  If so, I would like to know.

3) Radio conservatives spew hateful rhetoric, about lots of things, not just the ACLU.

It had nothing to do with anything Rob said.  You were wrong to make the comparison, and aren’t either intelligent or honest enough to admit your mistake.

Haha.  Wow, you mean all of those references I provide where I quote Rob was just an illusion?

To clarify for the retarded: While Code Pink and their violent “peace activist” compatriots have certainly advocated the destruction of recruiting centers, possibly leading to the bombing of the one in Times Square, no ACLU facilities have even been picketed, so the comparison is bunk.  Get it?

Oh I get what YOU said, it’s you who doesn’t get what I said.

It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.  Neeeexxxt

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 02:01 pm

Times Square recruiting Station?
Round up the usual suspects

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WOOF on March 6, 2008 at 02:06 pm

Woof: Gay smear from a leftie; how typical.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 02:09 pm

Let’s not.

Wouldn’t want to make you cry.


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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 02:10 pm

H: You should consider something more productive than filling this blog with your nonsense.  You made a nonsensical comparison, and I exposed it.  You got schooled, as usual.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 02:12 pm

WOOF,


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 02:15 pm
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Woof: Evil Right-Wing fucks tried to blame gays for 9/11 so why not blame them for this little “false flag” operation that Cheif RZ claims is too “complex” for the military to execute.

AntiConservative on March 6, 2008 at 02:17 pm

AntioConservative: Maybe I am missing something here, but your thread would seem to suggest two things:

1.  Only a ‘right-wing’conservative would - or should - get upset at the bombing of a recruiting office. Why would that be? Are you suggesting that all other shades of the political spectrum regard this as no big deal? I hope not.

2.  The military unit operating the recruiting station might have staged the bombing for some nefarious purpose. And that would be?

Why do folks like you always denounce stereotypes and then immediately indulge in them by lumping all conservatives into some imaginary paramilitary, brainless mob of right-wing freaks?

Why do folks like you always resort to sarcasm: “boo hoo”, “a WHOLE pane of glass” and “real news”, instead of an intelligent discussion of why you believe this incident lacks relevance?


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pparets on March 6, 2008 at 02:22 pm
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We need to get some smarter liberals around here because this is just pathetic anymore.

We need to get some smarter conservatives around here because this is just pathetic.

Its always funny when someone who insults your intelligence makes grammatical errors in the process.  Nicely done Likwid.

Nobody condones this bombing.  Nobody knows who did it, yet.  The person responsible should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 02:23 pm

Anticonservative

Identified, stamped

and appropriately filed.


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 02:24 pm

Revenge of the
animal rights people
for the Marine puppy
toss atrocity?

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WOOF on March 6, 2008 at 02:25 pm

Hannitized done showed us his skillz again:


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 02:28 pm

AntiConservative - ...so why not blame them for this little “false flag” operation that Cheif RZ claims is too “complex” for the military to execute.

Where did he do that? You put it in quotes, so it should be no problem to show us where Chief RZ said that it was too “complex”.

You really are the anti-conservative. You’re not above lying about them.

likwidshoe on March 6, 2008 at 02:30 pm

WOOF,

There you go again…


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 02:31 pm

WOOF - Revenge of the
animal rights people

They’re doing their revenge by giving his family death threats.

likwidshoe on March 6, 2008 at 02:32 pm
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You made a nonsensical comparison, and I exposed it.  You got schooled, as usual.

If you believing that will make you stop talking nonsense, please enjoy your fantasy.

Reading comprehension Robby….it’s more than just letters put together to make words.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 02:33 pm

Hannitized knocks another slow pitch out of the park

...or, maybe not.  That’s gonna leave a mark.


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 02:37 pm
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Hannitized knocks another slow pitch out of the park

Ya see that Robby, Rodney thinks you’s a little slow.

I guess Rodney is still taking it personal that I caught him trying to lecture me about Zawahiri’s presence in Iraq.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 02:40 pm

Atrocity?  Isn’t this a little hyperbole.  Sure it is illegal, even a felony, but nobody was hurt.  The bomb was set to go off when nobody was there.  A strip mall got damaged.  That is not an atrocity.

We are once again privy to the logic of the jack-in-the-box that calls itself Hawk.

You see it’s proper in the delusional minds of these cowards, to burn down homes that don’t fit into their panoramic view of the environment. It is customary for them to scramble the brains of yet to be born infant due to own infantile reasoning and because it’s just darn inconvenient.

So certainly they see no dilemma in placing a little bomb in an office that houses those who are the bravest in our country. What’s the big deal?  Atrocity?

We can only hope that one day soon the a size eleven boot scrapes away the pebbles of their formicary and forces them to find another suitable habitat. A cave in Mesopotamia perhaps?


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 02:40 pm

likwidshoe.  I missed this: 

AntiConservative - ...so why not blame them for this little “false flag” operation that Cheif RZ claims is too “complex” for the military to execute.

Where did he do that? You put it in quotes, so it should be no problem to show us where Chief RZ said that it was too “complex”.

You really are the anti-conservative. You’re not above lying about them.

I do not think I used those terms.  Thanks for calling attention to this slight of hand.


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 02:41 pm

Ya see that Robby, Rodney thinks you’s a little slow.

Another nonsensical comparison from you.  Par for the course.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on March 6, 2008 at 02:54 pm

I think it’s sad that no liberals here are condemning it. All of them immediately switch topics:

H: Well, sure this is bad, but conservatives don’t make their radio stop talking in “hate speech” (i.e. stuff we don’t like to hear).

Woof: Must be the gays!

Anticon: They did it themselves. AND Bush is a terrorist!

Hawk: LIES! Code Pink hugs Puppies!

Socialist: What about Timothy McVeigh?

Pathetic.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on March 6, 2008 at 03:05 pm

Kenny,

They’re too busy defending Curious George to worry about a silly little thing like a bombing in a public building.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on March 6, 2008 at 03:35 pm
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So certainly they see no dilemma in placing a little bomb in an office that houses those who are the bravest in our country. What’s the big deal?  Atrocity?

Words actually mean something sometimes.  If you call this an atrocity it puts it on par with what is happening in Darfur, what happened on 9/11, the abuse of children, any number of things.  I don’t know of an atrocity where nobody got hurt.  It was a crime and not a particularly serious one.

Hawk on March 6, 2008 at 03:44 pm

Kenny,

For them to condemn this act would be to admit it’s wrong.

It’s obvious they find delight in this action.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 03:45 pm

Hannitezed offers:

Ya see that Robby, Rodney thinks you’s a little slow.

Quite a track record you have there:


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Rodney Graves on March 6, 2008 at 03:46 pm

It was a crime and not a particularly serious one.

Really?  Not so serious, huh?  Well, suppose you educate the rest of us as to just how many charges, federal and state, could be filed against the perpetrator here, and what sort of maximum sentence he, or she, could be facing when caught and convicted.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on March 6, 2008 at 03:50 pm

Words actually mean something sometimes.  If you call this an atrocity it puts it on par with what is happening in Darfur, what happened on 9/11, the abuse of children, any number of things.  I don’t know of an atrocity where nobody got hurt.  It was a crime and not a particularly serious one.

What? Darfur an atrocity?

You left out the time your barbie doll was crushed when you left it behind the wheel of your little red wagon.

Have your mommy look up the word for you.


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It was a crime and not a particularly serious one.

Hmmm! I don’t recall that being the reaction when individuals bombed empty abortion clinics!


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Hawk - If you call this an atrocity it puts it on par with what is happening in Darfur, what happened on 9/11, the abuse of children, any number of things.

Really? What dictionary are you using? It’s a simple word with a simple meaning.

It was a crime and not a particularly serious one.

That’s a typical attitude coming from a liberal. You guys don’t like the military so for you this bomb is not particularly serious.

Any wonder why Rob thought that the left probably did this? Well there you go.

likwidshoe on March 6, 2008 at 04:05 pm
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What? Darfur an atrocity?

You left out the time your barbie doll was crushed when you left it behind the wheel of your little red wagon.

Have your mommy look up the word for you.

I am glad that you think that property damage is worse than a tribal war where kids get there legs hacked off at the ankles.  Show a little bit of perspective. 

Really?  Not so serious, huh?  Well, suppose you educate the rest of us as to just how many charges, federal and state, could be filed against the perpetrator here, and what sort of maximum sentence he, or she, could be facing when caught and convicted.

Probably alot.  But I have dealt with murderers, rapists, child abusers and wife beaters.  I consider all of these more serious crimes, though often they will get lighter sentences.  NOBODY WAS HURT.  If fact this was scheduled to make sure nobody was hurt.  Was it offensive?  Sure.  But it was not an atrocity.

Hawk on March 6, 2008 at 04:07 pm

You see Bat; it’s the ambiguity of the word that is so complex to the weak minded.

Darfur is atrocious. The rape rooms and mass graves in Iraq are just unfortunate.

To ignore Darfur is a crime against humanity.
To interfere in Iraq is meddlin’ in someone else’s territory.

It’s all so clear.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 04:13 pm
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That’s a typical attitude coming from a liberal. You guys don’t like the military so for you this bomb is not particularly serious.

I actually served so don’t try this all liberals hate the military crap.

The military is not the conservatives personal plaything.

Hawk on March 6, 2008 at 04:21 pm

Hawk - I am glad that you think that property damage is worse than a tribal war where kids get there legs hacked off at the ankles.

Who thinks that? Can you link to it?

I actually served so don’t try this all liberals hate the military crap.

So? You advocate against the military every time the topic comes up.

The military is not the conservatives personal plaything.

“Personal plaything”? What?

likwidshoe on March 6, 2008 at 04:29 pm

The military is not the conservatives personal plaything.

No, indeed.  But it is conservatives who value the military for its proper role, that of destroyer of our nation’s enemies and guardian of our freedoms and our culture by the implicit threat of violent, deadly force.

“Meals on Wheels” was a Clintonian construct.


“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

Bat One on March 6, 2008 at 04:39 pm
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I think it’s sad that no liberals here are condemning it. All of them immediately switch topics:

The fact that you too lazy to find our quotes condemning the matter is not our fault.

What is really sad is the fact that not one republican has thought that this might be a terrorist act, you immediately jumped to accuse your fellow Americans.

Funny that.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 04:45 pm
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that of destroyer of our nation’s enemies and guardian of our freedoms and our culture by the implicit threat of violent,

Nonsense.  What freedoms of ours were we protecting when we invaded Iraq?

This is a typical point you see being made by the right, but it is untrue.  Our freedoms were never at risk before our invasion.  Poppycock.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 04:47 pm
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Words actually mean something sometimes.  If you call this an atrocity it puts it on par with what is happening in Darfur, what happened on 9/11, the abuse of children, any number of things.  I don’t know of an atrocity where nobody got hurt.  It was a crime and not a particularly serious one.

Keeping things in context is important.  Google Marine recruitment center bombing atroicty and see what comes up.  Then Google nazi atrocity, My Lai Massacre atrocity and see what comes up.

1The “My Lai massacre” doesn’t seem to be quite the monstrous atrocity that Americans were led to believe. An alternative to the standard ant-American story:

http://anotherwaronterrorblog.blogspot.com/

Dont let their dishonesty rub you Hawk.  They are being petty children.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 05:04 pm

What is really sad is the fact that not one republican has thought that this might be a terrorist act, you immediately jumped to accuse your fellow Americans.

It was a terrorist act…you imbecile.


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Keeping things in context is important.  Google…

Google gives your occurrences, not context. Maybe somebody will give you a dictionary on your next birthday?


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Here’s some “context” for you: I Googled “john wilkes toll booth” and got 70,500 hits!

Then, I Googled “Hannitized Kahuna” and got nine hits! (And only one of them was me!)


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Keeping things in context is important

Yeah. Let’s forget about this little incident.
I’m sure Fibonacci would find your reasoning intriguing.

The recreant crowd that you and hawk commune with would be more than happy to dismiss this as nothing more than a small matter. That someone could have died as a result is inconsequential.

Let’s all join hands and pray that we concentrate on really important problems.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 05:31 pm

Google gives your occurrences, not context. Maybe somebody will give you a dictionary on your next birthday?

proof, Is is too much to hope for…that there will be no next birthday.


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Sally: Be nice!


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Churchill said a man who isn’t a conservative by age thirty has no brain! This guy’s just ten years behind the curve! Maybe with a little remedial thinking?


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Proof on March 6, 2008 at 05:38 pm

If fact this was scheduled to make sure nobody was hurt.

A bit presumptive on your part, or have you never been to Times Square.

Interesting smidge of video shows that whoever this was did not show much prognosticative ability; it was blind luck no one was hurt.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 05:51 pm
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Google gives your occurrences, not context. Maybe somebody will give you a dictionary on your next birthday?

Fascinating.  I never said that it did.  Thats what periods are for.  What Google does do, is give you occurrences, as you stated above.  It gave no occurrences that show others using the word where it really doesn’t fit so well.

What I had asked was to merely search Google.  If you had done as asked you would see that not many people use the word as loosely as you are.

Hawk was right.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 06:01 pm

Churchill said a man who isn’t a conservative by age thirty has no brain! This guy’s just ten years behind the curve! Maybe with a little remedial thinking?

Now you’re being too kind.

Male menopause is a distant memory for him. Maybe Merle Haggard could rewrite his lyrics to conform to “sanitized” real age.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 06:02 pm
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It was a terrorist act…you imbecile.

What I meant was, that nobody suspected Islamic terrorists, our current enemies in the GWOT.

But if you think it was terrorism.  What is the change in government are they attempting influence?  Why not vandalism?

One 1988 study by the US Army found that over 100 definitions of the word “terrorism” have been used.[3] Acts of terrorism are not intended to merely victimize or eliminate those who are killed, injured or taken hostage but rather to intimidate and influence the societies to which they belong.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 06:06 pm

Anti-conservative.  You have had plenty of time to respond to this apparent lie about what I said.  I did not say this that likwidshoe caught:

AntiConservative - ...so why not blame them for this little “false flag” operation that Cheif RZ claims is too “complex” for the military to execute.

Where did he do that? You put it in quotes, so it should be no problem to show us where Chief RZ said that it was too “complex”.

You really are the anti-conservative. You’re not above lying about them.

I repeat——
I do not think I used those terms.  Anti-  I call on you to take back what you wrote, show where I did use the above words, or I will add you to my short list of people who lack integrity, fabricate words, and do not tell The Truth.


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 06:09 pm
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It was a terrorist act…you imbecile.

Terrorism: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

Vandalism: willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property

Um…right now it’s looking more like vandalism Kitten.  Talking politics doesn’t suit you.  Can you talk science again please?  It’s kinda hot.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 06:10 pm
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Google gives your occurrences, not context. Maybe somebody will give you a dictionary on your next birthd

ay?

Ha!  This from the man who said this earlier today:

A million and a half hits on Google for “Bush chimpanzee”, Two million for “Bush chimp”.
What was that you said, dipshit?

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/rush_limbaugh_caller_compares_obama_to_curious_george/P100/

Keep your story straight now.  I know keeping up with your dishonesty is hard, but that is ridiculous.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 06:18 pm

Hannitized.  I see that you have selectively chosen some definitions that suit your argument.  There are many for terrorism.  Here is a site you might want to look over.  I saw the exhibit at the Oklahoma National Museum a few years ago.
Terror in America 1776 to Today.  In my opinion, the bombing at the recruiting center today was an act of terror, and I believe than the US government will also.


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 06:20 pm

If you had done as asked you would see that not many people use the word as loosely as you are.

...as loosely as you do.

H,

Your magisterium would be unhappy with your construct.

Perhaps a less parochial education would have been more fitting for one of your class.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 06:24 pm
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Yeah. Let’s forget about this little incident.

Nobody is saying to forget about this hystericalpants.  I am simply saying that right now, it looks like felony vandalism.  No?

The recreant crowd that you and hawk commune with would be more than happy to dismiss this as nothing more than a small matter.

I would be careful about categorizing those you know nothing about. 

That someone could have died as a result is inconsequential.

Who said that?

Hell, I even think firecrackers are consequential.  Youre just being dippy.

http://www.unboundedmedicine.com/2006/03/20/do-not-explode-a-firecracker-in-your-hand-never/

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Google gives your occurrences, not context.

What a moron you are Han-job! I cited Google earlier exactly to show you the number of occurrences. You, used it to cite “context”. There is no “story” to keep straight. Google is a tool (coincidentally, so are YOU!) not a proof. It does not provide context. Thinking individuals search with Google, but need to be bright enough to sort the data to provide the context. You, apparently, are not. Pity.

If you are truly so retarded, or stupid or, as I suspect, intellectually dishonest enough that you do not know the difference, then quit wasting our time in this forum pretending you have something to say.
Back to the kiddie pool!


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Here is a copy of the bomber’s manifesto.  “We did it”.  I am sure there will be more information to come.


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Chief RZ on March 6, 2008 at 06:34 pm
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Hannitized.  I see that you have selectively chosen some definitions that suit your argument.  There are many for terrorism.

Chief,  I also provided a definition that said there are over 100 definitions for terrorism.  I believe the context I used is pretty reasonable. 

In my opinion, the bombing at the recruiting center today was an act of terror, and I believe than the US government will also.

I think it has a great chance of being an act of terror.  But in order for it to be termed terrorism, there should be some evidence that suggests someone was trying to coerce government or influence an outcome of a political dispute.  There is nothing to suggest this, yet. 

Also, this was done at 3:00am in the morning.  Hardly a time when people would be working or walking the streets.  I believe based on the evidence now, this would be felony vandalism.

But I think it was despicable and I condemn it because of the location that was targeted.  I think I am being more honest than most.

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 06:39 pm
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Your magisterium would be unhappy with your construct.

Perhaps a less parochial education would have been more fitting for one of your class.

See, that’s the language that makes me hungry.  Keep purring kitten.

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I can see where someone as unsophisticated and, well, (truth be told) as dim as Hannitized might mistake occurrences for context. If you Google:

“incredibly mind-numbingly stupid”

the description of Hannitized is #13!


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What I meant was, that nobody suspected Islamic terrorists, our current enemies in the GWOT.

Well…don’t I look foolish.

Of course, it’s so obvious. Islamic terrorists!!

Riding their bicycle over to the recruitment center to cause real havoc.

But if you think it was terrorism.  What is the change in government are they attempting influence?

Gee…If I just had your political savoir faire, I might be able to put my finger on it.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 06:45 pm

When I discussed the true political landscape with Balint Vazsonyi, he agreed that instead of the Left Wing / Right Wing dichotomy (itself a product of Leftist terminology and mindset) resting on opposite ends of a single-dimensional Political Spectrum, it was really Americans versus Socialists.

I have seen nothing since that discussion in the late 1990’s to prove this any different.

The earmark of the Left in America (since the phrase American Leftist is a contradiction in terms) is their utter contempt and hatred for America and its traditional institutions.

To that end they have worked with our enemies to undermine our defense, create and exploit divisions with our overseas allies and to destroy the moral fabric of America.

Let’s be a little more specific:

When Roger Baldwin founded the ACLU in 1920, Earl Browder, then General Secretary of the Communist Party, USA, referred to the ACLU as the “transmission belt” for Communist policy. Today Americans have lost sight of the fact that at one time the Communist Party was the world’s premier enemy of liberty.

It’s not just the ACLU… There’s also the Institute for Policy Studies, a Left-wing front group posing as a think tank.  According to the author, the IPS knowingly consorted with KGB officers during the Cold War and did such public service as disclosing the locations of allied nuclear warhead stockpiles.

Powell also explores IPS involvement in the peace movement. He cites IPS fellow Fred Halliday’s admission that much of the organization’s work has been “concerned with opposing and demystifying [the] claim . . . that there has been a fundamental shift in the balance between the East and the West over the past decade. . . .” IPS and its overseas arm, the Transnational Institute, maintain regular contact with Eastern European and Latin American Communists.

That Peace Movement, as it was euphamistically both here at home and overseas, was later exposed to be largely controlled and directed by the Central Committee of the Communist Party

Ponomarev’s First Deputy Chief is Vadim Zagladin, a member of the CPSU Central Committee. Because of its responsibility for dealing with Communist parties in non-Communist states, the International Department funnels its covert propaganda requirements through both the Communist parties themselves and, utilizing its International Organizations Section the various pro-Soviet international front organizations

While those who study covert Communist influence agree that the rank and file often have no direct knowledge of Soviet or Chi-Com direct contact, it is the very top (or cadre) of the Western leaderships who have the connections, while the mouth-breathing smellyhippy troops simply share the belief systems and are the willing stooges for violent demonstrations and terroristic acts.

One fine example of how a well-educated but Marxistically-deranged American took Socialist thinking to dangerous extremes is Theodore Kaczynski, who oddly enough, had Berkeley, California connections.  Even more coincidentally, when they inventoried his jam-packed cabin, they found a dog-earned, highlighted, underlined and handwritten-noted copy of Al Gore’s Earth in the Balance.

Kaczynski, it seems, is a major fan of author Gore. A heavily underlined copy of Earth in the Balance was found in his remote cabin. However, according to the American Spectator magazine, the title somehow disappeared in future official references to Kaczynski’s library, apparently “suppressed to avoid embarrassing Gore and the administration.” Sources tell Insight that the Dole and Clinton campaigns negotiated an agreement that put the Kaczynski obsession with Gore’s ideas on ecology off limits.


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Move_Zig on March 6, 2008 at 06:46 pm
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Of course, it’s so obvious. Islamic terrorists!!

Riding their bicycle over to the recruitment center to cause real havoc.

It’s as likely as anything else peaches.  You know this, quit teasing. 

Otherwise, I would have to assume that you don’t take Islamic terrorism seriously.  (smooch)

Hannitized on March 6, 2008 at 06:56 pm

I would be careful about categorizing those you know nothing about.

I am au courant when it pertains to the messianic yet ineffectual beliefs of you and you comrads.

Also, this was done at 3:00am in the morning.  Hardly a time when people would be working or walking the streets.  I believe based on the evidence now, this would be felony vandalism.

Apparently you missed the video, hoss.
And you, as hawk, must have missed the field trip to Times Square.


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laydownSally on March 6, 2008 at 06:58 pm

Hannitized.  Your words are logical.  Did you read the letter-link?  It appears that the bomber was trying to make a point, and it involves an attack on the USA and the defense department.  You sound like a lawyer (just an observation).  I do have a problem with certain people and courts attempting to circumvent justice and not allowing The Truth to be told, but that is another matter.  I take your words at face value and then suggest that we await further facts.


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